Trump Joins With Nancy and Chuck

[Kathianne]

I admit I'm a bit harried lately, lots on my plate. I try to stay abreast of the news, but it's mostly reading and filing it away in my head. Early this morning I was reading a few articles that were addressing the problems of debt ceiling, DACA, related comprehensive immigration laws, tax relief, and the ever present health care.

I saw the President's tweet on DACA and 'revisiting' and thought to myself, Wow! I mean who would have the attny general say it's 'unconstitutional, needs to come from legislation,' one day and have the President say, 'Get to work on it Congress!' Then, 'if there's no legislation in 6 months, I'll revisit it' the next?

Well Chuckie and Nancy got a win today and I won't be surprised if in December it turns into another.

Just watching Brit Hume on Tucker Carlson and he was as gobsmacked by it all as I was-though I'm betting he has a better handle on it all. Bottom line from him and Tucker agreed is that if President Trump is lucky at all, he might get some funding for more fencing, but the wall is going to be impossible now.

[hjmick]

There was never going to be a wall. Never.

What I find curious is the silence of our resident Trump sycophants with regard to the debt being tied to Harvey recovering spending, not to mention the short term of the debt limit extension... three months? Seriously? What about his willingness to "revisit" DACA in six months? After his attorney generals declares it unconstitutional and illegal?

Singing the praises of Nancy and Chuckie... he even let them make the announcement...

Well, he was a Democrat before he was a Republican... perhaps the zebra didn't change his stripes?

The silence of the President's rabid resident supporting members is deafening...

[Kathianne]

There was never going to be a wall. Never.

What I find curious is the silence of our resident Trump sycophants with regard to the debt being tied to Harvey recovering spending, not to mention the short term of the debt limit extension... three months? Seriously? What about his willingness to "revisit" DACA in six months? After his attorney generals declares it unconstitutional and illegal?

Singing the praises of Nancy and Chuckie... he even let them make the announcement...

Well, he was a Democrat before he was a Republican... perhaps the zebra didn't change his stripes?

The silence of the President's rabid resident members is deafening...

I just find it difficult to understand the reasoning of so many. He wasn't 'a politician' so he was the one to vote for. Some of what is going on may be blamed on just the fact that he while he has 'good instincts' for campaigning, he really doesn't seem to have gotten a handle on how to get things done in the political realm. He truly seems clueless about what it takes to get the votes he needs and gets very angry that his seeming inability to actually articulate what he wants from McConnell and Ryan keeps the circle of failure going.

Then there's the whole issue of badmouthing those he needs, whether the two aforementioned leaders of the party he chose to run on or just slamming any others that tick him off. Oh and on the next vote...

He may well be setting up a tremendous turnover in the House next year, then will come the fun with impeachment, just what the country needs. NOT. I don't see conviction, at least not so far, but like Clinton, good luck getting anything done.

All this 'winning' is getting more difficult to understand. He has so many things going for him, but in spite of that he seems determined to create the chaos. I just don't get it.

[Black Diamond]

there was never going to be a wall. Never.

What i find curious is the silence of our resident trump sycophants with regard to the debt being tied to harvey recovering spending, not to mention the short term of the debt limit extension... Three months? Seriously? What about his willingness to "revisit" daca in six months? After his attorney generals declares it unconstitutional and illegal?

Singing the praises of nancy and chuckie... He even let them make the announcement...

Well, he was a democrat before he was a republican... Perhaps the zebra didn't change his stripes?

The silence of the president's rabid resident members is deafening...
maga motherfucker.

[pete311]

Hey look, Trump does something right.

[Black Diamond]

Hey look, Trump doesn't something right.
Well as opposed to letting us default. I agree.

[Kathianne]

and with this, the 'leaks' start up again. No surprise.

Yes, the link is AP. Some will not like the unnamed sources, but the problems going on here are real. He questions why things 'aren't getting done,' the things he wants. He's actively politicking for the Democrats. Now, maybe he'll switch parties and it will work out, but it's not going to with the way things are going:

https://apnews.com/7452e3ba2a7a4eb1afddaf5422708e41/Trump-overrules-GOP-with-deal-on-spending,-debt,-Harvey-aid


By ERICA WERNER
1 hour ago


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump briskly overruled congressional Republicans and his own treasury secretary Wednesday to cut a deal with Democrats to keep the government operating and raise America’s debt limit. The immediate goal was ensuring money for hurricane relief, but in the process the president brazenly rolled his own party’s leaders.

In deal-making mode, Trump sided with the Democratic leaders — “Chuck and Nancy,” as he amiably referred later to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi — as they pushed for the three-month deal, brushing aside the urgings of GOP leaders and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin for a much longer extension to the debt limit. Republicans want that longer allowance to avoid having to take another vote on the politically toxic issue before the 2018 congressional elections.

The session painted a vivid portrait of discord at the highest ranks of the Republican Party. After an angry August that Trump spent lobbing attacks at fellow Republicans, specifically targeting Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for the failure of health care legislation, the president wasted little time once Congress came back this week in demonstrating his disdain for the GOP House and Senate leaders charged with shepherding his agenda into law.

At first, in Wednesday’s Oval Office meeting, the Republicans lobbied for an 18-month debt ceiling extension, then 12 months and then six, but Trump waved them off. As Mnuchin continued to press an economic argument in favor of a longer-term deal, Trump tired of it and cut him off mid-sentence.


At another point, the meeting totally lost focus when Ivanka Trump entered to raise an unrelated issue on child care tax credits. Details of the meeting were disclosed by several people briefed on the proceedings who spoke only on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly.


One photo taken through the window of the Oval Office showed an animated Schumer pointing his finger in Trump’s face as the president smiles with his hands on his fellow New Yorker’s arms.


After the meeting, Trump boarded a plane to North Dakota with Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp in an effort to garner bipartisan support for tax legislation that Republican leaders on Capitol Hill are crafting on a purely partisan basis. That continued the day of bizarre disconnects between the president and the leaders of his party.

Trump called Heitkamp to the stage at his Dakota event and praised her as a “good woman.” She will be running for re-election against a Republican in November 2018.


Heitkamp later issued a statement saying she needs to know more about Trump’s tax plan before offering her support.


Aboard Air Force One, Trump told reporters, “We had a very good meeting with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.” He didn’t mention Republicans McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan, who also had been present. “We agreed to a three-month extension on debt ceiling, which they consider to be sacred, very important.”


“I think the deal will be very good,” Trump added.


Barely an hour earlier, Ryan had slammed the Democrats’ demand for a three-month extension as “ridiculous and disgraceful.” He issued no public statement on the final deal.


McConnell, in his own reserved fashion, did not sugar-coat what happened when he addressed reporters a short time later.


“In the meeting down at the White House, as I indicated, the president agreed with Sen. Schumer and Congresswoman Pelosi to do a three-month CR and a debt ceiling into December, and that’s what I will be offering based on the president’s decision,” McConnell said. “CR” refers to a continuing resolution, which will extend existing government funding levels into mid-December, when the prospect of an enormous new round of deal-making now looms.


Asked whether he was surprised to see the president side with Democrats against his own party leadership, McConnell responded, “Look, the president can speak for himself, but his feeling was we needed to come together, not create a picture of divisiveness at a time of genuine national crisis, and that was the rationale.”


In fact, Trump achieved the opposite.


“The Pelosi-Schumer-Trump deal is bad,” Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., said over Twitter.


“Hopefully we’ll realize that negotiating with Democrats doesn’t normally produce outstanding results,” said Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina, chairman of the House Freedom Caucus.


Late Wednesday, with criticism pouring in from Republicans, Mnuchin himself made a rare appearance in the Air Force One press cabin, as the president traveled back to Washington from North Dakota, to defend the deal.


“Our No. 1 priority was getting money for Harvey. Let me very clear: That’s the president’s number one agenda and we accomplished that,” Mnuchin insisted.


Mnuchin also claimed several times that the president actually could have had a one-year package but didn’t want to lose the opportunity to raise military spending in new budget bills before then. Aides to Schumer and Pelosi responded with incredulous disbelief to this claim.


The outcome was especially striking coming just a day after Trump announced he would be dismantling immigration protections for younger immigrants. He gave Congress six months to come up with a solution. That announcement had infuriated Democrats, and was not cheered by many Republicans either, since among other things it gives them a politically explosive issue to resolve ahead of the midterm elections.


Taken together, Trump’s moves appeared to show little regard for the imperatives of his party leaders. And after the GOP’s failure to pass long-promised legislation to repeal and replace “Obamacare,” the events renewed questions about whether the party can summon the focus and unity to advance tax legislation, the next big item they want to tackle. However, White House officials argued that putting other issues off until December cleared the decks for tax talks.


The deal struck Wednesday at the White House promises to speed the $7.9 billion Hurricane Harvey aid bill, which passed the House overwhelmingly Wednesday, to Trump’s desk before disaster accounts run out later this week. The debt ceiling and government funding extensions will be attached.


The move also buys almost three months, until Dec. 15, for Washington to try to solve myriad other issues, including more funding for the military, immigration and health care, and a longer-term increase in the government’s borrowing authority to avoid a first-ever default. Adding the stopgap funding bill to the Harvey aid package would also immediately free about $7 billion in additional disaster funds.


Schumer was as pleased in the aftermath as McConnell was dour.


“The bottom line is, the president listened to the arguments,” Schumer said. “We think we made a very reasonable and strong argument. And, to his credit, he went with the better argument.”

[pete311]

Trump 2013: "The worst negotiators in history (otherwise known as Republicans) have just offered to suspend debt ceiling for four months. Pathetic!"
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/293817480131002368

[Black Diamond]

Trump 2013: "The worst negotiators in history (otherwise known as Republicans) have just offered to suspend debt ceiling for four months. Pathetic!"
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/293817480131002368
he should threaten to put ice picks in McCain's balls next time.

[Kathianne]

he should threaten to put ice picks in McCain's balls next time.

I'm not defending Pete in any way, he wants this president to fail, doesn't matter if the country suffers, they deserve it. That's liberal thinking.

Still, WTF does McCain or his balls or lack of them have to do with Trump's actions today?

[Black Diamond]

I'm not defending Pete in any way, he wants this president to fail, doesn't matter if the country suffers, they deserve it. That's liberal thinking.

Still, WTF does McCain or his balls or lack of them have to do with Trump's actions today?
In general, everything that is wrong is the President's fault. I've never understood that, but it's always been true except when Obama was President.

[Kathianne]

In general, everything that is wrong is the President's fault. I've never understood that, but it's always been true except when Obama was President.

McCain isn't president.

[Black Diamond]

McCain isn't president.And trump isn't King. As McCain gleefully demonstrated a few weeks ago. "Watch this"

[Kathianne]

And trump isn't King. As McCain gleefully demonstrated a few weeks ago. "Watch this"


I really am not getting any point here other than somehow Trump making a deal with Chuck and Nancy isn't on him, but McCain or someone/anyone else. He's not responsible for anything other than MAGA.

[Black Diamond]

I really am not getting any point here other than somehow Trump making a deal with Chuck and Nancy isn't on him, but McCain or someone/anyone else. He's not responsible for anything other than MAGA. Maybe you missed the fact i was having fun with Mick. as for pete, I was addressing the general idea that Trump is responsible for everything that happens. He should be able to force congress to do everything he wants because he's president. I disagree when people say he's responsible for, essentially, whipping votes.

and I am not about defaulting. Sorry.

[Kathianne]

Bipartisanship may have been a rousing success! Win! It's all in the optics!

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/350579-trump-open-to-obamacare-fix-lawmakers-say-after-meeting


Trump is 'open' to ObamaCare fix, lawmakers say

BY PETER SULLIVAN (http://thehill.com/author/peter-sullivan) - 09/13/17 07:26 PM EDT

...

The bipartisan group of lawmakers, known as the Problem Solvers, pitched Trump on their plan to stabilize ObamaCare markets.

"He was clearly open to it, intrigued," said Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), a co-chair of the group.

Gottheimer said there was some discussion of the possibility that Democrats could call the bill a "fix" and Republicans could call it something else.

"I'll call it a fix, others will call it what they want, but it matters less about what you call it than actually what it is," Gottheimer said. "He was very intrigued by that."

...

[pete311]

What could be happening is Trump will concede on DACA for promises on his tax reform, which is really what he wants most of all, he's a business man. Brietbart seems to be melting down and nutjobs like Ingraham and Coulter, but this is what a deal maker does. You can't get everything you want and you focus on what is most important to you.

[Kathianne]

Redefining the 'wall!'

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908274366739345409?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built. 3:20 AM - 14 Sep 2017

[Kathianne]

I'm sure we'll be getting more details on BIG border security:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908278070611779585



Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
..They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security

3:35 AM - 14 Sep 2017

[Kathianne]

One person isn't crazy about all the love:



Ann Coulter
✔@AnnCoulter (https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter)

At this point, who DOESN'T want Trump impeached? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908278070611779585 … (https://t.co/g1mMhmm8ng)
4:05 AM - Sep 14, 2017 (https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/908285561194078208)

[Kathianne]

As he was leaving for FL inspection, he responded, "The wall will come later."

Kind of undermines the, 'Continuing to be built,' earlier tweet. But no doubt!

[pete311]

As he was leaving for FL inspection, he responded, "The wall will come later."

Kind of undermines the, 'Continuing to be built,' earlier tweet. But no doubt!

I think he means "new wall". Old wall is being renovated.

[Kathianne]

I think he means "new wall". Old wall is being renovated.

Read his tweets.

[jimnyc]

As he was leaving for FL inspection, he responded, "The wall will come later."

Kind of undermines the, 'Continuing to be built,' earlier tweet. But no doubt!

Context is everything. He was speaking of "later" as in the wall wouldn't be a part of the dreamers deal. That it would likely be 2 different things.

[jimnyc]

What could be happening is Trump will concede on DACA for promises on his tax reform, which is really what he wants most of all, he's a business man. Brietbart seems to be melting down and nutjobs like Ingraham and Coulter, but this is what a deal maker does. You can't get everything you want and you focus on what is most important to you.

He's a full blown liberal, and it's now time to come out of his hidden horse and surprise the world. :rolleyes: