It's Not Just The Press Distancing From Antifa

[Kathianne]

One problem for both parties, though many in both have refused to see the problem at least up to now. Lord knows I've seen the Berkeley video just here I don't know how many times since last week. So have Democrat leadership. Now along with WaPo, (saying they aren't 'anti-fascists), even a few articles in NYT, Pelosi has now called for arrests of the group, making as clear as she can that they aren't "Democrats." She also borrowed from WaPo saying they ARE fascists.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/31/pelosi-on-violent-antifa-members-lock-them-up.html




Pelosi on violent Antifa members: Lock them up




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In addition, Pelosi told the Denver Post’s editorial board: “You’re not talking about the far left of the Democratic Party — they’re not even Democrats. A lot of them are socialists or anarchists or whatever.”

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Berkeley's mayor, Jesse Arreguin, had previously spoken out against Antifa, saying the group should be classified "as a gang." ...

Her problem, like those on the right, is identity politics- 'you're either one or the other...'

The mayor's problem is that he's been arguing that speakers from the 'Right' should not be permitted at U of C-Berkeley, because antifa will respond, effectively arguing for a 'protesters' veto.'

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The left ignored ANTIFA and gave them a pass because they were doing their dirty work, right up until it looked like they weren't going to be able control what people saw online and began to wonder, why was the left PROTECTING these thugs.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

But in very rare cases, the left will eat their own to protect the hive.

[Kathianne]

When a country is 'dividing' there's no middle. It's chosen for you. You're 'right' or 'left.'

Politically the only choice is to leave the parties, but those that know you are going to place you on the ends.

There's no doubt that the GOP is now associated with the KKK, neo-Nazis, and other extreme 'right' groups. They too would go violent if allowed, which for some reason the police don't stop from happening.

The DNC is going to be stuck with their 'antifa' type of groups, 'BLM', 'Occupy Wall Street, (that seems to have become antifa), etc. These groups go for violence if their threat of appearing isn't enough to keep the other side from showing up.

Those who want to disown hatred based politics? Disengage or at minimum leave the 'organizations' providing cover at the least and subtly encouraging the identification, if only in slamming the other side.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Hmmm... weird.. since the democrats started the KKK, and still use identity politics as one of their favorite tools always screaming racist, that's who I associate them with.

And Dem Sen Robert KKK Byrd comes to mind too.

[Kathianne]

Hmmm... weird.. since the democrats started the KKK, and still use identity politics as one of their favorite tools always screaming racist, that's who I associate them with.

And Dem Sen Robert KKK Byrd comes to mind too.

That worked, when it was true. New embraces and new associations. It's been threatening for awhile, now it's in force. One thing can be said, the 'right' is not static. It changed rapidly and thoroughly.

The left 'drifted,' to its present place, it still is.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

That worked, when it was true. New embraces and new associations. It's been threatening for awhile, now it's in force. One thing can be said, the 'right' is not static. It changed rapidly and thoroughly.

The left 'drifted,' to its present place, it still is.
Well, it's always the left that likes to play these identity games, not the right.

And the left has changed more than the right in the last ten years. With the advent of a radical leftist president for 8 years, the left just went wild. They were able to push their agenda forward at an incredible rate and had the democrat propaganda machine running cover for them facilitating such.

But now that the country has started a push back, we're seeing what the left is truly made of, and it ain't pretty... anarchists, bigots, fascists, partisan hacks and assorted other radical groups that prefer violence to free speech. What it boils down to is, the left doesn't like this push back, they don't want to lose any ground they've gained, so now we see how they intend to hang onto it... violence.

[Kathianne]

Well, it's always the left that likes to play these identity games, not the right.

And the left has changed more than the right in the last ten years. With the advent of a radical leftist president for 8 years, the left just went wild. They were able to push their agenda forward at an incredible rate and had the democrat propaganda machine running cover for them facilitating such.

But now that the country has started a push back, we're seeing what the left is truly made of, and it ain't pretty... anarchists, bigots, fascists, partisan hacks and assorted other radical groups that prefer violence to free speech. What it boils down to is, the left doesn't like this push back, they don't want to lose any ground they've gained, so now we see how they intend to hang onto it... violence.

Hmm, maybe you haven't noticed how those not in agreement with the past election have been 'unwelcomed' and called, 'leftists', 'obstructionists,' etc.

How long the new grip on the GOP will last is worth wondering. I figure it's now permanent, the 'extreme' is now part and parcel. I do think the left is going to find themselves with the same type of problem with their extreme. Indeed, the left has been influencing heavily on the leftist positions for a long while now. This with the right is not yet in any way part of their positions, but it's still influencing where things are going.

The identities that have now formed, angry right and angry left, give some hope a new way will emerge.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Hmm, maybe you haven't noticed how those not in agreement with the past election have been 'unwelcomed' and called, 'leftists', 'obstructionists,' etc.
"RESIST"


How long the new grip on the GOP will last is worth wondering. I figure it's now permanent, the 'extreme' is now part and parcel. I do think the left is going to find themselves with the same type of problem with their extreme. Indeed, the left has been influencing heavily on the leftist positions for a long while now. This with the right is not yet in any way part of their positions, but it's still influencing where things are going.

The identities that have now formed, angry right and angry left, give some hope a new way will emerge.
The republicans are a bunch of gutless wonders. The are scared out of their minds that the leftist press will descend upon them and treat them the way president Trump is being treated, so all in all, they're actually pretty damn worthless. They have the opportunity of a LIFE TIME, right now, and what are they doing with it? NOTHING. I couldn't be more disgusted with republicans if I tried, and I'm real glad that about 9 years ago I registered as an independent. The republicans never have found their spine. They never fight back. They either tuck tail and run or pander. I wish ta' hell the republicans had HALF the fight in them that the democrats have. This country just might get back to being a little more normal.

If I miss my guess, it's going to be a blood bath for republicans next year... unless they grow a pair and get some serious stuff done before those midterms. And I'm not saying they'll be replaced with dems either, I'm saying they'll be replaced by new conservative challengers. Look at Flake, he's toast, and my bet is he's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Gunny]

Hmmm... weird.. since the democrats started the KKK, and still use identity politics as one of their favorite tools always screaming racist, that's who I associate them with.

And Dem Sen Robert KKK Byrd comes to mind too.The Democratic Party did NOT start the KKK. The Republican Party under Lincoln was the progressives of their day, and the Democrats were conservative. The KKK was started by Nathan Bedford Forrest, a disenfranchised Southern gentleman who still had means. It was more of a fraternal order than anything else. When it devolved into "Night Riders" and the more radical elements began taking over, Forrest disbanded the original Klan. The hangers-on and more radical types kept the name.

The Klan became associated with Democrats when the Dixiecrats took over after reconstruction. Lost in revisionist history is the fact that EVERYONE was racist back then. The US had several hiccups over the issue of race during the Civil War, and most did in fact not believe blacks were equal to whites. Slavery remained alive and well in North long after the Civil War was over. It was called "industry"and working to death for pennies and no means of escaping the company store except jail or running.

Byrd, like most people from earlier periods are judged by today's standard. Well, Byrd wasn't judged by the Democrats but Trent Lott sure was.

Take it with a grain of salt. The AntiFa folks calling others racists and fascists and Nazi's are in fact the fascists and Nazi's. You can only be so stupid as to be something and claim to be the opposite.

[michiganFats]

One problem for both parties, though many in both have refused to see the problem at least up to now. Lord knows I've seen the Berkeley video just here I don't know how many times since last week. So have Democrat leadership. Now along with WaPo, (saying they aren't 'anti-fascists), even a few articles in NYT, Pelosi has now called for arrests of the group, making as clear as she can that they aren't "Democrats." She also borrowed from WaPo saying they ARE fascists.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/31/pelosi-on-violent-antifa-members-lock-them-up.html





Her problem, like those on the right, is identity politics- 'you're either one or the other...'

The mayor's problem is that he's been arguing that speakers from the 'Right' should not be permitted at U of C-Berkeley, because antifa will respond, effectively arguing for a 'protesters' veto.'

By making this post the way you made it you're just as bad as they are. I think antifa should be tracked like dogs and shot. What do you think?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The Democratic Party did NOT start the KKK.
There's lots of articles and info on the internet that states othewise, Gunny so... what's a person to believe?

I guess read it all and make up your own mind.

[aboutime]

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kkk-founded
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In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.

Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans andwhite Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests. In 1882, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the Ku Klux Act unconstitutional, but by that time Reconstruction had ended and the KKK had faded away.

The 20th century witnessed two revivals of the KKK: one in response to immigration in the 1910s and ’20s, and another in response to the African American civil rights movement of the 1950s and ’60s.
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In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.

Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans andwhite Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests. In 1882, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the Ku Klux Act unconstitutional, but by that time Reconstruction had ended and the KKK had faded away.

The 20th century witnessed two revivals of the KKK: one in response to immigration in the 1910s and ’20s, and another in response to the African American civil rights movement of the 1950s and ’60s.
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So something that happened in 1865 by your own post matters now?

How are you any different than people who want to tear down confederate statues?

[aboutime]

So something that happened in 1865 by your own post matters now?

How are you any different than people who want to tear down confederate statues?


WTF are you talking about? I wasn't posting that info for you. Gunny said the Dems didn't start the KKK. So, like an intelligent person; I gave him the info I had showing it wasn't Repubs, since they were attacked by the KKK.

As for the statue question. Mind your own f'n business. I didn't say anything that condoned the KKK, or the confederacy, and I DO disagree with tearing them down, destroying our nation's History....WON'T MAKE IT GO AWAY.

I have no idea why you have such a HUGE chip on your shoulder here. But somebody should find out why you think you are God's Gift to Smelly Garbage.