TRUMP tells Mattis to indefinitely ban transgender recruits

[jimnyc]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Donald Trump on Friday directed the Pentagon to extend indefinitely a ban on transgender individuals joining the military, but he appeared to leave open the possibility of allowing some already in uniform to remain.

Trump gave Defense Secretary Jim Mattis authority to decide the matter of openly transgender individuals already serving, and he said that until the Pentagon chief makes that decision, "no action may be taken against" them.

The Obama administration in June 2016 had changed longstanding policy, declaring that troops could serve openly as transgender individuals. And it set a July 2017 deadline for determining whether transgender people could be allowed to enter the military. Mattis delayed that to Jan. 1, 2018, and Trump has now instructed Mattis to extend it indefinitely.

But on the question of what will happen to those transgender individuals who already are serving openly - estimated to number in the low hundreds - Trump seemed to leave wiggle room for exceptions. A White House official who briefed reporters on the presidential order would not say whether Trump would permit any exceptions.

That official, who spoke on condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the White House, said Mattis has been directed to take a number of factors into consideration in determining how to deal with transgender individuals already serving. Those factors are to include broad measures such as "military effectiveness," budgetary constraints and "unit cohesion," as well as other factors Mattis deems "relevant." It was not clear whether that means it is possible for Mattis to come to the conclusion that some transgender troops should be allowed to remain.

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Carl Tobias, a legal expert at the University of Richmond's School of Law, said he interprets the Trump directive as leaving open the chance for some transgender servicemembers to stay.

"Trump seems to be granting Mattis discretion to decide which currently serving transgender people can continue to serve," Tobias said via email. "It appears that Mattis has discretion substantively and procedurally."

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[High_Plains_Drifter]

Good for president Trump.

Never should have allowed them in the first place.

Never should have done away with DADT.

This is why we have to deal with it now...

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[michiganFats]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Donald Trump on Friday directed the Pentagon to extend indefinitely a ban on transgender individuals joining the military, but he appeared to leave open the possibility of allowing some already in uniform to remain.

Trump gave Defense Secretary Jim Mattis authority to decide the matter of openly transgender individuals already serving, and he said that until the Pentagon chief makes that decision, "no action may be taken against" them.

The Obama administration in June 2016 had changed longstanding policy, declaring that troops could serve openly as transgender individuals. And it set a July 2017 deadline for determining whether transgender people could be allowed to enter the military. Mattis delayed that to Jan. 1, 2018, and Trump has now instructed Mattis to extend it indefinitely.

But on the question of what will happen to those transgender individuals who already are serving openly - estimated to number in the low hundreds - Trump seemed to leave wiggle room for exceptions. A White House official who briefed reporters on the presidential order would not say whether Trump would permit any exceptions.

That official, who spoke on condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the White House, said Mattis has been directed to take a number of factors into consideration in determining how to deal with transgender individuals already serving. Those factors are to include broad measures such as "military effectiveness," budgetary constraints and "unit cohesion," as well as other factors Mattis deems "relevant." It was not clear whether that means it is possible for Mattis to come to the conclusion that some transgender troops should be allowed to remain.

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Carl Tobias, a legal expert at the University of Richmond's School of Law, said he interprets the Trump directive as leaving open the chance for some transgender servicemembers to stay.

"Trump seems to be granting Mattis discretion to decide which currently serving transgender people can continue to serve," Tobias said via email. "It appears that Mattis has discretion substantively and procedurally."

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This quote sums it up for me:


Among those who have cheered Trump's tweet, Elaine Donnelly said the president is halting "a massive social experiment."

That's all this was, yet another social experiment using the military as a laboratory. It never should have happened to begin with.

[pete311]

Mattis freezes Trump’s ban on transgender troops, calls for more study
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/08/29/pentagon-chief-mattis-freezes-trumps-ban-on-transgender-troops-calls-for-more-study/?utm_term=.beb2fb5b8e44

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Mattis freezes Trump’s ban on transgender troops, calls for more study
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/08/29/pentagon-chief-mattis-freezes-trumps-ban-on-transgender-troops-calls-for-more-study/?utm_term=.beb2fb5b8e44
Fake news... shocker... it's the washpo.

Here we go again, the way these leftist propaganda ass clowns write the story, especially the headline, they'd have you believe Mattis is in OPEN DEFIANCE of President Trump, when nothing could be further from the truth. First and foremost, Mattis takes orders from the president, not the other way around. If President Trump says no more perverts in the military, then Mattis follows orders or he's fired, simple as that. He doesn't say NO and put a halt to an order from the president.

But all you have to do is read a little further in these left wing, democrat propaganda articles and sooner or later they'll reveal the truth, somewhere near the end, hoping you didn't read that far, hoping you just read the headline and the first couple lines, and then copied and pasted their garbage to some message board... ahem... but the TRUTH is... and this is what it says...


"Trump's order by tweet on July 26 caught the Pentagon by surprise. The tweets said there was no room in the ranks for transgender troops and that the government would no longer pay for their medical treatment.
Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, responded by saying that the Pentagon would not change its policy until it was notified officially by the White House.
The president issued that notification Friday night. It directed Mattis to study the issue and determine how to implement Trump's direction.




Did you get the last line? Isn't that what Mattis said he's going to do? Isn't that exactly what president Trump TOLD HIM TO DO? Mattis isn't "FREEZING" anything, not to mention he doesn't have the AUTHORITY to OVERRIDE the PRESIDENT. But the way they write the article, that's NOT what they want you to think. These democrat propaganda outlets are just lying filth. They truly earn the moniker... FAKE NEWS.

[pete311]

Fake news... shocker... it's the washpo.

PRESIDENT Trump decides that, not Mattis, end of story.

And if Mattis thinks he's going to override the president, he'll be the next one that's fired.

You're claiming this is fake news?
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1294351/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-jim-mattis-on-military-service-by-transgender/

Really?

Let's see what Trump does. I bet on him not challenging Mattis.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You're claiming this is fake news?
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1294351/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-jim-mattis-on-military-service-by-transgender/

Really?

Let's see what Trump does. I bet on him not challenging Mattis.
Yes, the prior article you linked to was fake news.

I don't know what part of "Mattis takes orders from the president" that you're missing.

Now from this new link, I don't know why this isn't sinking in...


The department will carry out the president’s policy direction,

[pete311]

Yes, the prior article you linked to was fake news.

I don't know what part of "Mattis takes orders from the president" that you're missing.

Now from this new link, I don't know why this isn't sinking in...

Maybe you missed this part
"In the interim, current policy with respect to currently serving members will remain in place." aka a freeze

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Maybe you missed this part
"In the interim, current policy with respect to currently serving members will remain in place." aka a freeze
See, because you read that fake news pap is why you're so confused. The writers make it APPEAR that Mattis put a FREEZE on kicking the perverts out, when nothing could be FURTHER from the TRUTH. The truth is, he was TOLD to STUDY how BEST to get RID of the perverts, and then IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN, PERIOD. Your quoting GARBAGE from the WASHPO FAKE NEWS.

The second link you provided ISN'T washpo leftist written garbage and explains it perfectly. If you READ THAT, you SHOULD understand what's going on without the CRAP written into the story by the DEMOCRAT PROPAGANDA HACKS at the washpo.

Again...


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... Mattis has no choice. He takes orders from the president, period, and what the president has said is, NO TRANNY BOYS, and find out best how to SEPARATE THEM, and that's EXACTLY what they're doing. They're figuring out how to most PAINLESSLY throw them out, but they WILL be THROWN OUT, and, NO MORE are being allowed to join.

Is any of this still confusing to you?

[pete311]

See, because you read that fake news pap is why you're so confused. The writers make it APPEAR that Mattis put a FREEZE on kicking the perverts out, when nothing could be FURTHER from the TRUTH. The truth is, he was TOLD to STUDY how BEST to get RID of the perverts, and then IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN, PERIOD. Your quoting GARBAGE from the WASHPO FAKE NEWS.

The second link you provided ISN'T washpo leftist written garbage and explains it perfectly. If you READ THAT, you SHOULD understand what's going on without the CRAP written into the story by the DEMOCRAT PROPAGANDA HACKS at the washpo.

Again...



... Mattis has no choice. He takes orders from the president, period, and what the president has said is, NO TRANNY BOYS, and find out best how to SEPARATE THEM, and that's EXACTLY what they're doing. They're figuring out how to most PAINLESSLY throw them out, but they WILL be THROWN OUT, and, NO MORE are being allowed to join.

Is any of this still confusing to you?


Nope you're wrong, he was clearly ordered by Trump to kick out existing transgender in the military. Mattis is saying, no, we'll not kick them out and instead do a study to see if your order makes sense.

"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"

Is any of this still confusing to you?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Nope you're wrong, he was clearly ordered by Trump to kick out existing transgender in the military. Mattis is saying, no, we'll not kick them out and instead do a study to see if your order makes sense.

"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"

Is any of this still confusing to you?
But the OFFICIAL ORDER wasn't issued until FRIDAY, and IN that order is the directive to study how to best separate them, which means don't do anything until we know how best to go about getting the job done, and that came FROM the PRESIDENT in his OFFICIAL DIRECTIVE, but the tranny boys WILL get booted.

Mattis didn't put a FREEZE on ANYTHING, that came directly from the president, but the LYING FAKE NEWS WASHPO wants to make it SOUND like Mattis did. That's why we call them FAKE NEWS... they DECEIVE.

Is any of that still confusing to you?

[pete311]

But the OFFICIAL ORDER wasn't issued until FRIDAY, and IN that order is the directive to study how to best separate them, which means don't do anything until we know how best to go about getting the job done, and that came FROM the PRESIDENT in his OFFICIAL DIRECTIVE, but the tranny boys WILL get booted.

Mattis didn't put a FREEZE on ANYTHING, that came directly from the president, but the LYING FAKE NEWS WASHPO wants to make it SOUND like Mattis did. That's why we call them FAKE NEWS... they DECEIVE.

Is any of that still confusing to you?

fyi, the white house has made clear that Trump's tweets are official statements

[High_Plains_Drifter]

fyi, the white house has made clear that Trump's tweets are official statements
Link?

[pete311]

Link?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-s-tweets-official-statements-spicer-says-n768931

[jimnyc]

It was stated from day one that there was an indefinite ban on incoming transgender folks but perhaps the door remained open for those already in uniform to remain. Nothing has changed. There was never a firm plan in place to remove anyone from service that was already there. May not be "fake news" but it's sure not anything new.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-s-tweets-official-statements-spicer-says-n768931

An tweet on twitter being called an official statement is subjective by definition.

A written PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE is NOT.

[aboutime]

Sounds like petey is angry he won't be able to join the military...CLINGER-LIKE anymore!

Hang in there petey. The LGBTQ gang will love ya!<img src="https://www.si.com/sites/default/files/2013/12/nfl_dragqueens_09.jpg">

[Black Diamond]

Sounds like petey is angry he won't be able to join the military...CLINGER-LIKE anymore!

Hang in there petey. The LGBTQ gang will love ya!https://www.si.com/sites/default/files/2013/12/nfl_dragqueens_09.jpg
Two hand touch is in the future.

[Gunny]

Real simple. There are hundreds of ways to get rid of people in the military. "It" would NOT be in my unit. Normal troops have enough problems without this crap. I'm supposed to trust a Marine's observation and judgement when he can't look down and see a dick and know it's a dick?

No thanks.

[Black Diamond]

Real simple. There are hundreds of ways to get rid of people in the military. "It" would NOT be in my unit. Normal troops have enough problems without this crap. I'm supposed to trust a Marine's observation and judgement when he can't look down and see a dick and know it's a dick?

No thanks.
Imagine the drill instructors job in 20 years. What's your major malfunction numb... What do you have again down there ?

[Gunny]

Imagine the drill instructors job in 20 years. What's your major malfunction numb... What do you have again down there ?Good point (I know it was an accident :) )

What DO you do with an "it" recruit? Male or female recruit training battalion? Male or female Drill Instructor? You could just trust THAT "it" would never survive MY platoon.

[Black Diamond]

Good point (I know it was an accident :) )

What DO you do with an "it" recruit? Male or female recruit training battalion? Male or female Drill Instructor? You could just trust THAT "it" would never survive MY platoon.
We are looking for a few good its.

[Black Diamond]

Good point (I know it was an accident :) )

What DO you do with an "it" recruit? Male or female recruit training battalion? Male or female Drill Instructor? You could just trust THAT "it" would never survive MY platoon.
Seriously I don't think men and women should serve together in the same unit. Why? They work closely together, rely on each other, go through stress, save each other's lives and sex happens. That's why I'm against gays in the military. Nowhere to put them.

[Gunny]

We are looking for a few good its.Segregate the military again? I'll be blunt. You put a female regardless what it wants to be in a platoon of 80 horny-ass 20-years-old male recruits not confused about what that knee-knocker is used for, and isolate them otherwise from most personal contact with others and you're just asking for it. Chaos.

And those males don't give a damn. I've watched them trail the ugliest, KNOWN lesbians around the catwalk for hours after about 30 days out of port. They're going to be distracted, and they're going to try. Biology trumps insane rules.

You sew a dick on a chick and it's going to be fighting all the time, and none of the males will want it anywhere near them. Their purpose as a female is gone, and they won't be accepted as a male.

Pete ain't got to like the answer, but tough shit. It's hard enough to herd privates without trying to tell the horndogs that chick ain't really a chick.

[aboutime]

I can finally admit something I intentionally never wanted to talk about because I had many friends in the Military, and still do, who were females. Unlike the younger set that was entering the military just for educational purposes. WE LEARNED rather quickly, on the Very First Amphibious Platform to have Female sailors...that most of them were hard workers, and sharp militarily. But...many of them learned, rather quickly, going to sea wasn't like being on a DISNEY cruise ship, where life is happy all the time.
Once many of the females found out they actually had to WORK at their rate, on deck, or in administrative jobs. The hours of rotation, lack of sleep, lining up for food, and not having the luxury of stopping because they were tired, or couldn't compete with the stronger male sailors; they soon found that becoming FRIENDS with the opposite sex had it's rewards, when it came to having excuses...rolling eyes, crying, and convincing the dummy males WHO THOUGHT WITH THE WRONG HEAD, that they just couldn't do the job the same because...They were Weaker.
In the end. We learned that depending on certain females to be on time, do their job, and not having constant (physical) excuses (monthly), made having certain females unreliable. THEN...add another aspect. That of being female, and black. Sorry to say it, but I had females working for me...who tried to accuse me, and one even tried to get me charged with Harassment, of Favoritism because I asked her to do work SHE demanded...was for men. She brought charges against me with the Command Master Chief, telling him I was being racist for picking on her...because she was female, and black.
Fortunately; the master chief saw through her excuses because she had done the same thing at her last command...ASHORE, and failed then, and busted down One rank.
I have to agree with all of the Veterans here who say...THEY DON'T BELONG mixed with Males on the battlefield, or on a ship...for six, to nine months where the possibilities of losing female sailors to the MATERNITY ward are great.
JUST MY OPINION, BASED ON REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE.

[Gunny]

I can finally admit something I intentionally never wanted to talk about because I had many friends in the Military, and still do, who were females. Unlike the younger set that was entering the military just for educational purposes. WE LEARNED rather quickly, on the Very First Amphibious Platform to have Female sailors...that most of them were hard workers, and sharp militarily. But...many of them learned, rather quickly, going to sea wasn't like being on a DISNEY cruise ship, where life is happy all the time.
Once many of the females found out they actually had to WORK at their rate, on deck, or in administrative jobs. The hours of rotation, lack of sleep, lining up for food, and not having the luxury of stopping because they were tired, or couldn't compete with the stronger male sailors; they soon found that becoming FRIENDS with the opposite sex had it's rewards, when it came to having excuses...rolling eyes, crying, and convincing the dummy males WHO THOUGHT WITH THE WRONG HEAD, that they just couldn't do the job the same because...They were Weaker.
In the end. We learned that depending on certain females to be on time, do their job, and not having constant (physical) excuses (monthly), made having certain females unreliable. THEN...add another aspect. That of being female, and black. Sorry to say it, but I had females working for me...who tried to accuse me, and one even tried to get me charged with Harassment, of Favoritism because I asked her to do work SHE demanded...was for men. She brought charges against me with the Command Master Chief, telling him I was being racist for picking on her...because she was female, and black.
Fortunately; the master chief saw through her excuses because she had done the same thing at her last command...ASHORE, and failed then, and busted down One rank.
I have to agree with all of the Veterans here who say...THEY DON'T BELONG mixed with Males on the battlefield, or on a ship...for six, to nine months where the possibilities of losing female sailors to the MATERNITY ward are great.
JUST MY OPINION, BASED ON REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE.Seen all of that. Hell, I was married to a WM for 13 years. She'd tell me all the tricks and BS her friends pulled. Used to watch them aboard ship as well. They pulled the same exact crap as the female Sailors. My Marines trailing around behind them sniffing the air and walking blindly along, in love of course. Until we got port anyway :laugh:.

So THAT's not good enough. Now they want to enter a 3rd gender that isn't even a real gender into the usual mix. No thanks.

[aboutime]

Seen all of that. Hell, I was married to a WM for 13 years. She'd tell me all the tricks and BS her friends pulled. Used to watch them aboard ship as well. They pulled the same exact crap as the female Sailors. My Marines trailing around behind them sniffing the air and walking blindly along, in love of course. Until we got port anyway :laugh:.

So THAT's not good enough. Now they want to enter a 3rd gender that isn't even a real gender into the usual mix. No thanks.


Gunny. Just wait till both of us get yelled at here for telling the truth. I know some things are hard to accept...The Truth Always Is. I'm gettin' too old to worry about being called a racist, or chauvinist piggy. One more thing. The REAL WOMEN know the truth, and would never put themselves in that position. Which is why I had to mention the females I respected for being able to do their jobs without complaining.
Thought I'd show everyone what ALL OF US who were, or are in the military face today.

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