First MUSLIM Governor?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Guarantee, the first thing this sons a bitch would want to do is put sharia law in place, that's what muslims do, take over, they've been doing it for 1,400 years. They're not here to ASSIMILATE, they're here to "CHANGE" America, to TAKE it OVER, same as obama tried to do... and when they finally have sufficient numbers, if Americans won't willfully accept islam and sharia, then you WILL have it FORCED on you, or get your head SAWED OFF. Western culture and the constitution of the United States of America are not compatible with islam.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/24/next-obama-abdul-el-sayed-first-muslim-governor-michigan

[michiganFats]

Guarantee, the first thing this sons a bitch would want to do is put sharia law in place, that's what muslims do, take over, they've been doing it for 1,400 years. They're not here to ASSIMILATE, they're here to TAKE OVER... and when they finally have sufficient numbers, if Americans won't willfully accept islam and sharia, then you WILL have it FORCED on you, or get your head SAWED OFF. Western culture and constitution of the United States of America are not compatible with islam.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/24/next-obama-abdul-el-sayed-first-muslim-governor-michigan

I don't think he'll win. I've heard him interviewed many times and he is a lunatic lefty but even if he does the muslims here have already tried to have their way and they have been defeated every time. I don't see that changing any time soon.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Seems to me like the muslims in MI get a lot things their way... youtube is absolutely packed with this sort of evidence... does this look like muslims coming to America wanting to assimilate and become Americans to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMBESTJPdo4

[michiganFats]

Seems to me like the muslims in MI get a lot things their way... youtube is absolutely packed with this sort of evidence...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMBESTJPdo4

Youtube is packed with a lot of bullshit. You shouldn't believe all of it.

[michiganFats]

Seems to me like the muslims in MI get a lot things their way... youtube is absolutely packed with this sort of evidence... does this look like muslims coming to America wanting to assimilate and become Americans to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMBESTJPdo4

I see you edited your post. I live next to Dearborn. I have for most of my life. I go there quite a bit, there's some good food and entertainment there. I think I know that city better than you do. Don't believe utter bullshit you watch on Youtube.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I see you edited your post. I live next to Dearborn. I have for most of my life. I go there quite a bit, there's some good food and entertainment there. I think I know that city better than you do. Don't believe utter bullshit you watch on Youtube.
Well, first hand witnessing is the best. I'll take your word for it. But regardless, there is a massive muslim community in Dearborn, and I don't trust muslims as far as I can see them.

[michiganFats]

Well, first hand witnessing is the best. I'll take your word for it. But regardless, there is a massive muslim community in Dearborn, and I don't trust muslims as far as I can see them.

You live in Podunk Wisconsin. You don't have to take my word for anything. The only thing you need to know is you don't shit about Dearborn. You don't live anywhere near there. What would possess you to lecture anyone else about a city you know nothing about?

[aboutime]

Guarantee, the first thing this sons a bitch would want to do is put sharia law in place, that's what muslims do, take over, they've been doing it for 1,400 years. They're not here to ASSIMILATE, they're here to "CHANGE" America, to TAKE it OVER, same as obama tried to do... and when they finally have sufficient numbers, if Americans won't willfully accept islam and sharia, then you WILL have it FORCED on you, or get your head SAWED OFF. Western culture and the constitution of the United States of America are not compatible with islam.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/24/next-obama-abdul-el-sayed-first-muslim-governor-michigan

Only 49 to go!Article VI
: The Constitution is the
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upreme
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Constitution:
Article VI
:
“
This
C
onstitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall
be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
Authority of the United States, shall be th
e supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every
State shall be bound thereby
”

Shariah:
“
The source of legal rulings for all acts of those who are morally responsible is
Allah.
”
(a1.1
, Umdat al
-
salik or The Reliance of the Traveller,
commonly accepted work of
Shariah jurisprudence
)
;
“There is only one law which ought to be followed, and that is the
Sharia.” (Seyed Qutb)
;
“Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the
face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the
country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of
its own ideology and program.” (Seyed Abul A’ala Maududi)

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/upload/wysiwyg/article%20pdfs/Shariah_VS_Constitution.pdf

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You live in Podunk Wisconsin. You don't have to take my word for anything. The only thing you need to know is you don't shit about Dearborn. You don't live anywhere near there. What would possess you to lecture anyone else about a city you know nothing about?
I have LIVED COAST TO COAST, and I have been in EVERY state in the lower 48 except for MAINE, and I have TRIED to be decent with you, but it appears you have decided you want to be a little BITCH and talk SHIT to me every chance you get. Well if that's the way you want it, you got it, JERK OFF.

No one knows ANYTHING about ANYWHERE, unless one, they GO there, or two, they READ ABOUT IT, or as I posted, see FIRST HAND VIDEO TAKEN of actual events that happen there. Now if you think I'm going listen to you try and blow smoke up my ass that there ISN'T a MAJOR muslim population in Dearbornistan, and that there HASN'T been problems because of it, YOU'RE dumber than I thought you were. I know damn well there's been problems because of muslims in MI, and no amount of you acting like a little ass hat will change the truth.

Now I hope that really triggered you... go buy yourself a box of tissues.

[michiganFats]

I have LIVED COAST TO COAST, and I have been in EVERY state in the lower 48 except for MAINE, and I have TRIED to be decent with you, but it appears you have decided you want to be a little BITCH and talk SHIT to me every chance you get. Well if that's the way you want it, you got it, JERK OFF.

No one knows ANYTHING about ANYWHERE, unless one, they GO there, or two, they READ ABOUT IT, or as I posted, see FIRST HAND VIDEO TAKEN of actual events that happen there. Now if you think I'm going listen to you try and blow smoke up my ass that there ISN'T a MAJOR muslim population in Dearbornistan, and that there HASN'T been problems because of it, YOU'RE dumber than I thought you were. I know damn well there's been problems because of muslims in MI, and no amount of you acting like a little ass hat will change the truth.

Now I hope that really triggered you... go buy yourself a box of tissues.

You're being the ass hat. You posted an old video that isn't close to the truth about a city you've never set foot in and then tell someone who has been there, many times, that you know what you're talking about. Truth doesn't matter to you as long as you can make yourself feel good about pouring gasoline all over something because some guy on Youtube told you to.

This isn't a matter of opinion, the video you posted is just wrong and what's worse is you don't care that it's wrong. And you think other people are the problem.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You're being the ass hat. You posted an old video that isn't close to the truth about a city you've never set foot in and then tell someone who has been there, many times, that you know what you're talking about. Truth doesn't matter to you as long as you can make yourself feel good about pouring gasoline all over something because some guy on Youtube told you to.

This isn't a matter of opinion, the video you posted is just wrong and what's worse is you don't care that it's wrong. And you think other people are the problem.
You copped the attitude first, pard, not me. But is the video what triggered you, or is it just that I don't care for muslims? You never did dispute what was in the video either. You want people to believe it's fake? You going to tell me that since that video was taken things have miraculously changed? You want recent facts, video, articles whatnot about muslims in MI? Would that help? I don't need to live there. I can tell you about Paris or Anchorage or any number of other cities without ever being there, and I can turn this little butt hurt game of your's around and watch every single post you make, and the first time you say something about a city you don't live in, jump your ass for not living there so you should keep your mouth shut about it too. Want to do that? I bet I can research the archives on here right now and find where you already have. You're being absolutely ridiculous. You're sounding just like the rest of the disgusting little leftist fascists. WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SO STFU.

I think there's a different reason you got your undies in a bunch, but for the sake of keeping the peace in threads, let's just have it out in the cage. You quit your lying about what's really eating you about me and let's settle this. You're acting weird, and I think you're lying.

[jimnyc]

I've never been near Dearborn.

But I've seen videos as well, in the street live videos. Granted they may not be the majority, they may not fill the streets, but it does show some areas where muslims are the majority and turned some areas into a little mecca. I'm not saying they are or have installed sharia - but I know they would love to if they could.

I've only been to Cali for a mini business trip in Silicon Valley, but I don't need to visit there personally and scour the place to know it's much of liberal la la land in many many places. The news and videos are worthy and accurate sometimes to a certain extent.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Now in ALL FAIRNESS, mFATS, JUMP JIMMY the same way you have me, BECAUSE HE'S never LIVED there and never BEEN THERE EITHER... C'MON NOW...
lets see it...

[michiganFats]

Now in ALL FAIRNESS, mFATS, JUMP JIMMY the same way you have me, BECAUSE HE'S never LIVED there and never BEEN THERE EITHER... C'MON NOW...
lets see it...

Jim will receive the respect he deserves, much as you're receiving the respect you deserve.


You copped the attitude first, pard, not me. But is the video what triggered you, or is it just that I don't care for muslims? You never did dispute what was in the video either. You want people to believe it's fake? You going to tell me that since that video was taken things have miraculously changed? You want recent facts, video, articles whatnot about muslims in MI? Would that help? I don't need to live there. I can tell you about Paris or Anchorage or any number of other cities without ever being there, and I can turn this little butt hurt game of your's around and watch every single post you make, and the first time you say something about a city you don't live in, jump your ass for not living there so you should keep your mouth shut about it too. Want to do that? I bet I can research the archives on here right now and find where you already have. You're being absolutely ridiculous. You're sounding just like the rest of the disgusting little leftist fascists. WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SO STFU.

I think there's a different reason you got your undies in a bunch, but for the sake of keeping the peace in threads, let's just have it out in the cage. You quit your lying about what's really eating you about me and let's settle this. You're acting weird, and I think you're lying.

You copped attitude. You started a thread about el-Sayed and when I disagreed with you about him you posted a video that was 1) utter bullshit and 2) had nothing to do with el-Sayed. If you can't talk about a topic then you shouldn't start threads about that topic. Before I move on here let me tell you about Abdul el-Sayed. His parents came here from Egypt, they are both highly educated professionals. el-Sayed was born here and he was raised in one of the wealthiest suburbs of Detroit, in fact it's one of the wealthiest cities in the country. He was educated at the University of Michigan and at Oxford, where did you go to college? I've met him, he was the director of public health for the city of Detroit and he regularly held community meetings in neighborhoods which were gentrifying about what hazards we could expect and how to deal with them. He didn't have to do that, he could have just made a post on the city site and left it at that. I have never heard him talk about his religion when interviewed except to counter accusations made by people like you. You took that man and boiled him down to someone who would cut heads off and institute Sharia, calling you ignorant is too kind. He campaigns on public health issues not jihad.

I hate to break this to you but you can't tell me anything about an area you're not familiar with. The only thing you can do is repeat what you've been told and if the information was faulty or biased then guess what you are? We both could read about Anchorage or Paris and then repeat certain very basic, indisputable facts but pretending to have deep knowledge of a city we've never been to and never studied in depth would be foolish.

The rest of your rant is what it is. It's funny how when someone doesn't agree with you they're a snowflake and have ulterior motives and as for your cage match whatever guy, I don't care, fire that up if you want to but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop calling out your bigoted bullshit in this thread.

Just so you don't forget, your OP was about Abdul el-Sayed, do you have anything else to say about him or was his candidacy just an excuse to post that old propaganda video?

[michiganFats]

I've never been near Dearborn.

But I've seen videos as well, in the street live videos. Granted they may not be the majority, they may not fill the streets, but it does show some areas where muslims are the majority and turned some areas into a little mecca. I'm not saying they are or have installed sharia - but I know they would love to if they could.

I've only been to Cali for a mini business trip in Silicon Valley, but I don't need to visit there personally and scour the place to know it's much of liberal la la land in many many places. The news and videos are worthy and accurate sometimes to a certain extent.

Since HPD wants me to lump you in with him let me ask you about one specific video, the one he posted. What do you think of that video?

Then check this out:

http://cityofdearborn.org/government

That's the city website for Dearborn. Look at the elected members of government. The mayor is white and 1 out of the 7 city council members is muslim. Does that look like a city being overrun by Sharia to you?

A lot of Arabs live in the east end of Dearborn and yes, there are a lot of muslims there but what a lot of people don't understand is Arabs tend to segregate themselves based on country of origin, not religion. East Dearborn is mostly families from Jordan, Lebanon, and Palestine and I'm not sure but there might be some Syrians there too and I'm not talking about refugees but when you watch the videos what impression are you left with? Do those videos mention the people who aren't muslim?

These things need to be determined before we can talk about how accurate the videos you've watched are.

[jimnyc]

Since HPD wants me to lump you in with him let me ask you about one specific video, the one he posted. What do you think of that video?

Then check this out:

http://cityofdearborn.org/government

That's the city website for Dearborn. Look at the elected members of government. The mayor is white and 1 out of the 7 city council members is muslim. Does that look like a city being overrun by Sharia to you?

A lot of Arabs live in the east end of Dearborn and yes, there are a lot of muslims there but what a lot of people don't understand is Arabs tend to segregate themselves based on country of origin, not religion. East Dearborn is mostly families from Jordan, Lebanon, and Palestine and I'm not sure but there might be some Syrians there too and I'm not talking about refugees but when you watch the videos what impression are you left with? Do those videos mention the people who aren't muslim?

These things need to be determined before we can talk about how accurate the videos you've watched are.

I'm not gonna lie, I didn't watch his video. I assumed via the argument that it wouldn't accomplish much. I already had a little knowledge about Dearborn, but I don't want to fight with anyone.

Do I think it's some crazy muslim sharia nut land? No, I don't. I don't think they have taken over the government either.

My stance was because the population there must be somewhere around 100k now, and it's well about 30% of a muslim population by now. That alone is not a problem. BUT, like I said, there are places where non-muslims aren't exactly welcome.

In fairness, I think you'll find muslim towns around the nation, and many where non-muslims aren't welcome or accepted. But Dearborn has one of the largest concentrated areas, so they often get pointed out more than others.

I think some of the population would like to turn the area into like what is going on in London in some areas, with the supposed 'no go zones' where they don't even want to see drinking in their neighborhoods, no gays, no short cut dresses - nothing that really goes against their beliefs, and some against sharia law. But this is not just Dearborn. I have an area not far from me, but a much much less population than that. Some friendly, but so so many that don't want to assimilate, speak English or do much of what normal every day Americans do. They want their muslim lives with muslim lifestyles and muslim dress and muslim rules - and don't think for a second that the majority wouldn't absolutely love to institute sharia if they could!! That's my opinion of course, but one very often validated via polls and simply asking many a muslims.

This goes for ANY large ethnic groups in the US or coming to the USA - they should assimilate, at least learn to speak English to the folks here that only speak English. Don't force their kin to dress covered (imo). Don't continue with their "laws", even if they cannot be enforced.

And before it's said - no, it's not all of them. I'm sure there are some fine folks there that are upstanding citizens that speak perfect English. Those folks probably born here. :)

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Jim will receive the respect he deserves, much as you're receiving the respect you deserve.



You copped attitude. You started a thread about el-Sayed and when I disagreed with you about him you posted a video that was 1) utter bullshit and 2) had nothing to do with el-Sayed. If you can't talk about a topic then you shouldn't start threads about that topic. Before I move on here let me tell you about Abdul el-Sayed. His parents came here from Egypt, they are both highly educated professionals. el-Sayed was born here and he was raised in one of the wealthiest suburbs of Detroit, in fact it's one of the wealthiest cities in the country. He was educated at the University of Michigan and at Oxford, where did you go to college? I've met him, he was the director of public health for the city of Detroit and he regularly held community meetings in neighborhoods which were gentrifying about what hazards we could expect and how to deal with them. He didn't have to do that, he could have just made a post on the city site and left it at that. I have never heard him talk about his religion when interviewed except to counter accusations made by people like you. You took that man and boiled him down to someone who would cut heads off and institute Sharia, calling you ignorant is too kind. He campaigns on public health issues not jihad.

I hate to break this to you but you can't tell me anything about an area you're not familiar with. The only thing you can do is repeat what you've been told and if the information was faulty or biased then guess what you are? We both could read about Anchorage or Paris and then repeat certain very basic, indisputable facts but pretending to have deep knowledge of a city we've never been to and never studied in depth would be foolish.

The rest of your rant is what it is. It's funny how when someone doesn't agree with you they're a snowflake and have ulterior motives and as for your cage match whatever guy, I don't care, fire that up if you want to but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop calling out your bigoted bullshit in this thread.

Just so you don't forget, your OP was about Abdul el-Sayed, do you have anything else to say about him or was his candidacy just an excuse to post that old propaganda video?
Well, fats, that rant told me a lot about you, and two, you were the one that copped the attitude first, and now I know why. You're a big muslim supporter. I posted my opinion of what I believe to be the dirty side of muslims in this nation, and I also believe that islam in it's purest form is completely incompatible with our constitution and western culture. But back to you lying about who got their cackles up first, I followed your very first post with a video that apparently you want everyone to believe is either fake, or completely staged by a bunch of actors and everything in it is a lie. Now if you chose to pretend that what transpires is fake, fine, but I see it for what it is. This apparently triggered you because your next post is where you got your attitude on. You said youtube was packed with bull shit, and no one can deny that, but you also said "I SHOULDN'T BELIEVE IT." Well I'm not asking anyone to believe "ALL" the videos on youtube. I'm only concerned with the one I POSTED. So you want me/everyone to suspend their brain and pretend what you're seeing in the video I posted isn't happening. Well... sorry... but just because you're a big muslim lover doesn't mean everyone else is also. So you posted again basically calling the video "utter bull shit," and no one should believe it. I guess you firmly believe the video is FAKE and just one big lie, but I was still trying to give you the benefit of the doubt at that point and had said NOTHING to you that was "attitude" yet, in fact I responded NICELY by saying first hand witnessing was best and that I'D TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, but I guess that wasn't good enough for you. YOU responded to me by saying, and I quote...

"You live in Podunk Wisconsin. You don't have to take my word for anything. The only thing you need to know is you don't shit about Dearborn. You don't live anywhere near there. What would possess you to lecture anyone else about a city you know nothing about?"

So at this point, I have not said ONE swear word to you and had been quite polite about trying to keep the conversation low key, but YOU had SWORN AT ME THREE TIMES already and read me the RIOT ACT, so don't EVEN try and give me this, I copped an attitude first BULL SHIT, son, YOU DID, and EVERYONE HERE CAN READ IT.

Now I don't give a crap if you know this muslim running for governor or not, and I don't give a rats ass if you regularly hang out in Dearbornistan, but you are not going to sit on here and tell me that videos taken of actual events that have occured in Dearborn involving muslims are all BULL SHIT. I'm not going to suspend my brain just because you love muslims and don't want me to believe those things. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. Not only that, but the video I posted is from 2017. It was posted just FOUR MONTHS AGO, so don't give me this "it's an old video" garbage either.

But maybe you'd prefer this video about muslims in MI... tell me this is was all STAGED, it's BULL SHIT and I SHOULDN'T BELIEVE IT...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sWK2fp3DM

Or how about this one... more bull shit?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVvgrEm4FE4

Now I really don't give a damn if you're a muslim ass kisser or not, but this rosy little picture of the muslims in MI that you'd have us all believe is what's BULL SHIT. I think YOU are the one that trying to pull the wool over people's eyes here, not me. I think you're the one spreading the garbage we SHOULDN'T BELIEVE.

So let's just take another look at DEARBORN from someone that's willing to be honest about it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEcLyMprWZQ

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm not gonna lie, I didn't watch his video. I assumed via the argument that it wouldn't accomplish much. I already had a little knowledge about Dearborn, but I don't want to fight with anyone.

Do I think it's some crazy muslim sharia nut land? No, I don't. I don't think they have taken over the government either.

My stance was because the population there must be somewhere around 100k now, and it's well about 30% of a muslim population by now. That alone is not a problem. BUT, like I said, there are places where non-muslims aren't exactly welcome.

In fairness, I think you'll find muslim towns around the nation, and many where non-muslims aren't welcome or accepted. But Dearborn has one of the largest concentrated areas, so they often get pointed out more than others.

I think some of the population would like to turn the area into like what is going on in London in some areas, with the supposed 'no go zones' where they don't even want to see drinking in their neighborhoods, no gays, no short cut dresses - nothing that really goes against their beliefs, and some against sharia law. But this is not just Dearborn. I have an area not far from me, but a much much less population than that. Some friendly, but so so many that don't want to assimilate, speak English or do much of what normal every day Americans do. They want their muslim lives with muslim lifestyles and muslim dress and muslim rules - and don't think for a second that the majority wouldn't absolutely love to institute sharia if they could!! That's my opinion of course, but one very often validated via polls and simply asking many a muslims.

This goes for ANY large ethnic groups in the US or coming to the USA - they should assimilate, at least learn to speak English to the folks here that only speak English. Don't force their kin to dress covered (imo). Don't continue with their "laws", even if they cannot be enforced.

And before it's said - no, it's not all of them. I'm sure there are some fine folks there that are upstanding citizens that speak perfect English. Those folks probably born here. :)

Jim, all you just presented makes good sense. The problem that I have found with these defenders of Islam is that all too often they-the defenders- are as totally intolerant as are the muslims that they so adamantly defend.
Now this kinship in mindset of intolerance most often can not be dealt with to any degree of success, by presenting facts, evidence and logical reasoning.
Over the years I've seen the hatred and total rejection of truth and reality by most of these great defenders of this--- ""poor and wrongly persecuted, peaceful cult.( :rolleyes:)

My post made is addressing the problem, it is not addressing any specific member of this forum...
However, should I be so accused, I can and will totally destroy that false accusation..
Just as I have always done since my joining this forum.
I believe in truth regardless of who it may piss off.....
There are too many examples of muslims in this country behaving in ways that point to their desire to establish Sharia here..
Any peoples/groups crying out that truth is a lie --is in my opinion , damn liars themselves.
And I can and will make no bones about opening and unabashedly telling such vermin so..... and I will do so, come hell or high water.

I can post hundreds of links that back this righteously negative view/conclusion up-- but why bother --when the great defenders of that damn cult have no intentions of ever accepting the truth, or any linked evidence regardless of its source.. -Tyr

[jimnyc]

here's a little bit of what I was talking about. These videos are actual events and things in Dearborn. Christians being attacked, cannot be denied. They own all the stores in their local communities and have raised the rent dramatically on other non-muslim businesses to get rid of them. Police helping with the community and their "rules". Many taking advantage of the government and welfare. Can't hand out anything about your own beliefs in THEIR communities.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFnXEYuY9c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

And then how some of them REALLY feel when it comes time for their marches or protests. Their "freedom can go to hell" is insane, and yet they state this ALL over, not just in Dearborn. And also proclaiming their hatred for America, while living in America. :rolleyes:

Again though, is it ALL of them? Of course not. But I do, IMO, believe that the majority DO NOT want to assimilate to our ways, want to live muslim lives with muslim rules and how muslims see "freedom".

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://image.ibb.co/muLbUv/evil.jpg

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You started a thread about el-Sayed and when I disagreed with you about him you posted a video that was 1) utter bullshit and 2) had nothing to do with el-Sayed. If you can't talk about a topic then you shouldn't start threads about that topic.
And another thing I'll add, the expansion of this conversation to include facts and documentation of the continued islamification of MI is entirely relevant, when it's a muslim running for governor of MI that was the primary topic.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

here's a little bit of what I was talking about. These videos are actual events and things in Dearborn. Christians being attacked, cannot be denied. They own all the stores in their local communities and have raised the rent dramatically on other non-muslim businesses to get rid of them. Police helping with the community and their "rules". Many taking advantage of the government and welfare. Can't hand out anything about your own beliefs in THEIR communities.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFnXEYuY9c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

And then how some of them REALLY feel when it comes time for their marches or protests. Their "freedom can go to hell" is insane, and yet they state this ALL over, not just in Dearborn. And also proclaiming their hatred for America, while living in America. :rolleyes:

Again though, is it ALL of them? Of course not. But I do, IMO, believe that the majority DO NOT want to assimilate to our ways, want to live muslim lives with muslim rules and how muslims see "freedom".

Video does not lie. Fort Michigan is being established right in infidel territory. History repeatedly shows how they do this, after moving in, do it until they can a number large enough to fight and kill all that do not submit.
If any of you think THAT we will be the one lone exception to a 1400 year long continued practice you are either very gullible, stupid, crazy or blind.,IMHO..

Take a look at where they are already in this nation..
Already got police helping them destroy other groups. Giving them --special-- protections!!!!


Best wake up people, turning a blind eye to this murder loving menace will only later end up in millions of us becoming their murdered victims as 1400+ years of history so clearly hows--

Charles Martel-- showed that only superior force that delivers a massive overwhelming defeat stops this evil.. A fact.
Ask any of these maggots to explain how Allah allowed Martel to utterly obliterate their massive invading army -if their Allah is a true god...
These are followers of pure evil that have supernatural help, IMHO..

Low estimate is that they have murdered in their 1400+ year history , at least 250 million innocent people...


http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?36912-I-take-my-stand-you/page93


--Tyr

[michiganFats]

Jim, all you just presented makes good sense. The problem that I have found with these defenders of Islam is that all too often they-the defenders- are as totally intolerant as are the muslims that they so adamantly defend.
Now this kinship in mindset of intolerance most often can not be dealt with to any degree of success, by presenting facts, evidence and logical reasoning.
Over the years I've seen the hatred and total rejection of truth and reality by most of these great defenders of this--- ""poor and wrongly persecuted, peaceful cult.( :rolleyes:)

My post made is addressing the problem, it is not addressing any specific member of this forum...
However, should I be so accused, I can and will totally destroy that false accusation..
Just as I have always done since my joining this forum.
I believe in truth regardless of who it may piss off.....
There are too many examples of muslims in this country behaving in ways that point to their desire to establish Sharia here..
Any peoples/groups crying out that truth is a lie --is in my opinion , damn liars themselves.
And I can and will make no bones about opening and unabashedly telling such vermin so..... and I will do so, come hell or high water.

I can post hundreds of links that back this righteously negative view/conclusion up-- but why bother --when the great defenders of that damn cult have no intentions of ever accepting the truth, or any linked evidence regardless of its source.. -Tyr

Would you like to talk about false accusations? Who is defending Islam here? Here's another false accusation--no go zones in Dearborn. They don't exist.

There is a big difference between a goat herder in Afghanistan and a 4th generation American Citizen in Dearborn.

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[michiganFats]

I'm not gonna lie, I didn't watch his video. I assumed via the argument that it wouldn't accomplish much. I already had a little knowledge about Dearborn, but I don't want to fight with anyone.

Do I think it's some crazy muslim sharia nut land? No, I don't. I don't think they have taken over the government either.

My stance was because the population there must be somewhere around 100k now, and it's well about 30% of a muslim population by now. That alone is not a problem. BUT, like I said, there are places where non-muslims aren't exactly welcome.

In fairness, I think you'll find muslim towns around the nation, and many where non-muslims aren't welcome or accepted. But Dearborn has one of the largest concentrated areas, so they often get pointed out more than others.

I think some of the population would like to turn the area into like what is going on in London in some areas, with the supposed 'no go zones' where they don't even want to see drinking in their neighborhoods, no gays, no short cut dresses - nothing that really goes against their beliefs, and some against sharia law. But this is not just Dearborn. I have an area not far from me, but a much much less population than that. Some friendly, but so so many that don't want to assimilate, speak English or do much of what normal every day Americans do. They want their muslim lives with muslim lifestyles and muslim dress and muslim rules - and don't think for a second that the majority wouldn't absolutely love to institute sharia if they could!! That's my opinion of course, but one very often validated via polls and simply asking many a muslims.

This goes for ANY large ethnic groups in the US or coming to the USA - they should assimilate, at least learn to speak English to the folks here that only speak English. Don't force their kin to dress covered (imo). Don't continue with their "laws", even if they cannot be enforced.

And before it's said - no, it's not all of them. I'm sure there are some fine folks there that are upstanding citizens that speak perfect English. Those folks probably born here. :)

When it comes to muslims in Dearborn you have to understand that most of them are muslim in the same way I'm Christian--IOW kind of. There aren't a lot of new arrivals in Dearborn, most of those families have been there for a long time and the new people who do settle there aren't the terrorist types, they're from Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, some Palestinians still come over here. The new arrivals from Iraq can be a problem and even with them it's just an Iraqi thing, their Christians are just as pig-headed and violent as their muslims are. The Saudis don't settle in Dearborn either, Dearborn doesn't seem to want them and I understand, I've never met a Saudi who wanted to be American.

We have a lot of cultural ghettos here. The Arabs do dress up and "act Arab" for the same reason the Poles do, the Ukranians and Russians do, the Laotians and the Thai on the East Side do, they're playing a part to bring in business. What's the point of going to Dearborn to get the "Arab" experience if they all act and dress like me? I guess it's only wrong when they do it but when the Mexicans dress up like Pancho Villa that's just entertainment.

As for the other muslim areas you mentioned, I have no idea. I've never been anywhere quite like Dearborn.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Would you like to talk about false accusations? Who is defending Islam here? Here's another false accusation--no go zones in Dearborn. They don't exist.

There is a big difference between a goat herder in Afghanistan and a 4th generation American Citizen in Dearborn.

First, be so kind as to show me in my quoted post exactly where I mentioned -no go zones...
Know this I will not be misdirected,,ok? That little tactic does not do well when tossed at me--thus you get no reply on something I never stated in my post.
I spoke in general terms about my views on Islam in this nation and my knowledge of its 1400+ year history of murder and its current love of terror and murder as a tool for its advancement.
Videos clearly show muslims -- ATTACKING NON-MUSLIMS WHEN THEY ARE IN MUSLIM CONTROLLED NEIGHBORHOODS.

Yes, I can talk false accusations, as in the number of times mosque attacks were blamed on(faked) - non-muslims, only later to be proven a muzzy member of that mosque did it for propaganda purposes.

If you deny that muslims have a very willing and hasty reaction in using violence to defend their cult -and even when it has not been attacked (but rather when they think it has merely been -insulted!) then that is your problem not mine..
Reality and news sources repeatedly show that is fact.

Do me a favor and do not try your spin stuff on me. I have not the time for such non-sense nor any desire to walk down blind paths...
You are free to defend them all that you want but do so with facts and reality and not by closing eyes to the reality in this world in regards to their acknowledged goals)Koranic commands) and worldwide terror being engaged in.

Note, my replies always match in equal respect the amount I am given by the person I address.-Tyr

[michiganFats]

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More Youtube videos. I didn't watch them but one of them I recognized anyway, that was made when Terry Jones went to Dearborn to set a koran on fire outside of a mosque. You rant against the media, you think they lie constantly (they do) and you say you don't watch them anymore (you still do) but you insist Youtube is a irrefutable news source. You have the intellect of an 8 year old.

[michiganFats]

First, be so kind as to show me in my quoted post exactly where I mentioned -no go zones...

Good catch, that was the post from Jim directly below your post.



Know this I will not be misdirected,,ok? That little tactic does not do well when tossed at me--thus you get no reply on something I never stated in my post.
I spoke in general terms about my views on Islam in this nation and my knowledge of its 1400+ year history of murder and its current love of terror and murder as a tool for its advancement.
Videos clearly show muslims -- ATTACKING NON-MUSLIMS WHEN THEY ARE IN MUSLIM CONTROLLED NEIGHBORHOODS.

Yes, I can talk false accusations, as in the number of times mosque attacks were blamed on(faked) - non-muslims, only later to be proven a muzzy member of that mosque did it for propaganda purposes.

If you deny that muslims have a very willing and hasty reaction in using violence to defend their cult -and even when it has not been attacked (but rather when they think it has merely been -insulted!) then that is your problem not mine..
Reality and news sources repeatedly show that is fact.

Do me a favor and do not try your spin stuff on me. I have not the time for such non-sense nor any desire to walk down blind paths...
You are free to defend them all that you want but do so with facts and reality and not by closing eyes to the reality in this world in regards to their acknowledged goals)Koranic commands) and worldwide terror being engaged in.

Note, my replies always match in equal respect the amount I am given by the person I address.-Tyr

The red part first. I am defending American Citizens specifically in Dearborn. I have not defended Islam so as you said...don't try to spin your stuff on me. I don't have time for your nonsense either.

The OP is about Abdul el-Sayed. Then a video which has been making the rounds for several years on the Internet was introduced into the thread. That video is total bullshit, as are most if not all Youtube videos. I would love to hear your comments specifically on those two things especially, if you have time, the fact that even after several years there doesn't seem to be a takeover in that city, it's not run by muslims. I posted the city webpage earlier in the thread.

To your larger point about violence worldwide. That can't be denied. Islam is being used as a weapon in a region where war has been fairly common and it appeared to me the migration to Europe had sinister motives. This is why I'm not in favor of letting in refugees, I think it's dangerous and if I were in charge I'd stop almost all immigration from that region but once again a 4th generation American is not the same as a refugee.

[michiganFats]

here's a little bit of what I was talking about. These videos are actual events and things in Dearborn. Christians being attacked, cannot be denied. They own all the stores in their local communities and have raised the rent dramatically on other non-muslim businesses to get rid of them. Police helping with the community and their "rules". Many taking advantage of the government and welfare. Can't hand out anything about your own beliefs in THEIR communities.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFnXEYuY9c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

And then how some of them REALLY feel when it comes time for their marches or protests. Their "freedom can go to hell" is insane, and yet they state this ALL over, not just in Dearborn. And also proclaiming their hatred for America, while living in America. :rolleyes:

Again though, is it ALL of them? Of course not. But I do, IMO, believe that the majority DO NOT want to assimilate to our ways, want to live muslim lives with muslim rules and how muslims see "freedom".

The only place I've ever seen no-go zones in Dearborn mentioned has been Youtube. They don't exist, if they did they would be common knowledge. The stoning was another Youtube entertainment production, that was debunked. There was an incident but it wasn't close to what's been portrayed.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Good catch, that was the post from Jim directly below your post.




The red part first. I am defending American Citizens specifically in Dearborn. I have not defended Islam so as you said...don't try to spin your stuff on me. I don't have time for your nonsense either.

The OP is about Abdul el-Sayed. Then a video which has been making the rounds for several years on the Internet was introduced into the thread. That video is total bullshit, as are most if not all Youtube videos. I would love to hear your comments specifically on those two things especially, if you have time, the fact that even after several years there doesn't seem to be a takeover in that city, it's not run by muslims. I posted the city webpage earlier in the thread.

To your larger point about violence worldwide. That can't be denied. Islam is being used as a weapon in a region where war has been fairly common and it appeared to me the migration to Europe had sinister motives. This is why I'm not in favor of letting in refugees, I think it's dangerous and if I were in charge I'd stop almost all immigration from that region but once again a 4th generation American is not the same as a refugee.

I made no challenge or accusation regards to their citizenship, rather I did make such about their barbaric and murderous actions so often engaged in and commanded by the Koran/ etc..
Which you fail to mention or acknowledge while you cite video this, video that..
Reality, past and recent actions worldwide speak more about my views on that murder cult than do videos-- by the way, videos which I did not introduce.
Yet I do acknowledge there are videos out there that show , not just in our nation, but also in other nations, how they rage forth and murder at even the merest perceived slight of their damn murdering cult -- Are all those videos, lies and deceptions?
Are the grieving families of their thousands of murder victims lying too?-Tyr

[michiganFats]

here's a little bit of what I was talking about. These videos are actual events and things in Dearborn. Christians being attacked, cannot be denied. They own all the stores in their local communities and have raised the rent dramatically on other non-muslim businesses to get rid of them. Police helping with the community and their "rules". Many taking advantage of the government and welfare. Can't hand out anything about your own beliefs in THEIR communities.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFnXEYuY9c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

And then how some of them REALLY feel when it comes time for their marches or protests. Their "freedom can go to hell" is insane, and yet they state this ALL over, not just in Dearborn. And also proclaiming their hatred for America, while living in America. :rolleyes:

Again though, is it ALL of them? Of course not. But I do, IMO, believe that the majority DO NOT want to assimilate to our ways, want to live muslim lives with muslim rules and how muslims see "freedom".

Jim, I already responded to this post but I'm doing it again. I mentioned in my first reply that the stoning video had been discredited. I found the material I'd read about this when it happened so now I'll post so you can take a look see if you feel like it.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christandpopculture/2013/05/muslims-stoning-christians-in-michigan-not-quite-updated/#disqus_thread

This is a blog and the article has been reposted on other blogs but this is the original source. I'm not asking you to take this authors word on anything, the reason I'm posting this is because he has linked to several videos and snippets showing how this incident was reported on by various sources so instead of putting up all of the links myself I just linked to his post. He also has a link to the original, unedited video and uses that to compare what happened to what some other videos and articles said happened including the America West video you linked to. Just a warning, if you do want to watch the original video it's an hour long so I don't blame you if you don't want to watch it but it's there if you want to.

I wasn't there for either of these festivals but I have been to many weekend festivals in Dearborn over the years and this type of incitement has been common since 9/11. The pig head on a stick mentioned in the article makes a regular appearance, street preachers (with cameras) trying to incite violence happens with regularity, I've even seen people sneak around buildings and toss pork on people or dead pigs in the street. I'm honestly surprised there isn't far more violence at these festivals considering how hard some people try to incite it.

If you do read this article and the comments you'll notice the author admitting that he writes his posts to appeal to a specific audience, and that is why I also don't trust Youtube videos, too many of them do the same thing. The video you posted was 22 minutes long, there is another one that is only 5 minutes long, the people who shot and edited the video were also playing to their audience. The video wasn't shot and edited to tell the truth or reflect reality, it was done to appeal to an audience who already wanted to see that final, edited product exactly as it was released.

[michiganFats]

I made no challenge or accusation regards to their citizenship, rather I did make such about their barbaric and murderous actions so often engaged in and commanded by the Koran/ etc..
Which you fail to mention or acknowledge while you cite video this, video that..
Reality, past and recent actions worldwide speak more about my views on that murder cult than do videos-- by the way, videos which I did not introduce.
Yet I do acknowledge there are videos out there that show , not just in our nation, but also in other nations, how they rage forth and murder at even the merest perceived slight of their damn murdering cult -- Are all those videos, lies and deceptions?
Are the grieving families of their thousands of murder victims lying too?-Tyr

What do you mean by I didn't mention it? I devoted a whole paragraph to it but unlike you I make a distinction between violent jihadis in a war zone and American citizens in Dearborn.

I fail to see how mentioning videos posted in this thread is somehow wrong.

Are the videos lies? You did say earlier video doesn't lie. It can deceive, I already posted to Jim about that so I won't repeat any of that here.

Just in case you're curious about the real threat here, and there is one, I'm going to do you and everyone else a solid and tell you what to look out for. The problem isn't the people who live in Dearborn, it's Iraqis and Turks who recently came to America and who live in West Bloomfield, and some other northern suburbs but primarily West Bloomfield. When someone is busted for funneling money to terror groups, that's who they are and where they're from. Honor killings? We've had some and they didn't happen in Dearborn. You'll have to dig hard though because the local media likes to gloss over or ignore bad things that happen in West Bloomfield because West Bloomfield and Birmingham are the multi-cultural center of the Detroit area but usually at least something will be in the news for at least a day so keep an eye out for that. That is if you care.

I think I'm going to give up on expecting anyone to actually talk about Abdul el-Sayed, the subject of the OP.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

More Youtube videos. I didn't watch them but one of them I recognized anyway, that was made when Terry Jones went to Dearborn to set a koran on fire outside of a mosque. You rant against the media, you think they lie constantly (they do) and you say you don't watch them anymore (you still do) but you insist Youtube is a irrefutable news source. You have the intellect of an 8 year old.
You're a jackass, pure and simple, and if you want to burn a fucking koran in America, you should be free to do so.

How in the FUCK do you know what I do and don't watch? You stalking my house and spying in my windows 24/7? You got a magical crystal ball?

I also never "INSISTED" youtube was an "irrefutable source." It appears you have quite the knack for making things up. What I did say, in fact, was first agreeing with you that there was plenty of bull shit on youtube, but, now JUST FOR YOU, AGAIN, I am ONLY concerned, you get that now, ONLY concerned with the validity of the videos I POSTED, and it appears you can't DISPUTE their VALIDITY at all. You can only keep making things up and spewing stupid blanket statements.

One thing I've learned for SURE now, is that you are SHIT TALKER. You put words in people's mouth, you accuse them of doing things they didn't, you purport you know what they do and don't do, and it's pure HORSE SHIT. In other words, you spew quite a line of shit, so at this point, if you think I'm going to believe you that Dearbornistan is some kind of wonderful rose garden where unicorns dance around shitting rainbows and muslims are all the most prized, well behaved citizens America could ever want, you're dumber than a sack of dog shit... which is what I think is the case. You muslim coddlers and liars about what they are and what their agenda is are just as disgusting as they are, and just as unAmerican.

[michiganFats]

You're a jackass, pure and simple, and if you want to burn a fucking koran in America, you should be free to do so.

How in the FUCK do you know what I do and don't watch? You stalking my house and spying in my windows 24/7? You got a magical crystal ball?

I also never "INSISTED" youtube was an "irrefutable source." It appears you have quite the knack for making things up. What I did say, in fact, was first agreeing with you that there was plenty of bull shit on youtube, but, now JUST FOR YOU, AGAIN, I am ONLY concerned, you get that now, ONLY concerned with the validity of the videos I POSTED, and it appears you can't DISPUTE their VALIDITY at all. You can only keep making things up and spewing stupid blanket statements.

One thing I've learned for SURE now, is that you are SHIT TALKER. You put words in people's mouth, you accuse them of doing things they didn't, you purport you know what they do and don't do, and it's pure HORSE SHIT. In other words, you spew quite a line of shit, so at this point, if you think I'm going to believe you that Dearbornistan is some kind of wonderful rose garden where unicorns dance around shitting rainbows and muslims are all the most prized, well behaved citizens America could ever want, you're dumber than a sack of dog shit... which is what I think is the case. You muslim coddlers and liars about what they are and what their agenda is are just as disgusting as they are, and just as unAmerican.

Just to let you know, I'm not reading your responses anymore. I'm interested in what Jim and Tyr have to say but you act exactly like the people you claim to hate and rant against. I've said all I have to say to you unless you decide to actually talk about your Opening Post, then maybe, but until that happens you can refer to the last response I gave you.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Just to let you know, I'm not reading your responses anymore. I'm interested in what Jim and Tyr have to say but you act exactly like the people you claim to hate and rant against. I've said all I have to say to you unless you decide to actually talk about your Opening Post, then maybe, but until that happens you can refer to the last response I gave you.
Now you want to act like a spanked child? I don't give a damn. But at least you found out the hard way, I give what I get. The way I've responded to you is because of the way you responded to ME. You started with your nasty little mouth and talked your shit, now you want to pretend you're pure as the driven snow. Pfft... whatever...

You are obviously a big muslim lover and you'll attack anyone that isn't. I wouldn't doubt you're a muslim yourself and belong to a mosque. Of course you'd deny that because hey, lying is OK for a muslim if it helps them further their caliphate/sharia muslim agenda of taking over wherever they're at.

But as I said before, the thread was about a "MUSLIM," the whole point of this thread was BECAUSE he was a "MUSLIM," so any branched conversations about other "MUSLIMS" is WELL within reason. YOU are unreasonable. You act like a child.

[jimnyc]

Jim, I already responded to this post but I'm doing it again. I mentioned in my first reply that the stoning video had been discredited. I found the material I'd read about this when it happened so now I'll post so you can take a look see if you feel like it.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christandpopculture/2013/05/muslims-stoning-christians-in-michigan-not-quite-updated/#disqus_thread

This is a blog and the article has been reposted on other blogs but this is the original source. I'm not asking you to take this authors word on anything, the reason I'm posting this is because he has linked to several videos and snippets showing how this incident was reported on by various sources so instead of putting up all of the links myself I just linked to his post. He also has a link to the original, unedited video and uses that to compare what happened to what some other videos and articles said happened including the America West video you linked to. Just a warning, if you do want to watch the original video it's an hour long so I don't blame you if you don't want to watch it but it's there if you want to.

I wasn't there for either of these festivals but I have been to many weekend festivals in Dearborn over the years and this type of incitement has been common since 9/11. The pig head on a stick mentioned in the article makes a regular appearance, street preachers (with cameras) trying to incite violence happens with regularity, I've even seen people sneak around buildings and toss pork on people or dead pigs in the street. I'm honestly surprised there isn't far more violence at these festivals considering how hard some people try to incite it.

If you do read this article and the comments you'll notice the author admitting that he writes his posts to appeal to a specific audience, and that is why I also don't trust Youtube videos, too many of them do the same thing. The video you posted was 22 minutes long, there is another one that is only 5 minutes long, the people who shot and edited the video were also playing to their audience. The video wasn't shot and edited to tell the truth or reflect reality, it was done to appeal to an audience who already wanted to see that final, edited product exactly as it was released.

I'll get back to the rest, just wanted to point out - nowhere in your link do they deny the rock throwing at christians, only that the police DID get involved, that SOME muslims did work to quiet things down... but nothing that disproves or shows that the rock throwing at the christians didn't happen, which it did, and that was the primary point. I have no problem with anyone, or either side in this instance, speaking their minds or whatever - but when violence gets into the picture, then it's a major problem.

I'm not going crazy about Dearborn as much as pointing out that this is often what you see from muslims in their neighborhoods if you are unwanted. They don't like outsiders among them. And if pushed...

Apparently muslims made up about 30% of Dearborn in 2000 as per the census. It appears to be about 40% in 2012. I can't find the latest exact numbers. Very large in comparison to other major muslim communities around the nation. This doesn't automatically equate to violence, sharia, quran, death and other things - but I wouldn't want to live there myself and find out!! :laugh:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

This is EXACTLY how they do it...

“We were lied to,” she said. “We were told it would never be turned into a mosque.”
But Sakrul Islam of the center said no one ever said it would not be a mosque, saying an Islamic center “covers everything.”
He warned Marsh that if she continued claiming she was lied to he would file a defamation lawsuit.
He also denied accusations that the call to prayer was broadcast earlier than 6 a.m. Islam said he has since turned down the volume when the police department informed him of the complaints.
Islam accused City Councilmember Robert Zwolak, who lives in the apartment complex, of whipping up complaints.
“He’s against Muslims,” he said. (SEE PHASE ONE BELOW.)


http://www.thehamtramckreview.com/residents-complain-that-call-to-prayer-is-too-loud/

https://image.ibb.co/muLbUv/evil.jpg

[michiganFats]

I'll get back to the rest, just wanted to point out - nowhere in your link do they deny the rock throwing at christians, only that the police DID get involved, that SOME muslims did work to quiet things down... but nothing that disproves or shows that the rock throwing at the christians didn't happen, which it did, and that was the primary point. I have no problem with anyone, or either side in this instance, speaking their minds or whatever - but when violence gets into the picture, then it's a major problem.

No one was stoned, the police report said the worst thing anyone was hit by was a water bottle. I'm not condoning the violence but I also don't feel sorry for people who seek trouble and then find it.


I'm not going crazy about Dearborn as much as pointing out that this is often what you see from muslims in their neighborhoods if you are unwanted. They don't like outsiders among them. And if pushed...

You know this from being in muslim neighborhoods or from Youtube?


Apparently muslims made up about 30% of Dearborn in 2000 as per the census.

The census doesn't ask about religion and the census counts Arabs as White so neither of those could be per the census. Per the 2010 census Dearborn is 85.7% White.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/dearborncitymichigan/PST045216


It appears to be about 40% in 2012. I can't find the latest exact numbers.

Same thing. The census doesn't ask those questions and also only happens once every ten years so it would be 2010, we have to wait until 2020 for more.


Very large in comparison to other major muslim communities around the nation. This doesn't automatically equate to violence, sharia, quran, death and other things - but I wouldn't want to live there myself and find out!! :laugh:

Best guess estimates put the Arab population in Dearborn at about 29,000 out of about 98,000 for the whole city. That's the Arab population, not the muslim population. The Lebanese are dominant in Dearborn and half of them are Christian.

Jim, if you really want to read into a city that even in my opinion may be more like what you seem to want to believe then forget about Dearborn, you want to read up on Hamtramck.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

No one was stoned, the police report said the worst thing anyone was hit by was a water bottle. I'm not condoning the violence but I also don't feel sorry for people who seek trouble and then find it.



You know this from being in muslim neighborhoods or from Youtube?



The census doesn't ask about religion and the census counts Arabs as White so neither of those could be per the census. Per the 2010 census Dearborn is 85.7% White.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/dearborncitymichigan/PST045216


Same thing. The census doesn't ask those questions and also only happens once every ten years so it would be 2010, we have to wait until 2020 for more.



Best guess estimates put the Arab population in Dearborn at about 29,000 out of about 98,000 for the whole city. That's the Arab population, not the muslim population. The Lebanese are dominant in Dearborn and half of them are Christian.

Jim, if you really want to read into a city that even in my opinion may be more like what you seem to want to believe then forget about Dearborn, you want to read up on Hamtramck.
----------------- :lol:

[jimnyc]

No one was stoned, the police report said the worst thing anyone was hit by was a water bottle. I'm not condoning the violence but I also don't feel sorry for people who seek trouble and then find it.

I don't agree with violence towards folks who are NOT being violent themselves. You're free to disagree. :)


You know this from being in muslim neighborhoods or from Youtube?

A lifetime of videos on a lot more than youtube, and on the major news media over the past 40 years. Also a fair amount with my own eyes among my travels, and also a lot of extensive research. Seriously, let's not go overboard, be sarcastic and assume Jim doesn't know what he talks about, simply because I posted a video from Youtube that you may not agree with.


The census doesn't ask about religion and the census counts Arabs as White so neither of those could be per the census. Per the 2010 census Dearborn is 85.7% White.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/dearborncitymichigan/PST045216

If Arabs are counted as white, then pointing out the white population actually points out nothing then. I will defer to you, I really don't care about the exact numbers, nor are exact numbers necessary to prove their inability to assimilate or any of the things I pointed out that I don't care for. But the population being so large is something that is covered by basically every media agency in the states, so whether the numbers I stated are off or not, I assume there IS a very large population of muslims in Dearborn out of the approx. 100,000 folks living there.


Same thing. The census doesn't ask those questions and also only happens once every ten years so it would be 2010, we have to wait until 2020 for more.

Ok


Best guess estimates put the Arab population in Dearborn at about 29,000 out of about 98,000 for the whole city. That's the Arab population, not the muslim population. The Lebanese are dominant in Dearborn and half of them are Christian.

Jim, if you really want to read into a city that even in my opinion may be more like what you seem to want to believe then forget about Dearborn, you want to read up on Hamtramck.

Ok. I wasn't trying to debate you on how bad/great Dearborn is. My input is more concerning the muslim population and their tendencies, and I tried to point out the best I could that it's not all, and that it's not something special about Dearborn, as I see the same in most muslim populations.

Almost every "white" or major American cities are mostly inviting to all, and the businesses are inviting to all, and ownership mixed all over. Folks that are mixed of the "melting pot" and everyone pretty much assimilates to America. But I've been in quite a few muslim populations, and many not only haven't assimilated in any way, they have no desire too, they WANT to have their 100% muslim lifestyle, with muslim traditions and muslim rules/laws, even if not honored by the American legal system. Again, not EVERY muslim and not every single area.

The best local example I can give, to my area, is a large portion of Queens. There is a large area where it's likely about 100% muslims. Every shop is muslim owned and operated. I went with my muslim buddy as he needed to get some goods for his Mom as a favor. I wasn't attacked or harassed and I still have my head!! :) But I may have well went to Iran or wherever. Zero English spoken and wouldn't speak any English with me when I attempted, so my friend had to speak with them for me. Women wearing the full burqas, and some wearing just the veils. But I didn't see a single woman with her face exposed. I didn't see a single child, but I did see you teenagers and other young adults. Not a "bad" place, but not a place to go if one is American and only speaks English and expects any form of assimilation. The folks there run on muslim customs and traditions, and a great deal of their "laws" are based on sharia, even if the local government wouldn't enforce such.

[michiganFats]

I don't agree with violence towards folks who are NOT being violent themselves. You're free to disagree. :)

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I think inciting violence and then being on the receiving end leaves you no room to complain.



A lifetime of videos on a lot more than youtube, and on the major news media over the past 40 years. Also a fair amount with my own eyes among my travels, and also a lot of extensive research. Seriously, let's not go overboard, be sarcastic and assume Jim doesn't know what he talks about, simply because I posted a video from Youtube that you may not agree with.

You've seen a lifetime of videos over the last 40 years about muslim controlled neighborhoods in the United States of America? And I didn't just focus on a video I disagreed with, I also posted the original, unedited video. I did that to show how Youtube videos, and others, can be edited to deceive.


If Arabs are counted as white, then pointing out the white population actually points out nothing then. I will defer to you, I really don't care about the exact numbers, nor are exact numbers necessary to prove their inability to assimilate or any of the things I pointed out that I don't care for. But the population being so large is something that is covered by basically every media agency in the states, so whether the numbers I stated are off or not, I assume there IS a very large population of muslims in Dearborn out of the approx. 100,000 folks living there.

I'm not asking you to defer to me, what the census does and does not count is not a matter of opinion. You're right about the white population, all it really means is not hispanic, black, asian, or indigenous.



Ok ...uh, ok...:laugh:




Ok. I wasn't trying to debate you on how bad/great Dearborn is. My input is more concerning the muslim population and their tendencies, and I tried to point out the best I could that it's not all, and that it's not something special about Dearborn, as I see the same in most muslim populations.

I realize that you hold no grudge against Dearborn but as I've pointed out, to no avail, it is not a muslim population. Yes, there are a lot of muslims there but they're not dominant.


Almost every "white" or major American cities are mostly inviting to all, and the businesses are inviting to all, and ownership mixed all over. Folks that are mixed of the "melting pot" and everyone pretty much assimilates to America. But I've been in quite a few muslim populations, and many not only haven't assimilated in any way, they have no desire too, they WANT to have their 100% muslim lifestyle, with muslim traditions and muslim rules/laws, even if not honored by the American legal system. Again, not EVERY muslim and not every single area.

Once again, as I've pointed out, most of the Arab families in that city have been here longer than most of the white families. Believe me when I tell you, they have assimilated.


The best local example I can give, to my area, is a large portion of Queens. There is a large area where it's likely about 100% muslims. Every shop is muslim owned and operated. I went with my muslim buddy as he needed to get some goods for his Mom as a favor. I wasn't attacked or harassed and I still have my head!! :) But I may have well went to Iran or wherever. Zero English spoken and wouldn't speak any English with me when I attempted, so my friend had to speak with them for me. Women wearing the full burqas, and some wearing just the veils. But I didn't see a single woman with her face exposed. I didn't see a single child, but I did see you teenagers and other young adults. Not a "bad" place, but not a place to go if one is American and only speaks English and expects any form of assimilation. The folks there run on muslim customs and traditions, and a great deal of their "laws" are based on sharia, even if the local government wouldn't enforce such.

I can't discuss Queens with you because I don't know anything at all about Queens but I can tell you this; if I watched a video on Youtube about Queens I might not take it at face value.

And I wasn't kidding about Hamtramck, that's the city you need to read about.

[jimnyc]

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I think inciting violence and then being on the receiving end leaves you no room to complain.

Except one is lawful and one is not.


You've seen a lifetime of videos over the last 40 years about muslim controlled neighborhoods in the United States of America? And I didn't just focus on a video I disagreed with, I also posted the original, unedited video. I did that to show how Youtube videos, and others, can be edited to deceive.

I'll stop here as you didn't read what I wrote apparently, and you must have stopped at "videos". But I wrote that my experience and knowledge was from more than that. But once folks start ignoring what the other wrote and advancing forward with a "debate" by controlling it and ignoring what the other wrote, no point going further. If you want to make it sound as if "all my knowledge is from a youtube video or videos" alone, than so be it, I can't change your mind, nor do I care to.

[michiganFats]

Except one is lawful and one is not.



I'll stop here as you didn't read what I wrote apparently, and you must have stopped at "videos". But I wrote that my experience and knowledge was from more than that. But once folks start ignoring what the other wrote and advancing forward with a "debate" by controlling it and ignoring what the other wrote, no point going further. If you want to make it sound as if "all my knowledge is from a youtube video or videos" alone, than so be it, I can't change your mind, nor do I care to.

I did read what you wrote but the only experience not video related you actually talked about was Queens. But I agree on the stopping here part, this has gotten to the point where everything which would be said has been said.

One more time though, I'm serious about Hamtramck. There is a city councilman in this area who did call for Sharia law in muslim neighborhoods but he wasn't from Dearborn, and that city is demographically very different from Dearborn but Hamtramck is very small so no one pays attention to what's happening there.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

But once folks start ignoring what the other wrote and advancing forward with a "debate" by controlling it and ignoring what the other wrote, no point going further. If you want to make it sound as if "all my knowledge is from a youtube video or videos" alone, than so be it, I can't change your mind, nor do I care to.
Yep... the guy repeats himself as if you said nothing, and then accuses you of something you didn't say or do, acts as though you must have been born yesterday, and that gets old fast.