Trump Says Transgender People Will Not Be Allowed in the Military

[jimnyc]

Excellent! Let the gays and whoever do as they please in their bedrooms. But I'm sorry, if you're a tranny, you're simply not cut for the military. If this ever gets challenged and changed, it should be ONLY for those that finalized the process. But I'd rather it just remain banned, and all of our men and women safer.

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Trump Says Transgender People Will Not Be Allowed in the Military

WASHINGTON — President Trump announced on Wednesday that the United States will no longer “accept or allow” transgender people in the United States military, saying American forces “must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory” and could not afford to accommodate them.

Mr. Trump made the surprise declaration in a series of posts on Twitter, saying he had come to the decision after talking to generals and military experts, whom he did not name.

http://i.imgur.com/adcRsX6.jpg

The sweeping policy decision was met with surprise at the Pentagon, outrage from advocacy groups and praise from social conservatives. It reverses the gradual transformation of the military under President Barack Obama, whose administration announced last year that transgender people could serve openly in the military. Mr. Obama’s defense secretary, Ashton B. Carter, also opened all combat roles to women and appointed the first openly gay Army secretary.

Mr. Trump’s decision to announce a substantial policy change on Twitter raised immediate questions about how the shift would be put into effect and what would happen to openly transgender people on active duty. The Pentagon referred questions to the White House, where several officials did not immediately respond to questions about the reasoning and timing behind Mr. Trump’s decision.

Rest here - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/trump-transgender-military.html

[pete311]

Excellent! Let the gays and whoever do as they please in their bedrooms. But I'm sorry, if you're a tranny, you're simply not cut for the military. If this ever gets challenged and changed, it should be ONLY for those that finalized the process. But I'd rather it just remain banned, and all of our men and women safer.

What does being a tranny have to do with being cut for the military? Not seeing the connection.

Kristin Beck, transgender Navy SEAL hero: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/26/kristin-beck-transgender-navy-seal-hero-slams-trump-over-military-ban/23049265/

[jimnyc]

What does being a tranny have to do with being cut for the military? Not seeing the connection.

Kristin Beck, transgender Navy SEAL hero: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/26/kristin-beck-transgender-navy-seal-hero-slams-trump-over-military-ban/23049265/

Do you think one person kinda fucked in the head is going to change anything? :laugh:

To me, no different than a mental disorder. In fact, I'm convinced that it is. And on all levels of such disorders, they should be looked at and determine if this is a good fit for the military or not.

Like I said, I'll be better with the trans that join, so long as it's those that have sought out and completed all surgeries involved.

[pete311]

Do you think one person kinda fucked in the head is going to change anything? :laugh:

To me, no different than a mental disorder. In fact, I'm convinced that it is. And on all levels of such disorders, they should be looked at and determine if this is a good fit for the military or not.

Like I said, I'll be better with the trans that join, so long as it's those that have sought out and completed all surgeries involved.

lol mental disorders? You know the military is the best at giving people mental disorders and then not taking care of them.

[jimnyc]

lol mental disorders? You know the military is the best at giving people mental disorders and then not taking care of them.

Yes, mental disorders. And that's why in so many places these folks MUST seek out psychiatric help to determine if this is REALLY what they want to do. And SO many end up with long term psychiatric assistance, and SO many live in regret. Look it up before you shake your head. Facts are facts.

[pete311]

Yes, mental disorders. And that's why in so many places these folks MUST seek out psychiatric help to determine if this is REALLY what they want to do. And SO many end up with long term psychiatric assistance, and SO many live in regret. Look it up before you shake your head. Facts are facts.

Where are your facts that show transgender in the miltary cause problems and are a risk on the battlefield?

[pete311]

More is spent on penis pills than transition
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.efd98c9abc4f

Pentagon caught surprised
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/26/trump-blindsides-pentagon-in-transgender-policy-shift/

Trump said he would fight for the LGBT. Total bullshit
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/742771576039460864


At today's press conference SHS couldn't offer any implementation details and didn't know what would happen to the current soldiers. Total amateurs.

[jimnyc]

Where are your facts that show transgender in the miltary cause problems and are a risk on the battlefield?

I never stated as much. Some risks and precautions are always taken without having things on the battlefield first. What are the numbers to show serial murderers are a problem? What about marijuana smokers? Regardless, the decision was made, deal with it. :)

[jimnyc]

More is spent on penis pills than transition
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.efd98c9abc4f

Pentagon caught surprised
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/26/trump-blindsides-pentagon-in-transgender-policy-shift/

Trump said he would fight for the LGBT. Total bullshit
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/742771576039460864


At today's press conference SHS couldn't offer any implementation details and didn't know what would happen to the current soldiers. Total amateurs.

And yet, repeat this with me, Pete - tranny's are not allowed in the military!!

But I'll give you some advice. If you don't like this decision, you are MORE than free to fight for changes, call your congressman/woman and then maybe even go march in Washington!!

[jimnyc]

Nothing has changed since this was officially listed in the books. Now, today, anyone that dare not disagree with the queers and their supporters, will get bombarded publicly and privately.

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;' Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.

He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people. Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”

Rest here - http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

[jimnyc]

Kristin Beck, transgender Navy SEAL hero: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/26/kristin-beck-transgender-navy-seal-hero-slams-trump-over-military-ban/23049265/

I'm sure we can both find single folks out there willing to speak their minds.

Former Transgender: Trump 'Made Right Decision,' 'Military Is a Fighting Force, Not a Gender Clinic'

A man who lived for eight years as a transgender female says President Donald Trump did the right thing for the U.S. military, as well as for all Americans, by banning transgenders from serving in the military.

Walt Heyer, who has transitioned back to his birth gender, writes in a commentary that his personal experience leads him to support Trump’s announcement:


“I think he made the right decision—and as someone who lived as trans-female for several years, I should know."

Heyer says allowing transgenders to serve is “devastating…to the fitness, readiness, and moral of our combat read troops.”

“The military is a Fighting Force, Not a Gender Clinic,” Heyer says, adding that concept of taxpayer-funded transition surgery for service members defies logic:


“Paying for transition-related surgeries for military service members and their families is beyond comprehensible.”

Rest here - http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/former-transgender-trump-made-right-decision-military-fighting-force-not-gender

[jimnyc]

Amputee Iraq War Vet’s Tweet Storm Defending Military Ban On Transgenders

President Trump’s decision to ban transgenders from serving in the U.S. military has created a firestorm across the country. J.R. Salzman, an amputee Iraq War veteran, took to Twitter to defend the decision and the thread is going viral.

“I served in Iraq in 2006. For the first five months I was on a 12 man firebase out in the middle of nowhere in the desert.”

“Everyday was Groundhog Day. Wake up and do the same patrols, the same shifts, every single day. It was so damn hot. 150° in the gun trucks.”

“Tracer fire would go overhead occasionally at night. IED’s on the road were a daily threat. We got resupplied food every 8 days.”

“QRF was an hour away. After they made the minimum three gun truck rule after the guys got kidnapped, life got harder.”

“The stress of being out there and doing the same job every single day eats away at you. The younger guys had problems with that overtime.”

“Any tiny little personal issue they had suddenly became a mountain. And that shit came out on that fire base. And they snapped mentally.”

“After stepping on each other’s nuts living in the same can for five months, guys were at each other’s throats. The stress made it worse.”

“Guys would literally snap over a dear John letter. Their personal issues came out and they were instantly combat ineffective.”

“Now take someone confused about whether they are a man/woman. Take those psychological and emotional issues and put them in that environment”

“Take someone who is right off the bat not uniform or part of the same team. Give them special treatment because of their identity.”

“You have to be incredibly tough mentally, physically and emotionally. War is not a f*cking video game. It tests every ounce of your being.”

“You can’t teach someone to be a fearless warrior in a f*cking PowerPoint. You either have it or you don’t. You can hack it or you can’t.”

“We had guys who couldn’t. When faced with combat situations they crumbled. They had mental and emotional issues. They were a liability.”

“To be successful at war, you have to become a warrior mentally, physically, and emotionally. You can’t fake it and go through the motions.”

“In war if it comes down to kill or be killed, and you hesitate, you’re dead. It’s a simple as that. It’s not a f*cking video game.”

“War is no place for people who are mentally, emotionally, or physically confused or in turmoil. You have your shit together, or you don’t.”

“And if you don’t, you’ll just get people needlessly killed. Political correctness has absolutely no place in the military.”

“Enough for now. This one armed veteran has a business to run. Unlike Iran, the country that took my arm, Obama didn’t pay me millions.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/must-read-amputee-iraq-war-vets-tweet-storm-defending-military-ban-transgenders-going-viral/

[aboutime]

Has anyone noticed how petey instantly came to the defense of the Tranny Lifestyle here? Petey has no room to talk when it comes to serving in the Military. Rejects always have the most negatives to spew while pretending to be something they will never be.

[Gunny]

Where are your facts that show transgender in the miltary cause problems and are a risk on the battlefield?How many you want? I got the whole laundry list, bubba.

[Gunny]

Has anyone noticed how petey instantly came to the defense of the Tranny Lifestyle here? Petey has no room to talk when it comes to serving in the Military. Rejects always have the most negatives to spew while pretending to be something they will never be.More noticeable from my geographical POV:

Trump totally trainwrecked the "big, bad March on Austin" the MSM couldn't shut up about yesterday. It made hour #2 today. Cowboys training camp even made the first hour.

I'd LOVE to think Trump did it on purpose.:lmao:

[aboutime]

Where are your facts that show transgender in the miltary cause problems and are a risk on the battlefield?


Better yet petey. How bout you show us all YOUR FACTS that show Transgender in the Military DOESN'T cause problems, and are NOT a risk on the battlefield??

Obviously...since you claim to be expert on the subject. You can only imagine Battlefield
conditions, while leaving out the other thousands of other situations, like Shipboard life,
close quarters, limited to male and female berthing, and bathroom facilities. Not to mention how WE THE PEOPLE who pay the taxes to support the Military...DO NOT WANT OUR MILITARY MEDICAL SERVICES tied down by EXPENSIVE operations to REMOVE MALE, or FEMALE genitalia!

[pete311]

Better yet petey. How bout you show us all YOUR FACTS that show Transgender in the Military DOESN'T cause problems, and are NOT a risk on the battlefield??

Can't prove a negative dumbass

[revelarts]

SO Trump is saying that Klinger should have gotten the "section 8" out of Korea and the military i guess.

https://s15-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fusdefensewatch.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F04%2Fklinger.jpeg&sp=c91669aac4356cf46ae528caa51335e9

[pete311]

Furthermore, Trump made the decision off of cost, not anything else. The transition treatment cost $9M. In 6 months Trump spent $20M traveling to Mar A Lago. Go ahead and try defending that.

[Black Diamond]

SO Trump is saying that Klinger should have gotten the "section 8" out of Korea and the military i guess.

https://s15-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fusdefensewatch.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F04%2Fklinger.jpeg&sp=c91669aac4356cf46ae528caa51335e9
Back to Toledo.

[darin]

Furthermore, Trump made the decision off of cost, not anything else. The transition treatment cost $9M. In 6 months Trump spent $20M traveling to Mar A Lago. Go ahead and try defending that.

Cost is more than mere dollars. And the numbers you cite don't account for reality - they are projections. AND the numbers don't account for the folks the "transgender" (I use it in quotes because it's a stupid concept) impact. How much does "readiness" cost? How much does "cohesion" cost? How much does it cost to pull people out of their organization and give them special-snowflake treatment.

The SEAL you mentioned earlier? He IS unfit for service. He wasn't always.

[darin]

Couple good FB replies on the subject:


If their minds are focused on gender transformation then they are not mission ready. Their mind isn't in the right place for it. If their transformation requires surgery, hormone replacement, down time and other accommodations then they are endangering everyone around them. Same thing with someone on profile who can't hang. They get sent on their way or denied entirely.


I don't give a shit what someone wants to do with their body or what they like in bed. As long as it's on their time, their dime and not risking the well being of others or the mission capabilities then, rock the fuck on. It absolutely has no place in the military though.

I am eager to see the PFC who decides after years of soul-searching she self-identifies as a CW4 because it's who she was 'born to be'..not her fault she entered her (military) life with simply the wrong hardware on her chest. I mean the LAST thing we could EVER do after all that baby-killin' back in 'Nam was to hurt somebody's FEELINGS by not allowing them to game the system ISO their new personal revelations.

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQy70_LPS4

former military guy defends Jenner and himself and threatens to beat the CRAP out of a guy (Ben Shapario) that calls him "HIM" and tries to use BIOLOGY to explain that Transgenderism is a Delusions.

there is NO reasoning with Crazy people and those that support the crazy talk by going along with the idea that a person thinks they are Napoleon or a woman or a dog.

Science can't beat Crazy. Practitical can't be crazy.

[darin]

That's because tolerance defined by today's progressives is this: Anyone who shows the courage - I mean 'hate' - to disagree with their world view deserves violent attack.

[pete311]

Cost is more than mere dollars. And the numbers you cite don't account for reality - they are projections. AND the numbers don't account for the folks the "transgender" (I use it in quotes because it's a stupid concept) impact. How much does "readiness" cost? How much does "cohesion" cost? How much does it cost to pull people out of their organization and give them special-snowflake treatment.

The SEAL you mentioned earlier? He IS unfit for service. He wasn't always.

Trump is talking about $ cost. That was his reason. Don't make up reasons.

[pete311]

Couple good FB replies on the subject:

I am eager to see the PFC who decides after years of soul-searching she self-identifies as a CW4 because it's who she was 'born to be'..not her fault she entered her (military) life with simply the wrong hardware on her chest. I mean the LAST thing we could EVER do after all that baby-killin' back in 'Nam was to hurt somebody's FEELINGS by not allowing them to game the system ISO their new personal revelations.

No they aren't good and don't reflect any reality, just someone's day dream reasoning. In the end we've already found out this policy was in trade for support to get funding for the wall. Nothing more. Swamp politics as usual.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-transgender-ban-wall-642456

[darin]

Trump is talking about $ cost. That was his reason. Don't make up reasons.

Its like you want the whole picture only when it suits your opinion.


No they aren't good and don't reflect any reality, just someone's day dream reasoning. In the end we've already found out this policy was in trade for support to get funding for the wall. Nothing more. Swamp politics as usual.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-transgender-ban-wall-642456

Or maybe it's because unlike Obama, Trump respects the Military enough to keep from using them as a god damn social experiment. Those quotes? They are spot-on and they are part-and-parcel the opinion of the warfighters. While my experience with the warfighter is not scientific, my impression of their opinions is spot-on. Consider me an expert :)

[pete311]

Or maybe it's because unlike Obama, Trump respects the Military enough to keep from using them as a god damn social experiment. Those quotes? They are spot-on and they are part-and-parcel the opinion of the warfighters. While my experience with the warfighter is not scientific, my impression of their opinions is spot-on. Consider me an expert :)

You speak for Trump now? He traded the policy for wall funding. Stop making up other reasons. It's not even clear if this policy will be implemented. Apparently the pentagon found out via Twitter.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Amputee Iraq War Vet’s Tweet Storm Defending Military Ban On Transgenders

President Trump’s decision to ban transgenders from serving in the U.S. military has created a firestorm across the country. J.R. Salzman, an amputee Iraq War veteran, took to Twitter to defend the decision and the thread is going viral.

“I served in Iraq in 2006. For the first five months I was on a 12 man firebase out in the middle of nowhere in the desert.”

“Everyday was Groundhog Day. Wake up and do the same patrols, the same shifts, every single day. It was so damn hot. 150° in the gun trucks.”

“Tracer fire would go overhead occasionally at night. IED’s on the road were a daily threat. We got resupplied food every 8 days.”

“QRF was an hour away. After they made the minimum three gun truck rule after the guys got kidnapped, life got harder.”

“The stress of being out there and doing the same job every single day eats away at you. The younger guys had problems with that overtime.”

“Any tiny little personal issue they had suddenly became a mountain. And that shit came out on that fire base. And they snapped mentally.”

“After stepping on each other’s nuts living in the same can for five months, guys were at each other’s throats. The stress made it worse.”

“Guys would literally snap over a dear John letter. Their personal issues came out and they were instantly combat ineffective.”

“Now take someone confused about whether they are a man/woman. Take those psychological and emotional issues and put them in that environment”

“Take someone who is right off the bat not uniform or part of the same team. Give them special treatment because of their identity.”

“You have to be incredibly tough mentally, physically and emotionally. War is not a f*cking video game. It tests every ounce of your being.”

“You can’t teach someone to be a fearless warrior in a f*cking PowerPoint. You either have it or you don’t. You can hack it or you can’t.”

“We had guys who couldn’t. When faced with combat situations they crumbled. They had mental and emotional issues. They were a liability.”

“To be successful at war, you have to become a warrior mentally, physically, and emotionally. You can’t fake it and go through the motions.”

“In war if it comes down to kill or be killed, and you hesitate, you’re dead. It’s a simple as that. It’s not a f*cking video game.”

“War is no place for people who are mentally, emotionally, or physically confused or in turmoil. You have your shit together, or you don’t.”

“And if you don’t, you’ll just get people needlessly killed. Political correctness has absolutely no place in the military.”

“Enough for now. This one armed veteran has a business to run. Unlike Iran, the country that took my arm, Obama didn’t pay me millions.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/must-read-amputee-iraq-war-vets-tweet-storm-defending-military-ban-transgenders-going-viral/

Brave and honest war hero speaks the truth.
What is next?
Shall we allow and/or promote the recruitment of others with mental problems ..
I do not give a damn if the person was/is a Navy seal, its challenge would have not have gone unanswered if made to me centuries ago back when I was in my early twenties.
Even now I'd tell it to its face it is a fkked up piece work.
Truth, honor, integrity, bravery and sanity all go together. If one denies their birth status, then there is a screw loose somewhere and they are by all logic and commonsense -- truly defective mentally..
We are crazy to promote mental defectives in our military.

Thank you for your post as it gave cause for me to rant a bit and wake up a bit out of my melancholy.
And remember what it is that I oppose------ the insanity of the lib/dems and their constant alliance with our nation's enemies(muslims and others) and the corrupt criminal and mental defectives in this nation.--Tyr

[pete311]

Brave and honest war hero speaks the truth.
What is next?
Shall we allow and/or promote the recruitment of others with mental problems ..
I do not give a damn if the person was/is a Navy seal, its challenge would have not have gone unanswered if made to me centuries ago back when I was in my early twenties.
Even now I'd tell it to its face it is a fkked up piece work.
Truth, honor, integrity, bravery and sanity all go together. If one denies their birth status, then there is a screw loose somewhere and they are by all logic and commonsense -- truly defective mentally..
We are crazy to promote mental defectives in our military.

Thank you for your post as it gave cause for me to rant a bit and wake up a bit out of my melancholy.
And remember what it is that I oppose------ the insanity of the lib/dems and their constant alliance with our nation's enemies(muslims and others) and the corrupt criminal and mental defectives in this nation.--Tyr

I'm sure plenty of other low level mental disorders are accepted like ADD or OCD? I don't know, you tell me. In any case, that was not Trump's reason. It's purely financial. Why do you keep repeating it?

[darin]

You speak for Trump now? He traded the policy for wall funding. Stop making up other reasons. It's not even clear if this policy will be implemented. Apparently the pentagon found out via Twitter.

why would you think I speak for trump now? That's odd.

I'm saying, I suppose, a couple things:

1st - GOOD DECISION. "Transexuals" have enough fucked-up-ness to not try and carry that into Service. Get their shit done first. On their time. On their dime. Then, if they meet the tests for their birth-gender, and otherwise are of good health - go for it.

2nd - It's been decided. Get over it.

It's not clear to whom? Do you have an inside track to the pentagon?

[revelarts]

One former transgender man's opinion


I think he made the right decision—and as someone who lived as trans-female for several years, I should know.

When I discovered Congress voted earlier this month to not block funding for transgender-related hormone therapies and sex change surgeries, I wondered if it considered how devastating this will be to the fitness, readiness, and morale of our combat-ready troops.
In July, the House of Representatives voted down Missouri Republican Rep. Vicky Hartzler’s amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, which would have banned the military from funding such treatments.

Paying for transition-related surgeries for military service members and their families is beyond comprehensible.
Perhaps they have forgotten that our military was forged to be the world’s strongest fighting force, not a government-funded, politically correct, medical sex change clinic for people with gender dysphoria.

The military is expected to prepare its members in warfare: to kill, destroy, and break our enemies. The most important factors in preparing a strong military are not hormone therapy, surgical sex changes, or politically correct education.
We need psychologically fit, emotionally sound, highly trained troops to protect our nation from its enemies.
While countless homeless vets are currently sleeping under cardboard boxes, or waiting for life-saving care from the Department of Veterans Affairs, we learn that transgender military recruits now qualify for preferential coverage for sex change procedures that are scientifically unproven and extremely costly.

Transitioning can be expensive—up to $130,000 per person for numerous body-mutilating and cosmetic procedures over many months (or years) to fashion the body to appear as the opposite sex.
Yet, no matter how skilled the surgeon, or how much money is spent, it is biologically impossible to change a man into a woman or a woman into a man. The change is only cosmetic.
The medical community continues to recommend this radical “treatment” in the absence of scientific evidence that people are better off in the long run. This population attempts suicide at a rate of 40 percent.

The military should not provide sex change surgery.
Through my website, sexchangeregret.com, I hear from people who experienced firsthand how damaging and unnecessary reassignment surgeries were. For them, the sex change failed to resolve the emotional and psychological disorders that drove the desire to change gender.
Many write after living the transgender life for years. They write to ask for advice on how to reverse the original surgical change and restore their lives to the original birth gender like I did, a process called detransition.
Some service members will come to regret having undergone the surgery and will want to detransition. Where will the military be then? Will the military pay for the sex change reversal procedure, too?
Failed “sex change surgeries” are not uncommon and will drive up the cost to care for the military transgender population above the projected $3-4 billion 10-year cost.
Beyond the financial cost, there’s the question of the service member’s military readiness during their transition or detransition, as the process often comes with a great deal of anxiety and emotional instability.

I know of many who have struggled to adapt to the new gender role for years after reassignment surgery.
In my view, as a former trans-female who works every day with regretters, allowing the military to pay for sex change surgeries will make a mockery of the U.S. military.[/TD]

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/a...ision-military (http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/i-was-once-transgender-why-i-think-trump-made-right-decision-military)

[pete311]

why would you think I speak for trump now? That's odd.

I'm saying, I suppose, a couple things:

1st - GOOD DECISION. "Transexuals" have enough fucked-up-ness to not try and carry that into Service. Get their shit done first. On their time. On their dime. Then, if they meet the tests for their birth-gender, and otherwise are of good health - go for it.

2nd - It's been decided. Get over it.

It's not clear to whom? Do you have an inside track to the pentagon?

Because you are making claims Trump never has. You still are doing it with "1st" reason. Trump's claim was a money issue.
https://twitter.com/i/moments/890250846675415040

[darin]

Because you are making claims Trump never has. You still are doing it with "1st" reason. Trump's claim was a money issue.
https://twitter.com/i/moments/890250846675415040



Goofy. Youre being obtuse

[revelarts]

Pete, Trangenderision is SCIENCE DENIAL.
get real.
Transgenderism is delusional, It's ANTI the CLEAR BIOLOGICAL REALITY.
People believing they are a dog, a cat, a tree, Napoleon, 6 years old, or the opposite sex does not make it REALITY.
The objective Scientific facts are indisputable.

[pete311]

Pete, Trangenderision is SCIENCE DENIAL.
get real.
Transgenderism is delusional, It's ANTI the CLEAR BIOLOGICAL REALITY.
People believing they are a dog, a cat, a tree, Napoleon, 6 years old, or the opposite sex does not make it REALITY.
The objective Scientific facts are indisputable.

Cool story bro, now this has to do with the topic how?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQy70_LPS4

former military guy defends Jenner and himself and threatens to beat the CRAP out of a guy (Ben Shapario) that calls him "HIM" and tries to use BIOLOGY to explain that Transgenderism is a Delusions.

there is NO reasoning with Crazy people and those that support the crazy talk by going along with the idea that a person thinks they are Napoleon or a woman or a dog.

Science can't beat Crazy. Practitical can't be crazy.

Only in liberal/dem dumbass fantasy world is --- any child born as a male------- a she, or vice versa...
Jenner actually should be in a mental institution, IMHO. TREATED FOR --ITS-- INSANITY.. --TYR

[pete311]

Joint Chiefs chairman: "We will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect"

From CNN’s Barbara Starr and Ryan Browne:
In a memo to the military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said there will be "no modifications" to military policy on transgender troops (http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/trump-military-transgender-ban-joint-chiefs/index.html) until the Secretary of Defense issues guidance.
Gen. Joseph Dunford added, "We will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect."
Here's the full memo:
From: CJCS (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff)
To: Service Chiefs, Commanders and Senior Enlisted Leaders
I know there are questions about yesterday’s announcement on the transgender policy by the President. There will be no modifications to the current policy until the President’s direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued implementation guidelines.
In the meantime, we will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect. As importantly, given the current fight and the challenges we face, we will all remain focused on accomplishing our assigned missions.

[Black Diamond]

Screw CNN. and screw the trannies

[aboutime]

Back to Toledo.



Trump wouldn't have to say it. The Fictional Clinger from MASH was TRYING to get a Section 8 in every episode. Those who are now defending TRANNIES, or whatever you Politically correct idiots care to call them; probably are having Identity Crisis' of your own.
The Military of OBAMA had open door policies for DADT, and Trans. There is a new Commander-in-chief now, whose MOST IMPORTANT JOB is protecting America. And his best tools are MILITARY. For those who have to disagree. Suck it up. Or stop making promises to LEAVE, and just GET THE HELL OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR GOOD.

[Abbey Marie]

Screw CNN. and screw the trannies

Eww

[Abbey Marie]

Do you think one person kinda fucked in the head is going to change anything? :laugh:

To me, no different than a mental disorder. In fact, I'm convinced that it is. And on all levels of such disorders, they should be looked at and determine if this is a good fit for the military or not.

Like I said, I'll be better with the trans that join, so long as it's those that have sought out and completed all surgeries involved.

That would be better, but they will no doubt still need endless (and expensive) psychological therapy.

[Black Diamond]

Eww
Which? CNN or the trannies? :cool:

[Gunny]

Trump is talking about $ cost. That was his reason. Don't make up reasons.Cherrypicking to deflect from the topic. It clearly states he listened to his military advisors. Cost is but one facet of a broader topic you have chosen to single out and try selling as THE sole reason and topic.

The vet in Jim's post #12 pretty much clears any smoke and mirrors BS. We that have been there don't want no damned fags screwing up our units. And as AT pointed out, I damned sure don't want some jackass that's confused about what's between its legs in that sardine can they call berthing.

I'm a Marine. Not a fag Marine. Not a confused Marine. Not a "Swap-my Parts Mr Potato Head" Marine. A Marine. I have a mission. ANYTHING that detracts from accomplishing that mission needs to go work at Starbucks serving candy ass coffee where they belong.

[aboutime]

Cherrypicking to deflect from the topic. It clearly states he listened to his military advisors. Cost is but one facet of a broader topic you have chosen to single out and try selling as THE sole reason and topic.

The vet in Jim's post #12 pretty much clears any smoke and mirrors BS. We that have been there don't want no damned fags screwing up our units. And as AT pointed out, I damned sure don't want some jackass that's confused about what's between its legs in that sardine can they call berthing.

I'm a Marine. Not a fag Marine. Not a confused Marine. Not a "Swap-my Parts Mr Potato Head" Marine. A Marine. I have a mission. ANYTHING that detracts from accomplishing that mission needs to go work at Starbucks serving candy ass coffee where they belong.

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[Ricky Tavy]

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/20264828_461395507578574_8411303175467132085_n.jpg ?oh=19620400ad45427482c0b4aed9e8e7f0&oe=5A018209

[NightTrain]

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/20264828_461395507578574_8411303175467132085_n.jpg ?oh=19620400ad45427482c0b4aed9e8e7f0&oe=5A018209

That's true; but Bill Clinton isn't President anymore.

[Ricky Tavy]

That's true; but Bill Clinton isn't President anymore.

Or, even relevant, unlike the TWITter-in-chief. trump promised to protect LGBT rights and then threw them under the bus for political expediency. He needed something to distract from his other flaming bags of feces, and he needed to pander to TBagger fundamentalists in the House in exchange for them supporting spending on his silly wall and other things. What's another lie and throwing some more people under the bus compared to that?

[Black Diamond]

Or, even relevant, unlike the TWITter-in-chief. trump promised to protect LGBT rights and then threw them under the bus for political expediency. He needed something to distract from his other flaming bags of feces, and he needed to pander to TBagger fundamentalists in the House in exchange for them supporting spending on his silly wall and other things. What's another lie and throwing some more people under the bus compared to that?
Tissue?

[jimnyc]

Let them in and make special platoons and stick them all together on their own. If the "same", then no big deal, ad putting regular folks all together, no segregation or any crap like that. If folks cry segregation and other crap like that - I thought they were the "same" as everyone else?

[Ricky Tavy]

Tissue?

I'm not the one standing on a chair with my petticoats over my head because there's a transgender mouse in the room.

[Ricky Tavy]

Let them in and make special platoons and stick them all together on their own. If the "same", then no big deal, ad putting regular folks all together, no segregation or any crap like that. If folks cry segregation and other crap like that - I thought they were the "same" as everyone else?

Hard to wade through that, but I gather your solution is segregation but no segregation, and people should accept being treated differently because they are all the same. Makes sense to me?

[revelarts]

Sorry, But if a recruit believes he's Bruce Lee, ...even if he is a good martial artist... the guys not mentally stable and doesn't need to be in the military.
Being able to acknowledge OBJECTIVE reality is a basic factor in handling military operations.
Being a HIGH functional crazy person can work in a LOT of situations, but in the military it's not desirable.

Not to mention the acknowledged EXTREMELY high rates of Depression and suicide of Transgendered.
And folks want to Combine that with Military stress?... where the rate of suicide is also very high?

The military turns away many mildly disturbed men and woman from service, Transgender people should not be allowed into military service.

[Ricky Tavy]

Sorry, But if a recruit believes he's Bruce Lee, ...even if he is a good martial artist... the guys not mentally stable and doesn't need to be in the military.
Being able to acknowledge OBJECTIVE reality is a basic factor in handling military operations.
Being a HIGH functional crazy person can work in a LOT of situations, but in the military it's not desirable.

Not to mention the acknowledged EXTREMELY high rates of Depression and suicide of Transgendered.
And folks want to Combine that with Military stress... where many rate of suicide is also high.

The military turns away many mildly disturbed men and woman from service, Transgender people should not be allowed into military service.

Transgender former SEAL Team 6 member asks Trump to tell her ‘face to face’ that she’s ‘not worthy’ (http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/07/27/transgender-former-seal-team-6-member-asks-trump-to-tell-her-face-to-face-that-shes-not-worthy/)

Since trump won't do it, maybe you'd like to be a surrogate?

[NightTrain]

Or, even relevant, unlike the TWITter-in-chief. trump promised to protect LGBT rights and then threw them under the bus for political expediency. He needed something to distract from his other flaming bags of feces, and he needed to pander to TBagger fundamentalists in the House in exchange for them supporting spending on his silly wall and other things. What's another lie and throwing some more people under the bus compared to that?

Removing 0bama's assclown policies of forcing Red-Blooded fighting men to live in close proximity and rely on damaged individuals who think they can assign themselves a different gender by simply clicking their heels together and wishing it so was simply good decision making.

If you think that your normal soldier wants to be in a foxhole somewhere rubbing shoulders with Richard Simmons in a pink tutu, you don't understand how normal fighting men think and behave.

Our fighting forces are trained to be killers; that's their job. They go kill bad guys and they have enough on their plate without forcing them to be around Liberace in the interest of scoring political points with the gay community.

[NightTrain]

Transgender former SEAL Team 6 member asks Trump to tell her ‘face to face’ that she’s ‘not worthy’ (http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/07/27/transgender-former-seal-team-6-member-asks-trump-to-tell-her-face-to-face-that-shes-not-worthy/)

Since trump won't do it, maybe you'd like to be a surrogate?

Trump just did.

Didn't you read the story?

[Ricky Tavy]

Removing 0bama's assclown policies of forcing Red-Blooded fighting men to live in close proximity and rely on damaged individuals who think they can assign themselves a different gender by simply clicking their heels together and wishing it so was simply good decision making.

If you think that your normal soldier wants to be in a foxhole somewhere rubbing shoulders with Richard Simmons in a pink tutu, you don't understand how normal fighting men think and behave.

Our fighting forces are trained to be killers; that's their job. They go kill bad guys and they have enough on their plate without forcing them to be around Liberace in the interest of scoring political points with the gay community.

Strange how I've heard none of that from the military leaders. Perhaps, you should make them aware of your knowledge and expertise.

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/20431282_1941375439206758_3031533927944840684_n.jp g?oh=fe06bf6d9d0c61e83e9c050e7455976b&oe=5A378A71

[Black Diamond]

Transgender former SEAL Team 6 member asks Trump to tell her ‘face to face’ that she’s ‘not worthy’ (http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/07/27/transgender-former-seal-team-6-member-asks-trump-to-tell-her-face-to-face-that-shes-not-worthy/)

Since trump won't do it, maybe you'd like to be a surrogate?
I am sure rev will do it.

[Ricky Tavy]

I'm guessing that our soldiers are less worried about being seduced by the LGBT agenda than our those setting their hair on fire over the issue.

[NightTrain]

I'm guessing that our soldiers are less worried about being seduced by the LGBT agenda than our those setting their hair on fire over the issue.

And you assert such guesses based on what?

[Black Diamond]

I'm guessing that our soldiers are less worried about being seduced by the LGBT agenda than our those setting their hair on fire over the issue.
So you have no clue.

[jimnyc]

Or, even relevant, unlike the TWITter-in-chief. trump promised to protect LGBT rights and then threw them under the bus for political expediency. He needed something to distract from his other flaming bags of feces, and he needed to pander to TBagger fundamentalists in the House in exchange for them supporting spending on his silly wall and other things. What's another lie and throwing some more people under the bus compared to that?

I don't think he threw anyone at all under the bus - but rather listened to those in charge in the military and made a change that they all feel is better and in the best interest of the military.

Many instantly jumped on Trump, and yeah, of course he made the final decision. But I'll listen to those in charge on the ground before anyone else in the world.

[Ricky Tavy]

And you assert such guesses based on what?

The soldiers I've known are more confident in their sexuality and gender identity than are Deplorables who are afraid to turn the knob on their closet doors. I've never felt tempted to wear women's clothes or engage in homosexual sex, and I'm not even a soldier.

[jimnyc]

Hard to wade through that, but I gather your solution is segregation but no segregation, and people should accept being treated differently because they are all the same. Makes sense to me?

The military is all about making groups, platoons and other divisions. Do the same here. Since they are the same, very capable, no different than anyone else - why would there be any type of big deal?

[NightTrain]

The soldiers I've known are more confident in their sexuality and gender identity than are Deplorables who are afraid to turn the knob on their closet doors. I've never felt tempted to wear women's clothes or engage in homosexual sex, and I'm not even a soldier.

So, you assert that you're not a soldier, and you're not a homo.

What are your qualifications, again?

[Ricky Tavy]

I don't think he threw anyone at all under the bus - but rather listened to those in charge in the military and made a change that they all feel is better and in the best interest of the military.



Would you like to explain then why those leaders were all caught by surprise by trump's TWITtering?

And, of course he threw transgenders under the bus. He promised to fight for their rights much more than Hillary would.

[jimnyc]

Transgender former SEAL Team 6 member asks Trump to tell her ‘face to face’ that she’s ‘not worthy’ (http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/07/27/transgender-former-seal-team-6-member-asks-trump-to-tell-her-face-to-face-that-shes-not-worthy/)

Since trump won't do it, maybe you'd like to be a surrogate?

I've read many more from other veterans that say the opposite.They mean little.

And this guy has a history of a "mean" streak in addition to being confused about his gender. Another reason some folks shouldn't be in the military and guns.

[jimnyc]

Strange how I've heard none of that from the military leaders. Perhaps, you should make them aware of your knowledge and expertise

The military leaders are the ones that spoke with Trump prior to his decision. All that matters.

[jimnyc]

Would you like to explain then why those leaders were all caught by surprise by trump's TWITtering?

And, of course he threw transgenders under the bus. He promised to fight for their rights much more than Hillary would.

Only leaders not on the ground. Trump spoke with leaders and got the information needed.

As for them feeling like they are under the bus - so be it. I'd rather not take ANY chances when it comes to a single life in the military.

[Kathianne]

I've read many more from other veterans that say the opposite.They mean little.

And this guy has a history of a "mean" streak in addition to being confused about his gender. Another reason some folks shouldn't be in the military and guns.

I can see the argument Trump could make, I do understand he can issue an order; however he doesn't seem to have fully consulted with leadership of military and a post on social media is not an order. Some seem to have taken offense or at the very least, feel they were left blowing in the wind regarding the announcement:

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/344290-mattis-appalled-by-trump-tweets-announcing-transgender-military-ban-report

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/trump-military-transgender-ban-joint-chiefs/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/27/pentagon-caught-flat-footed-on-trumps-transsexual-ban.html

[jimnyc]

I can see the argument Trump could make, I do understand he can issue an order; however he doesn't seem to have fully consulted with leadership of military and a post on social media is not an order. Some seem to have taken offense or at the very least, feel they were left blowing in the wind regarding the announcement:

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/344290-mattis-appalled-by-trump-tweets-announcing-transgender-military-ban-report

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/trump-military-transgender-ban-joint-chiefs/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/27/pentagon-caught-flat-footed-on-trumps-transsexual-ban.html

Of course it's not. But his decision, and putting it to paper are 2 different things. Also no need that he speak with the entire of the pentagon prior either.

[Ricky Tavy]

So, you assert that you're not a soldier, and you're not a homo.

What are your qualifications, again?

I'm a heterosexual who does not feel the least threatened or tempted by the presence of a homosexual. I assert that if anyone is threatened or tempted by the presence of a homosexual, the problem is theirs and not the one they are scapegoating.

[Kathianne]

Of course it's not. But his decision, and putting it to paper are 2 different things. Also no need that he speak with the entire of the pentagon prior either.
Mattis and the Joint Chiefs are a pretty limited number one would think he'd consult with, but heh, it is unconventional.

[Ricky Tavy]

Only leaders not on the ground. Trump spoke with leaders and got the information needed.

As for them feeling like they are under the bus - so be it. I'd rather not take ANY chances when it comes to a single life in the military.

But so far you have nothing but your own fears to support the idea that any lives are endangered. BTW, you are aware right, that these are much the same arguments once made against racial integration of the military?

[Bilgerat]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10735&stc=1

[NightTrain]

I'm a heterosexual who does not feel the least threatened or tempted by the presence of a homosexual. I assert that if anyone is threatened or tempted by the presence of a homosexual, the problem is theirs and not the one they are scapegoating.


And you think that forcing a normal fighting man into a foxhole with a 6'3" homo who goes by the handle of Alice wouldn't be a huge distraction?

[jimnyc]

But so far you have nothing but your own fears to support the idea that any lives are endangered. BTW, you are aware right, that these are much the same arguments once made against racial integration of the military?

Why would I have fears, I'm not in the military? It's my belief, based on those in charge and many former military folks. No different than you using a veteran as your proof somehow.

Yeah yeah, go ahead and start on the journey to labeling me a racist, or some other label because I disagree.

To save time: based on the lame liberal media, I am a racist, islamaphobist, homophobist & all other kinds of cool names, because I disagree with them.

[Ricky Tavy]

And you think that forcing a normal fighting man into a foxhole with a 6'3" homo who goes by the handle of Alice wouldn't be a huge distraction?

Only if I were worried I could not resist his overwhelming sexiness.

I've been camping and fishing and hunting with homosexuals. Never thought about having sex with them, and I can get pretty drunk. 'Course, maybe I'm not sufficiently attractive. I've only had one gay person make a pass at me. And, drunk as I was then, I was able to resist.

[Ricky Tavy]

Why would I have fears, I'm not in the military? It's my belief, based on those in charge and many former military folks. No different than you using a veteran as your proof somehow.

Yeah yeah, go ahead and start on the journey to labeling me a racist, or some other label because I disagree.

To save time: based on the lame liberal media, I am a racist, islamaphobist, homophobist & all other kinds of cool names, because I disagree with them.

I am aware of the Deplorable fondness for pre-emptive victimhood. And, you don't "disagree" with people. You want to discriminate against them, because their presence frightens you. That is bigotry. Deal with it.

[Ricky Tavy]

So much for my concern this place might be insufficiently active.

I do like this place so far.

[NightTrain]

Only if I were worried I could not resist his overwhelming sexiness.

I've been camping and fishing and hunting with homosexuals. Never thought about having sex with them, and I can get pretty drunk. 'Course, maybe I'm not sufficiently attractive. I've only had one gay person make a pass at me. And, drunk as I was then, I was able to resist.

We're not talking about you, though, are we? We're talking about a normal, red-blooded American fighting man who doesn't go seek out the charming 6' 3" Alice during his free time.

And I can't help notice you failed to address the distraction issue. Combat is lethal enough without introducing unnecessary distractions.

[revelarts]

Transgender former SEAL Team 6 member asks Trump to tell her ‘face to face’ that she’s ‘not worthy’ (http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/07/27/transgender-former-seal-team-6-member-asks-trump-to-tell-her-face-to-face-that-shes-not-worthy/)

Since trump won't do it, maybe you'd like to be a surrogate?


"not worthy" is not a term i'd use.
not exactly sane ...OK... send HIM by the house.

[Bilgerat]

Only if I were worried I could not resist his overwhelming sexiness.






http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10736&stc=1

[jimnyc]

I am aware of the Deplorable fondness for pre-emptive victimhood. And, you don't "disagree" with people. You want to discriminate against them, because their presence frightens you. That is bigotry. Deal with it.

Call it as you please, and I'll take the beating of what one wants to call it, that's fair enough to me. My stance is to protect EVERY soldier, and to hopefully do whatever is necessary to protect each and every one of them.

Victim hood? You called me those names, I simply pointed them out. I'm not a victim, even though you may want to call me that. Calling me any of the "phobia" names or similar as above, really doesn't bother me, as I know it's wrong and simply something for folks to latch onto. As if I somehow "fear" any of these folks is laughable. It's nothing more than someone's way of vilifying the person they are speaking to right off the bat. But so we get it out of the way then - I have ZERO fear of ANY muslim, or the filthy religion of islam. I have ZERO fear of queers.

There are TONS of folks not allowed in the military for various reasons. Me agreeing or disagreeing with any of those decisions that the military or CiC makes.... well, so be it. Not all discrimination is against the law. In fact, the majority of discrimination is lawful.

[Ricky Tavy]

We're not talking about you, though, are we? We're talking about a normal, red-blooded American fighting man who doesn't go seek out the charming 6' 3" Alice during his free time.

And I can't help notice you failed to address the distraction issue. Combat is lethal enough without introducing unnecessary distractions.

I did address the distraction issue. I said I am not distracted by the presence of a homosexual, and I say that anyone who is or thinks they would be should look to see if their closet door is really locked. I would suggest it is not even fully closed. I doubt also that "a normal, red-blooded American fighting man" spends nearly the amount of time fantasizing about some 6'3" Alice, a peculiarly specific image, as do those setting their hair on fire over this matter.

[Ricky Tavy]

Okay, I'm gonna do something else now. I'll be here all night tonight, though. I do like this place.

[NightTrain]

I doubt also that "a normal, red-blooded American fighting man" spends nearly the amount of time fantasizing about some 6'3" Alice, a peculiarly specific image, as do those setting their hair on fire over this matter.

You missed the point.

A normal red-blooded American fighting man usually doesn't wish to be around a tranny. Adding a tranny to a combat situation is an unnecessary distraction.

And no one but liberals are setting their hair on fire over the matter. Trump did the right thing, and that's that.

:salute:

[jimnyc]

I don't know if one photo/writing can determine every last thing, but it gives an idea for sure. I have little to no doubt that these folks are a little confused upstairs. I'm not saying I want them to be killed - but they may be killed as a result, or they may get a brother/sister in arms killed.

And notice who it's written by, Toni the Tampon
---

This One Photo Perfectly Sums Up Why We Needed Trump's Military Transgender Ban

Twitter is going ape over Trump's decision not to let transgendered people serve in the military. The virtuous left wants to know why — while clutching their pearls and clucking at us. This one photo sums up the reason better than I ever could

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Y’all know I’m trans and queer, And what that means for me all around, Is something that’s neither there nor here, It’s a happy, scary middle ground. So when I talk gender inclusion, And I wrote these rhymes to help you see, I’m not tryna bring up something shallow, Periods are honestly pretty traumatic for me. See my life is very clearly marked, Like a red border cut up a nation, A time before and a time beyond, The mark of my first menstruation. So let me take you back, To the details that I can still recall, Of the day I gained my first period, And the day that I lost it all. I was 15 and still happy, Running around, all chest bared and buck, Climbing trees, digging holes, And no one gave a single fuck. I mean I think my ma was worried, So I went and grew out my locks, A sign I was normal, still a girl, A painted neon sign for my gender box. So, the day I got my period, My god, a day so proud, This little andro fucked up kid, Had been bestowed the straight, cis shroud. The relief got all meshed up in my pain, In that moment, I sat down and cried, Just thanking god I was normal, While mourning the freedom that had died. Everyone told me my hips would grow, I looked at them and couldn't stop crying, "What's wrong with you? You'll be a woman!" They kept celebrating a child dying. See my body had betrayed me, That red dot, the wax seal, On a contract left there broken, A gender identity that wasn’t real. Most people deal with blood and tissue, And yet my body forces me to surrender, Cause every time I get my cycle, Is another day I shed my gender. My boobs betray me first, I feel them stretching out my binder, I send up questions, "am I cursed?" And wish to god that she was kinder. The five days it flows, I try to breathe, I dissociate, While my body rips outs parts of me, Leaving nothing but a shell of hate. The blood drips from an open wound, Of a war waging deep inside my corpse, The battle between mind and body, Immovable object; unstoppable force. #bleedingwhiletrans #menstruator #genderinclusion #mencanmenstruate #protectranskids #periodpride #genderdysphoria #menstruationmatters #ifmenhadperiods [PLEASE SHARE!🌈]

This is a mental disorder. People who behave like this need to be in a safe facility somewhere with padded rooms. This is not the kind of thing we need running around screwing up the military with its outrage and perpetual offense taking. The military exists to kill people and break things. It is not a social experiment. It is a fighting force. Anything that gets in the way of killing people and breaking things needs to be tossed out. This person needs a doctor who will straighten out her head and help her re-enter civilization where we do not bleed all over ourselves on purpose to shock people. She needs basic home-training, not basic training.

I'm getting tired of treating our military like some college campus safe space. That is not its purpose. We need to remember what that purpose is and get out of the way and let them do it. Hunt and kill ISIS. The rest of this garbage can have its own reality show on TLC but needs to stay out of the military.

Rest here - https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/07/26/this-one-photo-perfectly-sums-up-why-we-needed-trumps-military-transgender-ban/

[jimnyc]

Former Transgender: Trump 'Made Right Decision,' 'Military Is a Fighting Force, Not a Gender Clinic'

A man who lived for eight years as a transgender female says President Donald Trump did the right thing for the U.S. military, as well as for all Americans, by banning transgenders from serving in the military.

Walt Heyer, who has transitioned back to his birth gender, writes in a commentary that his personal experience leads him to support Trump’s announcement:

“I think he made the right decision—and as someone who lived as trans-female for several years, I should know.”

Heyer says allowing transgenders to serve is “devastating…to the fitness, readiness, and moral of our combat read troops.”

“The military is a Fighting Force, Not a Gender Clinic,” Heyer says, adding that concept of taxpayer-funded transition surgery for service members defies logic:

“Paying for transition-related surgeries for military service members and their families is beyond comprehensible.”

Finally, Heyer warns that Trump’s ban protects Americans from the activists’ next demands – that all of government and private enterprise be forced to fund sex-change surgery:

“If the military had been forced to pay, the advocates would have used this as leverage to press every other entity—both government and commercial—to pay for sex change surgeries as well.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/former-transgender-trump-made-right-decision-military-fighting-force-not-gender

[Gunny]

I'm not the one standing on a chair with my petticoats over my head because there's a transgender mouse in the room.Could have fooled ME. Seems to me you leftwingnuts are the ones doing all the crying. You're just tossing out the same old lefty dogma that doesn't mean shit and isn't going to.

Like it or not, the military is made of mostly alpha males who don't like fags and they ARE a distraction and affect unit cohesion and efficiency. It doesn't matter how you twist the words based on some dumbass, civilian lack of correctly assessing and identifying the situation based on some leftwingnut pipe dream.

You and your little boyfriends want to go hold hands? Do it on your own time. And I'll be damned if I want one red cent spent on some confused POS that can't figure out that's a dick between his legs when there are combat vets returning every day that actually need the funding and medical treatment. "Oh, sorry ... you can't have a new leg Corporal. We spent that money giving some chick a dick."

Give me a fucking break.

[Ricky Tavy]

Could have fooled ME. Seems to me you leftwingnuts are the ones doing all the crying. You're just tossing out the same old lefty dogma that doesn't mean shit and isn't going to.

Like it or not, the military is made of mostly alpha males who don't like fags and they ARE a distraction and affect unit cohesion and efficiency. It doesn't matter how you twist the words based on some dumbass, civilian lack of correctly assessing and identifying the situation based on some leftwingnut pipe dream.

You and your little boyfriends want to go hold hands? Do it on your own time. And I'll be damned if I want one red cent spent on some confused POS that can't figure out that's a dick between his legs when there are combat vets returning every day that actually need the funding and medical treatment. "Oh, sorry ... you can't have a new leg Corporal. We spent that money giving some chick a dick."

Give me a fucking break.

Yes, it is terrible to see all the veterans walking around with only one leg because some other guy got sex change surgery. Maybe, if they cut back on the much more money being spent on Viagra for virile, red-blooded American soldiers who hate fags?

Again, all your arguments used to be made against integrating the military. "Unit cohesion!" "Distraction!" Turns out racial integration made our military stronger. And, if someone is as easily frightened or distracted as you fear, I don't know that the military is the right place for them, anyway. Let them post ignorant bigotry from behind over-compensating, macho avatars in cyber-space. I'd rather have someone like the transgender who was a SEAL 6 member at my back.

[Gunny]

Yes, it is terrible to see all the veterans walking around with only one leg because some other guy got sex change surgery. Maybe, if they cut back on the much more money being spent on Viagra for virile, red-blooded American soldiers who hate fags?

Again, all your arguments used to be made against integrating the military. "Unit cohesion!" "Distraction!" Turns out racial integration made our military stronger. And, if someone is as easily frightened or distracted as you fear, I don't know that the military is the right place for them, anyway. Let them post ignorant bigotry from behind over-compensating, macho avatars in cyber-space. I'd rather have someone like the transgender who was a SEAL 6 member at my back.Don't know any military folks that would admit they needed Viagra even if they did:laugh:.

Skip the comparing race to gender identity schtick. Doesn't sell anymore than it did with gays. Race is what it is. Can't change it even if you want. Well, unless you're a white girl wanting a free ride through college. Sexual behavior is choice, and claiming you are something you are not is delusion. In both latter cases, the judgement process is f*cked and I ain't following you anywhere nor do I want you in my unit.

Ummm .... for your edification, "Gunny" is not a "macho avatar in cyberspace. It's a rank in the US Marine Corps. I KNOW what I'm talking about. I put my money and ass where my mouth is. You? Damned sure doesn't sound like it. You sound like just another clueless lefty with an opinion with nothing but rhetoric to back it up.

As far as your seeming "new hero" the SEAL goes ... all yours. I'm a jarhead. Not impressed with its mouth.

[aboutime]

Ricky Dicky Tavi has identified himself as another low-life, hater of anyone who doesn't conform to his TRANNY training, and dedication to Peter-Puffer-Status. Can't make up the mind whether to be a guy, or gal..giving him/herself the opportunity to GO BOTH WAYS.

[O E]

Ricky Dicky Tavi has identified himself as another low-life, hater of anyone who doesn't conform to his TRANNY training, and dedication to Peter-Puffer-Status. Can't make up the mind whether to be a guy, or gal..giving him/herself the opportunity to GO BOTH WAYS.

That's all very funny.

Most funny is the panicky fear that the U.S. fighting force is doing so poorly at concentrating on the task at hand, they'd rather obsess about the plumbing of the guy / gal in the foxhole right next to theirs than to save their own life and that of their comrades.

We've learned, since the Trumpy twittered his "transgender need not apply" screed, that the ostensible reason (medical costs) isn't exactly what would bankrupt the U.S. treasury. Rather, it's minuscule. Also, the Trumpy didn't really release his order, so we've another instance of the Twittler in Chief throwing red meat to his base, so that he can crow about doing ... something, while his legislative agenda is kaput.

Finally, in a country governed by laws, with a strong emphasis on equality before the law, discrimination needs a strong justification. "We don't like trans people / black people / female people / homosexual people around at our jobs" is insufficient. Just about the only justification would be, "is constitutionally not up to the job." Again, the mere suspicion on the right that "these people have a screw loose", while they cannot even tell homosexuals and transgender people apart, doesn't cut the mustard.

[aboutime]

That's all very funny.

Most funny is the panicky fear that the U.S. fighting force is doing so poorly at concentrating on the task at hand, they'd rather obsess about the plumbing of the guy / gal in the foxhole right next to theirs than to save their own life and that of their comrades.

We've learned, since the Trumpy twittered his "transgender need not apply" screed, that the ostensible reason (medical costs) isn't exactly what would bankrupt the U.S. treasury. Rather, it's minuscule. Also, the Trumpy didn't really release his order, so we've another instance of the Twittler in Chief throwing red meat to his base, so that he can crow about doing ... something, while his legislative agenda is kaput.

Finally, in a country governed by laws, with a strong emphasis on equality before the law, discrimination needs a strong justification. "We don't like trans people / black people / female people / homosexual people around at our jobs" is insufficient. Just about the only justification would be, "is constitutionally not up to the job." Again, the mere suspicion on the right that "these people have a screw loose", while they cannot even tell homosexuals and transgender people apart, doesn't cut the mustard.


All well stated, and thought out. However. The U.S. Military IS NOT controlled, run, or directed by the U.S.Constitution, nor any of the amendments. The U.S. Military is, in reality...not a Democracy. The U.C.M.J., not the U.S.Constitution control the Military.
The Military is not a place for Social Experiments to occur that inhibit the effective operation of military tasks.
Of course. If YOU happen to be a Trannsexual attempting to become a member of the military. You can now forget the DREAM of the U.S.Govt. paying for your trans medical services, paid for by ME, and U.S. Citizens.
That EQUALITY you speak of, refers to Males, and Females. Nothing else.

[O E]

All well stated, and thought out. However. The U.S. Military IS NOT controlled, run, or directed by the U.S.Constitution, nor any of the amendments. The U.S. Military is, in reality...not a Democracy. The U.C.M.J., not the U.S.Constitution control the Military.
The Military is not a place for Social Experiments to occur that inhibit the effective operation of military tasks.
Of course. If YOU happen to be a Trannsexual attempting to become a member of the military. You can now forget the DREAM of the U.S.Govt. paying for your trans medical services, paid for by ME, and U.S. Citizens.
That EQUALITY you speak of, refers to Males, and Females. Nothing else.

Heavens, really? The U.C.M.J. is not subordinate to the U.S. Constitution? Thus unconstitutional hiring processes, or anything done in the military according to the U.C.M.J., cannot be inspected and thrown out by the U.S. Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Virginia)?

Of course, as pointed out earlier, the U.S. military has a proud tradition of "Social Experiments", such as the integration under Truman in 1948, far ahead of a society that saw fit to end segregation almost two decades later.

And the 14th Amendment now says "women and men must be treated equally", and does not prohibit denying "to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"?

You made that up, didn't you (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-26/a-ban-on-transgender-troops-is-doomed-in-the-courts)?

[aboutime]

Heavens, really? The U.C.M.J. is not subordinate to the U.S. Constitution? Thus unconstitutional hiring processes, or anything done in the military according to the U.C.M.J., cannot be inspected and thrown out by the U.S. Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Virginia)?

Of course, as pointed out earlier, the U.S. military has a proud tradition of "Social Experiments", such as the integration under Truman in 1948, far ahead of a society that saw fit to end segregation almost two decades later.

And the 14th Amendment now says "women and men must be treated equally", and does not prohibit denying "to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"?

You made that up, didn't you (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-26/a-ban-on-transgender-troops-is-doomed-in-the-courts)?

Nope. I had 30 years in a Navy Uniform to back me up. And, if you bothered to read your own paragraph above about the 14th Amendment which says "WOMEN and MEN" must be treated equally. That is true. It does not say "FORMERLY WOMEN and MEN"
As for Truman and integration. That was NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. It was a law.

[Ricky Tavy]

Don't know any military folks that would admit they needed Viagra even if they did:laugh:.

Skip the comparing race to gender identity schtick. Doesn't sell anymore than it did with gays. Race is what it is. Can't change it even if you want. Well, unless you're a white girl wanting a free ride through college. Sexual behavior is choice.

Unless, of course, you listen to those with expertise in the matter. But, do go ahead and tell us about how and when you made your choice. Was it difficult? What factors went into you making the choice you did?


Ummm .... for your edification, "Gunny" is not a "macho avatar in cyberspace. It's a rank in the US Marine Corps. I KNOW what I'm talking about. I put my money and ass where my mouth is. You? Damned sure doesn't sound like it. You sound like just another clueless lefty with an opinion with nothing but rhetoric to back it up.

As far as your seeming "new hero" the SEAL goes ... all yours. I'm a jarhead. Not impressed with its mouth.

Actually, I was talking about your avatar rather than your moniker. OTOH, that is more than a little over-compensating, also. Further, it is my experience that most of those with military experience, especially those with combat experience, do not go around waving it like a banner. That is why I seldom talk about my service as a political officer with the NLF in Vietnam. As for backing up what one says, the only evidence you have put forth to support your assertions is your own testimony that you would find a 6'3" Alice to be ... "distracting."

[Ricky Tavy]

Ricky Dicky Tavi has identified himself as another low-life, hater of anyone who doesn't conform to his TRANNY training, and dedication to Peter-Puffer-Status. Can't make up the mind whether to be a guy, or gal..giving him/herself the opportunity to GO BOTH WAYS.

Tsk. Life must be difficult for someone so bullied by "hater" liberal snowflakes. I know you are trying to hurt my feelings, so maybe it will make you feel better that your fantasies about my sex life did creep me out some.

[Ricky Tavy]

All well stated, and thought out. However. The U.S. Military IS NOT controlled, run, or directed by the U.S.Constitution, nor any of the amendments.

Wrong again, dear. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, and it covers how the military operates. Fondness for fascism is not uncommon among easily frightened Deplorables, though.


That EQUALITY you speak of, refers to Males, and Females. Nothing else.

I hate to tell you this, but that week you spent on the Constitution at Jethro Bodine Middle School did not make you an expert on the Constitution.

[Ricky Tavy]

Nope. I had 30 years in a Navy Uniform to back me up.

Get lonely at sea, did it? I don't think it is fair to extrapolate what makes you feel guilty now to the behavior of everyone else.


And, if you bothered to read your own paragraph above about the 14th Amendment which says "WOMEN and MEN" must be treated equally. That is true. It does not say "FORMERLY WOMEN and MEN"

The literate noticed it also says "no person" shall be deprived of equal protection.


As for Truman and integration. That was NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. It was a law.

Actually, it was an executive order. Have you considered researching, or even learning a little something, before bloviating? I won't tell the other Deplorables, if you do.

[aboutime]

Get lonely at sea, did it? I don't think it is fair to extrapolate what makes you feel guilty now to the behavior of everyone else.



The literate noticed it also says "no person" shall be deprived of equal protection.



Actually, it was an executive order. Have you considered researching, or even learning a little something, before bloviating? I won't tell the other Deplorables, if you do.

I'm sorry. Didn't realize you were such an a-hole. Too bad for you. I apologize for trying to imitate you in any way.
As for being deplorable. That's proof that I have failed to be just like you. Deplorable as you are.

[Ricky Tavy]

I'm sorry. Didn't realize you were such an a-hole. Too bad for you. I apologize for trying to imitate you in any way.
As for being deplorable. That's proof that I have failed to be just like you. Deplorable as you are.

Deplorables aren't exactly known for their intelligence, so I've seen a lot of impotent I-know-you-are's in my time. That one may be the most pathetic ever.

[aboutime]

Deplorables aren't exactly known for their intelligence, so I've seen a lot of impotent I-know-you-are's in my time. That one may be the most pathetic ever.


You sure are entertaining when you talk to yourself.

[Ricky Tavy]

You sure are entertaining when you talk to yourself.

Imagine my disappointment every time I think I might have gotten an intelligent response to something, only to discover I have stumbled once again upon a rightard doing his best Pee Wee Herman impression.

[pete311]

Imagine my disappointment every time I think I might have gotten an intelligent response to something, only to discover I have stumbled once again upon a rightard doing his best Pee Wee Herman impression.

There are several members here you should not waste your life responding to.

[O E]

Nope. I had 30 years in a Navy Uniform to back me up. And, if you bothered to read your own paragraph above about the 14th Amendment which says "WOMEN and MEN" must be treated equally. That is true. It does not say "FORMERLY WOMEN and MEN"
As for Truman and integration. That was NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. It was a law.

Sorry to say, that contains so many falsehoods, it doesn't begin to amount to a contribution to our debate.

Perhaps, you ought to take your own line a bit more seriously: "Educate man, Liberate man"; liberate yourself from the confines of the echo chamber. Give it a shot. After 30 years in Navy uniform, it's about time.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Imagine my disappointment every time I think I might have gotten an intelligent response to something, only to discover I have stumbled once again upon a rightard doing his best Pee Wee Herman impression.

You have yet to show your intelligence and character to be admirable IMHO.
Using terms , such as -rightard- may impress your friends etc, but do nothing to give credence to your ability to inform or sway in a positive way, we longstanding members here.
I disagree with many of your posts that I have recently read--does that make me a rightard? Or a dummy?
As future time permits ( if my health permits the luxury of), I may be able to respond to you a bit more and will do so with a certain preliminary level of respect....
At least until given just cause to change... if such cause arrives, all bets will be off.--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

There are several members here you should not waste your life responding to.

Do be so kind as to provide the short list, the curiosity I have as to your picks is immense....;)-Tyr

[aboutime]

Sorry to say, that contains so many falsehoods, it doesn't begin to amount to a contribution to our debate.

Perhaps, you ought to take your own line a bit more seriously: "Educate man, Liberate man"; liberate yourself from the confines of the echo chamber. Give it a shot. After 30 years in Navy uniform, it's about time.


Good for you. Now, tell us what falsehoods you are honestly attempting to present here.

As for my line "Educate man, Liberate man". It would probably give you something to begin with here, before berating others.

[Abbey Marie]

Would you like to explain then why those leaders were all caught by surprise by trump's TWITtering?

And, of course he threw transgenders under the bus. He promised to fight for their rights much more than Hillary would.

I heard him promise to strengthen our military. And he is.
Next.

[moondoggie]

I heard him promise to strengthen our military. And he is.
Next.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength

Donald Trump's past statements about LGBT rights
There's video at the link.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-past-statements-lgbt-rights/story?id=48858527

[aboutime]

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength

Donald Trump's past statements about LGBT rights
There's video at the link.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-past-statements-lgbt-rights/story?id=48858527


Uh oh. Sounds like somebody is out of WHINE. Too bad your endless, liberal hatred seems to precede everything you say here. If you are a member of the LGBTQ organizations...go jam it down somebody else's EASILY-LED throat that also voted twice for Obama, and now moans after losing your Hillary to her own stupidity.

[revelarts]

"The 55-year-old Eva Tiamat Medusa has endured several painful medical and non-medical procedures over the years.
...In her quest to become a woman, Tiamat had altered her chest to 36B endowing herself with the womanly feature but has stopped short of undergoing a complete gender change. Though considered a woman, Tiamat still continues to battle within, about her dual gender identity...
....As a precursor to becoming a dragon, Tiamat has had horns embedded on her forehead. Tattoos and scarification that resemble a reptile’s scales. The whites of her eyes are colored green. giving her reptilian green eyes. Tiamat calls it ‘Medusa green eyes of death.’
...The procedures include a tattooed body, full face tattoo, changing the color of her eye, tooth extraction and modifying her nose and ears....
...Tiamat who had changed her names to suit her persona’s now likes to be known as the Dragon Lady. She perceives herself to be a mythical beast....
...She has also got herself a forked tongue as part of her ‘changing’ process."
https://www.unbelievable-facts.com/2...agon-lady.html (https://www.unbelievable-facts.com/2016/04/transgender-dragon-lady.html)

"a the male-to-female transgender woman who prefers the pronoun “it” says it believes it was born not only the wrong sex, but also the wrong species, and has been undergoing human-to-dragon transition procedures to fix the problem.
Read more at: Male to Female Transgender Woman Becoming a Dragon | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433724/transgender-woman-now-transitioning-dragon)
Transgender woman Eva Tiamat Medusa removes ears and nose to become 'dragon lady' | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3524063/Transgender-woman-Eva-Tiamat-Medusa-ears-nose-removed-dragon-lady.html)

Nothing CRAZY about that at all. right?
And I'm sure the military could use a few Dragons!
Install a fire breathing apparatus and wings, NOW you got Dragon Soldiers!!! they could really do a great JOB right??!. Has anyone in TRUMPS FAMILY ever been a DRAGON?!!!

But since this guy couldn't go through with the full Man to female mutilation maybe he's not up for the Full Dragon either... but regardless the gov't should embrace this "IT" and pay doctors so this man's delusions uhhh fantasies uhh "truth" can be fulfilled right?

because he's NOT crazy at all, He's a frickin' DRAGON... he says so. So it must be true.
if you question "IT" you're nothing but an ignorant BIGOT.

Quote:

<tbody>
“I am the Dragon Lady, A pre-op M2F (male to female) transgender in the process of morphing into a human dragon, becoming a reptoid as I shed my human skin and my physical appearance and my life as a whole leaving my humanness behind and embracing my most natural self awareness as a mythical beast,” Tiamat explains on its website. Tiamat’s website also contains a blog where it writes about its life as a dragon: “I am no liar and those who do not know me, need to know this truth,” a post from Monday states. “HUMANS INTRINSICALLY LIE,” it continues. “DRAGONS DON”T (sic) LIE!!!”

Read more at: Male to Female Transgender Woman Becoming a Dragon | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433724/transgender-woman-now-transitioning-dragon)

</tbody>


Folks, these people have problems processing reality. The reality of who they are. they may be High functional in some areas but the military rejects and expells many people with MILD mental issues.
The current cultural FASHION to indulge Trangenders fantasies should be reversed.

Objective reality, Over personal subjective fantasy is the best way forward here.
I not easy hurting people's feelings but reality is reality.

[revelarts]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/30/30c79da82325e21ffb234dbd7ae1d9ba6ce74281470e9656f0 f0dfafc874cec4.jpg


I guess we have to put the film Toy Story away because Woody's being extremely offensive when he tries to convince Buzz out of his "intrinsic" reality.
And the film portrays Buzz making a "transition" from REAL Space Ranger to the so-called objective reality of being a Toy.
Which makes him depressed... and suicidal!!!:mad:
(Buzz was far more capable militarily than Woody ever was BTW:mad::mad::mad:)

the film is Anti... well... ANti something.... and not the way wise MODERN, "loving", accepting people think.
The creators were obviously hate filled neanderthal high ranking members of the military or Trump family members.

[Black Diamond]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10739&stc=1

[Black Diamond]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10741&stc=1

[O E]

Good for you. Now, tell us what falsehoods you are honestly attempting to present here.

Let's see:


Nope. I had 30 years in a Navy Uniform to back me up. And, if you bothered to read your own paragraph above about the 14th Amendment which says "WOMEN and MEN" must be treated equally. That is true. It does not say "FORMERLY WOMEN and MEN"
As for Truman and integration. That was NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. It was a law.


Your 30 years in uniform didn't bestow upon you even a rudimentary understanding of the law or the Constitution. The 14th Amendment does not mention men and women, it just mentions "person". You made that up. The Supreme Court wouldn't look kindly at your, in effect, denying trans people their personhood. Truman integrated the armed forces by EO. Ricky already informed you about that, but you saw not fit to do your homework, and neither to correct yourself.

Finally, "That was NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. It was a law." is a completely meaningless assertion. If you want to see how laws result in social experiments, you could read up on the civil rights legislation of the mid 1960s, or, if you will, read up on how Brown v. Board of Education resulted in a nation-wide social experiment.

So, everything in the above was wrong.


As for my line "Educate man, Liberate man". It would probably give you something to begin with here, before berating others.

Do you need everything spoon-fed to you? Isn't that a bit untoward for what is supposedly a grown man?

[Black Diamond]

Let's allow schizophrenics in the military.

[O E]

Read more at: Male to Female Transgender Woman Becoming a Dragon | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433724/transgender-woman-now-transitioning-dragon)
Transgender woman Eva Tiamat Medusa removes ears and nose to become 'dragon lady' | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3524063/Transgender-woman-Eva-Tiamat-Medusa-ears-nose-removed-dragon-lady.html)


Folks, these people have problems processing reality.

So, you've read about one highly atypical trans person, and then you turn around and pontificate about "these people" and the problems "they" have?

BTW, I have read about this guy...

https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/__new/2015-07-22t22-35-33-133z--1280x720.nbcnews-ux-1240-700.jpg

... and I then proceed towards musing about how white males are all mass-murderous thugs who should never be let near any kind of weapon.

[Black Diamond]

So, you've read about one highly atypical trans person, and then you turn around and pontificate about "these people" and the problems "they" have?

BTW, I have read about this guy...

https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/__new/2015-07-22t22-35-33-133z--1280x720.nbcnews-ux-1240-700.jpg

... and I then proceed towards musing about how white males are all mass-murderous thugs who should never be let near any kind of weapon.
What are the percentages of trannies who are mentally unstable vs the normal people who are mentally unstable ?

[aboutime]

Let's see:


Nope. I had 30 years in a Navy Uniform to back me up. And, if you bothered to read your own paragraph above about the 14th Amendment which says "WOMEN and MEN" must be treated equally. That is true. It does not say "FORMERLY WOMEN and MEN"
As for Truman and integration. That was NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. It was a law.


Your 30 years in uniform didn't bestow upon you even a rudimentary understanding of the law or the Constitution. The 14th Amendment does not mention men and women, it just mentions "person". You made that up. The Supreme Court wouldn't look kindly at your, in effect, denying trans people their personhood. Truman integrated the armed forces by EO. Ricky already informed you about that, but you saw not fit to do your homework, and neither to correct yourself.

Finally, "That was NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. It was a law." is a completely meaningless assertion. If you want to see how laws result in social experiments, you could read up on the civil rights legislation of the mid 1960s, or, if you will, read up on how Brown v. Board of Education resulted in a nation-wide social experiment.

So, everything in the above was wrong.



Do you need everything spoon-fed to you? Isn't that a bit untoward for what is supposedly a grown man?

I'm really sorry. I should have considered your personal lifestyle might cause you to be offended with being presented the truth. You are funny though. Telling me, and other members here that everything I said above was wrong...SAYS YOU?
You can use all of your Obama-grammar, and convince yourself somebody died, and left you the King, or Boss. Choose one.

[Black Diamond]

I'm really sorry. I should have considered your personal lifestyle might cause you to be offended with being presented the truth. You are funny though. Telling me, and other members here that everything I said above was wrong...SAYS YOU?
You can use all of your Obama-grammar, and convince yourself somebody died, and left you the King, or Boss. Choose one.

Bruce Springsteen?

[aboutime]

Bruce Springsteen?


Why not? Sounds about right to me.

[revelarts]

So, you've read about one highly atypical trans person, and then you turn around and pontificate about "these people" and the problems "they" have?

BTW, I have read about this guy...

(insert far to big picture of Dylan Root here)

... and I then proceed towards musing about how white males are all mass-murderous thugs who should never be let near any kind of weapon.


um, no
when a biological MAN thinks he's a Women that's a mental problem... as well as taking it to the, even more fantastic, next step of Dragon.

BOTH are objectively FALSE. if one seriously believes they are something they are not that is by DEFAULT mental illness.
If someone believes they are Asian when they were born of parents of full Irish linage,
If someone believes they are the President of the U.S. when they are a retired butcher in Mexico with a 3rd grade education living in the trailer home he calls "el Casa Blanco".
If someone says they sincerely believe they are anything contrary to clear objective overwhelming scientific reality then there are only 2 real options.
One, they are lying for some effect. Or 2, they have mental issues of some kind.

the current western FASHION to indulge transgender's fantasies is simply a weird social acquiesence to their mental problem.

Believing you are male or female when you are not, does NOT make you one. Any more than it makes that guy a DRAGON. period.
Adding various physical mutilations to approximate the LOOKS of what they "feel" they are doesn't make them one either.

it's TRUE clear biological Science denying, in order not to hurt people's feelings.
It may seem noble and kind ... or "progressive"... but it's just LYING and feeding into a mentally ill person's delusions.
ultimately it's unkind. and makes us all a bit crazy if we seriously play along.

[aboutime]

BOOMER????

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/pittsburgh-man-thinks-dog-boomer/story?id=20801512

[revelarts]

Adding to Boomer...



'I've gone back to being a child': Husband and father-of-seven, 52, leaves his wife and kids to live as a transgender SIX-YEAR-OLD girl named Stefonknee...
Canadian man leaves family to be transgender six-year-old girl*Stefonknee Wolscht | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html#ixzz4VbZYmJil)


'I was born in the wrong species': Woman who says she's a CAT trapped in a human body hisses at dogs, hates water and claims she can even see better at night...
Norway woman says she's a CAT trapped in a human body | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3419631/Woman-says-s-CAT-trapped-human-body.html#ixzz3z9A5LsR9)



I poured drain cleaner in my eyes to blind myself... “I really feel this is the way I was supposed to be born, that I should have been blind from birth,” Shuping told Barcroft Media.
I poured drain cleaner in my eyes to blind myself | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/i-blinded-myself-on-purpose-and-have-never-been-happier/)


What's the difference between the above assertions and a man claiming he's really a woman or vis versa?
the honest answer is that there isn't any. it's just a matter of details and degrees, not substance.

Each is denying objective physical reality and expecting others to buy into their subjective personal MENTAL/EMOTIONAL delusions.

[revelarts]

then Add to the above the left framing gender in any way they like to fit the occasion for their purposes.

It's Dishonest.
Choose a POV and defend it... if you can.

http://pre00.deviantart.net/e7d7/th/pre/i/2017/129/6/0/terf_dilemma_by_akhnaton_ii-db8oiin.jpg

the sad thing is both are false.

[Ricky Tavy]

What are the percentages of trannies who are mentally unstable vs the normal people who are mentally unstable ?

Evidence suggests the percentage is much lower than you would find among those working in the White House.

[Ricky Tavy]

I'm really sorry. I should have considered your personal lifestyle might cause you to be offended with being presented the truth. You are funny though. Telling me, and other members here that everything I said above was wrong...SAYS YOU?
You can use all of your Obama-grammar, and convince yourself somebody died, and left you the King, or Boss. Choose one.

A remarkable combination of a predictable, witless you're-a-tranny shot, even sadder "says you" whimper, stereotypical rightard resentment of education and articulation, and feeble cliché flinging all wrapped in a pathetic deflection that is gratuitously insulting in the way it treats others as if they are no smarter than you.

[Ricky Tavy]

um, no
when a biological MAN thinks he's a Women that's a mental problem... as well as taking it to the, even more fantastic, next step of Dragon.

BOTH are objectively FALSE. if one seriously believes they are something they are not that is by DEFAULT mental illness.
If someone believes they are Asian when they were born of parents of full Irish linage,
If someone believes they are the President of the U.S. when they are a retired butcher in Mexico with a 3rd grade education living in the trailer home he calls "el Casa Blanco".
If someone says they sincerely believe they are anything contrary to clear objective overwhelming scientific reality then there are only 2 real options.
One, they are lying for some effect. Or 2, they have mental issues of some kind.

the current western FASHION to indulge transgender's fantasies is simply a weird social acquiesence to their mental problem.

Believing you are male or female when you are not, does NOT make you one. Any more than it makes that guy a DRAGON. period.
Adding various physical mutilations to approximate the LOOKS of what they "feel" they are doesn't make them one either.

it's TRUE clear biological Science denying, in order not to hurt people's feelings.
It may seem noble and kind ... or "progressive"... but it's just LYING and feeding into a mentally ill person's delusions.
ultimately it's unkind. and makes us all a bit crazy if we seriously play along.

Well, we can go with the understanding expressed by an easily frightened Deplorable who sees transgenderism as a vast left-wing conspiracy dedicated, presumably, to robbing him of his precious bodily fluids. We can accept as credible the arguments of someone who finds validity in the logical fallacy of reducto ad absurdum arguments. Or, we can go with the professionals. Transgenderism has not been seen by the professionals as a mental illness, and DSM V does not even describe it as a disorder.

I have not looked into how psychiatric professionals describe those who become hysterical at the concept of transgenderism. trump flufferism?

[NightTrain]

Well, we can go with the understanding expressed by an easily frightened Deplorable who sees transgenderism as a vast left-wing conspiracy dedicated, presumably, to robbing him of his precious bodily fluids. We can accept as credible the arguments of someone who finds validity in the logical fallacy of reducto ad absurdum arguments. Or, we can go with the professionals. Transgenderism has not been seen by the professionals as a mental illness, and DSM V does not even describe it as a disorder.

I have not looked into how psychiatric professionals describe those who become hysterical at the concept of transgenderism. trump flufferism?


It is classified as a disorder.

But here's what your typical military man thinks about the whole thing :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41_Lfrf-RFw

Valid points by someone who has done 2 tours of duty in Iraq and 1 tour in Afghanistan.

[Ricky Tavy]

It is classified as a disorder.

Not in the DSM V. It was changed from "disorder" to "dysphoria."


But here's what your typical military man thinks about the whole thing :

Valid points by someone who has done 2 tours of duty in Iraq and 1 tour in Afghanistan.

A testimonial by someone claiming service in which he parrots the usual memes is worthless. I note that he started off stating that anyone with disorders is banned from serving, and that is just flat wrong. If that were true, anyone seeing a military shrink for depression would be booted. So, having established that your "expert" doesn't know what he is talking about. Next, we can address the obvious fact that testimony about one's feelings and beliefs are worthless as evidence and that presenting such demeans the credibility of those presenting it.

What is missing here is actual evidence of harm done transgender service. Many thousands have served. I have yet to read anyone here present any quantitative or qualitative evidence of actual harm resulting from this service, let alone any analysis of NET harm vs. benefit. Given that at least one transgender became a member of SEAL 6, and given the rigorous selection process for that, the case of that soldier would seem to be de facto proof that the "condition" is not of itself disqualifying of military service at the most elite levels.

[hjmick]

I'm generally of the opinion that anyone willing to make the sacrifices necessary to serve this country and protect my rights, my family, and even me, should be allowed to serve regardless of who they are or who they think they are (save those convicted of certain crimes), regardless of their religion or their sexual orientation.



That being said...

Whether or not a transgendered person should be allowed to serve should, in my opinion, depend on one thing and one thing only...

If they are looking towards gender reassignment procedures, are they willing to forgo said procedures until after they have fulfilled their obligations as defined under their enlistment?

[O E]

What is missing here is actual evidence of harm done transgender service. Many thousands have served. I have yet to read anyone here present any quantitative or qualitative evidence of actual harm resulting from this service, let alone any analysis of NET harm vs. benefit. Given that at least one transgender became a member of SEAL 6, and given the rigorous selection process for that, the case of that soldier would seem to be de facto proof that the "condition" is not of itself disqualifying of military service at the most elite levels.

No such evidence is required.



No Blacks serving together with Whites. There has to be a line somewhere that cannot be crossed.
No women serving. There has to be a line somewhere that cannot be crossed.
No gays or lesbians serving. There has to be a line somewhere that cannot be crossed.
No gays or lesbians serving openly. There has to be a line somewhere that cannot be crossed.
No trans people serving. There has to be a line somewhere that cannot be crossed.


And no, the armed forces aren't a social experiment, except when they are. As it was previously, the social experiments in all former cases went reasonably well, and the current hoopla by frightened sissies will amount to what it always was, a rearguard fight in defense of ignorance and superstition. Turns out, there's no good argument to be had for white males' disgraceful exclusionary propensities, as, over time, inclusion won in all cases, and will again once the Trumpy slinks toward the exit.

I was particularly impressed with "Stupidity should be painful" emblazoned over the man's chest. Given that you can tell experts apart from goofs by dint of the former knowing things, the latter worrying about how the Trumpy's anti-trans tweet could be used against the Trumpy, I would guess the goof wasn't quite aware of the irony.

[NightTrain]

Not in the DSM V. It was changed from "disorder" to "dysphoria."

Yeah, all sorts of bizarre things happen when you have a runaway PC culture.


Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

...


He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people. Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”


While the Obama administration, Hollywood, and major media such as Time magazine promote transgenderism as normal, said Dr. McHugh, these “policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention.”

Much more : http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change


A testimonial by someone claiming service in which he parrots the usual memes is worthless. I note that he started off stating that anyone with disorders is banned from serving, and that is just flat wrong. If that were true, anyone seeing a military shrink for depression would be booted. So, having established that your "expert" doesn't know what he is talking about. Next, we can address the obvious fact that testimony about one's feelings and beliefs are worthless as evidence and that presenting such demeans the credibility of those presenting it.

Claiming service? A quick search of John Burk will show his honorable service and the timeline if you doubt him. Further, he was a Drill Instructor in the US Army and knows first hand the task of weeding out the wheat from the chaff during the intake of raw recruits.

I think I'll take the word of an actual decorated combat veteran over your admitted lack of military experience. That seems reasonable, does it not?


What is missing here is actual evidence of harm done transgender service. Many thousands have served. I have yet to read anyone here present any quantitative or qualitative evidence of actual harm resulting from this service, let alone any analysis of NET harm vs. benefit.

DoD removed the tranny ban just last year... I find it hard to believe that there's any accurate numbers available. Now that trannies aren't allowed again, I'd say those numbers are really going to get weird.


Given that at least one transgender became a member of SEAL 6, and given the rigorous selection process for that, the case of that soldier would seem to be de facto proof that the "condition" is not of itself disqualifying of military service at the most elite levels.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Christopher Beck was a decorated Navy SEAL and retired from the Navy in 2011. Your precious Kristen Beck 'transitioned' in 2013. Thus, there was no transgender member of SEAL Team 6.

Obviously he has mental issues and decided he wanted to be a woman despite having a penis that clearly showed he was a male but that happened after the fact. PTSD perhaps? Latent homo tendencies? Who knows?

I get that he's receiving free press by huffing indignantly and clutching his pearls while talking to reporters about how he's being oppressed while gearing up his campaign to run for Congress, but clearly he's got a couple of screws loose and is no longer qualified for military service.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10747&stc=1

[Abbey Marie]

Yeah, all sorts of bizarre things happen when you have a runaway PC culture.



Much more : http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change



Claiming service? A quick search of John Burk will show his honorable service and the timeline if you doubt him. Further, he was a Drill Instructor in the US Army and knows first hand the task of weeding out the wheat from the chaff during the intake of raw recruits.

I think I'll take the word of an actual decorated combat veteran over your admitted lack of military experience. That seems reasonable, does it not?



DoD removed the tranny ban just last year... I find it hard to believe that there's any accurate numbers available. Now that trannies aren't allowed again, I'd say those numbers are really going to get weird.



Sorry, you're wrong.

Christopher Beck was a decorated Navy SEAL and retired from the Navy in 2011. Your precious Kristen Beck 'transitioned' in 2013. Thus, there was no transgender member of SEAL Team 6.

Obviously he has mental issues and decided he wanted to be a woman despite having a penis that clearly showed he was a male but that happened after the fact. PTSD perhaps? Latent homo tendencies? Who knows?

I get that he's receiving free press by huffing indignantly and clutching his pearls while talking to reporters about how he's being oppressed while gearing up his campaign to run for Congress, but clearly he's got a couple of screws loose and is no longer qualified for military service.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10747&stc=1


LOL @ "Clutching his pearls"

[Ricky Tavy]

Yeah, all sorts of bizarre things happen when you have a runaway PC culture.

"PC culture" is another thing Deplorables have discovered to make themselves victims, even as they are great promoters of their own PC culture: gotta speak English, no wearing of Muslim stuff, gotta have patriotic displays at least twice per ball game, "Happy Holidays" is treason.



I think I'll take the word of an actual decorated combat veteran over your admitted lack of military experience. That seems reasonable, does it not?

No, it sounds like you are willing to take the opinion of one soldier (showing my point about the value of testimonials flew right over your head) who has no expertise in psychological issues, because you believe his opinion validates yours.


DoD removed the tranny ban just last year... I find it hard to believe that there's any accurate numbers available. Now that trannies aren't allowed again, I'd say those numbers are really going to get weird.

Whereas liberals tend to use "PC" to avoid offending others. Don't understand why Deplorables cling so desperately to their right to use insulting terms, except as revenge against all those they blame for their inadequacies and those they see as looking down on them. Oh, and transgenders are still allowed in the military, because the leaders of the military do not believe pandering ignorant tweets from an undisciplined brat constitute policy.
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Sorry, you're wrong.

Christopher Beck was a decorated Navy SEAL and retired from the Navy in 2011. Your precious Kristen Beck 'transitioned' in 2013. Thus, there was no transgender member of SEAL Team 6.

Obviously he has mental issues and decided he wanted to be a woman despite having a penis that clearly showed he was a male but that happened after the fact. PTSD perhaps? Latent homo tendencies? Who knows?

Moving past the ignorance of believing transgenderism is "homo," you think he only caught his "disorder" after he got out of the military? So hysterical in defending what you see as a threat to your gender identity you reach to joining those who slime soldiers with PTSD in order to protect your justifiable insecurities?


I get that he's receiving free press by huffing indignantly and clutching his pearls while talking to reporters about how he's being oppressed while gearing up his campaign to run for Congress, but clearly he's got a couple of screws loose and is no longer qualified for military service.

Yeah, imagine the pleasure she is getting from all the sneering hate she gets from insecure weenies in cyber-space. Give me a choice, and I would take a soldier who qualified at the most elite level in my foxhole over some internet blowhard who is distracted by the worry he will not be able to resist other soldiers turning him into a commie deviant.

[Gunny]

"PC culture" is another thing Deplorables have discovered to make themselves victims, even as they are great promoters of their own PC culture: gotta speak English, no wearing of Muslim stuff, gotta have patriotic displays at least twice per ball game, "Happy Holidays" is treason.




No, it sounds like you are willing to take the opinion of one soldier (showing my point about the value of testimonials flew right over your head) who has no expertise in psychological issues, because you believe his opinion validates yours.



Whereas liberals tend to use "PC" to avoid offending others. Don't understand why Deplorables cling so desperately to their right to use insulting terms, except as revenge against all those they blame for their inadequacies and those they see as looking down on them. Oh, and transgenders are still allowed in the military, because the leaders of the military do not believe pandering ignorant tweets from an undisciplined brat constitute policy.
http://scontent-frt3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/c69.0.472.472/17494799_260583521068356_3321489928746958848_n.jpg ?ig_cache_key=MTQ3Nzg2NjQwNTgzOTYzNzcxNw%3D%3D.2.c




Moving past the ignorance of believing transgenderism is "homo," you think he only caught his "disorder" after he got out of the military? So hysterical in defending what you see as a threat to your gender identity you reach to joining those who slime soldiers with PTSD in order to protect your justifiable insecurities?



Yeah, imagine the pleasure she is getting from all the sneering hate she gets from insecure weenies in cyber-space. Give me a choice, and I would take a soldier who qualified at the most elite level in my foxhole over some internet blowhard who is distracted by the worry he will not be able to resist other soldiers turning him into a commie deviant.Still pasting blathering rhetoric?

You're also STILL as wrong as your first post in this thread. None of you internet insults are going to change THAT. Quick synopsis: You are EXACTLY every thing you've accused us of a being. A small minded bigot that doesn't know what you're talking about. I can give you a recruiter's phone # though and you can go get a crash course on what you don't know for the next 4 years.

[NightTrain]

"PC culture" is another thing Deplorables have discovered to make themselves victims, even as they are great promoters of their own PC culture: gotta speak English, no wearing of Muslim stuff, gotta have patriotic displays at least twice per ball game, "Happy Holidays" is treason.

Oh, I'm not a victim. It's a complete waste of time and you'd know that if you knew anything about me. May I suggest that you educate yourself before making such accusations toward people you know nothing about?


No, it sounds like you are willing to take the opinion of one soldier (showing my point about the value of testimonials flew right over your head) who has no expertise in psychological issues, because you believe his opinion validates yours.

One soldier? I can dig up loads more who think the whole idea is ridiculous. The interwebs are full of such opinions from actual military members.

I find it humorous that the only soldier's opinion that you're interested in is a former SEAL Team 6 member that decided he wanted to be a woman after he retired.

Fun fact for you : This board is loaded with Veterans and not one of them think having Stubbly Alice in a foxhole with normal soldiers in combat is a good idea.


Whereas liberals tend to use "PC" to avoid offending others. Don't understand why Deplorables cling so desperately to their right to use insulting terms, except as revenge against all those they blame for their inadequacies and those they see as looking down on them.

I call a spade a spade. I'm not interested in playing liberal PC word games. A tranny is a tranny, and you understand what I'm referring to when I say tranny. Bruce Jenner still lives under his wig & makeup and he's still a shitty driver.

If your skirts get a bit fluffed when I use such terminology, I reckon you'll just have to toughen up a bit and accept my blunt descriptives when I say tranny instead of Genderqueer / Non-Binary. I could also say fag when talking about homosexuals, but I'll go the extra mile for you and just type out homo in the interest of catering to your delicate sensibilities.


Oh, and transgenders are still allowed in the military, because the leaders of the military do not believe pandering ignorant tweets from an undisciplined brat constitute policy.

Did you miss this?


"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military," Trump said in a series of tweets. "Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail."

I don't know how you could have missed that, seeing as how it was the first sentence.


Moving past the ignorance of believing transgenderism is "homo," you think he only caught his "disorder" after he got out of the military? So hysterical in defending what you see as a threat to your gender identity you reach to joining those who slime soldiers with PTSD in order to protect your justifiable insecurities?

I'm not sure if you've detected it yet, but I really have no interest in categorizing differently flamers who prance around in pink tutus vs. men who prance around in pink tutus that honestly are hetero. It's just weird all the way around and they're both trannies.


Yeah, imagine the pleasure she is getting from all the sneering hate she gets from insecure weenies in cyber-space. Give me a choice, and I would take a soldier who qualified at the most elite level in my foxhole over some internet blowhard who is distracted by the worry he will not be able to resist other soldiers turning him into a commie deviant.

Sneering hate? I have no hatred for the man, rather the contrary is true : I pity him and hope he gets the help he needs.

Rushing to judgement with your large brush again, I see. That's not nice, Ricky.

[aboutime]

A remarkable combination of a predictable, witless you're-a-tranny shot, even sadder "says you" whimper, stereotypical rightard resentment of education and articulation, and feeble cliché flinging all wrapped in a pathetic deflection that is gratuitously insulting in the way it treats others as if they are no smarter than you.


Your predictability is even stronger. Using the endless insults by combining your so-called Mastery at words you learned in LOWER educational situations is laughable, even for a devout liberal who hates everyone, and everything YOU have no control over.

Trying to destroy this forum by making an ass of yourself only works if everyone is just like you. So...mark this up as another Ignorant Failure of your frustration to win . <img src="https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder893/500x/50296893.jpg">

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[Ricky Tavy]

Still pasting blathering rhetoric?

You're also STILL as wrong as your first post in this thread. None of you internet insults are going to change THAT. Quick synopsis: You are EXACTLY every thing you've accused us of a being. A small minded bigot that doesn't know what you're talking about. I can give you a recruiter's phone # though and you can go get a crash course on what you don't know for the next 4 years.

Damn! I did not anticipate your awesome ability to stamp your little feet and squeal "Nuh uh!" prior to squeaking an impotent hiss-and-spit. And to think some lib bullies were mocking Deplorable forensic skills here.

[Gunny]

Damn! I did not anticipate your awesome ability to stamp your little feet and squeal "Nuh uh!" prior to squeaking an impotent hiss-and-spit. And to think some lib bullies were mocking Deplorable forensic skills here.Is this all the game you really have? Post after post some lame personal attack. If I stamp my feet, you'll have a cast on your ankle for awhile.

Try growing up. But then, that would require you having an actual point besides the one on your head, right? If you desire to make your personal opinion of me a topic, feel free. IN THE RIGHT FORUM.

[Duster]

Is this all the game you really have? Post after post some lame personal attack. If I stamp my feet, you'll have a cast on your ankle for awhile.

Try growing up. But then, that would require you having an actual point besides the one on your head, right? If you desire to make your personal opinion of me a topic, feel free. IN THE RIGHT FORUM.

How can a transgender even get in the military? Don't they have to pass a physical anymore?

[aboutime]

How can a transgender even get in the military? Don't they have to pass a physical anymore?


You should probably ask some of the newer, liberal members who arrived here in July. I suppose they can tell you how to pretend to be a normal human when taking a physical, then how to claim they are the Opposite of what they claimed to be...to get the SEX CHANGE surgery...at TAX PAYER EXPENSE. Since the new members defend others like themselves who pretend to be normal humans until they admit to being LIBERAL.

[Duster]

You should probably ask some of the newer, liberal members who arrived here in July. I suppose they can tell you how to pretend to be a normal human when taking a physical, then how to claim they are the Opposite of what they claimed to be...to get the SEX CHANGE surgery...at TAX PAYER EXPENSE. Since the new members defend others like themselves who pretend to be normal humans until they admit to being LIBERAL.

I see there are a lot of ex-military on here. Just thought they might know something about what it takes to pass a physical. Doesn't seem to me that someone with all the mental issues and maybe undergoing hormone treatment could get in.

As for newer, liberal members I take it you're talking about RickyTavy. He strikes me as a moron with a burr up his ass. Doesn't seem to care much about issues. So I'll pass on that advice.

[pete311]

Coast Guard 'will not break faith' with transgender members, leader says
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/344767-coast-guard-will-not-break-faith-with-transgender-members-leader-says

[revelarts]

Well, we can go with the understanding expressed by an easily frightened Deplorable who sees transgenderism as a vast left-wing conspiracy dedicated, presumably, to robbing him of his precious bodily fluids. We can accept as credible the arguments of someone who finds validity in the logical fallacy of reducto ad absurdum arguments....
"reducto ad absurdum arguments"?
mmm nope... check the definition... no one here's done that.
what I did was give EXAMPLES of what IS happening. And simply pointing out the obvious.
that is, People that believe they are something or someone they clearly are not, have mental issues of some kind.




...Or, we can go with the professionals. Transgenderism has not been seen by the professionals as a mental illness, and DSM V does not even describe it as a disorder...



Not in the DSM V. It was changed from "disorder" to "dysphoria."


SO which is it Ricky?
look you seem to admit that transgenderisms STILL in the DSM, the "PSYCHIATRIC BIBLE"... after you claim it's not a mental "illness"... Illness, Problem, Disorder, Dysphoria as i said it's a mental issue.

Although the fickled and political wind testers that lead the Psych field have downgraded it officially. It's STILL THERE.
a REAL MENTAL ISSUE.

And for those of us that don't bend under every Orwellian pronouncement of the fashionable leading "experts" that say "war is peace" and "dogs are cats"...
for those folks with common sense as a guide for many mental problems, when it comes to people claiming they are something they DEMONSTRABLE are not. it doesn't take a "professional" to make the diagnosis.
However, It does take cultural conditioning and pressure for people to IGNORE the obvious and believe the Emporer has clothes. Many go further and try to shame others into thinking that people deny the reality of their own bodies compounded by "dysphoria" (sadness/mild depression) are rational and should be carrying weapons in the name of the U.S.A.

Sorry, I'm not playing along.
the generals are right it's a bad idea.
and financially it's completely STUPID.

[revelarts]

for the record, there are more than a few "professionals" that still acknowledge the obvious.

"Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital (http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profiles/results/directory/profile/0003340/paul-mchugh) and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles..."


https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change


...Berger, who is a consulting psychiatrist in Toronto and whose list of credentials establishes him as an expert in the field of mental illness, stated that people who identify themselves as "transgendered" are mentally ill or simply unhappy, and pointed out that hormone therapy and surgery are not appropriate treatments for psychosis or unhappiness.<figure data-location="3"></figure>"From a scientific perspective, let me clarify what ‘transgendered’ actually means," Dr. Berger said, adding, "I am speaking now about the scientific perspective – and not any political lobbying position that may be proposed by any group, medical or non-medical."
"‘Transgendered’ are people who claim that they really are or wish to be people of the sex opposite to which they were born, or to which their chromosomal configuration attests," Dr. Berger stated.
"Some times, some of these people have claimed that they are ‘a woman trapped in a man’s body’ or alternatively ‘a man trapped in a woman’s body’."
"The medical treatment of delusions, psychosis or emotional happiness is not surgery," Dr. Berger stated.
"On the other hand," Dr. Berger continued, "if these people are asked to clarify exactly what they believe, that is to say do they truly believe whichever of those above propositions applies to them and they say ‘no’, then they know that such a proposition is not true, but that they ‘feel’ it, then what we are talking about scientifically, is just unhappiness, and that unhappiness is being accompanied by a wish – that leads some people into taking hormones that predominate in the other sex, and even having cosmetic surgery designed to make them ‘appear’ as if they are a person of the opposite sex."
He explained that cosmetic surgery will not change the chromosomes of a human being in that it will not make a man become a woman, capable of menstruating, ovulating, and having children, nor will it make a woman into a man, capable of generating sperm that can unite with an egg or ovum from a woman and fertilize that egg to produce a human child. Moreover, Dr. Berger stated that the arguments put forward by those advocating for special rights for gender confused people have no scientific value and are subjective and emotional appeals with no objective scientific basis."I have read the brief put forward by those advocating special rights, and I find nothing of scientific value in it," Dr. Berger said in his statement. "Words and phrases, such as 'the inner space,' are used that have no objective scientific basis."
"These are the scientific facts," Dr. Berger said. "There seems to me to be no medical or scientific reason to grant any special rights or considerations to people who are unhappy with the sex they were born into, or to people who wish to dress in the clothes of the opposite sex."
"The so-called ‘confusion’ about their sexuality that a teenager or adult has is purely psychological. As a psychiatrist, I see no reason for people who identify themselves in these ways to have any rights or privileges different from everyone else in Canada," he concluded....