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Kathianne

07-11-2017, 04:23 PM

If so, why didn't he STFU?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-releases-alleged-email-chain-regarding-russian-meeting.html

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/11/disaster-trump-jr-releases-e-mail-chain/

BTW, I didn't post on this for 2 days, waiting for someone else that isn't so 'negative' to do so. I really thought it would turn into 'nothing,' now not so sure.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/11/dershowitz-did-donald-trump-jr-commit-crime-or-merely-political-sin-it-depends.html

NightTrain

07-11-2017, 04:30 PM

It'll be a couple of days before I get back up to speed... but I did read this morning that JR released the whole email chain. Sounds like another mad charge to a nothing burger.

pete311

07-11-2017, 04:31 PM

It adds to the pile. I trust Mueller to the information and don't really have anything to say. I'm am however confused why DT Jr would release the emails. What good did that do him? The smoking gun is there.

hjmick

07-11-2017, 04:36 PM

According to all I've heard, he did nothing illegal. The optics, on the other hand...

The guy comes off a little slimy no matter how you slice it...

All in all, this shit's getting ridiculous...

Kathianne

07-11-2017, 04:44 PM

According to all I've heard, he did nothing illegal. The optics, on the other hand...

The guy comes off a little slimy no matter how you slice it...

All in all, this shit's getting ridiculous...

I must say I'm sick of hearing about Russia. Still, that email chain is highly questionable, maybe they're just lucky she didn't 'have anything?' Still is slimey, as you said.

I'm pretty down over the ethics and nepotism of this 'clean the swamp' group.

When really down, I try to remember what the alternative would have been... :alcoholic:

Russ

07-11-2017, 06:24 PM

Kathianne

07-11-2017, 07:13 PM

I'm really tired of hearing about the "Russia-Trump Collusion" story. I no longer care what anybody on any Trump team said to anyone from any other country. The media has overplayed their hand, and I no longer care about the story, and I no longer trust the media to tell me the story - or any other story.

In my opinion, the Trumps have been no slimier than the Clintons ever were. Obama was not as slimy as the Clintons, but pulled slimy crap plenty of times during his 8 years. The only difference is that the media didn't want to cover these kind of stories when it was the Clintons (or Obama) but obsesses about anything they can find, or make up, about the Trumps.

I understand. Like I said, I'm sick of the Russian thing too. Problem with this whole brouhaha, it looks like Trump Jr was looking to partake in collusion. Kushner got out of the room pretty quick, Manafort stuck around, but didn't participate from Jr's account.

I don't get why he released the email chain, it gives confirmation of his desires-which there really wasn't anything to be gained.

A hint that some don't think it's 'nothing':

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-tells-sean-hannity-in-retrospect-probably-would-have-done-things-little-differently.html

...

A spokesman for Vice President Mike Pence released a statement saying the former Indiana governor "was not aware of the meeting." The statement also pointed out that the meeting took place before Trump had nominated Pence to be his running mate.
...

pete311

07-11-2017, 07:20 PM

I don't get why he released the email chain, it gives confirmation of his desires-which there really wasn't anything to be gained.

Maybe he's mad at his dad. I can't think of any explanation. I can't for the life of me understand why he released them. His lawyers must be livid. He's totally exposed.

pete311

07-11-2017, 07:23 PM

Here might be a reason
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/11/julian-assange-i-told-trump-jr/469536001/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

Kathianne

07-11-2017, 07:27 PM

:rolleyes:

Taking advice from Assange is not a smart move. Trump Jr. really doesn't want to be associated with him or Wikileaks.

Kathianne

07-11-2017, 07:42 PM

I understand. Like I said, I'm sick of the Russian thing too. Problem with this whole brouhaha, it looks like Trump Jr was looking to partake in collusion. Kushner got out of the room pretty quick, Manafort stuck around, but didn't participate from Jr's account.

I don't get why he released the email chain, it gives confirmation of his desires-which there really wasn't anything to be gained.

A hint that some don't think it's 'nothing':

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-tells-sean-hannity-in-retrospect-probably-would-have-done-things-little-differently.html

Looks like someone else agrees with my take:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer-meeting-charles-krauthammer-incompetence-defense-hannity

...

Krauthammer said he's defended Trump Jr. and his father against accusations of collusion because there "wasn't [any] 'there' there."

"[But] the denial of collusion is very weak right now because it looks as if Don Junior was receptive to receiving this information," Krauthammer said.

"It's a hell of a defense to say your collusion wasn't competent and it didn't work out," he said.

...

aboutime

07-11-2017, 07:50 PM

There IS NO COLLUSION. None has been found, none has been proven, and the only people who WANT IT to be are...Those who need to find something wrong in order to satisfy their PERPETUAL HATRED. PERIOD!

Black Diamond

07-11-2017, 10:44 PM

Maybe he's mad at his dad. I can't think of any explanation. I can't for the life of me understand why he released them. His lawyers must be livid. He's totally exposed.
Easy. The trumps want the media and dems going down this rabbit hole. Let them keep chasing after nothing.

pete311

07-11-2017, 11:20 PM

Easy. The trumps want the media and dems going down this rabbit hole. Let them keep chasing after nothing.

Or......... they could stop feeding this bullshit train and actually focus on policy. Did you hire Trump to fix America or to troll the dems?

Black Diamond

07-12-2017, 12:00 AM

Or......... they could stop feeding this bullshit train and actually focus on policy. Did you hire Trump to fix America or to troll the dems?
Do you need a lesson in mutual exclusivity? Trump knows what he's doing.

darin

07-12-2017, 04:26 AM

Natalia Veselnitskaya was sitting with Obama’s Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul during a Foreign Affairs Committee hearing, 8 days after cold-contacting Trump Jr. in Trump Tower.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/well-lookie-russian-lawyer-veselnitskaya-pictured-obama-ambassador-russia-8-days-trump-jr-mtg/

While the liberal news media hunts for evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, the public record shows that Democrats have willfully used Moscow disinformation to influence the presidential election against Donald Trump and attack his administration.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russian-information-on-trum/

Drain the swamp. Wish more people would consider libertarians for office. :(

WATCH at least the opening of Tucker's monologue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=495dL67MkHk

Kathianne

07-12-2017, 07:10 AM

Natalia Veselnitskaya was sitting with Obama’s Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul during a Foreign Affairs Committee hearing, 8 days after cold-contacting Trump Jr. in Trump Tower.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/well-lookie-russian-lawyer-veselnitskaya-pictured-obama-ambassador-russia-8-days-trump-jr-mtg/

While the liberal news media hunts for evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, the public record shows that Democrats have willfully used Moscow disinformation to influence the presidential election against Donald Trump and attack his administration.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russian-information-on-trum/

Drain the swamp. Wish more people would consider libertarians for office. :(

Saw the program. Bottom line the argument being made is 'they hit too!'

I'm not one that is going to argue that it's all so bad, let's make it worse. Honestly, I don't think there's anything to be done about it, it will just worsen.

There's nothing libertarian about Trump.

darin

07-12-2017, 08:12 AM

Bottom line the argument being made is 'they hit too!'

I think it's more than that - I think the argument is "nothing crazy or exotic or unusual happened."

There's nothing libertarian about Trump.

Which is why I wish folks would consider libertarians :)

Kathianne

07-12-2017, 08:20 AM

I think it's more than that - I think the argument is "nothing crazy or exotic or unusual happened."

Which is why I wish folks would consider libertarians :)

I just wish the administration would stop handing the opposition in the media and the Democrats the end of the string to unravel the fabric. This is another of the 'oops, yeah, Russia,' moments where they should just get them all out and move on.

Pence seems to be aware of what is unraveling and doing his best to get out of the way.

Even with no crime, there seems to be a cover-up attempt, it's just crazy.

pete311

07-12-2017, 08:50 AM

Do you need a lesson in mutual exclusivity? Trump knows what he's doing.

Do you need a lesson in opportunity cost? You do one thing at the cost of doing another. The more resources he uses to troll the dems the less he uses on policy. There are not infinite pieces of a pie.

Black Diamond

07-12-2017, 12:04 PM

Do you need a lesson in opportunity cost? You do one thing at the cost of doing another. The more resources he uses to troll the dems the less he uses on policy. There are not infinite pieces of a pie.
No I don't. His tweets probably take about two minutes each. How is CNN doing these days? He has plenty of time to run the country and play the media/dems. He perpetuated and continues to perpetuate this Russian conspiracy theory and you guys keep falling for it.

pete311

07-12-2017, 12:09 PM

No I don't. His tweets probably take about two minutes each. How is CNN doing these days? He has plenty of time to run the country and play the media/dems. He perpetuated and continues to perpetuate this Russian conspiracy theory and you guys keep falling for it.

Bookmarked for a later date when Mueller finishes the investigation.

Black Diamond

07-12-2017, 12:11 PM

Bookmarked for a later date when Mueller finishes the investigation.
:laugh:

Black Diamond

07-12-2017, 12:35 PM

Just like Rachel Maddow was going to expose trump as a tax cheat. I can't believe the dems and media haven't read trumps book. If I weren't diametrically opposed to everything the dems stand for...

pete311

07-12-2017, 12:49 PM

Just like Rachel Maddow was going to expose trump as a tax cheat. I can't believe the dems and media haven't read trumps book. If I weren't diametrically opposed to everything the dems stand for...

Are you comparing Rachel Maddow to Robert Mueller? :lol: How's that healthcare bill coming? :clap:

jimnyc

07-12-2017, 01:27 PM

jimnyc

07-12-2017, 01:29 PM

Are you comparing Rachel Maddow to Robert Mueller? :lol: How's that healthcare bill coming? :clap:

Better than Obamacare, and MUCH less time thus far, and watching what was once Obamacare slowly decay is the best part. Well, the best part is watching the dumb dumbs talking about how "Trumpcare is taking from the poor to give to the rich". Makes for some good chuckle time for me!

pete311

07-12-2017, 02:43 PM

I see pretty much no issue myself. Another crazy pile on and craziness over something that was nothing. I read the emails and what not and see no big deal myself, but I'll be accused of being a Trump homer. Fact is, there's simply once again nothing there. If someone detests him, they'll be angry at all of it and how Trump Jr. presented himself. That shit don't bother me, as Dad and Son can be knuckleheads for all I care. I care about the issues, promises and successes.

It's pretty clear to me now, that the Trumps will get a pass on anything as long as some campaign promises are met. He really could shoot someone dead and get away with it. You not thinking he did anything wrong does not mean he didn't do anything wrong. Right now it's up for debate whether he violated election law.

"This is a case where a campaign may have been openly courting support from a foreign national in trying win an election. And that is squarely prohibited by the federal campaign finance laws," Bauer said.
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/11/536711570/the-question-hanging-over-washington-did-donald-trump-jr-break-the-law

jimnyc

07-12-2017, 03:22 PM

It's pretty clear to me now, that the Trumps will get a pass on anything as long as some campaign promises are met. He really could shoot someone dead and get away with it. You not thinking he did anything wrong does not mean he didn't do anything wrong. Right now it's up for debate whether he violated election law.

"This is a case where a campaign may have been openly courting support from a foreign national in trying win an election. And that is squarely prohibited by the federal campaign finance laws," Bauer said.
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/11/536711570/the-question-hanging-over-washington-did-donald-trump-jr-break-the-law

Sure, I can see how this is JUST LIKE shooting someone!! :rolleyes:

Hell, you don't acknowledge any successes, any promises kept or anything positive at all. You would rather focus on some crap like this, that has NOTHING at the end of it, and then proclaim everyone is giving a pass. Fact is, there's simply nothing there to give a pass to.

And then you find things like "may have" and run around with it as if it's gospel and supports your every whining word - when it doesn't. Just as like when all you liberal wheenies stated the SAME crap about Trump and all of the Russia collusion up to this point. Oh, and how much proof did the intel agencies have that backed that up - the intel that all the dems had access to? Oh, that's right. they ALL came back and said NOTHING THERE. But how much did that stop everyone from stating the same crap you are now - none at all. So forgive me while I don't jump on the "hate Trump" bandwagon and lose my mind over absolutely nothing.

And you go on about "shooting someone" which is laughable - but JUST WHERE ARE you guys when ACTUAL shootings by black folks, and a SHIT TON of shootings in places like Chicago, and you guys clam up and are nowhere to be found. The wording and hypocrisy is stunningly laughable.

pete311

07-12-2017, 03:55 PM

Sure, I can see how this is JUST LIKE shooting someone!! :rolleyes:

Hell, you don't acknowledge any successes, any promises kept or anything positive at all. You would rather focus on some crap like this, that has NOTHING at the end of it, and then proclaim everyone is giving a pass. Fact is, there's simply nothing there to give a pass to.

And then you find things like "may have" and run around with it as if it's gospel and supports your every whining word - when it doesn't. Just as like when all you liberal wheenies stated the SAME crap about Trump and all of the Russia collusion up to this point. Oh, and how much proof did the intel agencies have that backed that up - the intel that all the dems had access to? Oh, that's right. they ALL came back and said NOTHING THERE. But how much did that stop everyone from stating the same crap you are now - none at all. So forgive me while I don't jump on the "hate Trump" bandwagon and lose my mind over absolutely nothing.

And you go on about "shooting someone" which is laughable - but JUST WHERE ARE you guys when ACTUAL shootings by black folks, and a SHIT TON of shootings in places like Chicago, and you guys clam up and are nowhere to be found. The wording and hypocrisy is stunningly laughable.

Guess it kinda sounds like you with Obama and Clinton. Suck it up buttercup.

jimnyc

07-12-2017, 03:57 PM

Guess it kinda sounds like you with Obama and Clinton. Suck it up buttercup.

I have nothing to suck up, I'm LOVING this presidency. Sounds like those whining over and over and over are those that need the sucking up. I couldn't have wished this President to be any better than what I wanted and expected. You can complain to your hearts content!!

pete311

07-12-2017, 05:01 PM

I have nothing to suck up, I'm LOVING this presidency. Sounds like those whining over and over and over are those that need the sucking up. I couldn't have wished this President to be any better than what I wanted and expected. You can complain to your hearts content!!

Stop trolling. You wish he'd stop using Twitter.

jimnyc

07-12-2017, 05:26 PM

Stop trolling. You wish he'd stop using Twitter.

Sure, now that I point out the obvious, that means somehow I'm trolling my own website. :laugh: :rolleyes:

I 100% absolutely do wish he would stop using twitter, or at least consider rethinking the manner of how he posts sometimes. But I LOVE the fact that he's got a way to get around the lying media and is able to get this message out to those in the public. He's just an ass many too many times with a few cringe inducing comments.

Doesn't change my view on his presidency in the slightest bit. I'm a little less concerned with some retarded words, that are generally always in response to the continued lies and made up news, that of course much of it that was found out and revealed. I tend to concern myself with how he runs the country, the decisions he makes, whether he keeps his promises and what he's able to do in the success department in getting shit done.

So yeah, "I wish he would stop using twitter".

And outside of that I am BEYOND thrilled with his presidency and the results of it thus far.

Now, if only the Democrats in congress would have any interest in seeing the country succeed, instead of blocking every last thing, for no reason but other than to block anything Trump does - JUST AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD. Hard to say one is going to oppose EVERYTHING before they even know what everything was. But that's how they roll.

pete311

07-12-2017, 05:36 PM

Now, if only the Democrats in congress would have any interest in seeing the country succeed, instead of blocking every last thing, for no reason but other than to block anything Trump does - JUST AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD. Hard to say one is going to oppose EVERYTHING before they even know what everything was. But that's how they roll.

Republicans own the government. It's all on them. No one else to blame.

hjmick

07-12-2017, 05:50 PM

Republicans own the government. It's all on them. No one else to blame.

If only it were that simple...

pete311

07-12-2017, 06:12 PM

If only it were that simple...

yeah maybe if you had "God's own hand", then maybe you could get something done. When you own government, have the self proclaimed world's best negotiator who hired the best people in the world for positions and still can't get anything done. Wow. Seriously, what more do you want? oh I forgot, everything that's happened is some master plan by Trump. I got some snake oil for ya.

jimnyc

07-12-2017, 06:20 PM

Republicans own the government. It's all on them. No one else to blame.

Well, I'm more than happy, so I guess it's you who will need to find the blame. I just know that more could be accomplished if folks didn't decide 100% before even knowing that what an issue, subject, choice or anything is even brought up or made.

And when the Democrats owned the government, they still only bitched and whined and then blamed the republicans for 8 years claiming obstruction.

Pete, I'm THRILLED with the way things are going. Do you comprehend that? So your little jabs, lame comments and views with no facts to back them up, anonymous sources & other things from the media that has been busted lying about Trump on more than several fronts. With all of that, Trump has still accomplished more than Obama did in many years. And he's rolled back TONS of shitty regulations that he failed with. And wrote other orders to make his lame legacy go *poof* and disappear, like the useless fart he was.

You're right, the republicans DO own the government. And as I said a LONG way back, that ALL you guys had left was to sit back and watch, and bitch and moan from the sidelines. I'm having a blast so far. Hope your view is as great as mine is!! :thumb:

jimnyc

07-12-2017, 06:22 PM

yeah maybe if you had "God's own hand", then maybe you could get something done. When you own government, have the self proclaimed world's best negotiator who hired the best people in the world for positions and still can't get anything done. Wow. Seriously, what more do you want? oh I forgot, everything that's happened is some master plan by Trump. I got some snake oil for ya.

But Pete, it's ONLY the retarded like yourself that are too stupid and dense to even acknowledge all of his accomplishments. I suppose it's perhaps you're a whiny little liberal weenie that thinks success on the other side is failure for his "own side". And I guess it is! :laugh2:

Sucks to be you. I see nothing but endless success and promises kept!! It's a beautiful life not being a liberal!!

hjmick

07-12-2017, 06:33 PM

aboutime

07-12-2017, 06:46 PM

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YOU EARNED IT....

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 12:04 PM

Now that I've read up on the whole 'scandal' during my absence, it seems pretty obvious that any campaign would do exactly the same thing were the roles reversed. Someone who claims to have dirt on your opponent would be definitely listened to - and it turned out that it was just a ploy to get Jr's attention.

I defy anyone to claim they wouldn't at least listen to what the person had to say. The whole thing is silly.

This guy sums it all up pretty nicely :

Let me break down how this is going to end: Liberals are going to gobble yet another Treason Viagra and the hot chick of success is gonna let them buy her a pricey dinner and then smile and say “Let's just be friends.”

Again.

:laugh::laugh2::lmao:

I would almost feel sorry for them if they weren’t a bunch of evil, aspiring fascists who want to turn all of America into Evergreen College.

Oh, meanwhile in Iraq, which never mattered to Democrats, the people who were slicing the heads off dudes, tossing gays off buildings, and selling women into sex slavery, have been annihilated. This happened under the tender loving care of Mad Dog Mattis, the guy who Trump put in command of our armies and who refocused our military away from making it more comfortable for people who don't understand that a penis makes you male to killing our civilization’s enemies.

Much more : https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/07/13/this-time-we-liberals-have-totally-got-trump-wash-rinse-repeat-n2353881

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 01:27 PM

And it wasn't just dirt, apparently they were told that they had proof of illegal or other bad activities. I too would have been all over that, and of course tossed it out there had I found it. No different than the media gathering things like that and running with it as if it were fact. At least Jr. didn't do that.

pete311

07-14-2017, 01:28 PM

I defy anyone to claim they wouldn't at least listen to what the person had to say. The whole thing is silly.

It's pretty clear to me it's against election law. A campaign can't receive help from a foreign country, much less as adversarial one. What if it was a meeting with someone connected to the North Koreans or Iran? Russia is not our friend.

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 01:33 PM

It's pretty clear to me it's against election law. A campaign can't receive help from a foreign country, much less adversarial. What if it was a meeting with someone connected to the North Koreans or Iran? Russia is not our friend.

Seeing that the liberals are foaming at the mouth over this stuff....

Is CHEATING against the rules? Is cheating something to shrug the shoulders over? Funny how the liberals were fairly silent over a few times cheating on the left. Same as the yawning they did over illegal servers. And then further yawned when emails were released showing cheating, and how they would gather information and/or use other tricks to go after Trump with bogus information.

And this was just a Russian attorney, NOT the Russian or NK government.

So go NUTS over something that turns out basically shit information, but has Trump's name connected. But when ACTUAL cheating occurs and worse, since it's democrats involved - we get a big long yawn.

So here, yes, we have a NOTHING BURGER - compared to an entire Steak and Lobster meal with Caviar on the side from the democrats - generally on a weekly basis.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 01:34 PM

It's pretty clear to me it's against election law. A campaign can't receive help from a foreign country, much less as adversarial one.

My statement stands, and it wasn't the Russian Government. Any reasonable person is going to listen to what the supposed informer has to say. And there wasn't any information relevant at all, as it turns out.

Strike 4,923.

What if it was a meeting with someone connected to the North Koreans or Iran? Russia is not our friend.

What if it was Elvis disguised as bigfoot with information regarding Jimmy Hoffa?

Black Diamond

07-14-2017, 01:37 PM

It's pretty clear to me it's against election law. A campaign can't receive help from a foreign country, much less as adversarial one. What if it was a meeting with someone connected to the North Koreans or Iran? Russia is not our friend.
So Obama should be prosecuted for giving Iran $200 billion?

pete311

07-14-2017, 01:38 PM

And this was just a Russian attorney, NOT the Russian or NK government.

So go NUTS over something that turns out basically shit information, but has Trump's name connected. But when ACTUAL cheating occurs and worse, since it's democrats involved - we get a big long yawn.

So here, yes, we have a NOTHING BURGER - compared to an entire Steak and Lobster meal with Caviar on the side from the democrats - generally on a weekly basis.

Her connections to the gov have been made pretty clear. It also has come to light recently there was another man, who was a Russian counter intelligence operative was also in the room.

The fact there was no dirt is not a good defense. If you conspire to murder someone, but end up not, is that a nothing burger too? No, you still go to prison. And btw, since DT Jr has proven to be a lier, why should we just take him as his word that nothing of value was exchanged. The following day Trump tweeted about Hilary's 33k emails. We'll find out for sure at some point.

pete311

07-14-2017, 01:38 PM

So Obama should be prosecuted for giving Iran $200 billion?

How was that connected to a campaign?

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 01:42 PM

Her connections to the gov have been made pretty clear. It also has come to light recently there was another man, who was a Russian counter intelligence operative was also in the room.

The fact there was no dirt is not a good defense. If you conspire to murder someone, but end up not, is that a nothing burger too? No, you still go to prison. And btw, since DT Jr has proven to be a lier, why should we just take him as his word that nothing of value was exchanged. We'll find out for sure at some point.

Make the direct connections with TRUE proof here...

WHO specifically is this Russian operative? And no excuses, no more "anonymous" crap cuts it for me, Dems got away with that shit too much this year. So give SPECIFICS.

It was simply someone that was advised they could see information that Dems did illegal deeds. NOTHING wrong with wanting to see such proof and then release it.

But Hillary has been around since the early 90's and has lied and been busted AT LEAST 100x, and yet the democrat part voted her to be their choice. And yet you act like you are somehow worried about "lies". Sure, Pete, sure.

For now, please post direct PROOF of her connections, and whom this operative is, and proof of that visit/connection.

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 01:44 PM

How was that connected to a campaign?

It was a SHIT decision, which was done behind America's back, while we were told of a "different" kind of agreement he made with them. You're worried about a LIE - but no issue with the president LYING to ALL of America about this deal - and no one knew until WAY down the road that he snuck 400 million in cash to them on the sly.

No worries about such stuff, "we only hold republicans responsible..."

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 01:48 PM

Her connections to the gov have been made pretty clear. It also has come to light recently there was another man, who was a Russian counter intelligence operative was also in the room.

The fact there was no dirt is not a good defense. If you conspire to murder someone, but end up not, is that a nothing burger too? No, you still go to prison. And btw, since DT Jr has proven to be a lier, why should we just take him as his word that nothing of value was exchanged. The following day Trump tweeted about Hilary's 33k emails. We'll find out for sure at some point.

Pffft.

1) Unknown person makes contact with Jr saying they have damaging info on Hellary.

2) Jr says bring it.

3) Meeting happens, Jr quickly realizes informant has nothing and it was a ruse.

4) Jr ends the meeting and does something else actually productive, like helping to handily win the 2016 election.

Yeah, pretty nefarious shit there, Petey!

Seriously, even you should realize what a complete waste of time this is - and I think you do, but anything to try to change the results of the election, right? :laugh:

A more productive use of your time might be to start now to begin bribing GOP electors for 2020. Normies like me are only amused at your latest fail trying to find a scandal where there is none. And you lose more votes with every fail, so rigging the next election is your only hope.
Cheers! :beer:

pete311

07-14-2017, 01:50 PM

3) Meeting happens, Jr quickly realizes informant has nothing and it was a ruse.

4) Jr ends the meeting and does something else actually productive, like helping to handily win the 2016 election.

Prove it

pete311

07-14-2017, 01:51 PM

It was a SHIT decision, which was done behind America's back, while we were told of a "different" kind of agreement he made with them. You're worried about a LIE - but no issue with the president LYING to ALL of America about this deal - and no one knew until WAY down the road that he snuck 400 million in cash to them on the sly.

No worries about such stuff, "we only hold republicans responsible..."

I am worried about all lying. Stop distracting. You had your time with Obama and Hillary, now it's about Trump.

pete311

07-14-2017, 01:51 PM

Make the direct connections with TRUE proof here...

WHO specifically is this Russian operative? And no excuses, no more "anonymous" crap cuts it for me, Dems got away with that shit too much this year. So give SPECIFICS.

It was simply someone that was advised they could see information that Dems did illegal deeds. NOTHING wrong with wanting to see such proof and then release it.

But Hillary has been around since the early 90's and has lied and been busted AT LEAST 100x, and yet the democrat part voted her to be their choice. And yet you act like you are somehow worried about "lies". Sure, Pete, sure.

For now, please post direct PROOF of her connections, and whom this operative is, and proof of that visit/connection.

You can read the same reports as I. In the end this is up to Mueller.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 01:53 PM

Prove it

:confused:

Prove what? Do you have a UFO blog that gives a different account?

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 01:58 PM

I am worried about all lying. Stop distracting. You had your time with Obama and Hillary, now it's about Trump.

I thought I was clear? I have NO ISSUE with this story, NONE. But since YOU did, I made the connection, showing how the sides are treated differently by yourself.

So now one isn't able to point out the hypocrisy and/or the president prior? Amazing I tell you, considering the 8 years of "Bush did it" crap from all the liberals.

There's no distraction here as I don't feel there's anything to distract from. YOU are making that shit up to avoid the hypocrisy.

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 02:03 PM

You can read the same reports as I. In the end this is up to Mueller.

I have no problem with Mueller getting involved, none at all.

I have read reports and simply don't see the connection you are stating, hence me asking you for more info, which apparently you don't want to share.

You say "Russian Counter Intelligence Operative" - While I'm reading it was "Russian lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin"

So which is it, the liberal media lying about the lobbyist, or you knowing more than them and some unknown guy ALSO there who was some sort of spook? Additionally, he's ALSO an American. NEVER trained with anything, only reports from "unknowns" that he was also an operative. So what are we to worry about? That he ALREADY had information about Hillary? That WHAT happened after the meeting when the lawyer spoke of the same and everything that has been released? WHAT is your worry about this lobbyist and unproven "agent" or whatever you want to call him? Is YOUR accusation that Trump Jr. shared American secrets with him?

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 02:04 PM

:confused:

Prove what? Do you have a UFO blog that gives a different account?

He's being pissy because "I" asked for proof of anonymous and unknown sources and information. He prefers to toss out whatever he can and never be questioned on any of it. :rolleyes:

pete311

07-14-2017, 02:18 PM

The law is clear
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 02:21 PM

The law is clear
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

§ 110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/) U.S.C. 30121 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121), 36 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/36) U.S.C. 510).

And where does it say you're not allowed to talk to and exchange information with other people?

pete311

07-14-2017, 02:26 PM

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And where does it say you're not allowed to talk to and exchange information with other people?

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 02:28 PM

pete311

07-14-2017, 02:30 PM

Reading comprehension issues again, Petey?

It says absolutely nothing about meeting with or talking to anyone, foreign or domestic.

Was she a foreign national? Would her information she was allegedly going to give contribute to the Trump Campaign during an election? Yes and Yes. Now read the law again.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 02:38 PM

Was she a foreign national? Would her information she was allegedly going to give contribute to the Trump Campaign during an election? Yes and Yes. Now read the law again.

Was there a condition attached for monetary exchange for the information?

Nope. I read the email chain. And so did you.

And it's very amusing to watch you try to pervert the law which specifically is talking about actual monetary exchange for influence in our elections.

Only in deranged moonbat sites that you corrupt your thought processes would you find idiots arguing something so absolutely asinine. Where are you getting your hilarious arguments from? The same place that you dredged up the Emoluments Clause that was a sure-fire way to impeach Trump right after the election? :thumb:

pete311

07-14-2017, 02:40 PM

Was there a condition attached for monetary exchange for the information?

Nope. I read the email chain. And so did you.

And it's very amusing to watch you try to pervert the law which specifically is talking about actual monetary exchange for influence in our elections.

Only in deranged moonbat sites that you corrupt your thought processes would you find idiots arguing something so absolutely asinine. Where are you getting your hilarious arguments from? The same place that you dredged up the Emoluments Clause that was a sure-fire way to impeach Trump right after the election? :thumb:

Contribution OR money donation. If contribution is only money, you are telling me the law could be rewritten as "Money or money donation"?

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 02:41 PM

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 02:43 PM

Was she a foreign national? Would her information she was allegedly going to give contribute to the Trump Campaign during an election? Yes and Yes. Now read the law again.

Make the connection with the monetary value to his campaign. IT DOESN'T exist unless one wants to swear their comprehension issues are valid.

Hell, if what you're saying is true, then ALL of the "speak" from foreign leaders and others would fit into your neat little nothing. I guess every comment Putin made about Hillary, towards Trump, would have him impeached! Foreign leaders, that spoke out against Trump, I guess Hillary is in deep doo doo. :rolleyes::rolleyes: :laugh:

pete311

07-14-2017, 02:45 PM

Make the connection with the monetary value to his campaign. IT DOESN'T exist unless one wants to swear their comprehension issues are valid.

Contribution or money. The information would have been a contribution.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 02:46 PM

Contribution OR money donation. If contribution is only money, you are telling me the law could be rewritten as "Money or money donation"?

It's quite clear that the law is prohibiting money or anything of tangible value.

Talking with someone from another country is not prohibited. Don't be a fool.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 02:48 PM

Contribution or money. The information would have been a contribution.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Priceless!

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 02:49 PM

Contribution OR money donation. If contribution is only money, you are telling me the law could be rewritten as "Money or money donation"?

Interesting. On the FEC's website it's ALL about money money money!! Show me where it explains how you can't talk to a foreign national!!

Simply put, you are WRONG, WAY wrong. It's all about money money money!

Contributions, funds, money money money!!! NOT "contributions" in simply speaking with someone. :rolleyes:

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Contents
Introduction
The Prohibition
Who is a Foreign National?
Individuals: The "Green Card" Exception
Domestic Subsidiaries and Foreign-Owned Corporations
PAC Contributions for Federal Activity
Corporate Contributions for Nonfederal Activity
Volunteer Activity
Non-election Activity by Foreign Nationals
Assisting Foreign National Contributions or Donations
Knowingly Soliciting, Accepting or Receiving Contributions and Donations from Foreign Nationals
Monitoring Prohibited Contributions

Introduction'

The ban on political contributions and expenditures by foreign nationals was first enacted in 1966 as part of the amendments to the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), an "internal security" statute. The goal of the FARA was to minimize foreign intervention in U.S. elections by establishing a series of limitations on foreign nationals. These included registration requirements for the agents of foreign principals and a general prohibition on political contributions by foreign nationals. In 1974, the prohibition was incorporated into the Federal Election Campaign Act (the FECA), [HTML] [PDF] giving the Federal Election Commission (FEC) jurisdiction over its enforcement and interpretation.

This brochure has been developed to help clarify the rules regarding the political activity of foreign nationals; however, it is not intended to provide an exhaustive discussion of the election law. If you have any questions after reading this, please contact the FEC in Washington, D.C., at 1-800-424-9530 or 202-694-1100. Members of the press should contact the FEC Press Office at 202-694-1220 or at the toll free number listed above.

Except where otherwise noted, all citations refer to the Act and FEC regulations. Advisory Opinions (AOs) issued by the Commission are also cited.

The Prohibition
The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.

Who is a Foreign National?
The following groups and individuals are considered "foreign nationals" and are, therefore, subject to the prohibition:

Foreign governments;
Foreign political parties;
Foreign corporations;
Foreign associations;
Foreign partnerships;
Individuals with foreign citizenship; and
Immigrants who do not have a "green card."

Individuals: The "Green Card" Exception
An immigrant may make a contribution if he or she has a "green card" indicating his or her lawful admittance for permanent residence in the United States.

Domestic Subsidiaries and Foreign-Owned Corporations
A U.S. subsidiary of a foreign corporation or a U.S. corporation that is owned by foreign nationals may be subject to the prohibition, as discussed below.

PAC Contributions for Federal Activity
A domestic subsidiary of a foreign corporation may not establish a federal political action committee (PAC) to make federal contributions if:

The foreign parent corporation finances the PAC's establishment, administration, or solicitation costs; or
Individual foreign nationals:
Participate in the operation of the PAC;
Serve as officers of the PAC;
Participated in the selection of persons who operate the PAC; or
Make decisions regarding PAC contributions or expenditure. 11 CFR 110.20(i).
(See also AOs 2000-17, 1995-15, 1990-8, 1989-29, and 1989-20.)

Corporate Contributions for Nonfederal Activity
Additionally, a domestic subsidiary of a foreign corporation (or a domestic corporation owned by foreign nationals) may not donate funds or anything of value in connection with state or local elections if:

These activities are financed by the foreign parent or owner; or
Individual foreign nationals are involved in any way in the making of donations to nonfederal candidates and committees.[1]
Please note that many states place additional restrictions on donations made to nonfederal candidates and committees. 11 CFR 110.20(i). (See also AOs 1992-16, 1985-3, 1982-10, and Matter Under Review (MUR) 2892.)

Volunteer Activity
Generally, an individual may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone. 11 CFR 100.74. The Commission has addressed applicability of this exemption to volunteer activity by a foreign national, as explained below.

In AO 1987-25, the Commission allowed a foreign national student to provide uncompensated volunteer services to a Presidential campaign. By contrast, the decision in AO 1981-51 prohibited a foreign national artist from donating his services in connection with fundraising for a Senate campaign.[2]

Non-election Activity by Foreign Nationals

Despite the general prohibition on foreign national contributions and donations, foreign nationals may lawfully engage in political activity that is not connected with any election to political office at the federal, state, or local levels. The FEC has clarified such activity with respect to individuals' activities.

In AO 1989-32, the Commission concluded that although foreign nationals could make disbursements solely to influence ballot issues, a foreign national could not contribute to a ballot committee that had coordinated its efforts with a nonfederal candidate's re-election campaign.

In AO 1984-41, the Commission allowed a foreign national to underwrite the broadcast of apolitical ads that attempted to expose the alleged political bias of the media. The Commission found that these ads were not election influencing because they did not mention candidates, political offices, political parties, incumbent federal officeholders or any past or future election.[3]

Assisting Foreign National Contributions or Donations
Under Commission regulations it is unlawful to knowingly provide substantial assistance to foreign nationals making contributions or donations in connection with any U.S. election. 11 CFR 110.20(h). "Substantial assistance" refers to active involvement in the solicitation, making, receipt or acceptance of a foreign national contribution or donation with the intent of facilitating the successful completion of the transaction. This prohibition includes, but is not limited to individuals who act as conduits or intermediaries. 67 FR 69945-6 (November 19, 2002) [PDF].

Soliciting, Accepting, or Receiving Contributions and Donations from Foreign Nationals
As noted earlier, the Act prohibits knowingly soliciting, accepting or receiving contributions or donations from foreign nationals. In this context, "knowingly" means that a person:

Has actual knowledge that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national;
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are likely to be from a foreign national;
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national.
11 CFR 110.20(a)(4)(i), (ii) and (iii).
Pertinent facts that may lead to inquiry by the recipient include, but are not limited to the following: A donor or contributor uses a foreign passport, provides a foreign address,

makes a contribution from a foreign bank, or resides abroad. Obtaining a copy of a current and valid U.S. passport would satisfy the duty to inquire whether the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national. 11 CFR 110.20(a)(7).

Monitoring Prohibited Contributions
When a federal political committee (a committee active in federal elections) receives a contribution it believes may be from a foreign national, it must:

Return the contribution to the donor without depositing it; or
Deposit the contribution and take steps to determine its legality, as described below.
Either action must be taken within 10 days of the treasurer's receipt. 11 CFR 103.3(b)(1).

If the committee decides to deposit the contribution, the treasurer must make sure that the funds are not spent because they may have to be refunded. Additionally, he or she must maintain a written record explaining why the contribution may be prohibited.[4] 11 CFR 103.3(b)(4) and (5). The legality of the contribution must be confirmed within 30 days of the treasurer's receipt, or the committee must issue a refund.[5]

If the committee deposits a contribution that appears to be legal, but later discovers that the deposited contribution is from a foreign national, it must refund the contribution within 30 days of making the discovery. If a committee lacks sufficient funds to make a refund when a prohibited contribution is discovered, it must use the next funds it receives. 11 CFR 103.3(b)(1) and (2).

https://transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 02:50 PM

Contribution or money. The information would have been a contribution.

I'll get more from the FEC pages if you like, and continue to be obtuse - but contribution is about funding and donating. NOWHERE does it discuss what you claim.

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 02:52 PM

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Priceless!

Beyond priceless, more like sad and pathetic. I've admitted I was wrong on here hundreds of time. One only looks foolish when corrected and continue to run on baseless crap, because it's too hard to admit one was mistaken.

pete311

07-14-2017, 02:53 PM

It's quite clear that the law is prohibiting money or anything of tangible value.

Talking with someone from another country is not prohibited. Don't be a fool.

It no where says tangible. In the full law it mentions foreigners can't provide a campaign with any "thing of value". Certainly information can be valued.

pete311

07-14-2017, 02:55 PM

Beyond priceless, more like sad and pathetic. I've admitted I was wrong on here hundreds of time. One only looks foolish when corrected and continue to run on baseless crap, because it's too hard to admit one was mistaken.

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 02:58 PM

pete311

07-14-2017, 03:01 PM

You stay with that, Pete. I couldn't care less if you truly are that dense, or are purposely remaining so, in order to not be a man and admit when you're wrong. Either way, it's on you. The facts are right there for anyone to read. If there were something that claimed what you state, that simply speaking with someone counted as "monetary", you would have already posted it.

Enjoy being obtuse though, as every time you present yourself as such, I feel much better about myself. :)

Information has value. People buy, sell, trade it all the time. We don't know for sure he didn't receive information. Even if he didn't, conspiracy to receive information or solicit for is the same.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 03:15 PM

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

I realize you're deliberately being stupid, but just in case... a contribution could be a yacht, or a house outside Moscow, or a small tropical island, or a golf membership, or a vacation package, or a helicopter, or a pack of chewing gum. If it has a tangible value, that's a contribution or "a thing of value".

If the law prohibited talking to foreign nationals during an election campaign, it would explicitly state that.

But let's indulge your bizarre little fantasy for a moment : why did Hellary meet with Egypt and Ukraine's leaders in September 2016?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/hillary-clinton-united-nations-meeting/index.html

There's literally thousands of examples of Presidential candidates and their affiliates speaking with foreigners all over the interwebs.

My 14 year old son knows that it's common practice for our politicians to regularly talk with people the world over - since we're the Lone Superpower on the planet. And that includes Presidential Candidates. Foreign Policy is kind of a Big Thing these days, you know.

But keep digging, Petey! You're bound to find something down in that Rabbit Hole.

pete311

07-14-2017, 03:36 PM

If it has a tangible value, that's a contribution or "a thing of value".

You and Jim are being both incredibly insulting. I don't see any support for your claim here. Information has value. Do you want to debate that? You act like this "talk" was about how nice Sochi is in winter.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 03:49 PM

You and Jim are being both incredibly insulting. I don't see any support for your claim here. Information has value. Do you want to debate that? You act like this "talk" was about how nice Sochi is in winter.

Mmmhmmm.

Explain how not one peep of lawbreaking allegations were uttered when Hillary met with Egypt and Ukraine's leaders ONE MONTH before the election.

If it were illegal, I'm quite confident that someone would have published the story. And a couple of Senators & Congressmen would have made a few scathing speeches about it. I'd also wager a great deal of money that Trump would have mentioned it. :rolleyes:

jimnyc

07-14-2017, 03:59 PM

I'm dropping this one in your lap, Rick. I can only explain things a few different ways, and link to the actual FEC pages that explain things. I know Pete isn't stupid, so I am going with the 'refuse to admit one is wrong' theory. But quite frankly, I really no longer care. Anyone reading knows the dealio. You humor him if you like, I'm going back to reality and looking at some pictures of Alaska again! :)

pete311

07-14-2017, 04:19 PM

Mmmhmmm.

Explain how not one peep of lawbreaking allegations were uttered when Hillary met with Egypt and Ukraine's leaders ONE MONTH before the election.

If it were illegal, I'm quite confident that someone would have published the story. And a couple of Senators & Congressmen would have made a few scathing speeches about it. I'd also wager a great deal of money that Trump would have mentioned it. :rolleyes:

What was the meeting about? The meeting is not the issue, it's the reason for it.

aboutime

07-14-2017, 05:46 PM

AT least...petey boy is consistent. Per the Liberal, DNC instructions created by Democrats long ago. He is consistently following the "REPEAT A LIE BIG ENOUGH", as his obvious hero once said:

Joseph Goebbels On the "Big Lie" - Jewish Virtual Library
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield ...

<img src="http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-a-lie-told-once-remains-a-lie-but-a-lie-told-a-thousand-times-becomes-the-truth-joseph-goebbels-70-50-03.jpg">

pete311

07-14-2017, 06:03 PM

AT least...petey boy is consistent. Per the Liberal, DNC instructions created by Democrats long ago. He is consistently following the "REPEAT A LIE BIG ENOUGH", as his obvious hero once said:

Joseph Goebbels On the "Big Lie" - Jewish Virtual Library
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot)
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield ...

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-a-lie-told-once-remains-a-lie-but-a-lie-told-a-thousand-times-becomes-the-truth-joseph-goebbels-70-50-03.jpg

Great quote, it's exactly how Trump operates.

aboutime

07-14-2017, 06:06 PM

Great quote, it's exactly how Trump operates.

So now you're saying TRUMP COPIES YOU! Not new news petey. YOU WIN the stupid award for repeating your own stupid words so often.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 09:03 PM

What was the meeting about? The meeting is not the issue, it's the reason for it.

You found that in the supposedly broken law, too? Where?

Black Diamond

07-14-2017, 09:13 PM

You found that in the supposedly broken law, too? Where?
It's illegal to say I love it.

pete311

07-14-2017, 10:10 PM

You found that in the supposedly broken law, too? Where?

What?

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 10:22 PM

What?

Don't get up.

Stay down.

Black Diamond

07-14-2017, 10:31 PM

Don't get up.

Stay down.
I wonder if trump is the leak.

NightTrain

07-14-2017, 10:46 PM

I wonder if trump is the leak.

When it comes to moonbat conspiracy theories, anything is possible.

hjmick

07-15-2017, 12:20 PM

jimnyc

07-15-2017, 01:08 PM

As long as the leaks continue, as long as he is or appears to be embattled, as long as he continues his Twitter attacks, as long as people focus on Russia Russia Russia, folks will forget that not a single brick has been laid along the border, tax cuts have not (and will probably not) happen, the ACA has not been repealed (and, last I checked, the new healthcare bill is worse unless you're rich, not to mention that they have once again exempted themselves from having to buy insurance under the plan, just like ACA), they'll ignore his recent mention of "comprehensive immigration reform" in regard to his wishie-washiness on DACA, which by now we know is code for "amnesty" based on past presidencies. When do we move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem? How many other campaign promises will be forgotten because of all the distractions stemming from the leaks and suspicions and investigations and idiotic crap spewing from the Presidents mouth and finger tips?

Sometimes it feels like we're being played, most of the time it feels like Trump is in this for Trump, not we the people. Padding his résumé if you will...

FWIW, wall stuff did start happening very quickly, and has continued since in various planning and testing stages. Unfortunately, the president alone cannot pay for things. Congress needs to play ball a little more, and then allow money to come back down the road. Because it's Trump, they are saying NO before any words ever meet paper. But those bricks have started at least.

I agree about Twitter, although I would be cool with his words being better placed out there by an editor. I still like the idea of bypassing the shitty media, and they showed us in the past year exactly why.

Whomever is writing all of the healthcare bill - sucks. There are certain things that would help get more on board, like some medicare stuff, but seems like they want to keep pushing the same thing out there. While sometimes what ONE side wants looks good, things like this take a little compromise. Hell, these dumbasses can't even get their own folks to fully support. And I agree 100000000% - there should be a law forcing everyone, including the President and his family, to also use any such plans they force Americans to accept.

He's failed on some promises, but kept an awful lot already for someone in office 7-8 months only.

I would LOVE things to get bigger and harder against 'illegal' immigration. But I'm loving the numbers I am seeing, even if it's for reasons not always on paper, like fear!

Not 100% sure why the embassy hasn't been moved. I wish they did that on day one. But I don't know what repercussions may result with such a move, but quite frankly, myself, I wouldn't care.

I think the Dems and the LMSM are mostly responsible for the non-stop Russia in our faces. And I believe the severe overwhelming majority is BS. But Trump ain't no better when refusing to ignore any jabs or incorrect statements, or at least when he replies like an asshole. I think him and the family should try their best to ignore that crap AND the social media, and let attorneys reply if and when it's needed. But Trump's style of replying to such claims and charges only exacerbate things.

I will only say this much for sure - he HAS kept a lot of promises in a short time, and has succeeded with a bunch of shit in a short time. But much of it is ignored or simply not recognized, because of the rest of the crap - of which he contributes to. But yeps, drop the twitter crap and other contributing to the CRAP from the LMSM, and I think things "look" differently. But I'll be the first to admit, I don't think he has those capabilities. That's why I often try to concentrate on the job, and the results and such. I never cared about stupid words, even if he is the worst Prez ever in that department. But he didn't get my vote to be nice or to speak great like Obama did or to have the LMSM shove lies down our throats for however many years. It may not always be pretty, but so long as results are done, I'm cool. Even cooler if those results are for the things that were high on my list. :)

Black Diamond

07-15-2017, 01:57 PM

He has accomplished a lot and not accomplished a lot. I thought he wants the media and democrats distracted. I love it how the buck stops here unless the president is Obama.

jimnyc

07-15-2017, 02:15 PM

He has accomplished a lot and not accomplished a lot. I thought he wants the media and democrats distracted. I love it how the buck stops here unless the president is Obama.

Trump and/or junior spoke with a lobbyist from Russia. Didn't Obama go to another country and more or less campaign for someone? Didn't the Democrats run rampant with the "dossier" and other information gained from RUSSIA, even if hackers? In fact, there was a LOT of "crap" that was garnered by others, that Democrats and Shrillary ran with as if it were spoken directly from Trump's lips. Then we had folks listening in on foreign calls, and then using the information they listened in on aka stole, and then used THAT to help Hillary's campaign. The hypocrisy if you look at the full picture is stunning.

pete311

07-16-2017, 10:44 AM

Didn't Obama go to another country and more or less campaign for someone?

Did he lie about meeting an adversary who would provide him with information that would help his campaign?

NightTrain

07-16-2017, 10:48 AM

Did he lie about meeting an adversary who would provide him with information that would help his campaign?

Who lied?

And how is that illegal?

jimnyc

07-16-2017, 11:09 AM

Did he lie about meeting an adversary who would provide him with information that would help his campaign?

Oh, could have sworn someone said it was about the intent and the conspiracy, not that it didn't work?

And you deleting all of the other things I wrote - well I'll just say thank you for seeing what I said and not debating it. :)

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 11:22 AM

Did he lie about meeting an adversary who would provide him with information that would help his campaign?
You still can't accept the fact Hillary lost to trump, can you ?

and why didn't you hold Obama's feet to the fire and want him prosecuted for giving our enemy $200 billion?

pete311

07-16-2017, 11:26 AM

Who lied?

And how is that illegal?

"Donald Trump Jr. had denied participating in any campaign-related meetings with Russian nationals when he was interviewed by The Times in March. “Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did,” he said. “But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

pete311

07-16-2017, 11:27 AM

You still can't accept the fact Hillary lost to trump, can you ?

and why didn't you hold Obama's feet to the fire and want him prosecuted for giving our enemy $200 billion?

You guys are obsessed with Hillary and Obama. Guess what, they aren't relevant anymore.

pete311

07-16-2017, 11:31 AM

Oh, could have sworn someone said it was about the intent and the conspiracy, not that it didn't work?

What are you talking about? Please show me when Obama met with a foreign national to get dirt on his competitor's campaign.

jimnyc

07-16-2017, 11:34 AM

You guys are obsessed with Hillary and Obama. Guess what, they aren't relevant anymore.

Do a search on "Bush did it" and similar. How you knuckleheads can forget 8 years of blaming Bush for ANYTHING negative that Obama was actually responsible for, blows the mind.

So now, if Obama/Hillary have NOTHING to do with anything 7 months in, then neither did Bush when Obama was in office. I guess some back tracking should now be done, and that adds about 2,000 things or so that Obama completely fucked up, that his fans repeatedly blamed Bush for.

I know, I know, now tell us about somehow it's different.

NightTrain

07-16-2017, 11:35 AM

“Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did,” he said.

Reading is fun!

Now, how is talking to a foreign national illegal?

NightTrain

07-16-2017, 11:36 AM

What are you talking about? Please show me when Obama met with a foreign national to get dirt on his competitor's campaign.

Show us where Trump did.

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 11:37 AM

You guys are obsessed with Hillary and Obama. Guess what, they aren't relevant anymore.
And you're a hypocrite obsessed with trump.

jimnyc

07-16-2017, 11:38 AM

What are you talking about? Please show me when Obama met with a foreign national to get dirt on his competitor's campaign.

You don't remember Obama getting involved in foreign elections? Collecting FISA warrants. His team releasing phone calls that emanated from those calls with foreigners? What's the difference? Where did the so called "Trump Dossier" come from? That's right, Russian hackers. Are you saying that you don't believe that Obama, Hillary and the DNC didn't run rampant with all of that information? This was dirt. This was dirt that came from Russia. This was dirt that was used a LONG time against Trump.

What was different? The only thing different is that a lot in this so called dossier, that the Dems ran with, was FALSE.

Yeah, I know Pete, it's all somehow different. :rolleyes: :laugh:

And what's worse, a campaign meeting to find out what supposed dirt they had about Hillary and supposedly breaking laws.... or ACTUALLY being RED HANDED BUSTED CHEATING!!!! And even after that, the Dems chose her to lead them. :rolleyes:

jimnyc

07-16-2017, 11:39 AM

And you're a hypocrite obsessed with trump.

Why yes, yes he is. When I think of the Dems, the word HYPOCRISY lights up the entire Eastern Seaboard!!

pete311

07-16-2017, 11:40 AM

Reading is fun!

Now, how is talking to a foreign national illegal?

It was actually campaign related which he denied initially. The context of the talk and information provided is important, we've already been through this already.

pete311

07-16-2017, 11:40 AM

And you're a hypocrite obsessed with trump.

Guess who's president. He is relevant.

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 11:41 AM

What are you talking about? Please show me when Obama met with a foreign national to get dirt on his competitor's campaign.
Point out where trump has given our enemy $200 billion.

pete311

07-16-2017, 11:43 AM

You don't remember Obama getting involved in foreign elections? Collecting FISA warrants. His team releasing phone calls that emanated from those calls with foreigners? What's the difference? Where did the so called "Trump Dossier" come from? That's right, Russian hackers. Are you saying that you don't believe that Obama, Hillary and the DNC didn't run rampant with all of that information? This was dirt. This was dirt that came from Russia. This was dirt that was used a LONG time against Trump.

What was different? The only thing different is that a lot in this so called dossier, that the Dems ran with, was FALSE.

Yeah, I know Pete, it's all somehow different. :rolleyes: :laugh:

And what's worse, a campaign meeting to find out what supposed dirt they had about Hillary and supposedly breaking laws.... or ACTUALLY being RED HANDED BUSTED CHEATING!!!! And even after that, the Dems chose her to lead them. :rolleyes:

This is about the domestic election, not foreign. It's how you get the information. If they got it directly from soliciting a foreign national, then yeah, it's a problem. So prove it.

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 11:43 AM

Guess who's president. He is relevant.
He wasn't president when Donnie met with the Russian. Obama WAS president when he gave Iran $200 billion

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 11:44 AM

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10716&stc=1

pete311

07-16-2017, 11:45 AM

Point out where trump has given our enemy $200 billion.

That is relevant how?

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 11:50 AM

That is relevant how?
It's relevant to my point. you want trump thrown out of office because his son said I love it and did nothing. You praised Obama even though he gave our enemy $200 billion.
Maybe orange really is the new black.

NightTrain

07-16-2017, 12:01 PM

It was actually campaign related which he denied initially. The context of the talk and information provided is important, we've already been through this already.

Jr already said he was sure he met with foreign nationals. Fun Fact for you : he did and it was perfectly legal.

No matter how hard you whip yourself into a frenzy and try to twist existing law, you've got nothing. A big, whopping zero.

It's fun to watch you moonbats get your hopes up without actually understanding laws, precedent and custom, then compounding that by going on ignorant liberal groupthink only to see your "Ahh HAH!!" moment quietly die like all the others.

This is how America sees all you moonbats espousing the latest silly theory :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avcyqp_10Yk

It's sad and hilarious at the same time. I'm leaning toward the 'hilarious' camp, myself.

jimnyc

07-16-2017, 12:10 PM

This is about the domestic election, not foreign. It's how you get the information. If they got it directly from soliciting a foreign national, then yeah, it's a problem. So prove it.

Ummm, everything you just read WAS about the domestic election except for him helping in a foreign election, the rest ALL was about and things used during this past election. The dossier and other hacked materials from Russia, the FISA warrants, all the released calls from said warrants, or worse. Cheating several times in primaries. Having the MSM cheat along with you!! I could go on and on - but my experience tells me that you will DENY and have an excuse for EVERYTHING.

jimnyc

07-16-2017, 12:13 PM

That is relevant how?

Stunning that you don't see it. You couldn't care less about the SHIT that Obama and Hillary did - and now want to bitch and moan about a conversation, one that the president wasn't even involved in, and nothing came from.

But cheating, lying to the country, cheating again, the MSM cheating for you, campaigning for foreign countries, lying and sending millions in cold hard cash to the enemy, lying and using FISA to listen in on the other party's phone calls... Who cares right? :rolleyes:

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 12:26 PM

That is relevant how?
Speck and beam. That's how.

pete311

07-16-2017, 12:36 PM

Jr already said he was sure he met with foreign nationals. Fun Fact for you : he did and it was perfectly legal.

Not in a campaign matter he said. What don't understand about that? The legality is in question, we've been through that. Information has value.

pete311

07-16-2017, 12:38 PM

Ummm, everything you just read WAS about the domestic election except for him helping in a foreign election, the rest ALL was about and things used during this past election. The dossier and other hacked materials from Russia, the FISA warrants, all the released calls from said warrants, or worse. Cheating several times in primaries. Having the MSM cheat along with you!! I could go on and on - but my experience tells me that you will DENY and have an excuse for EVERYTHING.

This has to do with Trump Jr. how?

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 12:39 PM

Not in a campaign matter he said. What don't understand about that? The legality is in question, we've been through that. Information has value.
Is aiding and abetting our enemies legal ?

pete311

07-16-2017, 12:39 PM

Stunning that you don't see it. You couldn't care less about the SHIT that Obama and Hillary did - and now want to bitch and moan about a conversation, one that the president wasn't even involved in, and nothing came from.

But cheating, lying to the country, cheating again, the MSM cheating for you, campaigning for foreign countries, lying and sending millions in cold hard cash to the enemy, lying and using FISA to listen in on the other party's phone calls... Who cares right? :rolleyes:

Stay on point. You guys are like Trump. Masters of deflection. This is about Trump Jr.

jimnyc

07-16-2017, 01:10 PM

Just having fun stretching you around and making you work the peanut, Pete, that's all and nothing more.

Facts are, nothing illegal took place. Fact is, the Dems did 50x worse, and were busted, and you couldn't have cared less. Fact is, they were doing worse left and right, and you couldn't have cared less. Fact is, Trump has already kept tons of promises, and probably more than Obama kept in 8 years. Fact is, there are a lot of successes in Trump's name already.

I truly don't care that the Dems, and nitwits like Maxine Waters hate Trump, and want to run with the same debunked stories over and over, even when the leaders of their own party state they have seen intel, time and time again, and there's simply nothing there. But it's fun when those days come, and you see them swallowing that sandwich, and the rest of the Dems and their supporters suddenly go silent.

Run with it Petey!! Run For, I mean Petey! The promises are doing just fine in my book, I expected it to take longer for some. The progress is decent in many areas and admittedly could be much faster in other areas. But I guess if you're a liberal that lives off of the MSM, times must be tough when reality meets the lies.

In other words, Pete - times are GREAT for me right now, literally great!! And I see it with the violence, threats, lack of tolerance in SO MANY ways and different types of folks. The pure hatred that has literally been oozing since the election. The hypocrisy that I never even thought possible. Yeah, NOT so great for such folks. But BELIEVE ME, Pete, just like Trump says :) Believe me when I say times are great, never been happier. So your shit parade of lies and inability to see reality and campaign "talk" laws and shit that doesn't exist? Not only wrong - but funny too! I get a kick out of the misery of some. Why? Because these folks don't need be miserable, they MAKE themselves that way. So since it's their choice, and many of you liberals choose to sink with the non-existent ship, I use it for comedy value. Oh yeah, Pete, it's got VALUE for me, so therefore it MUST be against campaign laws!! :)

pete311

07-16-2017, 01:14 PM

Is aiding and abetting our enemies legal ?

Make another thread to discuss it

pete311

07-16-2017, 01:15 PM

Facts are, nothing illegal took place.
It's not a fact, stop saying that.

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 01:23 PM

It's not a fact, stop saying that.
Maybe if trump were brown instead of orange you'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

jimnyc

07-16-2017, 01:27 PM

It's not a fact, stop saying that.

Until I actually see a law broken, I WILL continue to state the current facts, that NO law has been broken. You haven't even come in the same universe as showing that being the case. But this is America, you're free to believe as you will and state your opinion when you please.

Since the moment Trump announced his candidacy, until today, there have been endless lies and speculation stated about him and his family. The anonymous sources became a laughable term. The amount of times that the MSM were busted lying was more than my prior 47 years combined. The WAPO and CNN are done but in the liberal world. They both outed themselves as liars and stations that can no longer be trusted. And of course, 2 MAJOR media outlets for news. Liberal bibles if you will. The hate is more hate than my 47 years prior. The amount of stretched out violence from the liberals after Trump supporters.

The liberals went over the edge, that much is clear. The true colors surfaced.

Black Diamond

07-16-2017, 01:46 PM

https://s11.postimg.org/5kxw059yn/image.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/5kxw059yn/)

pete311

07-16-2017, 03:09 PM

Until I actually see a law broken, I WILL continue to state the current facts, that NO law has been broken. You haven't even come in the same universe as showing that being the case. But this is America, you're free to believe as you will and state your opinion when you please.

Since the moment Trump announced his candidacy, until today, there have been endless lies and speculation stated about him and his family. The anonymous sources became a laughable term. The amount of times that the MSM were busted lying was more than my prior 47 years combined. The WAPO and CNN are done but in the liberal world. They both outed themselves as liars and stations that can no longer be trusted. And of course, 2 MAJOR media outlets for news. Liberal bibles if you will. The hate is more hate than my 47 years prior. The amount of stretched out violence from the liberals after Trump supporters.

The liberals went over the edge, that much is clear. The true colors surfaced.

I showed you the law already. The rest of your rant is irrelevant.

aboutime

07-16-2017, 03:16 PM

It's not a fact, stop saying that.

pOOR pETEY, AT IT AGAIN? You obviously have DAIN BRAMMAGE.

You can insist as much as you want, and repeat it as often as you like, but...NO LAWS HAVE BEEN BROKEN BY ANY OF THE TRUMP FAMILY.

And...
That's a FACT! Not even you can change.

NightTrain

07-17-2017, 12:48 PM

Here you go, Petey.

Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz, who voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election, told Fox News’s Jeanine Pirro he sees no crime in Donald Trump Jr’s behavior.

“I’m shocked as a civil libertarian, and a criminal lawyer and a liberal at how liberals are, some of them at least, prepared to stretch existing laws, talk about treason, talk about other kinds of crimes that just don’t exist when it comes to the facts as we know them about this meeting,” he said. “So I’m going to keep insisting we stop accusing people of crime when there is no evidence of crime.”

Pirro followed up, asking if receiving valuable information from a foreign national could be prosecuted under campaign finance laws.

“Of course not,” replied Dershowitz. “If it were to be prosecuted the First Amendment would trump. A candidate has a right to get information from whatever source the information comes. It’s like The New York Times publishing the Pentagon papers case or the Washington Post publishing material stolen by Snowden and Manning. You don’t prosecute the newspaper and you don’t prosecute the candidate or the candidate’s son. If the material was obtained unlawfully you prosecute if you can the people who obtain the material. But there is a First Amendment right of a candidate to use information. So you can’t include information under the campaign finance law, that would be unconstitutional."

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/07/17/dershowitz-shocked-how-far-the-left-is-talking-about-treason-with-no-evidence-n2355809

Are you smelling the coffee?

pete311

07-17-2017, 01:15 PM

Here you go, Petey.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/07/17/dershowitz-shocked-how-far-the-left-is-talking-about-treason-with-no-evidence-n2355809

Are you smelling the coffee?

lol Alan Dershowitz

NightTrain

07-17-2017, 01:28 PM

lol Alan Dershowitz

Yeah, a fellow liberal moonbat who teaches law at Harvard.

WTF does he know, right? :rolleyes:

jimnyc

07-17-2017, 01:39 PM

lol Alan Dershowitz

Dershowitz, legally speaking, is 100x smarter than ALL of us combined. He's also 100% spot on, and you're laughing at his 50 years of experience because he has a different legal opinion than you do. Imagine that, a Harvard student with 50 years of experience, knowing less than you and your how many years of legal experience?

Laugh as you like, as I laugh at you for even dreaming you knew more about the law than Dershowitz.

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Pirro followed up, asking if receiving valuable information from a foreign national could be prosecuted under campaign finance laws.

“Of course not,” replied Dershowitz. “If it were to be prosecuted the First Amendment would trump. A candidate has a right to get information from whatever source the information comes. It’s like The New York Times publishing the Pentagon papers case or the Washington Post publishing material stolen by Snowden and Manning. You don’t prosecute the newspaper and you don’t prosecute the candidate or the candidate’s son. If the material was obtained unlawfully you prosecute if you can the people who obtain the material. But there is a First Amendment right of a candidate to use information. So you can’t include information under the campaign finance law, that would be unconstitutional."

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So what is he incorrect about, Pete? The first amendment wouldn't trump? And WHY would he be wrong? Not just stating it, show us why.

If the NY Times, or WAPO or CNN literally published a "dossier" that included all of the same information, would it have been illegal for Trump Jr, or others, to possess said information and/or use it for a campaign? If you disagree with him, WHY? And be specific.

Why weren't the publications held accountable and prosecuted in some manner for the data they worked on and received? Please explain in an acceptable manner for me.

Are you stating that a candidate DOES NOT have the 1st amendment right to use information as such? For example, Hillary read/heard about things during the campaign, and her AND many others, including other candidates, took such information and ran with it. Was that illegal of them to do? Even if the information emanated from Russia? Please explain WHY if you say it is in fact illegal.

Thx in advance! :)

BoogyMan

07-17-2017, 07:20 PM

I doubt this is illegal but I am quite concerned about whether or not it is ethical.

If so, why didn't he STFU?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-releases-alleged-email-chain-regarding-russian-meeting.html

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/11/disaster-trump-jr-releases-e-mail-chain/

BTW, I didn't post on this for 2 days, waiting for someone else that isn't so 'negative' to do so. I really thought it would turn into 'nothing,' now not so sure.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/11/dershowitz-did-donald-trump-jr-commit-crime-or-merely-political-sin-it-depends.html

NightTrain

07-17-2017, 08:18 PM

I doubt this is illegal but I am quite concerned about whether or not it is ethical.

What sort of ethics concerns?

If I'd been on the team, I'd have listened to anyone claiming to have dirt on Hellary. Everyone knows she's dirty; what harm in listening to see what they have to say? One good scandal atop all the already known ones and she was finished.