UK Vehicle Into Pedestrians

[Kathianne]

not a 'fender bender' nor a 'mistake.' A 'significant event.'

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/18/europe/urgent---london-vehicle-collision/index.html


London vehicle hits pedestrians, police say 'number of casualties'By Alla Eshchenko, CNN


Updated 8:26 PM ET, Sun June 18, 2017

<cite class="el-editorial-source" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: CNN, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-weight: 700;">(CNN)</cite>A vehicle hit pedestrians in London and there are "a number of casualties being worked on at the scene," according to authorities.



London's Metropolitan Police said it was called just after midnight Sunday to an incident on Seven Sisters Road. "There has been one person arrested. Inquiries continue. More information will be released when confirmed," police said in a statement.

[Kathianne]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40322960


Finsbury Park: 'Several hurt' as vehicle hits pedestrians

2 minutes ago

From the sectionLondon (http://www.bbc.com/news/england/london)










A vehicle has struck pedestrians "leaving a number of casualties" in north London, police said.
One person has been arrested following the incident on Seven Sisters Road in Finsbury Park.
Officers were called at 12.20 BST and are at the scene with other emergency services, the Metropolitan Police said.
A London Ambulance Service spokesman said: "We have sent a number of resources to an incident in Seven Sisters Road."

[Kathianne]

It seems that it was a van going onto the sidewalk in front of a mosque. Reports, but no confirmation, that people were leaving the mosque following services for Ramadan.

It sounds like it may be some sort of 'payback?'

[hjmick]

It seems that it was a van going onto the sidewalk in front of a mosque. Reports, but no confirmation, that people were leaving the mosque following services for Ramadan.

It sounds like it may be some sort of 'payback?'



Payback. Only if payback is defined as attacking people who had nothing to do with the original event that motivates the payback...

[Kathianne]

Payback. Only if payback is defined as attacking people who had nothing to do with the original event that motivates the payback...

It's what seems to be passing as self-defense nowadays for some. I fell asleep for a bit, woke up to the talking heads saying the same.

[Black Diamond]

That country is in turmoil.

[pete311]

That country is in turmoil.
Unless you live there, don't say such dramatic things. I have friends in London and yes the events are tragic, but life is generally as normal throughout the entire country.

[Black Diamond]

Unless you live there, don't say such dramatic things. I have friends in London and yes the events are tragic, but life is generally as normal throughout the entire country.
So they accept terrorism as a way of life?. Follow the example of the raghead mayor?

[pete311]

So they accept terrorism as a way of life?. Follow the example of the raghead mayor?

No, but the UK is a large area. 99.9999999% have not been affected. London pop is 9M alone. What turmoil? Are people panicking in the streets? Runs at the grocery stores? Martial law? There have always been terrorism attacks. Time to stop them, but life goes on as normal for the vast vast majority.

[Black Diamond]

Fair enough Pete.
Drummond

how do you feel about the state of your country ?

[Drummond]

So they accept terrorism as a way of life?. Follow the example of the raghead mayor?

I see the posts being swapped between you and Pete. As someone who lives in the UK and actually knows this latest attack location well from personal experience of it (I used to travel through it every day to go to work), I think I should inject some balance ... to the extent it is that.

I'd say the truth is somewhere between what you and Pete are trying to quantify.

Yes .. most people here are just getting on with their lives as best they can, because they can't reasonably do otherwise. 'Life goes on'.

Beneath the surface, though, and not least because of saturation coverage by the media, two things are happening. One ... a 'PC' agenda is being followed by those following agendas, and fed to the general public for consumption and expected acceptance. Two ... it has its effect on shaping opinion and reactions.

We've had the Westminster Bridge attack. The London Bridge attack. The tower block blaze in north Kensington, London. Now, this one in Finsbury Park, north London. All London incidents, with one major one also in Manchester.

Every single time these things happen, domestic news coverage is total, blotting out other stories for the most part. So ... you get concentrated feedback. From communities, pressure groups, political figures. All of this concentrates opinion. So in that sense, conditions are far from normal, and feelings WILL be evoked. Social media gets swamped by it.

BUT ... life still goes on. Uneasily, perhaps, but it does.

The 'turmoil' is basically political. Theresa May is attacked for her 'inadequate' responses to events (characterised as such by her opposition). Corbyn does his utmost to ride the discontent, simultaneously claiming that he wants none !! As a mark of 'social justice', he demands that empty properties (in W London, following the blaze) owned by people are 'requisitioned' by the State, thus doing his 'I hate the privileged wealthy, who have properties WE demand 'for the People' song & dance.

Efforts are made to shape discontent for political gain. Again, following the blaze, 'Socialist Worker' placards could be seen in protest marches conducted days later, by professional agitators. Ah, but, it's all 'in the service of justice' ....

Life goes on. But, discontent IS deliberately fomented. I think a degree of it is simmering beneath the surface.

The latest incident may perhaps be attributable to it.

And as for this latest one ... Finsbury Park is part of an area in which ethnic 'minorities' are a majority. There will be a range of such minorities there, but, the Muslim community is strong there. The Seven Sisters Road, in which the attack happened, has no less than SIX mosques in it (... though that road does cut across a couple of boroughs, from the N17 area of Tottenham at one end, through to the Holloway Road at the other).

Here is Theresa May's reaction to this latest incident. It speaks for itself -- I offer no comment ---


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95DHdCQyIk

[pete311]

I agree with Drummond's comments. Thanks for the first hand insight!

[Drummond]

I agree with Drummond's comments. Thanks for the first hand insight!

You'd be wrong to see my post as support for the position you're taking. It's nothing of the kind.

Get your friends to speak about the riots in England, in 2011 .. and also during a hot summer, as this is turning out to be ...

Discontent DOES exist, it IS simmering beneath the surface. I posted above about Socialist Worker people marching with placards, as they so often do, hoping to foment further discontent.

The Left rides on the back of all that. Corbyn's call for properties to be requisitioned doesn't help. They're doing all they can to whip people up against the current Government. That increases tensions.

This is all an ongoing situation. It's evolving. Just where it'll lead, we have yet to see.

[pete311]

You'd be wrong to see my post as support for the position you're taking. It's nothing of the kind.


Great... I still agree with your comments.

[Drummond]

Great... I still agree with your comments.

Feel free to. Particularly, feel free to agree with, and acknowledge, the role our Left has already had in fomenting trouble. Take the West London blaze. Yes, we saw pictures of 'angry dispossessed residents' storming Kensington Town Hall. It looked bad. BUT, we cannot, now, know how much of that was arranged by Left-winger types who stoked up that discontent. We therefore cannot know whether a political shape is being crafted for all of this.

In short, I've trouble fully believing what I see on TV, taking it on face value. Thanks to THE LEFT interfering !

We haven't seen the end of this still-evolving overall situation.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Feel free to. Particularly, feel free to agree with, and acknowledge, the role our Left has already had in fomenting trouble. Take the West London blaze. Yes, we saw pictures of 'angry dispossessed residents' storming Kensington Town Hall. It looked bad. BUT, we cannot, now, know how much of that was arranged by Left-winger types who stoked up that discontent. We therefore cannot know whether a political shape is being crafted for all of this.

In short, I've trouble fully believing what I see on TV, taking it on face value. Thanks to THE LEFT interfering !

We haven't seen the end of this still-evolving overall situation.
If this was a payback attack, one can easily see why-even if they disagree with it being done. That is because for decades SH!Tslam has been allowed to attack at will there and never suffer any payback--thanks to the insane liberal mindset that nation has.
However, I think it is wrong to do such..
There has to be better ways to oppose Sh!Tslam, than murdering civilians at or near a mosque.
Like organize to investigate, identify the outspoken muzzy radicals there and render some justice directly to the guilty party..
Even if it is justice delivered at the same degree of severity as that which those animals do..
Why should they, Islam , enjoy the position of never being held responsible????
Maybe we should have never bombed Germany--since it was the Nazi's doing the evil not the German civilians!!
See how that example highlights the insanity of never allowing Islam and its mosques to to be held accountable!
Islam is the reason and is the authority that commands such murdering deeds!
I am sick of the ffing morons that cry otherwise!!
Since any Google search of Koranic verses commanding these heinous acts is so easy to find..--Tyr

[jimnyc]

No, but the UK is a large area. 99.9999999% have not been affected. London pop is 9M alone. What turmoil? Are people panicking in the streets? Runs at the grocery stores? Martial law? There have always been terrorism attacks. Time to stop them, but life goes on as normal for the vast vast majority.

I'm glad to hear your stance.

And now we know that you agree, that there is no turmoil in the USA either, whether political issues or terrorist issues or whatever. No martial law here? All is fine then! Who cares if 50 here die, 8 there, 10 there? It only killed a small percentage of the nation, so there's no turmoil. :rolleyes:

If that were the logic, 9/11 only affected like .001% of our entire nation. Life goes on. :rolleyes:

[pete311]

I'm glad to hear your stance.

And now we know that you agree, that there is no turmoil in the USA either, whether political issues or terrorist issues or whatever. No martial law here? All is fine then! Who cares if 50 here die, 8 there, 10 there? It only killed a small percentage of the nation, so there's no turmoil. :rolleyes:

If that were the logic, 9/11 only affected like .001% of our entire nation. Life goes on. :rolleyes:

I think we're just debating the definition of the word turmoil. Day to day, 9/11 didn't alter the vast vast majority of american's lives. I would say Syria is in a state of turmoil. Again, let's just agree to disagree on the definition and move on.

[jimnyc]

I think we're just debating the definition of the word turmoil. Day to day, 9/11 didn't alter the vast vast majority of american's lives. I would say Syria is in a state of turmoil. Again, let's just agree to disagree on the definition and move on.

I know that, and obviously I was being sarcastic. But I believe the terror attacks, small or large, hitting fairly often - whether a tiny percentage or not... You have tons that don't want the refugees, and obviously some that don't care, like those in charge. Yes, no doubt it's not in turmoil like Syria - but as a country as a whole, I think there is turmoil, just differently as you say. Similar here with political issues, Russia, Iran and on and on... a different turmoil.

And the FIRST portion of the word defined anywhere, which is what I was thinking...

"a state of great commotion, confusion, or disturbance; tumult; agitation; disquiet:"

[Drummond]

I think we're just debating the definition of the word turmoil. Day to day, 9/11 didn't alter the vast vast majority of american's lives. I would say Syria is in a state of turmoil. Again, let's just agree to disagree on the definition and move on.

This begs the question: how many people have to die, or suffer horrendous injury, before 'it counts', in your eyes ?

I suspect that what we have here is bog-standard Leftie thinking .. that individual lives need not be seen to be significant, if society has the capability of 'carrying on' in the face of their suffering or death.

Conservative thinking, of course, is entirely different. To us, the individual MATTERS.

[gabosaurus]

This begs the question: how many people have to die, or suffer horrendous injury, before 'it counts', in your eyes ?

I suspect that what we have here is bog-standard Leftie thinking .. that individual lives need not be seen to be significant, if society has the capability of 'carrying on' in the face of their suffering or death.

Conservative thinking, of course, is entirely different. To us, the individual MATTERS.

So why haven't we said to North Korea yet?

[Drummond]

If this was a payback attack, one can easily see why-even if they disagree with it being done. That is because for decades SH!Tslam has been allowed to attack at will there and never suffer any payback--thanks to the insane liberal mindset that nation has.
However, I think it is wrong to do such..
There has to be better ways to oppose Sh!Tslam, than murdering civilians at or near a mosque.
Like organize to investigate, identify the outspoken muzzy radicals there and render some justice directly to the guilty party..
Even if it is justice delivered at the same degree of severity as that which those animals do..
Why should they, Islam , enjoy the position of never being held responsible????
Maybe we should have never bombed Germany--since it was the Nazi's doing the evil not the German civilians!!
See how that example highlights the insanity of never allowing Islam and its mosques to to be held accountable!
Islam is the reason and is the authority that commands such murdering deeds!
I am sick of the ffing morons that cry otherwise!!
Since any Google search of Koranic verses commanding these heinous acts is so easy to find..--Tyr

All of this is well said, Tyr.

Unfortunately ... our people wasted no time in characterising today's attack as terrorism. It's seen to be every bit as disgusting and inexcusable as a Muslim terrorist's actions.

I don't know if you did, or were able to, view Theresa May's speech outside 10 Downing Street, which I posted a link to earlier in this thread. You'll have seen from it, if you did, how vigorously she'll defend 'Muslim rights' and how proud she is of the UK's 'multiculturalism' and our tolerance of all faiths and peoples.

Such PC thinking did not originate from Conservatives here .. but, our Left has had such an opportunity to make its impact on our society's thinking, that today's PC thinking simply cannot be questioned. To even try can constitute a 'hatespeech' action which earns culpability in law.

I honestly think that it might survive intact were a major city to be nuked someday ...

Oh, by the way .. for all his posturing, Jeremy Corbyn's speeches and reactions to terrorist incidents didn't reduce that Leftie to tears. But -- today's DID. Corbyn was seen to wipe away a tear ...

He seems to care a lot more when Muslims are on the receiving-end, than other people.