About Those Political Appointments

[Kathianne]

jimnyc

Best way to address the leaking is to get his own people in to fill those openings. I went looking for the thread, no luck. Anyways, a bit more additional information on confirmations and nominations:

http://beta.hotair.com/archives/2017/06/05/trump-obstructionist-dems-taking-forever-confirm-ambassadorial-nominees/

[gabosaurus]

Want to know something scary? What is expected to be a busy hurricane season has begun without Trump appointing heads of NOAA and FEMA. Several other posts in the National Hurricane Center are also unfilled.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/us/noaa-fema-vacancy/index.html

Wat has happened is that Trump, not having any political experience, had no clue about the thousands of positions in the federal government that need to be filled. As is normal procedure, everyone from the previous administration is expected to resign. But less than a third of those jobs have been filled.
So not only is Trump in well over his head, but none of his advisors is informing him of such.

[NightTrain]

Want to know something scary? What is expected to be a busy hurricane season has begun without Trump appointing heads of NOAA and FEMA. Several other posts in the National Hurricane Center are also unfilled.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/us/noaa-fema-vacancy/index.html

Wat has happened is that Trump, not having any political experience, had no clue about the thousands of positions in the federal government that need to be filled. As is normal procedure, everyone from the previous administration is expected to resign. But less than a third of those jobs have been filled.
So not only is Trump in well over his head, but none of his advisors is informing him of such.

Good thing democrats have done everything possible to stall, delay and hinder all of his appointments, eh?

See the danger you moonbats put the country in with your obstructionist actions simply because you can't accept the election?

[Kathianne]

Good thing democrats have done everything possible to stall, delay and hinder all of his appointments, eh?

See the danger you moonbats put the country in with your obstructionist actions simply because you can't accept the election?

No doubt the Congress is dragging their feet, but the main problem is lack of nominees and that's not on the Congress.

[gabosaurus]

No doubt the Congress is dragging their feet, but the main problem is lack of nominees and that's not on the Congress.

You can't stall, delay and hinder appointments that have yet to be made. Many of the appointments, such as White House personal staff, do not need to be confirmed. Trump just hasn't made them yet because he is too busy playing golf and posting on Twitter.

[NightTrain]

No doubt the Congress is dragging their feet, but the main problem is lack of nominees and that's not on the Congress.


You can't stall, delay and hinder appointments that have yet to be made. Many of the appointments, such as White House personal staff, do not need to be confirmed. Trump just hasn't made them yet because he is too busy playing golf and posting on Twitter.

The end game is to bog the administration down by forcing them to concentrate on forcing appointments over the democrats objections.

The result is less time spent on other important things, like leading the country and filling needed appointments.

[Kathianne]

The end game is to bog the administration down by forcing them to concentrate on forcing appointments over the democrats objections.

The result is less time spent on other important things, like leading the country and filling needed appointments.

Not that Gabby doesn't add a lot to any conversation, but I am missing your point on what Congress may or may not do after receiving the nominees, has to do with compiling those nominees.

The article link I put in the OP mentions that while not as fast of approval as some, most have been approved within the average amount of time. It's the absence of nominees that's keeping those Obama folks around.

[NightTrain]

Not that Gabby doesn't add a lot to any conversation, but I am missing your point on what Congress may or may not do after receiving the nominees, has to do with compiling those nominees.

The article link I put in the OP mentions that while not as fast of approval as some, most have been approved within the average amount of time. It's the absence of nominees that's keeping those Obama folks around.

You can't tell me that democrats fighting tooth and nail over every appointment they can hasn't bogged down the entire administration. That's their strategy.

[NightTrain]

Trolling moved to the appropriate thread.

Don't forget your meds, Gabby.

[gabosaurus]

Trolling moved to the appropriate thread.

Don't forget your meds, Gabby.

Ah yes, the dungeon. Any post you don't agree with goes to the dungeon.
Then again, it is your board. :rolleyes:

I probably take some of the same meds that Jim does. You might want to remind him as well. :rolleyes:

[gabosaurus]

Memo to self: Speaking the truth is not a wise thing where the truth is not welcome. :rolleyes:

[Kathianne]

You can't tell me that democrats fighting tooth and nail over every appointment they can hasn't bogged down the entire administration. That's their strategy.

Did you read the article? The problem isn't from the tooth and nail, at least not so far. There's not been enough to fight about. It's a serious problem.

[NightTrain]

Ah yes, the dungeon. Any post you don't agree with goes to the dungeon.
Then again, it is your board. :rolleyes:

I probably take some of the same meds that Jim does. You might want to remind him as well. :rolleyes:

Jim is intelligent and informed. Comparing yourself to Jim is like racing a Model T against a Ferrari.


Memo to self: Speaking the truth is not a wise thing where the truth is not welcome. :rolleyes:

Trolling gets you moved to your troll thread.

Buh Bye! :finger3:

[NightTrain]

Did you read the article? The problem isn't from the tooth and nail, at least not so far. There's not been enough to fight about. It's a serious problem.

Yes. I read the article.

How many weeks did the Neil Gorsuch fight take? All resources were brought to bear to get him confirmed. How many people would have been vetted & nominated during that timeframe alone? We don't know.

You're missing my point regarding the obstructionist tactics bogging down normal administration business. Every minute spent overriding democrats is another minute gone from progress.

You have to look at the big picture overall. This RESIST!!! business is doomed to failure on every battle, but they're looking at the overall achievements being slowed to a crawl due to resources allocated to overcome each stonewalling effort. If they actually do shoot down a nominee, so much the better - but the victory lies in making Trump fight for it and keeping him from his agenda.

You can already see what the endgame is for 2018 and 2020 : "Oh, but what has Trump actually done? What has he repealed? What has he accomplished?" I see that all over the net already, and it will be THE major argument in these next 2 elections from the moonbats.

[jimnyc]

jimnyc

Best way to address the leaking is to get his own people in to fill those openings. I went looking for the thread, no luck. Anyways, a bit more additional information on confirmations and nominations:

http://beta.hotair.com/archives/2017/06/05/trump-obstructionist-dems-taking-forever-confirm-ambassadorial-nominees/

Admittedly they could work faster.

But the Dems have stated from day one that they plan on opposing Trump at every step. Their liberal base has also been calling for them to do just that. I believe there are nearly 70 appointments waiting to be confirmed.

[jimnyc]

I probably take some of the same meds that Jim does. You might want to remind him as well. :rolleyes:

Please fight without bringing me, or my personal life into it.

[Kathianne]

Yes. I read the article.

How many weeks did the Neil Gorsuch fight take? All resources were brought to bear to get him confirmed. How many people would have been vetted & nominated during that timeframe alone? We don't know.

You're missing my point regarding the obstructionist tactics bogging down normal administration business. Every minute spent overriding democrats is another minute gone from progress.

You have to look at the big picture overall. This RESIST!!! business is doomed to failure on every battle, but they're looking at the overall achievements being slowed to a crawl due to resources allocated to overcome each stonewalling effort. If they actually do shoot down a nominee, so much the better - but the victory lies in making Trump fight for it and keeping him from his agenda.

You can already see what the endgame is for 2018 and 2020 : "Oh, but what has Trump actually done? What has he repealed? What has he accomplished?" I see that all over the net already, and it will be THE major argument in these next 2 elections from the moonbats.


Ok, we're talking past each other, it happens.

Yes, Gorsuch was a partisan brouhaha, never expected different. In actuality, didn't take all that long, thanks to Harry Reid.

Still and all, my point is that the argument of 'Obama folks leaking,' while not submitting names that would make that much more difficult is not a winning strategy. They need to get a process going and get those names before Congress, not forgetting that most of them don't require any approval, they are strictly appointments. It's the 'bosses' that need to be approved, so that the others may be replaced.

[NightTrain]

. It's the 'bosses' that need to be approved, so that the others may be replaced.

Boom. Drop the mic.

[Kathianne]

Boom. Drop the mic.

Can't be a mic drop, unless there's something there. Got to get those names in NT, that's on the administration. Can't see why Trump would want to micromanage getting rid of the potential leakers.

[pete311]

You can't tell me that democrats fighting tooth and nail over every appointment they can hasn't bogged down the entire administration. That's their strategy.

The point is that you can 't bog down an appointment that hasn't been made. Trump has not made any nominations for hundreds of positions.

[NightTrain]

Can't be a mic drop, unless there's something there. Got to get those names in NT, that's on the administration. Can't see why Trump would want to micromanage getting rid of the potential leakers.

I'm having a hell of a time finding a recent list of backlogged appointments to head departments. I'll find it.

Another huge fight : How long did it take to get Sessions in there? Trump would be unwise indeed to just start filling DOJ positions ahead of the actual appointment of the top exec of that department. So everything was at a standstill during that huge fight, and in the meantime the democrats had the added bonus of RESIST!!! from within DOJ - remember Yates refusing to follow orders and being fired? A little bonus for the moonbats.

How long did it take to get Devos in there so that work could begin filling out DOE positions? It was a while.

How long for EPA head Pruitt? That was a bitter fight indeed.

How are we doing on filling Comey's spot? Ten bucks says that'll be drawn out as long as possible, no matter who the nominee is.

[NightTrain]

The point is that you can 't bog down an appointment that hasn't been made. Trump has not made any nominations for hundreds of positions.

Simply knowing beforehand that every single appointment will be bitterly challenged at every possible turn - no matter who it is - makes this infinitely slower in even coming up with a bulletproof nominee. At this point it doesn't matter what the stellar qualifications are (Gorsuch), they will be blocked to the best of democrats' abilities.

[Kathianne]

I'm having a hell of a time finding a recent list of backlogged appointments to head departments. I'll find it.

Another huge fight : How long did it take to get Sessions in there? Trump would be unwise indeed to just start filling DOJ positions ahead of the actual appointment of the top exec of that department. So everything was at a standstill during that huge fight, and in the meantime the democrats had the added bonus of RESIST!!! from within DOJ - remember Yates refusing to follow orders and being fired? A little bonus for the moonbats.

How long did it take to get Devos in there so that work could begin filling out DOE positions? It was a while.

How long for EPA head Pruitt? That was a bitter fight indeed.

How are we doing on filling Comey's spot? Ten bucks says that'll be drawn out as long as possible, no matter who the nominee is.

Other presidents, Obama being the exception, didn't have pretty decent fights for some cabinet positions, they did. Can't fight for your people, until you put them out there. Can't even make an 'obstruction argument' effectively when there aren't folks being obstructed, because you've failed to nominate.

Might be a better idea though to put out some nominees and fight with Congress for approval, instead of the mayor of London. That guy? That's on the Londoners. Fight HERE, for your people, then get through your agenda.

[NightTrain]

Other presidents, Obama being the exception, didn't have pretty decent fights for some cabinet positions, they did. Can't fight for your people, until you put them out there. Can't even make an 'obstruction argument' effectively when there aren't folks being obstructed, because you've failed to nominate.

I think we can all agree that there has never been such a concerted effort to thwart any President like we're witnessing now. And please, no silliness talking about Lincoln and the civil war, you know what I'm talking about.



Might be a better idea though to put out some nominees and fight with Congress for approval, instead of the mayor of London. That guy? That's on the Londoners. Fight HERE, for your people, then get through your agenda.

I doubt his early morning tweets before he got to the Oval Office had anything to do with the actual workday he put in.

[Kathianne]

I think we can all agree that there has never been such a concerted effort to thwart any President like we're witnessing now. And please, no silliness talking about Lincoln and the civil war, you know what I'm talking about.




I doubt his early morning tweets before he got to the Oval Office had anything to do with the actual workday he put in.

The whole 'resist' thing seems more a social media phenomena, with the 'on the ground' accompaniment of some thugs/communist wannabes. No doubt that the Democrats are playing to that base, we're in agreement there, but they don't have the numbers to be effectual. Hostility of opposition is no excuse not to get the job done.

[pete311]

Simply knowing beforehand that every single appointment will be bitterly challenged at every possible turn - no matter who it is - makes this infinitely slower in even coming up with a bulletproof nominee. At this point it doesn't matter what the stellar qualifications are (Gorsuch), they will be blocked to the best of democrats' abilities.

What a cop out. Man up, make the nominations. This is a pitiful excuse even from you.

[pete311]

I think we can all agree that there has never been such a concerted effort to thwart any President like we're witnessing now. And please, no silliness talking about Lincoln and the civil war, you know what I'm talking about.

Cry. Baby.

[jimnyc]

What a cop out. Man up, make the nominations. This is a pitiful excuse even from you.

Agreed, they should be faster.

And then I wonder how much faster the Dems will work in holding things up? Will they suddenly confirm the other 60+ because Trump is working faster?

[pete311]

Agreed, they should be faster.

And then I wonder how much faster the Dems will work in holding things up? Will they suddenly confirm the other 60+ because Trump is working faster?

You make that claim when it happens. His responsibility is to make the nominations. You control almost the entirety of government and you still complain. If you can't govern in this HIGHLY advantageous environment, what does that tell you. Oh yeah, blame someone else. Where is the personal responsibility?

[aboutime]

Memo to self: Speaking the truth is not a wise thing where the truth is not welcome. :rolleyes:


Once again gabby. You intentionally OMITTED telling us...with you, and liberals, there are TWO VERSIONS of the Truth. The ACTUAL TRUTH, and the DEMOCRAT LIES THAT LIBERALS CLAIM IS THE TRUTH.

We can tell the difference because WE CAN PROVE there is an HONEST difference.

Look it up in the DNC Talking Points Manual on Liberal Double-Talk, and constantly repeated falsehoods....repeated so often, EVEN LIBERALS believe them.

[NightTrain]

What a cop out. Man up, make the nominations. This is a pitiful excuse even from you.

Excuses? I was trying to have an intelligent conversation with Kathi as to the slow speed of getting shit done. I try to be respectful to her even though we don't see eye-to-eye on some things because she's earned my respect by demonstrating logic, intelligence, common sense and wisdom.

See the difference, moonbat?


Cry. Baby.

Crying?

Nope, still gloating, Petey. Your tears of impotent rage are still delicious!

More, please.

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[aboutime]

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