US Fires At Least 30 Tomahawks At Syria

[Kathianne]

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/850154210469572608


.@NBCNews (https://twitter.com/NBCNews) confirms more than 50 tomahawk missiles fired by US military into Syria

[BoogyMan]

Well.......this will get dicey and quickly.

[aboutime]

YES! THERE IS A NEW "MAN" IN CHARGE.:clap::clap::clap:

[Kathianne]

Well.......this will get dicey and quickly.

History:


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
11:14 AM - 29 Aug 2013 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373146637184401408)



(https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=373146637184401408)




Video at site:


andrew kaczynski 🤔 (https://twitter.com/KFILE)
✔@KFILE (https://twitter.com/KFILE)

interesting what a reversal on all fronts Trump's new Syria comments were. From 2014:

8:30 AM - 6 Apr 2017 (https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/850007893252468736)

[gabosaurus]

While I applaud Trump's actions, I have to wonder what the response will be from Russia.
Meanwhile, the Russians blamed "rebel groups" for the chemical attacks, even though no groups were in operation in the area.

[NightTrain]

Fox is reporting a total of 59 Tomahawks launched... that had to be a hellish airport.

Red Line enforced... a few years late, but enforced nevertheless.

[LongTermGuy]

YES! THERE IS A NEW "MAN" IN CHARGE.:clap::clap::clap:



Agree....and...**sends a message to all "other" roaches throughout the world...no more games...

weak Leftist and Trump haters will not be happy...they can eat shit...

BTW...some of the larger forums Im on...97.5% happy with Trumps move tonight....A Red line that actually means something...Thank You Mr Trump...

[pete311]

Did he?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9831&stc=1

[Kathianne]

Did he?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9831&stc=1


Duplicate: http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?58789-US-Fires-At-Least-30-Tomahawks-At-Syria&p=862700#post862700

[NightTrain]

Did he?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9831&stc=1

You obviously suffer from being unable to realize the difference between strategic airstrikes vs. boots-on-the-ground combat forces.

[pete311]

You obviously suffer from being unable to realize the difference between strategic airstrikes vs. boots-on-the-ground combat forces.

I don't see what that has anything to do with it and Trumps tweet.

btw, you guys want america first and praise trump for not wanting to the US to be the worlds police. Syria did not attack us. So what are we doing? Policing the world. I thought you guys didn't want that. Too much money. Not our business. Focus on the US you said. "Let the muzzies kill each other."

[Kathianne]

You obviously suffer from being unable to realize the difference between strategic airstrikes vs. boots-on-the-ground combat forces.

I'm not in disagreement with this, however I do think there's going to be problems not only from what he ran on, which certainly didn't include actions like this, but years of his saying that these types of actions are wrong and not in US interests. I cited this repeatedly as a problem during the contest, for the simple reason that for years, we were pretty much all in agreement that Obama had been wrong repeatedly by going with appeasement. Now however, both he and many of his supporters are now saying, "This is different..."

Was he wrong while running and for years before or were the actions now wrong?

[NightTrain]

I don't see what that has anything to do with it and Trumps tweet.

The difference is that Hellary and 0bama were looking into engaging our ground forces in a Syrian conflict, and Libya was also being considered. That's what Trump was referencing on Twitter, as anyone that paid attention knows.


btw, you guys want america first and praise trump for not wanting to the US to be the worlds police. Syria did not attack us. So what are we doing? Policing the world. I thought you guys didn't want that. Too much money. Not our business. Focus on the US you said. "Let the muzzies kill each other."

I never said that. There's a lot of muzzies out there that need killing.

[NightTrain]

I'm not in disagreement with this, however I do think there's going to be problems not only from what he ran on, which certainly didn't include actions like this, but years of his saying that these types of actions are wrong and not in US interests. I cited this repeatedly as a problem during the contest, for the simple reason that for years, we were pretty much all in agreement that Obama had been wrong repeatedly by going with appeasement. Now however, both he and many of his supporters are now saying, "This is different..."

Was he wrong while running and for years before or were the actions now wrong?

Using Chemical Weapons in any case is illegal and wrong on every level, let alone the fact that it was used on civilians.

Remove the Chem Warfare and this wouldn't have been done - Assad was testing Trump to see if he was a pussy like 0bama was.

I think he's got the picture, now... and it sent a message to other ruthless despots.

[Black Diamond]

Did seeing the injured/dead kids pull on Presidents heart strings ?

[pete311]

Did seeing the injured/dead kids pull on Presidents heart strings ?
I hope not. There are atrocities done to children every day. Might as well missile dozens of countries if that is the case.

[Kathianne]

Using Chemical Weapons in any case is illegal and wrong on every level, let alone the fact that it was used on civilians.

Remove the Chem Warfare and this wouldn't have been done - Assad was testing Trump to see if he was a pussy like 0bama was.

I think he's got the picture, now... and it sent a message to other ruthless despots.

and it was true when he was criticizing Obama-who pawned it off to Putin in any case.

What if??? Syria uses chemical weapons in the next days, months, years? The Pentagon has already said they did NOT target the stockpiles. They notified Russia through diplomatic channels well before the attack, which means Syria knew it was coming. Assad will be standing tomorrow, perhaps even appearing and showing he is still there.

As I said, I'm not saying that US shouldn't have acted, but while not announcing it to the press, they certainly did allow the major players to know in advance.

[Balu]

You obviously suffer from being unable to realize the difference between strategic airstrikes vs. boots-on-the-ground combat forces.
There are many military objectives on the territories of many countries. Are you in a state of war with Syria to strike them? Or you think that it is permissible to any country to act this way against any other country at own consideration without declaring war?

[NightTrain]

Did seeing the injured/dead kids pull on Presidents heart strings ?

Sure sounded like it. I'm sure Trump saw some pretty gruesome footage from recon assets of the carnage in HD.

Nerve Agent is a horrific way to die.

[Kathianne]

There are many military objectives on the territories of many countries. Are you in a state of war with Syria to strike them? Or you think that it is permissible to any country to act this way against any other country at own consideration without declaring war?


When did Russia declare war on the Ukraine?

[Black Diamond]

I hope not. There are atrocities done to children every day. Might as well missile dozens of countries if that is the case.
I am surprised by the President's reversal over the past 3 days. Any chance there is a deeper reason?

[NightTrain]

There are many military objectives on the territories of many countries. Are you in a state of war with Syria to strike them? Or you think that it is permissible to any country to act this way against any other country at own consideration without declaring war?

It is permissible to brutally strike any country that engages in Chemical Warfare of civilians. Yes.

There are only 4 UN members that are not signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention : Egypt, Israel, North Korea and South Sudan.

[Kathianne]

I am surprised by the President's reversal over the past 3 days. Any chance there is a deeper reason?

Like China/North Korea? An argument may be made. Then again, going to have to explain the whole ME plan that he laid out during the election.

[Black Diamond]

There are many military objectives on the territories of many countries. Are you in a state of war with Syria to strike them? Or you think that it is permissible to any country to act this way against any other country at own consideration without declaring war?
We haven't declared war since 1941.

[pete311]

I am surprised by the President's reversal over the past 3 days. Any chance there is a deeper reason?
There almost always is. Correct me if I'm wrong but the miltary has a duty to reject an order if the president doesn't seem rational. For example if Trump saw those photos, looked angry and then ordered missles to be fired. I mean the generals and security officials aren't robots.

[Black Diamond]

There almost always is. Correct me if I'm wrong but the miltary has a duty to reject an order if the president doesn't seem rational. For example if Trump saw those photos, looked angry and then ordered missles to be fired. I mean the generals and security officials aren't robots.
not going to happen.

[Balu]

When did Russia declare war on the Ukraine?
Russian military troops DID NOT conduct and ARE NOT conducting military actions against Ukraine.
If you think I am wrong please do enumerate the numbers of Russian and Ukrainian units (brigades, regiments, companies, platoons) from both sides engaged, or stop talking your propaganda shit.
To compare, in 2008 the 58th Army acted to stop Georgian aggression against South Osetya and сontingent of international peacekeepers.

[pete311]

not going to happen.

Are you saying the miltary will never reject an order from the president? Trump clearly develops a bit of insanity and orders the launch of every nuke and you're telling me they do it?

[Kathianne]

Russian military troops DID NOT conduct and ARE NOT conducting military actions against Ukraine.
If you think I am wrong please do enumerate the numbers of Russian and Ukrainian units (brigades, regiments, companies, platoons) from both sides engaged, or stop talking your propaganda shit.
To compare, in 2008 the 58th Army acted to stop Georgian aggression against South Osetya and сontingent of international peacekeepers.

You stop your bullshit propaganda. We all know that Russia has used troops, guns, political upheaval, assassinated political leaders in the Ukraine, recently assassinated a Russian dissident in the Ukraine. They did the same in Crimea.

Regardless of your enjoyment of poetry, you have not fooled anyone with your propaganda for Russian and your anti-American bias.

[Black Diamond]

Are you saying the miltary will never reject an order from the president? Trump clearly develops a bit of insanity and orders the launch of every nuke and you're telling me they do it?
59 tomahawk missiles at an airfield =/= launching all our nuclear arsenal.

[Black Diamond]

Russian military troops DID NOT conduct and ARE NOT conducting military actions against Ukraine.
If you think I am wrong please do enumerate the numbers of Russian and Ukrainian units (brigades, regiments, companies, platoons) from both sides engaged, or stop talking your propaganda shit.
To compare, in 2008 the 58th Army acted to stop Georgian aggression against South Osetya and сontingent of international peacekeepers.
Do you work for Pravda?

[pete311]

59 tomahawk missiles at an airfield =/= launching all our nuclear arsenal.
Obviously. What did you mean when you replied to me "not going to happen"? My reply to that maybe misunderstood what you were saying.

[Black Diamond]

Obviously. What did you mean when you replied to me "not going to happen"? My reply to that maybe misunderstood what you were saying.
The presidents orders are generally followed. I assume even if he orders nuclear attack, the orders are followed.

I don't see trump using nukes and I don't see the military disobeying trump.

[LongTermGuy]

Did he?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9831&stc=1
Obviously not....and obama agrees....:cool:

[Black Diamond]

Like China/North Korea? An argument may be made. Then again, going to have to explain the whole ME plan that he laid out during the election.
And Maybe Russia and Iran.

[Kathianne]

And Maybe Russia and Iran.

I think the fact that Russia was notified well in advance speaks towards that. You disagree? The China case may be stronger, in the sense of WMD's.

[gabosaurus]

Russian military troops DID NOT conduct and ARE NOT conducting military actions against Ukraine.
If you think I am wrong please do enumerate the numbers of Russian and Ukrainian units (brigades, regiments, companies, platoons) from both sides engaged, or stop talking your propaganda shit.


Challenge accepted :cool:

http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/23/the-75-russian-military-units-at-war-in-ukraine/

http://russian-presence-in-ukraine.silk.co/

https://informnapalm.org/en/

[Black Diamond]

I think the fact that Russia was notified well in advance speaks towards that. You disagree? The China case may be stronger, in the sense of WMD's.


I don't necessarily disagree. The Russians half heartedly condemned the air strike.

[Balu]

You stop your bullshit propaganda. We all know that Russia has used troops, guns, political upheaval, assassinated political leaders in the Ukraine, recently assassinated a Russian dissident in the Ukraine. They did the same in Crimea.

Regardless of your enjoyment of poetry, you have not fooled anyone with your propaganda for Russian and your anti-American bias.
I am still waiting for you telling me numbers of Russian military units and the armies engaged, as you stated that 'all know'. Otherwise this is your proofless propaganda bullshit.
Every serviceman (even retired and in reserve) knows that EVERY military unit has OWN number.

[NightTrain]

and it was true when he was criticizing Obama-who pawned it off to Putin in any case.

What if??? Syria uses chemical weapons in the next days, months, years? The Pentagon has already said they did NOT target the stockpiles. They notified Russia through diplomatic channels well before the attack, which means Syria knew it was coming. Assad will be standing tomorrow, perhaps even appearing and showing he is still there.

As I said, I'm not saying that US shouldn't have acted, but while not announcing it to the press, they certainly did allow the major players to know in advance.

I read on Fox that Putin wasn't forewarned of the attack...? Could have been a bad bit of info.

If he did, I disapprove - you can't telegraph the attack or it severely mitigates the action.

[pete311]

I don't see trump using nukes and I don't see the military disobeying trump.

My hypothetical is that if the basis for Trump's order was simply the emotions he got from looking at the photos I think the military and defense big wigs would step in.

[pete311]

I read on Fox that Putin wasn't forewarned of the attack...? Could have been a bad bit of info.

If he did, I disapprove - you can't telegraph the attack or it severely mitigates the action.

If Russians were killed without proper notice, that could be a bad situation no?

[NightTrain]

Challenge accepted :cool:

http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/23/the-75-russian-military-units-at-war-in-ukraine/

http://russian-presence-in-ukraine.silk.co/

https://informnapalm.org/en/

Jesus, where do you dredge up these goofball sites? Do you strive to find the most unofficial sites possible?

[Kathianne]

I am still waiting for you telling me numbers of Russian military units and the armies engaged, as you stated that 'all know'. Otherwise this is your proofless propaganda bullshit.
Every serviceman (even retired and in reserve) knows that the military units has their numbers.

Screw off. We are not sending propaganda, even facts, of what your lousy government is doing to your people in Russia and former satellites. It's you coming here and spouting your dictator's line.

There's no rule that says we have to listen to your drivel, much less accept it. Not your pro-Putin garbage. Not how great Russia is. Not how the US sucks. We can say how the US sucks, but we don't have to make you feel warm and fuzzy by not calling it for what it is.

We don't have to pretend we buy your bullshit about 'democratically elected' president Putin. Bullshit!

Nor do we have to bother with your 'demands/challenges,' nope, you can just say take a flying ....

[Black Diamond]

Jesus, where do you dredge up these goofball sites? Do you strive to find the most unofficial sites possible?
You shouldn't read them. Doing so is like denying the Holocaust. :cool:

[Kathianne]

If Russians were killed without proper notice, that could be a bad situation no?


Putin wasn't called, it went through diplomats, assuming State. Then again, maybe Ivanka made a call?

[Kathianne]

Putin wasn't called, it went through diplomats, assuming State. Then again, maybe Ivanka made a call?

Whoops, replied to wrong post, sorry!

[NightTrain]

Oh, and Petey... your attention is needed in :

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?58779-BOOM!-McConnell-Pulls-The-Trigger&p=862715#post862715

Running from silly statements you made isn't nice - it's pretty chickenshit, if you ask me. That's the kind of cowardly bullshit Gabby pulls.

[Kathianne]

I read on Fox that Putin wasn't forewarned of the attack...? Could have been a bad bit of info.

If he did, I disapprove - you can't telegraph the attack or it severely mitigates the action.



Putin wasn't called, it went through diplomats, assuming State. Then again, maybe Ivanka made a call?

[Balu]

Do you work for Pravda?
I am not working, but standing for the Truth. The translation from Russian - Правда (Pravda)= The Truth. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

[Black Diamond]

I am not working, but standing for the Truth. The translation from Russian - Правда (Pravda)= The Truth. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)
:lol:

[pete311]

Oh, and Petey... your attention is needed in :

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?58779-BOOM!-McConnell-Pulls-The-Trigger&p=862715#post862715

Running from silly statements you made isn't nice - it's pretty chickenshit, if you ask me. That's the kind of cowardly bullshit Gabby pulls.
I don't get alerts so sometimes I lose track where I post. I just did.

[Black Diamond]

I think the fact that Russia was notified well in advance speaks towards that. You disagree? The China case may be stronger, in the sense of WMD's.
Also was interesting that he recently said USA would handle North Korea if China didn't. Connection?

[Kathianne]

Also was interesting that he recently said USA would handle North Korea if China didn't. Connection?

If China wants to whip NK in line, I suppose it may give them cover with NK?

Still, the whole 'warning' to Russia, thus Syria sort of waters it down, don't you think? I really am confused at the number of missiles used and limiting of chemical depots. I do understand the not wanting to hit Russians, but it seems that it was far enough in advance to really not limit Syria from repeating use of chemicals. Then what?

[Balu]

Screw off. We are not sending propaganda, even facts, of what your lousy government is doing to your people in Russia and former satellites. It's you coming here and spouting your dictator's line.

There's no rule that says we have to listen to your drivel, much less accept it. Not your pro-Putin garbage. Not how great Russia is. Not how the US sucks. We can say how the US sucks, but we don't have to make you feel warm and fuzzy by not calling it for what it is.

We don't have to pretend we buy your bullshit about 'democratically elected' president Putin. Bullshit!

Nor do we have to bother with your 'demands/challenges,' nope, we can just say take a flying ....
Oh, yes! The facts only - the demonstrations in Moscow under palm-trees, sending the 6th US Fleet to the coast of Belarus, the mountains at Rostov-on-Don... all these are the facts indicating the level of your knowledge and arguments. :clap:

[NightTrain]

Putin wasn't called, it went through diplomats, assuming State. Then again, maybe Ivanka made a call?





Fox is now saying that Russia was given a heads up to get off that airfield... so it appears there was some warning. It would be bad to blow up a bunch of Russian airplanes and personnel, I suppose.

[Kathianne]

Oh, yes! The facts only - the demonstrations in Moscow under palm-trees, sending the 6th US Fleet to the coast of Belarus, the mountains at Rostov-on-Don... all these are the facts indicating the level of your knowledge and arguments. :clap:

Condescension doesn't work on me, at least not from the likes of you.

It's been said before, if you come to share the beauty of your country, fine. If you come to spread your lies and hate for US and its people, :finger4:

[Black Diamond]

Fox is saying Russians watched as chemical weapons were loaded onto planes.

[Kathianne]

Fox is saying Russians watched as chemical weapons were loaded onto planes.

I didn't catch that, though wouldn't be surprised. Then again, likely unnecessary, since it seems the decision was made to avoid any suspected sites where they might have been.

I've been switching what I've got on TV and mostly using net to find info.

[Balu]

Fox is now saying that Russia was given a heads up to get off that airfield... so it appears there was some warning. It would be bad to blow up a bunch of Russian airplanes and personnel, I suppose.
Very likely next time, if it happen so, Russia may not only shoot down the cruising missiles, but destroy their lunching sites. And this will mean a war.
I even don't want to imaging the consequences of such a situation.

[Balu]

Fox is saying Russians watched as chemical weapons were loaded onto planes.
Really? Didn't they say Who told this to them? And did they presented proofs to their words? This is a serious accusation btw.

[NightTrain]

Very likely next time, if it happen so, Russia may not only shoot down the cruising missiles, but destroy their lunching sites. And this will mean a war.
I even don't want to imaging the consequences of such a situation.

Do you guys have anti-missile defense systems? I wasn't aware, if you do.

Oh, and as far as attacking U.S. Navy Warships.... that would not be a good idea. Even if successful, the consequences would be severe.

[Balu]

Do you guys have anti-missile defense systems? I wasn't aware, if you do.

Oh, and as far as attacking U.S. Navy Warships.... that would not be a good idea. Even if successful, the consequences would be severe.
Yes. We have it THERE. This is S-400. Anti-aircraft missile system, designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, it can also be used against ground objectives.
That's why I said that I even don't want to imagine the possible consequences.

https://cdn5.img.ria.ru/images/126039/61/1260396105.png

[Black Diamond]

Really? Didn't they say Who told this to them? And did they presented proofs to their words? This is a serious accusation btw.
Anna Kournikova.

[Balu]

Bolivia calls for emergency meeting of UN Security Council on US missile strikes in Syria

World (http://tass.com/world)
April 07, 8:02 UTC+3
Earlier, the US military launched a total of 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat Airfield in Homs governorate, Pentagon Spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said


UNITED NATIONS, April 7. /TASS/. Bolivia has requested to convene an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss the US missile strikes on an airbase in Syria, a diplomat of a country-member of the UNSC told TASS.
Read also
https://cdn1.tass.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165654.jpg (http://tass.com/politics/939896)

UNSC puts off consideration of draft resolutions on Syria — Russia’s mission (http://tass.com/politics/939896)

"Bolivia has called for a meeting of the UN Security Council, its time is yet unknown," the diplomat said. The South American country is a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council.
On Thursday, the US military launched a total of 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat Airfield in Homs governorate, Pentagon Spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said.
The strike came in response to the alleged use of chemical weapons in the Syrian province of Idlib on April 4. The US leadership believes the alleged chemical attack had been carried out from the Shayrat Airfield.
The first reports on the strikes came half an hour after the meeting of the UN Security Council in New York was over. The meeting discussed passing a resolution on investigating the incident in Idlib.
After the meeting, Russia’s Deputy Ambassador to the UN Vladimir Safronkov told reporters that "those who invent these projects will bear the responsibility for all the possible consequences.".

More:
http://tass.com/world/939914

[Black Diamond]

Bolivia calls for emergency meeting of UN Security Council on US missile strikes in Syria

World (http://tass.com/world)
April 07, 8:02 UTC+3
Earlier, the US military launched a total of 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat Airfield in Homs governorate, Pentagon Spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said


UNITED NATIONS, April 7. /TASS/. Bolivia has requested to convene an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss the US missile strikes on an airbase in Syria, a diplomat of a country-member of the UNSC told TASS.
Read also
https://cdn1.tass.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165654.jpg (http://tass.com/politics/939896)

UNSC puts off consideration of draft resolutions on Syria — Russia’s mission (http://tass.com/politics/939896)

"Bolivia has called for a meeting of the UN Security Council, its time is yet unknown," the diplomat said. The South American country is a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council.
On Thursday, the US military launched a total of 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat Airfield in Homs governorate, Pentagon Spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said.
The strike came in response to the alleged use of chemical weapons in the Syrian province of Idlib on April 4. The US leadership believes the alleged chemical attack had been carried out from the Shayrat Airfield.
The first reports on the strikes came half an hour after the meeting of the UN Security Council in New York was over. The meeting discussed passing a resolution on investigating the incident in Idlib.
After the meeting, Russia’s Deputy Ambassador to the UN Vladimir Safronkov told reporters that "those who invent these projects will bear the responsibility for all the possible consequences.".

More:
http://tass.com/world/939914
What does Luxembourg think?

[Balu]

Putin calls US strikes against Syria 'aggression against sovereign country'

Russian Politics & Diplomacy (http://tass.com/politics)
April 07, 8:57 UTC+3
Putin sees US strikes against Syria as attempt to divert attention from numerous civilian casualties in Iraq


https://phototass3.cdnvideo.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165658.jpg
© Alexey Nikolsky/Presidential press service/TASS

MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Vladimir Putin believes US strikes against Syria are aggression against sovereign country under far-fetched pretext, the Kremlin spokesma said on Friday.
Read also
https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165656.jpg (http://tass.com/world/939915)
Homs governor says US missile strikes serve terrorists’ goals (http://tass.com/world/939915)

Putin sees US strikes against Syria as attempt to divert attention from numerous civilian casualties in Iraq. US strike on Syria impairs Russia-US relations, does not contribute to war on terror, according to the president.
Putin believes completely ignoring use of chemical weapons by terrorists significantly exacerbates situation around Syria.
On Thursday, the US military launched a total of 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat Airfield in Homs governorate, Pentagon Spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said.
The strike came in response to the alleged use of chemical weapons in the Syrian province of Idlib on April 4. \
The US leadership believes the alleged chemical attack had been carried out from the Shayrat Airfield.




More:
http://tass.com/politics/939920

[Balu]

What does Luxembourg think?
I don't care what Luxembourg think. I care what will be the consequences of American aggression in Syria, who keep on acting in the interests of ISIS.

[Black Diamond]

I don't care what Luxembourg think. I care what will be the consequences of American aggression in Syria, who keep on acting in the interests of ISIS.
Stop with the propaganda. Or we will grab you by the pussy.

[Balu]

Stop with the propaganda. Or we will grab you by the pussy.
You don't want to be an aggressor? Why? This is your normal and traditional state. Now we see episode 2. I wonder what will be the consequences in THIS case.

http://ru-an.info/Photo/QNews/n4180/1.jpg

[Black Diamond]

I don't care what Luxembourg think. I care what will be the consequences of American aggression in Syria, who keep on acting in the interests of ISIS.

but you think we care what Bolivia does.

[Balu]

but you think we care what Bolivia does.
May be you didn't understand from the first time what was written in English? If so, do read it again. Hope you'll be able to get the sense of the sentence after the second attempt.
Bolivia calls for emergency meeting of UN Security Council on US missile strikes in Syria

[Black Diamond]

May be you didn't understand from the first time what was written in English? If so, do read it again. Hope you'll be able to get the sense of the sentence after the second attempt.
Bolivia calls for emergency meeting of UN Security Council on US missile strikes in Syria
I read it, you ass wipe. And let me explain to you in plain English. I don't give a flying fuck what Bolivia does. Now do you understand that? Do you get the sense of that sentence? Do you need a translator?

[Balu]

I read it, you ass wipe. And let me explain to you in plain English. I don't give a flying fuck what Bolivia does. Now do you understand that? Do you get the sense of that sentence? Do you need a translator?
It means you understood NOTHING. You didn't understand the main point that the UN Security Council will be held on the subject of American aggression against Syria.
Then, there are three peculiar points.
1. The destruction of all chemical weapons stockpiles from the Syrian Armed Forces was recorded and confirmed by the OPCW, a specialized UN unit.
2. Pentagon has declared that the USA stroke and destroyed the military airfield with all its depots of munition, from which the chemical attack was launched. But there is neither traces of chemical contamination of the terrain nor chemically injured personnel.
3. And finally, today morning ISIS terrorists started their attack against Syrian army.
A have a question - Why the USA keep on supporting ISIS terrorists they gave a birth to, and act in their interests?

[Black Diamond]

It means you understood NOTHING. You didn't understand the main point that the UN Security Council will be held on the subject of American aggression against Syria.
Then, there are three peculiar points.
1. The destruction of all chemical weapons stockpiles from the Syrian Armed Forces was recorded and confirmed by the OPCW, a specialized UN unit.
2. Pentagon has declared that the USA stroke and destroyed the military airfield with all its depots of munition, from which the chemical attack was launched. But there is neither traces of chemical contamination of the terrain nor chemically injured personnel.
3. And finally, today morning ISIS terrorists started their attack against Syrian army.
A have a question - Why the USA keep on supporting ISIS terrorists they gave a birth to, and act in their interests?
You're wrong. I understood it. I didn't tell you enough. I don't care if the UN Security Council meets. I don't care if they and Putin call trump a war criminal. Is that better?

Putin doesn't worry me because he is probably just like you: He will run and hide when someone stands up to him. All Russians are like that, aren't they?

[Gunny]

Putin calls US strikes against Syria 'aggression against sovereign country'

Russian Politics & Diplomacy (http://tass.com/politics)
April 07, 8:57 UTC+3
Putin sees US strikes against Syria as attempt to divert attention from numerous civilian casualties in Iraq


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MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Vladimir Putin believes US strikes against Syria are aggression against sovereign country under far-fetched pretext, the Kremlin spokesma said on Friday.
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Homs governor says US missile strikes serve terrorists’ goals (http://tass.com/world/939915)

Putin sees US strikes against Syria as attempt to divert attention from numerous civilian casualties in Iraq. US strike on Syria impairs Russia-US relations, does not contribute to war on terror, according to the president.
Putin believes completely ignoring use of chemical weapons by terrorists significantly exacerbates situation around Syria.
On Thursday, the US military launched a total of 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat Airfield in Homs governorate, Pentagon Spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said.
The strike came in response to the alleged use of chemical weapons in the Syrian province of Idlib on April 4. \
The US leadership believes the alleged chemical attack had been carried out from the Shayrat Airfield.




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http://tass.com/politics/939920Well, guess I found the "You gotta be sh*ttin' me " post of the night. Putin accusing someone of aggression. Sure this doesn't belong in the Don Rickles thread?

[Balu]

You're wrong. I understood it. I didn't tell you enough. I don't care if the UN Security Council meets. I don't care if they and Putin call trump a war criminal. Is that better?

Putin doesn't worry me because he is probably just like you: He will run and hide when someone stands up to him. All Russians are like that, aren't they?
Some thought the same way. The life showed how wrong they were. Unfortunately they were too presumptuous for what they paid enough. You seem would let your country follow their way, to have own experience.

[Black Diamond]

Some thought the same way. The life showed how wrong they were. Unfortunately they were too presumptuous for what they paid enough. You seem would let your country follow their way, to have own experience.
Now you're talking jibberish. You are getting scared. Time for you to run and hide again.

[Gunny]

You're wrong. I understood it. I didn't tell you enough. I don't care if the UN Security Council meets. I don't care if they and Putin call trump a war criminal. Is that better?

Putin doesn't worry me because he is probably just like you: He will run and hide when someone stands up to him. All Russians are like that, aren't they?Yeah .. where's that "who gives a f*ck what Bolivia or the Useless N think" button? And talk about hypocrisy. How man countries has Russia invaded lately?

[Balu]

Black Diamond, this is just for you.

Moscow suspends US-Russia memorandum on flights safety in SyriaRussian Politics & Diplomacy (http://tass.com/politics)
April 07, 10:43 UTC+3
The Russian Foreign Ministry calls for urgent UN Security Council meeting to discuss aftermath of US missile strike on Syrian base



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© Vadim Grishankin/Russian Defence Ministry Press and Information Office/TASS

MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Russia suspends the Memorandum on preventing incidents and ensuring flights safety during operations in Syria earlier signed with the United States in the wake of the US strike on the Syrian airbase, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported on Friday.

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"The Russian side suspends the Memorandum on preventing incidents and ensuring flights safety during operations in Syria signed with the US," the ministry said.
"We’re urging the UN Security Council to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the current situation," the ministry said.
The ministry claims the strike was prepared in advance. Washington has made decision on missile strike on Syria prior to developments in Idlib province, the statement said.
The US strike in Syria is an attempt to distract attention from the situation in Iraq’s Mosul, the statement said.
"Undoubtedly, the US strike is an attempt to divert attention from the situation in Mosul where hundreds of civilians lost their lives due to actions, including by the US-led coalition, and the humanitarian disaster is mounting ," the ministry said.
"Apparently, the US cruise missile strike was prepared in advance," the Russian Foreign Ministry said. "It is clear to any specialist that a decision on carrying out the strikes was made in Washington prior to the developments in Idlib, which were just used as a pretext for demonstrating strength.".




More:
http://tass.com/politics/939940

[Black Diamond]

Black Diamond, this is just for you.

Moscow suspends US-Russia memorandum on flights safety in Syria

Russian Politics & Diplomacy (http://tass.com/politics)
April 07, 10:43 UTC+3
The Russian Foreign Ministry calls for urgent UN Security Council meeting to discuss aftermath of US missile strike on Syrian base



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© Vadim Grishankin/Russian Defence Ministry Press and Information Office/TASS

MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Russia suspends the Memorandum on preventing incidents and ensuring flights safety during operations in Syria earlier signed with the United States in the wake of the US strike on the Syrian airbase, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported on Friday.

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https://phototass3.cdnvideo.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165658.jpg (http://tass.com/politics/939920)Putin calls US strikes against Syria 'aggression against sovereign country' (http://tass.com/politics/939920)



"The Russian side suspends the Memorandum on preventing incidents and ensuring flights safety during operations in Syria signed with the US," the ministry said.
"We’re urging the UN Security Council to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the current situation," the ministry said.
The ministry claims the strike was prepared in advance. Washington has made decision on missile strike on Syria prior to developments in Idlib province, the statement said.
The US strike in Syria is an attempt to distract attention from the situation in Iraq’s Mosul, the statement said.
"Undoubtedly, the US strike is an attempt to divert attention from the situation in Mosul where hundreds of civilians lost their lives due to actions, including by the US-led coalition, and the humanitarian disaster is mounting ," the ministry said.
"Apparently, the US cruise missile strike was prepared in advance," the Russian Foreign Ministry said. "It is clear to any specialist that a decision on carrying out the strikes was made in Washington prior to the developments in Idlib, which were just used as a pretext for demonstrating strength.".




More:
http://tass.com/politics/939940
Thanks. I already saw the news. Putin calling for the meeting doesn't concern me any more than Bolivia calling for it.

[Gunny]

[QUOTE=Balu;862798]Black Diamond, this is just for you.

Moscow suspends US-Russia memorandum on flights safety in Syria

Russian Politics & Diplomacy (http://tass.com/politics)
April 07, 10:43 UTC+3
The Russian Foreign Ministry calls for urgent UN Security Council meeting to discuss aftermath of US missile strike on Syrian base



https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165662.jpg

© Vadim Grishankin/Russian Defence Ministry Press and Information Office/TASS

MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Russia suspends the Memorandum on preventing incidents and ensuring flights safety during operations in Syria earlier signed with the United States in the wake of the US strike on the Syrian airbase, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported on Friday.

Read also
https://phototass3.cdnvideo.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165658.jpg (http://tass.com/politics/939920)Putin calls US strikes against Syria 'aggression against sovereign country' (http://tass.com/politics/939920)



"The Russian side suspends the Memorandum on preventing incidents and ensuring flights safety during operations in Syria signed with the US," the ministry said.
"We’re urging the UN Security Council to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the current situation," the ministry said.
The ministry claims the strike was prepared in advance. Washington has made decision on missile strike on Syria prior to developments in Idlib province, the statement said.
The US strike in Syria is an attempt to distract attention from the situation in Iraq’s Mosul, the statement said.
"Undoubtedly, the US strike is an attempt to divert attention from the situation in Mosul where hundreds of civilians lost their lives due to actions, including by the US-led coalition, and the humanitarian disaster is mounting ," the ministry said.
"Apparently, the US cruise missile strike was prepared in advance," the Russian Foreign Ministry said. "It is clear to any specialist that a decision on carrying out the strikes was made in Washington prior to the developments in Idlib, which were just used as a pretext for demonstrating strength.".




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http://tass.com/politics/939940[/QUOTE Balu this is just for you ... you know how much we give a sh*t about Russian flight. You get your little jackasses out there and take on some Navy/Marine pilots. Go right ahead ahnd give that sh*t your best shot. I think I got a bag of popcorn around here and I can only hope it's televised.

[Balu]

Now you're talking jibberish. You are getting scared. Time for you to run and hide again.

I was scared long time before.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vofH6We7iX8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVHUd9KqhjQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqtfswgtue4

[Balu]

Thanks. I already saw the news. Putin calling for the meeting doesn't concern me any more than Bolivia calling for it.
And now do read underlined in my post. Then, try to think it over... if you are able.

[Gunny]

@Balu (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=3557) I DO have to say I am impressed with you. You managed to piss off Kathianne and I haven't seen THAT in years. Lil Sis whipped your ass and you ran. Just like your pilots do.

[Gunny]

Wow. Look at all that 1980s shit balu can fight us with. I'm impressed as hell. I'd just call for CAS. 4 FA-18s will finish THAT bull. You're always talking 6th Fleet. I think you're in love, myself. All I got to do is call back to the boat and I have better trained pilots and more firepower than you can dream of. And I got a boatload of jarheads. All I need is a green light.

[sear]

" Quote Originally Posted by Balu View Post
Putin calls US strikes against Syria 'aggression against sovereign country' " #76

Is Putin in factual error in so asserting?

Wasn't D-Day "aggression against sovereign country"?
It seems to me the legitimate point is not how it is labeled, but whether it was justified.

I'm sure there are more learned members than me posting here.
So I ask them.
Isn't the issue not whether it's against a sovereign country, but whether it was justified?
Is using chemical nerve agent against babies in ones own nation (Syria) not a war crime?
Is defending the defenseless not a legitimate use of military power?

Please don't infer more than I imply.
I'm not defending President Trump's military action in Syria. For one thing, don't the cruise missiles used cost over a $million $dollars a $piece?
Why do I have to pay to dope-slap Assad?

BUT !!

Was this recent missile strike on Assad's military assets justified?
If not, on what basis was it not?

"American people are friends of Liberty everywhere, but custodians only of their own." John Adams

[Balu]

The Turkish Bosphorus Observer, a Twitter account tracking the passage of ships across the Bosporus, writes about Russian ships that return to the Mediterranean Sea urgently to the shores of Syria and publish their photos.

http://rusnext.ru/sites/default/files/8a70a311226c7b317cd38b3694aa8298_0.jpg

http://rusnext.ru/sites/default/files/62fed80ab76ef5f2ba1ac27b66db8b17.jpg

In particular, the frigate Admiral Grigorovich, brought to the combat readiness, is returning to the Syrian coasts.

"Admiral Grigorovich" leaves the Black Sea and the Bosphorus, "the report said.

Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1491549885

[sear]

B #88

And therefore what?

Do you think Putin is spoiling for a fight with the U.S. military?

If so, where do you think he wants it to end? Mutual nuclear annihilation?

[Gunny]

The Turkish Bosphorus Observer, a Twitter account tracking the passage of ships across the Bosporus, writes about Russian ships that return to the Mediterranean Sea urgently to the shores of Syria and publish their photos.

http://rusnext.ru/sites/default/files/8a70a311226c7b317cd38b3694aa8298_0.jpg

http://rusnext.ru/sites/default/files/62fed80ab76ef5f2ba1ac27b66db8b17.jpg

In particular, the frigate Admiral Grigorovich, brought to the combat readiness, is returning to the Syrian coasts.

"Admiral Grigorovich" leaves the Black Sea and the Bosphorus, "the report said.

Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1491549885You made a tactical mistake Mr Military Genius. You got the leftwingers and the chicks up your ass. At the end of the day after all the infighting is done? We're Americans. You come get some. Bring your 1980s military with you.

[Balu]

B #88

And therefore what?

Do you think Putin is spoiling for a fight with the U.S. military?

If so, where do you think he wants it to end? Mutual nuclear annihilation?
One strike to Yellow Stone will be enough to show you who you are in this world.

[Gunny]

One strike to Yellow Stone will be enough to show you who you are in this world.You have nowhere near the firepower capability we do. Those fishing boats you call a navy? Pffft. You are stupid. You are outclassed in every point. Go ahead and fuck with us. Your damned snipers can't even compete. I can shoot from 1800 meters farther than your bullshit little boys. And their aint nothing nice about me behind a scope.

You think our squids won't wax your ass? You been reading too much of your own shit. Did I mention you're a dumbass?

[sear]

B #91

?
I suspect you'd hoped to make a valid point.

[Gunny]

B #91

?
I suspect you'd hoped to make a valid point.Have to learn to gather intel. He just outed himself. Yelloetone is a target? Guess what's there. NORAD.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Well.......this will get dicey and quickly.

The targets had better be muslim terrorist positions (AND NOT ASSAD 'S FORCES!) or else, TRUMP HAS JUST INSURED HIS DOWNFALL!!!!!!!

We all had best pray that its not to intended to help give victory to those(ISIS) seeking to depose Assad and bring in the muslim caliphate.-TYR

[Balu]

The latest data from the Ministry of Defense of Russia.
Only 23 of 59 launched missiles have reached the airfield.
Note: This area is not protected by Russian S-300 and S-400 complexes with our crews.

[Gunny]

The latest data from the Ministry of Defense of Russia.
Only 23 of 59 launched missiles have reached the airfield.
Note: This area is not protected by Russian S-300 and S-400 complexes with our crews.You're a fraud. You know nothing about the military that isn't cut n paste.

[Drummond]

The Turkish Bosphorus Observer, a Twitter account tracking the passage of ships across the Bosporus, writes about Russian ships that return to the Mediterranean Sea urgently to the shores of Syria and publish their photos.

http://rusnext.ru/sites/default/files/8a70a311226c7b317cd38b3694aa8298_0.jpg

http://rusnext.ru/sites/default/files/62fed80ab76ef5f2ba1ac27b66db8b17.jpg

In particular, the frigate Admiral Grigorovich, brought to the combat readiness, is returning to the Syrian coasts.

"Admiral Grigorovich" leaves the Black Sea and the Bosphorus, "the report said.

Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1491549885

What's Russia's expectation from such moves ? That America will suddenly start quaking in its shoes, suddenly abandon its values and its commitment to stand up for, and fight for, what is RIGHT ?

Balu, I know better than that ... and I'm not even American myself !!

Terrorists in Syria HAVE to be dealt with. Russia (albeit for its own self-centred motives) has acted ruthlessly, but nonetheless laudably, in doing what had to be done. BUT .. that doesn't mean that atrocities and outrages committed by Assad's side get ignored and consequently permitted.

Trump has done exactly the right thing in acting, now, against Syria. There are certain acts which no civilised country can decently ignore.

The beauty of this is that it should make no impact against the expected investigation into the chemical attack itself .. something Russia has tried to deflect, in its attempt to limit the governing Resolution about it, away from the Assad regime itself.

Bottom line, Balu -- there are times when you stand up for principle, and sheer human decency, over and above self-centred interest. If defending against human atrocities isn't one ... well ... why are you even fighting terrorists in the first place ??

[sear]

"We all had best pray that its not to intended to help give victory to those(ISIS) seeking to depose Assad and bring in the muslim caliphate.-TYR" TZ #95

Isn't that more or less the basis for Obama's analysis paralysis? Obama's refusal to act on Senate Armed Services Committee Chair J. McCain (R-AZ)?

We don't want to back Assad. To quote Billy Mummy, Assad is "a very bad man!"

Is ISIL any better?

Silence never makes mistakes. Hindu proverb

[sear]

PS
D #98

"What's Russia's expectation from such moves ? That America will suddenly start quaking in its shoes, suddenly abandon its values and its commitment to stand up for, and fight for, what is RIGHT ?" D #98

True, but potentially immaterial.

"Mutual Assured Destruction (M.A.D.)" may have enabled U.S. to survive the Cold War. -You kill us, we'll kill you even worse!-

- fabulous -

The question is, which of these two madmen, Putin or Trump, is the more dangerous.

They've gone from bromance to sabre-rattling in just a few months.

You can do whatever you like.
But if you have some spare time,
might not be a bad opportunity to update the supplies in your fallout shelter.
You won't survive a TNE.

BUT !!

At least you'll have a little more time to catch up on I Love Lucy archives before the human race is extinguished by these two world-class geniuses.

[Kathianne]

You're wrong. I understood it. I didn't tell you enough. I don't care if the UN Security Council meets. I don't care if they and Putin call trump a war criminal. Is that better?

Putin doesn't worry me because he is probably just like you: He will run and hide when someone stands up to him. All Russians are like that, aren't they?

Anyone else get the sense that Balu may be pounding a shoe on a table? "You understand nothing!"

[sear]

K #101

I don't remember. Was it Khrushchev that pounded his shoe?

And I don't remember the wording.
Did he say:
"I will bury you." Or did he say:

"We will bury you"?

888888888888888888888888888888888

Perhaps Vlad's glow-in-the-dark post Cold War "offer" (threat) to President Trump should be:

"I'll save you a bundle on flashlight batteries!"

[Balu]

Latest news.
Russia is prepared to modernize and strengthen the air defense and missile defense of Syria (currently based on the outdated SA-5 Gammon and SA-22 Greyhound complexes) to protect the country's military and civil vital facilities on the whole territory of the country.

[revelarts]

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/850154210469572608
SAD.


You obviously suffer from being unable to realize the difference between strategic airstrikes vs. boots-on-the-ground combat forces.
So if Russia does strategic airstrikes against Alaska that's NOT an act of war?
It won't really be war if they do it over several years then either.
Nighttrain, no personal offense but, your talking utter hard core BS.



We haven't declared war since 1941.
That's a very serious problem... at least for those who sincerely believe in constitutional law.

For those that like soft dictatorships and an american empir... i mean "spreading democracy round the world" :saluting2:..... not so much.

[Kathianne]

Latest news.
Russia is prepared to modernize and strengthen the air defense and missile defense of Syria (currently based on the outdated SA-5 Gammon and SA-22 Greyhound complexes) to protect the country's military and civil vital facilities on the whole territory of the country.

Good the bear. Hope that all works out for you.

[Kathianne]

SAD.


So if Russia does strategic airstrikes against Alaska that's NOT an act of war?
It won't really be war if they do it over several years then either.
Nighttrain, no personal offense but, your talking utter hard core BS.



That's a very problem... at least for those who sincerely believe in constitutional law.

For those that like soft dictatorships and an american empir... i mean "spreading democracy round the world" :saluting2:..... not so much.

I do think the President, whomever that is, needs to be able to act decisively when called for. I also agree that actions such as Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS, al Queda need to have those wars declared. National security cannot be delegated to the UN.

[revelarts]

I do think the President, whomever that is, needs to be able to act decisively when called for. I also agree that actions such as Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS, al Queda need to have those wars declared. National security cannot be delegated to the UN.

The president does have the ability to act decisively when called for. in real actionable defense.
But random invasions and bombings around the world when there's little to ZERO real threat to the U.S..
are not allowed and as you say the U.N. does not have any right to direct U.S. forces anywhere ...at anytime.

Either we follow the constitution here or not.
And frankly i can't think of ONE of the presidentially instigated "military interventions" that were absolutely necessary.

[Kathianne]

The president does have the ability to act decisively when called for. in real actionable defense.
But random invasions and bombings around the world when there's little to ZERO real threat to the U.S..
are not allowed and as you say the U.N. does not have any right to direct U.S. forces anywhere ...at anytime.

Either we follow the constitution here or not.
And frankly i can't think of ONE of the presidentially instigated "military interventions" that were absolutely necessary.

I'm not going with 'you're wrong,' but do think that beyond a doubt we have troops in Syria, more every month. We just don't know everything there is to know, nor should we.

[sear]

"National security cannot be delegated to the UN." K #107

Cannot, and is not.

Art.6 Sect.2 of the United States Constitution, the supremacy clause establishes that it's U.S. law, not U.N. edict that governs the United States of America.

Security Council approval of any U.S. or NATO military operation provides an appearance of legitimacy in international law.

But sadly, law does not govern war. If it did, Assad would never have poisoned those innocent children.

[sear]

"We just don't know everything there is to know, nor should we." K #108

'tis folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss.
paraphrase Thomas Gray


We should not know ahead of time, to eliminate the risk of our troops in combat being betrayed.

BUT !!

In our voting republic, the electorate is obliged to know what our government is up to.

So after the fact, we tax-payer / voters have a need to now what it is our $tax $dollars are being spent on.

[pete311]

Trump will regret ever using Twitter

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9832&stc=1

[Balu]

If it did, Assad would never have poisoned those innocent children.
Well... where are results of investigation proving that there was a chemical attack conducted by Syrian Air Forces? Were are the fragments of air bombs used to deliver these chemicals? Where are the samples of chemicals, which may be detected in the bodies of victims and show the technology of its manufacturing. Should the samples are equal to to the chemicals decimated by Syria under the UN supervision the may be the ground for accusation.
The words of own or anybody's assurance or digital amateur photos are not accepted.

[NightTrain]

The president does have the ability to act decisively when called for. in real actionable defense.
But random invasions and bombings around the world when there's little to ZERO real threat to the U.S..
are not allowed and as you say the U.N. does not have any right to direct U.S. forces anywhere ...at anytime.

Either we follow the constitution here or not.
And frankly i can't think of ONE of the presidentially instigated "military interventions" that were absolutely necessary.

BS.

Show me where this was unconstitutional.

[sear]

B #112

I'm not attesting to the validity of the casus belli.
I'm responding to it with the understanding that as my posted comments are not U.S. military policy,
and that I'm not in any official capacity a spokesperson for the United States military,
that I retain a Constitutional right to express my opinion, however ill-informed it may be.

If it turns out Assad is a choir boy, I'll be sure to post a retraction.

Don't hold your breath awaiting that. ASSAD IS A MONSTER!

[jimnyc]

I'm leaning WAY towards Assad being responsible. I am happy that they sent a very strong message AND destroyed an airport and all their hangars and what not. Hopefully everyone involved over there will get the message at least, don't step over the lines. I truly believe this was the correct decision. They didn't target people, government buildings and all that - they wanted to send a message.

[Drummond]

Well... where are results of investigation proving that there was a chemical attack conducted by Syrian Air Forces? Were are the fragments of air bombs used to deliver these chemicals? Where are the samples of chemicals, which may be detected in the bodies of victims and show the technology of its manufacturing. Should the samples are equal to to the chemicals decimated by Syria under the UN supervision the may be the ground for accusation.
The words of own or anybody's assurance or digital amateur photos are not accepted.

You are slavishly wedded to your country's own propaganda, and you're trying to push it on to us. Fact is, Balu, that Russia is pulling out all the stops it possibly can to protect Assad from culpability .. and, it's doing so REGARDLESS of the truth.

You talk of 'samples of chemicals'. OK, I agree, it would be preferable if some had been collected, and determinations reached from what had been collected. NEVERTHELESS ... there's plenty of evidence of what the victims of the toxin suffered ! The reports of symptoms tallied; and what they were, and what they tell us, IS known.

It is therefore clear that the toxin was Sarin gas.

I ask again .... who manufactured that agent ? How on earth could rebels have manufactured it ? Where could they have possibly got it from, and in great quantities, to have required warehouse storage ???

If you, and those you support, are going to insist this is all down to the rebels, then you have to find some way of explaining HOW they managed any of that. Because if you're right, then, they must have had a way.

I challenge you to provide any possible explanation of their ownership of Sarin.

It's far more credible to suppose that Assad's regime has such a stockpile. They WERE known to have chemical WMD's. What assurance do any of us have that, now, they don't possess any ?

Or, for that matter, that they haven't been recently resupplied with them ?

[Balu]

I'm leaning WAY towards Assad being responsible. I am happy that they sent a very strong message AND destroyed an airport and all their hangars and what not. Hopefully everyone involved over there will get the message at least, don't step over the lines. I truly believe this was the correct decision. They didn't target people, government buildings and all that - they wanted to send a message.
Who told you this nonsense? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dntknw.gif

MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Only 23 out of 59 cruise missiles fired from US warships at a Syrian air base hit the target, according to Russia’s data recording equipment, Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said on Friday.

"The combat effectiveness of the US massive missile strike on Syria’s airbase was thus very low," the ministry's spokesman stressed.

"According to the data recording equipment, only 23 missiles reached the Syrian air base. The place where the other missiles fell remains unknown," the spokesman said.


The US missile attack killed four Syrian military servicemen, while several more were wounded or went missing. "According to the air base command, two Syrian servicemen went missing, while four were killed and six sustained burn injuries while extinguishing the fire," Konashenkov said.
At the same time, according to the Syrian army command, the attack killed six (http://tass.com/world/939939) people.
According to the Russian Defense Ministry, six Mikoyan MiG-23 fighter jets, a radar station and other equipment have been destroyed.
"The strike destroyed a logistics warehouse, a training building, a canteen, six MiG-23 planes in the repair hangars and also a radar station."
"The runway, taxiways and parked planes of the Syrian Air Force have not been damaged," the spokesman noted.


And now compare it with our missile launched from the area of the Caspian Sea and enjoy a difference. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

[sear]

"I challenge you to provide any possible explanation of their ownership of Sarin.
It's far more credible to suppose that Assad's regime has such a stockpile. They WERE known to have chemical WMD's. What assurance do any of us have that, now, they don't possess any ?
Or, for that matter, that they haven't been recently resupplied with them ?" D #116

Whether or not the Kerry / Putin purge removed 100% of the chemical stockpile in Syria I do not know.

BUT !!

Even if it did,
that wouldn't have prevented either Russia or Iran from updating Assad's arsenal afterward.

"I challenge you to provide any possible explanation of their ownership of Sarin." D #116

Resupply.

Rather obvious. Don't you think?

[Drummond]

"I challenge you to provide any possible explanation of their ownership of Sarin.
It's far more credible to suppose that Assad's regime has such a stockpile. They WERE known to have chemical WMD's. What assurance do any of us have that, now, they don't possess any ?
Or, for that matter, that they haven't been recently resupplied with them ?" D #116

Whether or not the Kerry / Putin purge removed 100% of the chemical stockpile in Syria I do not know.

BUT !!

Even if it did,
that wouldn't have prevented either Russia or Iran from updating Assad's arsenal afterward.

"I challenge you to provide any possible explanation of their ownership of Sarin." D #116

Resupply.

Rather obvious. Don't you think?:clap::clap::clap:

Sear, you've managed to post something I agree with !!

That includes the obvious point about Syria's being re-supplied with Sarin.

I think - and I've already pointed it out, on this forum - that Assad's Syria has value to Russia, because they'd be enthusiastic purchasers of the weaponry that Russia can easily supply them with.

With Russia's Mickey Mouse economy, I'm sure they're looking for whatever sources of revenue they can find. I think this is what's chiefly driving Russia's staunch, totally unwavering support of Assad.

[jimnyc]

Who told you this nonsense?

While I did read it from another source, which I doubt you would believe - how does Russian TV suit you? And I'll add what I read underneath it... Russian sources make it sound not as bad, granted.

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Nine planes destroyed by US strike on Syria base: Russian TV

Moscow (AFP) - Nine planes as well as munition and fuel depots were destroyed in the US strike on Syria's Shayrat airbase early Friday but the runway was intact, the Russian state channel Rossiya24 reported from the scene.

"According to preliminary information, nine Syrian airplanes were destroyed," its correspondent said in a report from the base, broadcast hours after the strike at 0040 GMT Friday.

Stores with ammunition and fuel were also targeted, he said, adding that a fire and some explosions were ongoing.

"But not all equipment has been destroyed, there is some that was not impacted by the strike," the correspondent said.

"The landing strip... is practically not impacted," he added.

Footage showed the runway intact but covered in debris, as well as two planes sitting in concrete hangars.

The aircraft were apparently not heavily damaged while some other hangars were charred and surrounded by rubble.

Moscow slammed the attack ordered by US President Donald Trump as "thoughtless" and called it "aggression again

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nine-planes-destroyed-us-strike-syria-russian-tv-101424497.html


Syrian airbase 'almost completely destroyed' after US strike

The Syrian airfield targeted by United States airstrikes early Friday was “almost completely destroyed,” a human rights group in the country said.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the missile attack damaged over a dozen hangars, a fuel depot and an air defense base. About 60 U.S. Tomahawk missiles hit the Shayrat air base, southeast of Homs, a small installation with two runways.

At least seven Syrian soldiers were killed and nine wounded in the airstrike, the country's military said. The governor of Homs province said he did not believe the strikes caused a large number of “human casualties.” A Syrian official the attack caused deaths and a fire, but did not elaborate.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/06/initial-reports-indicate-syrian-airbase-almost-completely-destroyed-after-us-strike.html

[jimnyc]

Trump will regret ever using Twitter

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9832&stc=1

His approval rating according to Rasmussen had went UP about 15 points in the past few weeks.

[jimnyc]

BS.

Show me where this was unconstitutional.

Just as Obama showed that he had the power to use the military in certain ways for I think it was 60, or 90 days? And anything longer than that would need congressional approval. A blast from the past... I think it was discussed here as well for quite some time.

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White House Defends Continuing U.S. Role in Libya Operation

WASHINGTON — The White House, pushing hard against criticism in Congress over the deepening air war in Libya, asserted Wednesday that President Obama had the authority to continue the military campaign without Congressional approval because American involvement fell short of full-blown hostilities.

In a 38-page report sent to lawmakers describing and defending the NATO-led operation, the White House said the mission was prying loose Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s grip on power.

In contending that the limited American role did not oblige the administration to ask for authorization under the War Powers Resolution, the report asserted that “U.S. operations do not involve sustained fighting or active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, nor do they involve U.S. ground troops.” Still, the White House acknowledged, the operation has cost the Pentagon $716 million in its first two months and will have cost $1.1 billion by September at the current scale of operations.

The report came one day after the House Speaker, John A. Boehner, Republican of Ohio, had sent a letter to Mr. Obama warning him that he appeared to be out of time under the Vietnam-era law that says presidents must terminate a mission 60 or 90 days after notifying Congress that troops have been deployed into hostilities, unless lawmakers authorize the operation to continue.

Rest here - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/us/politics/16powers.html

[sear]

"Sear, you've managed to post something I agree with !!" D #119

I apologize.
It won't happen again. http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9833&stc=1

"I think - and I've already pointed it out, on this forum - that Assad's Syria has value to Russia" D

"Value"?!

It's TITANIC !!

Syria provides Russia / Putin with Russian navy access to the Mediterranean / Adriatic Sea, past Gibraltar clear out to the Atlantic.

Putin will give Assad 3 BJ's a week if it preserves that warm-water port access.

"because they'd be enthusiastic purchasers of the weaponry that Russia can easily supply them with." D

I agree that it's an alliance not of ideology but of mutual benefit.

[Balu]

While I did read it from another source, which I doubt you would believe - how does Russian TV suit you? And I'll add what I read underneath it... Russian sources make it sound not as bad, granted.



Have a look and compare yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl0y3xNciPY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzMRwtMVhZ4

[NightTrain]

Only 23 out of 59 cruise missiles fired from US warships at a Syrian air base hit the target, according to Russia’s data recording equipment

I really doubt those numbers.

I'm thinking that Russia and Syria's failure to intercept even one of the 59 Tomahawks is pretty embarrassing.

The S-400 has a range of 200 miles... what happened, Balu?

We just demonstrated that we can easily evade your best missile defense systems and strike anywhere with ease and destroy entire air bases with impunity. Time to upgrade your equipment.

[sear]

Let's check the BDA.

[pete311]

Is he right?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9834&stc=1

[jimnyc]

Is he right?

Was he speaking of the crossed line and chemical weapons and dead kids when he posted that? If he condemned Obama for dropping bombs after a chemical attack that killed children, I would agree even more.

Either way, I fully expect any president to adapt to things once in office, and they have further access to intel and such.

YES, he wrote some dumb things on twitter and still does at times! But really, it has NOTHING to do with what is going on. He's STILL correct in what he's doing.

[sear]

It's worse than that p3.

I read a quote from the Donald, advising Obama to avoid military involvement in Syria, saying the upside was too scant, and the downside too great.

Then the hypocrite in chief criticized Obama for not intervening.

That's why Donald Trump is never wrong.

He takes BOTH sides of such positions.

[NightTrain]

Is he right?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9834&stc=1


He was at the time... we had an incompetent buffoon community organizer in the White House then.

Pretty cool that pretty much the whole world and even moonbats in Congress are applauding the action, don't you think, Petey?

[jimnyc]

He was at the time... we had an incompetent buffoon community organizer in the White House then.

Pretty cool that pretty much the whole world and even moonbats in Congress are applauding the action, don't you think, Petey?

They asked Barbara Boxer her thoughts when she was walking in Cali, and even that nutter agreed.

[sear]

"He's STILL correct in what he's doing." jc #128

Trump?
For blowing nearly a $hundred $million on dope-slapping Assad?

IF
the expenditure would alter the outcome, you might have room to argue your case.

But Trump's vandalism isn't going to change that.

And more important:

"American people are friends of Liberty everywhere, but custodians only of their own." John Adams


If we do this in Syria, why not in Yemen, Somalia, Darfur, and many elsewheres?

The proof that such U.S. military intervention is a bad idea is the bipartisan proof.

Bush (R-"TX") destabilized the region by imposing regime change in Iraq.

Obama (D-IL) destabilized Libya by rubbing out Quadaffy.

When are we going to learn that THEIR problems are up to THEM to solve?

[NightTrain]

They asked Barbara Boxer her thoughts when she was walking in Cali, and even that nutter agreed.

Pretty funny that as soon as the democrats saw how popular the strike was, they got on board with it.


I'm hoping that all of them will get Primaried for cooperating with Trump. #Resist!

[Black Diamond]

It's worse than that p3.

I read a quote from the Donald, advising Obama to avoid military involvement in Syria, saying the upside was too scant, and the downside too great.

Then the hypocrite in chief criticized Obama for not intervening.

That's why Donald Trump is never wrong.

He takes BOTH sides of such positions.
"Running deficits is unpatriotic."

~Barack Hussein Obama

[gabosaurus]

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.




Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

"@mguarino64 (https://twitter.com/mguarino64): @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) " How would you treat the Syria situation if president ?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!




Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

"@BigSexyBDAvis (https://twitter.com/BigSexyBDAvis): @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) mr trump would attack Syria or no?" No, lets make our country great again as they fight their war!


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

The Arab League stated that it wants nothing to do with an attack on Syria, but they want us to attack.Are our leaders insane or just stupid

[jimnyc]

Not sure why some think Assad couldn't have done this - as they have done in before, and hence the agreement in 2013 to get rid of their chemical weapons. So why in the world would we NOT believe they simply did it again? And there claim that they simply bombed a terrorist warehouse and that's where the sarin came from, doesn't add up fully. Also, survivors claimed to have seen the chemical bombing.

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Syria chemical weapons attack: what we know about deadly air raid

What happened in Khan Sheikhun ?
Syrian government planes carried out a dawn raid on the rebel-held town of Khan Sheikhun on Tuesday morning. Following the airstrikes, residents reported whole families found dead in their beds, with victims and injured survivors showing symptoms that match poisoning by nerve agents.

These symptoms included pupils shrunk to the size of pin pricks, foaming at the mouth, breathlessness and convulsions.

The most likely poison is thought to be sarin, which killed hundreds in an attack on the Damascus suburb of Ghouta in 2013. After those deaths the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, agreed to give up his chemical weapons supply for destruction.

But a large supply of sarin was allegedly unaccounted for when the stockpile was removed, according to Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commanding officer of the UK Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment and director of Doctors Under Fire.

...

Russia has denied that Syria launched a chemical weapons attack. Does their argument have any credibility?

Syria’s military has “categorically denied” responsibility for the attack. Russia, which is heavily backing the Assad government, said a Syrian government airstrike had hit a “terrorist warehouse” holding “toxic substances”.

That claim does not fit with facts on the ground, for several reasons. An airstrike on a weapons depot with high explosives would have destroyed much of the sarin immediately, and distributed any that survived over a much smaller area.

“The pattern of casualties isn’t right for the distribution of materials that you would get if you had a location with toxic materials breached by an airstrike. It’s more consistent with canisters that have distributed [chemical weapons] over a wider population,” Guthrie said.

While it is impossible to assess the exact amount of chemical agent used immediately, the extent and distribution of the casualties are consistent with the use of hundreds of kilos.

Sarin is too complicated and expensive for rebels to have manufactured themselves, and while they might potentially have obtained some supplies of stolen nerve agents or other gas, it is very unlikely to be more than a few kilos.

“If they have [sarin], it would be in minute quantities, maybe a kilo or so,” said De Bretton Gordon. The high numbers of woman and children among the casualties was not consistent with a military depot, he added.

Finally, the Syrian manufacturing process for sarin involves creating and storing two key components, both far more stable than the nerve agent itself. They are mixed to create sarin hours – or at most days – before it is used, said Dan Kaszeta, a chemical weapons expert and former officer in the US Army’s chemical corps.

So an airstrike on a storage facility would be unlikely to release sarin itself. And because one of the two components is highly flammable isopropyl alcohol, or rubbing alcohol, you would expect a fireball, which has not been observed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/05/syria-chemical-weapons-attack-what-we-know-khan-sheikhun

[pete311]

He was at the time... we had an incompetent buffoon community organizer in the White House then.

Pretty cool that pretty much the whole world and even moonbats in Congress are applauding the action, don't you think, Petey?

I myself am not against it. Just showing he says whatever helps him at the moment.

[Black Diamond]

Pretty funny that as soon as the democrats saw how popular the strike was, they got on board with it.


I'm hoping that all of them will get Primaried for cooperating with Trump. #Resist!

They have an out. They would say Hillary would have done the same thing. And I think they are right.

[jimnyc]

They have an out. They would say Hillary would have done the same thing. And I think they are right.

Ahead of attack, Hillary Clinton called for strikes against Syrian airfields

https://gma.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-calls-strikes-against-syrian-airfields-235706710--abc-news-topstories.html

[jimnyc]

I guess Putin and Russia's guarantee wasn't worth much. I'd love to see pictures, documentation and proof from inspectors that Russia did in fact do just that, which I highly doubt.

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Russia has 'egg on their face' after Trump airstrike, says former US ambassador to Syria

Russian President Vladimir Putin is likely furious after the U.S. fired cruise missiles at a Syrian air base in response to a chemical weapons attack, former U.S. Ambassador to Syria Theodore Kattouf told CNBC on Friday.

"But they have egg on their face," Kattouf, who served under the George W. Bush administration, said on " Squawk Box ."

Kattouf said that Russia guaranteed in 2013 that Syria's chemical weapons arsenal would be removed or destroyed. Obviously, that did not happen "100 percent," Kattouf said.

After Thursday's U.S. missile strikes on a Syrian air base, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Russia had failed to carry out the 2013 agreement to secure Syrian chemical weapons. He said Moscow was either complicit or incompetent in its ability to uphold that deal.

Russia said the U.S. strikes against Bashar Assad's government violated international law. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Putin believed the U.S. attacks on Syria showed aggression against a sovereign state.

President Donald Trump ordered the attack by 59 Tomahawk missiles on a Syria military air base in response to Tuesday's deadly chemical weapons attack allegedly carried out by Assad's military on a rebel-held area.

Kattouf said the strikes against Assad's government sent "just the right message.

Rest here - https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-apos-egg-face-apos-113317600.html

[NightTrain]

I myself am not against it. Just showing he says whatever helps him at the moment.

You're just anklebiting, which is what all moonbats have relegated themselves to. That's all you can do when you have no political power.

[NightTrain]

I guess Putin and Russia's guarantee wasn't worth much. I'd love to see pictures, documentation and proof from inspectors that Russia did in fact do just that, which I highly doubt.

---

Russia has 'egg on their face' after Trump airstrike, says former US ambassador to Syria

Russian President Vladimir Putin is likely furious after the U.S. fired cruise missiles at a Syrian air base in response to a chemical weapons attack, former U.S. Ambassador to Syria Theodore Kattouf told CNBC on Friday.

"But they have egg on their face," Kattouf, who served under the George W. Bush administration, said on " Squawk Box ."

Kattouf said that Russia guaranteed in 2013 that Syria's chemical weapons arsenal would be removed or destroyed. Obviously, that did not happen "100 percent," Kattouf said.

After Thursday's U.S. missile strikes on a Syrian air base, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Russia had failed to carry out the 2013 agreement to secure Syrian chemical weapons. He said Moscow was either complicit or incompetent in its ability to uphold that deal.

Russia said the U.S. strikes against Bashar Assad's government violated international law. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Putin believed the U.S. attacks on Syria showed aggression against a sovereign state.

President Donald Trump ordered the attack by 59 Tomahawk missiles on a Syria military air base in response to Tuesday's deadly chemical weapons attack allegedly carried out by Assad's military on a rebel-held area.

Kattouf said the strikes against Assad's government sent "just the right message.

Rest here - https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-apos-egg-face-apos-113317600.html

That, combined with the fact that not even one missile was intercepted by either the Russians or the Syrians.

It demonstrated that the S-400 was much overhyped. If Putin had had forewarning, he could have arranged things to hide the failure of his airspace defense, but he got caught with his pants down on this one.

It may be decent for a non-stealthy aircraft, probably kicks ass against commercial airliners, but appears to be useless against U.S. military grade hardware as demonstrated 59 times.

Another possibility is that we jammed radar rendering the SAM systems useless, too. The Pentagon doesn't seem to be willing to talk about the particulars, which is as it should be.

[Black Diamond]

Ahead of attack, Hillary Clinton called for strikes against Syrian airfields

https://gma.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-calls-strikes-against-syrian-airfields-235706710--abc-news-topstories.html
I heard on fox last night that Hillary had told Obama to level their air bases??

[Black Diamond]

I myself am not against it. Just showing he says whatever helps him at the moment.
Care to explain why osamabama said running deficits is unpatriotic and then doubled our national debt by running outlandish deficits???

[Balu]

I really doubt those numbers.

I'm thinking that Russia and Syria's failure to intercept even one of the 59 Tomahawks is pretty embarrassing.

The S-400 has a range of 200 miles... what happened, Balu?

We just demonstrated that we can easily evade your best missile defense systems and strike anywhere with ease and destroy entire air bases with impunity. Time to upgrade your equipment.
First. - You may believe or not, but it is a matter of fact.
Second. - May be it sound strange but we were not intercepting your missiles as we were bounded by the Memorandum signed between Russia and the USA. Your missiles just failed to fly to the target. Now we suspended this Memorandum, so you can fly and launch at your own risk. The crews of Air Defense complexes are well trained and skilled. The Vietnam Vets must have remembered it. Even Senator John McCain. So, we'll see what will happen then. But jokes apart. You (not personally you) were warned. Pentagon understands what it means, so it already declared that is seeking dialogue with Russia on flight safety over Syria.

[aboutime]

Is he right?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9834&stc=1



petey has spoken again....recognize petey, and laugh...

http://icansayit.com/images/troll.jpg

[Black Diamond]

And now do read underlined in my post. Then, try to think it over... if you are able.
I read it dipshit. Let me explain again. I don't care how many councils say what trump did was illegal. I don't care if foreign bodies label him a war criminal. We don't report to the UN as you clearly pointed out. And we certainly don't ask Putin for permission. Fuck Putin. Fuck the UN Security Council and fuck you.

[aboutime]

First. - You may believe or not, but it is a matter of fact.
Second. - May be it sound strange but we were not intercepting your missiles as we were bounded by the Memorandum signed between Russia and the USA. Your missiles just failed to fly to the target. Now we suspended this Memorandum, so you can fly and launch at your own risk. The crews of Air Defense complexes are well trained and skilled. The Vietnam Vets must have remembered it. Even Senator John McCain. So, we'll see what will happen then. But jokes apart. You (not personally you) were warned. Pentagon understands what it means, so it already declared that is seeking dialogue with Russia on flight safety over Syria.


Balu. WOULD you like to reconsider your statement about "Your missiles just failed to fly to the target"?
Seems 59 of our missiles REMOVED that Syrian Air Base from Google Earth.
Unless you believe the target was Assad's house. That COULD BE NEXT if he uses Chemicals again...for any reason.

[NightTrain]

First. - You may believe or not, but it is a matter of fact.
Second. - May be it sound strange but we were not intercepting your missiles as we were bounded by the Memorandum signed between Russia and the USA. Your missiles just failed to fly to the target. Now we suspended this Memorandum, so you can fly and launch at your own risk. The crews of Air Defense complexes are well trained and skilled. The Vietnam Vets must have remembered it. Even Senator John McCain. So, we'll see what will happen then. But jokes apart. You (not personally you) were warned. Pentagon understands what it means, so it already declared that is seeking dialogue with Russia on flight safety over Syria.

No.

60 Tomahawks were launched, 59 struck as intended.

There was 1 Tomahawk that failed for undisclosed reasons, the rest hit their targets.

Watch the video and satellite analysis :

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/07/syria-missile-attack-satellite-photos-show-major-damage-to-airfields.html

Don't believe your own propaganda, Balu.

[aboutime]

No.

60 Tomahawks were launched, 59 struck as intended.

There was 1 Tomahawk that failed for undisclosed reasons, the rest hit their targets.

Watch the video and satellite analysis :

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/07/syria-missile-attack-satellite-photos-show-major-damage-to-airfields.html

Don't believe your own propaganda, Balu.

NightTrain. That just shows you, and I how Balu, and all of the Putin fans will believe anything their PROPAGANDA guru's broadcast to the FREE?? society of Russia.

[Black Diamond]

No.

60 Tomahawks were launched, 59 struck as intended.

There was 1 Tomahawk that failed for undisclosed reasons, the rest hit their targets.

Watch the video and satellite analysis :

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/07/syria-missile-attack-satellite-photos-show-major-damage-to-airfields.html

Don't believe your own propaganda, Balu.
Too late. Maybe he is afraid Putin will poison him if he disagrees with him.

[Balu]

No.

60 Tomahawks were launched, 59 struck as intended.

There was 1 Tomahawk that failed for undisclosed reasons, the rest hit their targets.

Watch the video and satellite analysis :

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/07/syria-missile-attack-satellite-photos-show-major-damage-to-airfields.html

Don't believe your own propaganda, Balu.
I heard the words and counted the shell-craters. So, I see another lie. I am not surprised. I believe my own yes only and prefer not panoramas from journalists, but from the means of objective control.
See the picture from drone. Pay attention to hangars, runways and taxiways.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x43eYBxjHHg

[Black Diamond]

I heard the words and counted the shell-craters. So, I see another lie. I am not surprised. I believe my own yes only and prefer not panoramas from journalists, but from the means of objective control.
See the picture from drone. Pay attention to hangars, runways and taxiways.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x43eYBxjHHg
Yes comrade vladdy is keeping you informed.

[aboutime]

I heard the words and counted the shell-craters. So, I see another lie. I am not surprised. I believe my own yes only and prefer not panoramas from journalists, but from the means of objective control.
See the picture from drone. Pay attention to hangars, runways and taxiways.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x43eYBxjHHg

Balu. Believe whatever you want. Nobody can change the truth. You disagree. That's fine. We disagree, that's fine. You are controlled by Putin's Propaganda...that's also fine. Difference is. We know the truth. We have no reasons to lie. And Assad has FEWER aircraft, hangars, runways, and taxiways. THAT'S FINE TOO!

Oh, and I almost forgot. Our Tomahawks have been fitted to EXPLODE INSIDE of cement structures, where YOU and the Russian Putin....didn't get to see the explosions. We call them BUNKER BUSTERS.
So...stay happy. Keep listening to Putin. He's your man. Gay as he is..THAT'S FINE TOO!

[OAK]

There almost always is. Correct me if I'm wrong but the miltary has a duty to reject an order if the president doesn't seem rational. For example if Trump saw those photos, looked angry and then ordered missles to be fired. I mean the generals and security officials aren't robots.The reports I saw said he acted on their recommendations.

[Black Diamond]

The reports I saw said he acted on their recommendations.
Yeah they aren't going to reject trumps order to attack Assad.

[Black Diamond]

No.

60 Tomahawks were launched, 59 struck as intended.

There was 1 Tomahawk that failed for undisclosed reasons, the rest hit their targets.

Watch the video and satellite analysis :

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/07/syria-missile-attack-satellite-photos-show-major-damage-to-airfields.html

Don't believe your own propaganda, Balu.
He is brainwashed by a guy who blames Britain for the 1939 soviet invasion of Poland. Balu probably believes that, too.

[Balu]

Balu. Believe whatever you want. Nobody can change the truth. You disagree. That's fine. We disagree, that's fine. You are controlled by Putin's Propaganda...that's also fine. Difference is. We know the truth. We have no reasons to lie. And Assad has FEWER aircraft, hangars, runways, and taxiways. THAT'S FINE TOO!

Oh, and I almost forgot. Our Tomahawks have been fitted to EXPLODE INSIDE of cement structures, where YOU and the Russian Putin....didn't get to see the explosions. We call them BUNKER BUSTERS.
So...stay happy. Keep listening to Putin. He's your man. Gay as he is..THAT'S FINE TOO!
It happened so, that I know a bit more than you think. I know what BETAB bombs are (concrete-piercing bomb) and their calibers as well as that they may explode after piercing up to 11 meters of concrete. And know how the shell-carter look like when they were used. For example one BetAB-500 SHP is capable of damaging up to 50 square meters of runway. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

https://i1.wp.com/su-27flanker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/betab-500.jpg?zoom=1.5625&resize=723%2C698

[Black Diamond]

It happened so, that I know a bit more than you think. I know what BETAB bombs are (concrete-piercing bomb) and their calibers as well as that they may explode after piercing up to 11 meters of concrete. And know how the shell-carter look like when they were used. For example one BetAB-500 SHP is capable of damaging up to 50 square meters of runway. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

https://i1.wp.com/su-27flanker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/betab-500.jpg?zoom=1.5625&resize=723%2C698
You "know" whatever Comerade Vlad wants you to "know "

[aboutime]

It happened so, that I know a bit more than you think. I know what BETAB bombs are (concrete-piercing bomb) and their calibers as well as that they may explode after piercing up to 11 meters of concrete. And know how the shell-carter look like when they were used. For example one BetAB-500 SHP is capable of damaging up to 50 square meters of runway. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

https://i1.wp.com/su-27flanker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/betab-500.jpg?zoom=1.5625&resize=723%2C698


Balu. No need to show me, or everyone else more propaganda here. I'm happy you know a bit more than I think. I agreed with you when I said..."That's fine!" several times.
It really doesn't matter to any of us how much damage your BETAB bombs can do. Nor do we need to get schooled on what, and how they work.

Bottom line...If you understand this is.... YOU say Potato. I say POTATO. Let's call the whole thing off.
Finally Balu. I do respect your need to convince us we are wrong, and you are right.
Problem is...THE REVERSE IS TRUE.

[Balu]

You "know" whatever Comerade Vlad wants you to "know "
You are funny if you don't know such a simple thing - the more languages you know, the more lifes you are able to live out. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

[Black Diamond]

You are funny if you don't know such a simple thing - the more languages you know, the more lifes you are able to live out. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)
I agree it's advantageous to learn more languages. But you are owned by Putin's lies. The more I learn about him, the more I think he is just another tsar. As Lenin, Stalin, Brezhnev, etc were.....


Dictators.

[Balu]

I agree it's advantageous to learn more languages. But you are owned by Putin's lies. The more I learn about him, the more I think he is just another tsar. As Lenin, Stalin, Brezhnev, etc were.....
Dictators.
The difference between us is that I can COMPARE and CHOSE but you can not . Gotta? http://s.rimg.info/83d91a5b1e68c306bea5c23f9bc21630.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-90186951.html)
For your information there are ELEVEN Monarchies only in Europe if we don't count Vatican. So, be careful. http://s.rimg.info/83d91a5b1e68c306bea5c23f9bc21630.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-90186951.html)

[Gunny]

PS
D #98

"What's Russia's expectation from such moves ? That America will suddenly start quaking in its shoes, suddenly abandon its values and its commitment to stand up for, and fight for, what is RIGHT ?" D #98

True, but potentially immaterial.

"Mutual Assured Destruction (M.A.D.)" may have enabled U.S. to survive the Cold War. -You kill us, we'll kill you even worse!-

- fabulous -

The question is, which of these two madmen, Putin or Trump, is the more dangerous.

They've gone from bromance to sabre-rattling in just a few months.

You can do whatever you like.
But if you have some spare time,
might not be a bad opportunity to update the supplies in your fallout shelter.
You won't survive a TNE.

BUT !!

At least you'll have a little more time to catch up on I Love Lucy archives before the human race is extinguished by these two world-class geniuses.Best guess? I'd say it depends on what's at stake who is playing by whose rules. In a straight up fight I would say Putin is the most dangerous.

However, Trump is unpredictable and unproven. I know as a business man he is ruthless. If he rolls that attitude over as President, who can say. What I see is a replay of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Over what? Syria? Screw the place. Let Russia keep the dirthole.

What BOTH need to do is take out ISIS. They can squabble over who gets to be Assad's buddy later.

[Gunny]

Balu. No need to show me, or everyone else more propaganda here. I'm happy you know a bit more than I think. I agreed with you when I said..."That's fine!" several times.
It really doesn't matter to any of us how much damage your BETAB bombs can do. Nor do we need to get schooled on what, and how they work.

Bottom line...If you understand this is.... YOU say Potato. I say POTATO. Let's call the whole thing off.
Finally Balu. I do respect your need to convince us we are wrong, and you are right.
Problem is...THE REVERSE IS TRUE.I'm LMAO actually. You look at the maintenance on that thing? What a piece of crap. I flew in 46's that were as old as I am that didn't look that sh*tty. If I was a Russian pilot I'd quit.:laugh:

[sear]

"Over what? Syria? Screw the place. Let Russia keep the dirthole." G #164

Sensible.

BUT !!

I don't think it was ever about who gets to keep the dirthole.

Wasn't it rather more about common human decency?


"Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return." U.S. Secretary Colin Powell

[Balu]

Russian Defense Ministry to suspend communications hotline with Pentagon as of April 8

Military & Defense (http://tass.com/defense)
April 07, 20:58 UTC+3
The US military attache in Moscow was summoned to the Defense Ministry to get an official note, according to the ministry's spokesman



https://phototass2.cdnvideo.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165765.jpg
Defense Ministry's official spokesman Igor Konashenkov

© Anton Novoderezhkin/TASS

Read also
https://cdn1.tass.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165750.jpg (http://tass.com/world/940156)

US still seeks dialogue with Russia on flight safety over Syria — Pentagon (http://tass.com/world/940156)


MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Russian Defense Ministry suspends as of April 8 the operations of a communications hotline with the Pentagon, which the two sides established in line with a memorandum of understanding on prevention of incidents and ensuring of flight safety in Syrian airspace, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, the Defense Ministry's official spokesman told reporters on Friday.
"About an hour ago, the US military attache in Moscow was summoned to the Defense Ministry to get an official note, which said the Russian side was suspending as of 00:00 hours on April 8 the observance of its obligations under the memorandum of understanding on prevention of incidents and ensuring of flight safety in the course of operation in the Syrian Arab Republic," he said.
Gen. Konashenkov refuted US media reports claiming Russia had decided to keep the hotline open.
He said the Defense Ministry had sent an appropriate notification to the Pentagon via military diplomatic channels earlier on Friday.
Reports on the ministry’s plans to suspend contacts in the format of the memorandum emerged on Friday afternoon. The Russian side had to make the step after the U.S. had delivered a strike with Tomahawk missiles at an airbase of the Syrian Air Force in Shayrat.
The sides designed the memorandum in October 2015. It spells out a set of rules and restrictions aiming to prevent incidents between Russian and U.S. aircraft in the skies over Syria.
The two countries maintained round-the-clock operative communications and specified a mechanism of mutual contacts inclusive of mutual assistance and aid in critical situations.




More:
http://tass.com/defense/940208

[Balu]

My congratulations to you and the terrorists you keep on supporting!

US airstrike was ‘generous gift’ to Islamic State — Chechen leader

World (http://tass.com/world)
April 08, 7:17 UTC+3 MOSCOW
"The way was cleared for terrorists," Ramzan Kadyrov said.


https://phototass4.cdnvideo.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170408/1165779.jpg
Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov

© Yelena Afonina/TASS

MOSCOW, April 8. /TASS/. The US air strike on a Syrian air force base in Homs became a "generous gift" for terrorists in Syria, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said on his Instagram page.
Read also
https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165716.jpg (http://tass.com/defense/940037)

Defense Ministry: Militants launch massive attack on Syrian troops after US missile strike (http://tass.com/defense/940037)

"The blood of civilians was spilled by missiles from their (US) warships in a generous gift for the IS (Islamic State terrorist group, outlawed in Russia - TASS). The exhausted army of (Syrian President Bashar) Asad lost up to ten aircraft. The way was cleared for terrorists," Kadyrov said.
However, the Chechen leader said, the West chose to turn a blind eye to this blatant violation of the international law.
"The world does not dare to voice any objection against US actions," he said. "The European Parliament, which reacts to every minor issue in Russia, now holds its tongue."
On an order from US President Donald Trump, the US armed forces fired a total of 59 Tomahawk subsonic cruise missiles at a military airfield in Syria’s Homs Governorate. The deadly strike came as a response for the chemical attack in Idlib on April 4 and targeted what Washington claims was a starting location for the attack.
Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Moscow views the incident as an aggression against a sovereign state.
According to the Russian Defense Ministry’s spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, Syrian militants launched a large-scale offensive on positions held by the Syrian government troops shortly after the strike.

More:
http://tass.com/world/940247

[Abbey Marie]

PS
D #98

"What's Russia's expectation from such moves ? That America will suddenly start quaking in its shoes, suddenly abandon its values and its commitment to stand up for, and fight for, what is RIGHT ?" D #98

True, but potentially immaterial.

"Mutual Assured Destruction (M.A.D.)" may have enabled U.S. to survive the Cold War. -You kill us, we'll kill you even worse!-

- fabulous -

The question is, which of these two madmen, Putin or Trump, is the more dangerous.

They've gone from bromance to sabre-rattling in just a few months.

You can do whatever you like.
But if you have some spare time,
might not be a bad opportunity to update the supplies in your fallout shelter.
You won't survive a TNE.

BUT !!

At least you'll have a little more time to catch up on I Love Lucy archives before the human race is extinguished by these two world-class geniuses.

Yeah, and I'm not holding my breath waiting for Dems to admit their Trump/Putin sneaky relationship "news" was nothing but partisan crap.

[Kathianne]

Yeah, and I'm not holding my breath waiting for Dems to admit their Trump/Putin sneaky relationship "news" was nothing but partisan crap.

Nearly certain much was partisan crap.

Then again, Trump seems to suddenly have 'awakened' to the threat of chemical weapons on men, women, and children. North Korea has been acting badly, now it's leaked that China has been put on notice that we may be moving nukes back to South Korea, within spitting distance of both China and Russia.

[Abbey Marie]

I'm not going with 'you're wrong,' but do think that beyond a doubt we have troops in Syria, more every month. We just don't know everything there is to know, nor should we.

Re: your last sentence- exactly!

[Abbey Marie]

Nearly certain much was partisan crap.

Then again, Trump seems to suddenly have 'awakened' to the threat of chemical weapons on men, women, and children. North Korea has been acting badly, now it's leaked that China has been put on notice that we may be moving nukes back to South Korea, within spitting distance of both China and Russia.

I'm sure as a businessman there is much about the world political stage the he needs to learn. We need to hope he is a quick learner, and will proceed cautiously.

My point was strictly that Dems will never acknowledge that the Trump/Putin bromance was anti- Trump media bias bs.

[Kathianne]

I'm sure as a businessman there is much about the world political stage the he needs to learn. We need to hope he is a quick learner, and will proceed cautiously.

My point was strictly that Dems will never acknowledge that the Trump/Putin bromance was anti- Trump media bias bs.

Again, an argument that I agree with. At the same time, there are certainly reasons that pretty much all agreed with his decision the other night, to respond.

He may well fall within the limits of other presidents I truly did not like, that certainly helped the US in the long term, where historically their positive moves are shown in a better light. While it doesn't change their character flaws, whatever they may have been, the fact that they did more to benefit is eventually acknowledge by all but those that are dishonest.

[Kathianne]

Abbey you may find this article interesting. Nearly everyone knows where I stood on the last election, but as I said from the beginning, I'd give it time. The decisions of this week give me reasons to keep giving him time:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-syria-attack-doctrine-foreign-policy-theory-214999


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By SUSAN B. GLASSER

April 07, 2017


Is this the week Donald Trump found a foreign policy? Or a foreign policy found him?


President Trump bombed Syria, talked tough on North Korea, dumped his chief political ideologist, Steve Bannon, from his National Security Council, opened up a rift with Russia over the Middle East, and summited with the leaders of Egypt, Jordan and China.


Amid the head-spinning drumbeat of new developments, few doubted that Trump had made what conservative commentator Byron York called a “whiplash-inducing change” in his administration’s foreign policy, by all accounts impulsively jumping into a Syrian quagmire he had long pledged to avoid, and doing so in response to the televised barbarity of a chemical attack just days after his own top advisers publicly declared they were no longer interested in forcing Syrian dictator Bashar Assad from power.


Ever since his shocking election upset victory in November, national security hands have been waiting for Trump’s first international crisis to understand more about how an untested president would lead, and this week will undoubtedly be studied as key to decoding his presidency’s emerging—and fast-evolving—approach to the world. So what have we learned from all the months of debating whether Trump will prove to be the “America First” neo-isolationist leader his campaign rhetoric suggested, or a dangerous warmonger who’s promised not to let the United States get pushed around anymore, now that the crisis has actually erupted?


First and perhaps most important: No matter how Trump ultimately comes out of the foreign-policy ideology test, what he really seems to want to be on the world stage is the not-Obama. And when faced with a choice, the best way to understand what Trump will do is to expect he will opt to differentiate himself as much as possible from his predecessor.


“He’s proved he’s not Obama—and that’s useful to him,” one former senior Obama official told me, one of many veterans of the previous administration I spoke with Friday who were supportive of Trump’s airstrike on Syria.

...

[Kathianne]

I think this is true for many of us:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-clear-majority-of-senators-support-trumps-syria-airstrike/


APR. 7, 2017 AT 3:27 PMMost Senators Support Trump’s Syria AirstrikeBut many have reservations about what comes next.
By Perry Bacon Jr. (https://fivethirtyeight.com/contributors/perry-bacon-jr/)

[Kathianne]

From the above link:


<tbody>

NUMBER OF SENATORS


POSITION ON INITIAL STRIKES
DEMS
GOP
TOTAL


Strong support
1
32
33


Support with qualifications about next steps
29
17
46


No clear position with reservations about next steps
13
2
15


Oppose
5
1
6

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SOURCES: PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND MEDIA REPORTS
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[pete311]

Flights resumed at the airport we struck. Appears the missiles didn't do jack shit.

[Black Diamond]

Flights resumed at the airport we struck. Appears the missiles didn't do jack shit.
What part of "Trump was sending a message" are you failing to grasp?

[Black Diamond]

From the above link:


<tbody>

NUMBER OF SENATORS


POSITION ON INITIAL STRIKES
DEMS
GOP
TOTAL


Strong support
1
32
33


Support with qualifications about next steps
29
17
46


No clear position with reservations about next steps
13
2
15


Oppose
5
1
6

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SOURCES: PUBLIC STATEMENTS AND MEDIA REPORTS
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I'm guessing rand Paul was the oppose.

[Black Diamond]

I'm guessing rand Paul was the oppose.
Yup. I read the link. I was right.

[pete311]

What part of "Trump was sending a message" are you failing to grasp?

Apparently the message didn't work

[Black Diamond]

Apparently the message didn't work
You won't know that until asshat bombs his own people again.

[Black Diamond]

You won't know that until asshat bombs his own people again.
The goal is to make sure he doesn't do that Again. Not so he doesn't use his air fields. At least at this point.

[Gunny]

Apparently the message didn't workTime will tell.

[pete311]

The goal is to make sure he doesn't do that Again. Not so he doesn't use his air fields. At least at this point.
Or what? We'll send more missiles that don't do any damage?

[NightTrain]

Or what? We'll send more missiles that don't do any damage?

Or we'll destroy his entire airforce and all his airfields, this time making them inoperative by cratering the runways which will make the Russians unable to help.

[Black Diamond]

Or we'll destroy his entire airforce and all his airfields, this time making them inoperative by cratering the runways which will make the Russians unable to help.
I think McCain would have done that two nights ago.

[Black Diamond]

Or what? We'll send more missiles that don't do any damage?
Ask Nikki Haley.

[NightTrain]

I think McCain would have done that two nights ago.

That and more, I suspect. Weird that McCain is gung-ho on foreign military ops but totally okay with hordes of aliens actually invading our country... it doesn't jive.

Trump is trying the show of force option first; he can always escalate if the message isn't taken.

[Drummond]

My congratulations to you and the terrorists you keep on supporting!

US airstrike was ‘generous gift’ to Islamic State — Chechen leader

World (http://tass.com/world)
April 08, 7:17 UTC+3 MOSCOW
"The way was cleared for terrorists," Ramzan Kadyrov said.


https://phototass4.cdnvideo.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170408/1165779.jpg
Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov

© Yelena Afonina/TASS

MOSCOW, April 8. /TASS/. The US air strike on a Syrian air force base in Homs became a "generous gift" for terrorists in Syria, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said on his Instagram page.
Read also
https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170407/1165716.jpg (http://tass.com/defense/940037)

Defense Ministry: Militants launch massive attack on Syrian troops after US missile strike (http://tass.com/defense/940037)

"The blood of civilians was spilled by missiles from their (US) warships in a generous gift for the IS (Islamic State terrorist group, outlawed in Russia - TASS). The exhausted army of (Syrian President Bashar) Asad lost up to ten aircraft. The way was cleared for terrorists," Kadyrov said.
However, the Chechen leader said, the West chose to turn a blind eye to this blatant violation of the international law.
"The world does not dare to voice any objection against US actions," he said. "The European Parliament, which reacts to every minor issue in Russia, now holds its tongue."
On an order from US President Donald Trump, the US armed forces fired a total of 59 Tomahawk subsonic cruise missiles at a military airfield in Syria’s Homs Governorate. The deadly strike came as a response for the chemical attack in Idlib on April 4 and targeted what Washington claims was a starting location for the attack.
Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Moscow views the incident as an aggression against a sovereign state.
According to the Russian Defense Ministry’s spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, Syrian militants launched a large-scale offensive on positions held by the Syrian government troops shortly after the strike.

More:
http://tass.com/world/940247

The thing of it is, Balu, that there's been, as yet, NO independent investigation. The nature of the agent used argues strongly for Assad's deployment of it.

You'll never accept so much as the possibility of it. Will you ? But I say, what if Assad definitely DID launch a chemical attack ? That breaches all standards of 'legitimate Government', and that's a massive understatement !!

Brutally gassing CHILDREN with a weapon classified as a WMD ... doesn't that qualify as a terrorist action ??

So, Balu, given that Assad IS responsible .. would that then place you in the position of active TERRORIST SUPPORT ??

In this world, Balu, at least minimal human standards need to be exercised by those wielding power, and certainly nation leaders. Do you accept that principle, or not ? If you do, then there may well come a time when, if you're to be true to that belief, you'll have to give up your blanket support of Assad.

I don't think you will. But ... prove me wrong.

We shall see.

[pete311]

Or we'll destroy his entire airforce and all his airfields, this time making them inoperative by cratering the runways which will make the Russians unable to help.
Do you have a source or is this just something you made up?

[pete311]

My congratulations to you and the terrorists you keep on supporting!


Go back to jailing homosexuals, you got no moral standing

[Black Diamond]

Do you have a source or is this just something you made up?
Actually Nikki Haley did a decent job of explaining. This was a warning shot. May be felt around the world.

the last fragment is my opinion or guess. I don't have a crystal ball

[Gunny]

The thing of it is, Balu, that there's been, as yet, NO independent investigation. The nature of the agent used argues strongly for Assad's deployment of it.

You'll never accept so much as the possibility of it. Will you ? But I say, what if Assad definitely DID launch a chemical attack ? That breaches all standards of 'legitimate Government', and that's a massive understatement !!

Brutally gassing CHILDREN with a weapon classified as a WMD ... doesn't that qualify as a terrorist action ??

So, Balu, given that Assad IS responsible .. would that then place you in the position of active TERRORIST SUPPORT ??

In this world, Balu, at least minimal human standards need to be exercised by those wielding power, and certainly nation leaders. Do you accept that principle, or not ? If you do, then there may well come a time when, if you're to be true to that belief, you'll have to give up your blanket support of Assad.

I don't think you will. But ... prove me wrong.

We shall see.I doubt anyone is going to do anything. I think most of the world is tired of the Middle East and doesn't want to get involved. Personally I know I am tired of it. But they aren't happy over there if they aren't killing someone over something. It's their main industry. They'd to actually get jobs and go to work otherwise.

[NightTrain]

Do you have a source or is this just something you made up?

That's the next logical step, and one that will make Assad lose his Civil War. He's on the ropes now with an active Air Force and the Russians doing everything they can to prop him up short of fighting his ground war themselves.

Remove airforce capabilities and he'll topple without a massive ground force deployment by Putin, neatly putting them in a very expensive and unpopular quagmire for their troubles. At that point I suspect Putin will wash his hands of the whole thing and abandon his puppet dictator.

Yeah, we probably won't like who emerges on top, but we certainly don't like the one who is there now that has demonstrated no qualms of using WMD / Chem Weapons against civilians, no less.

Plus, by eliminating airforce capability, we can establish no-fly safe zones for the Syrians as they're begging for now so that they don't have to become refugees.

[Black Diamond]

That and more, I suspect. Weird that McCain is gung-ho on foreign military ops but totally okay with hordes of aliens actually invading our country... it doesn't jive.

Trump is trying the show of force option first; he can always escalate if the message isn't taken.
I agree wholeheartedly. As a general comment, I feel like if there were ever an antithesis of Obama on American foreign policy, it would be McCain. very aggressive.

[Gunny]

That's the next logical step, and one that will make Assad lose his Civil War. He's on the ropes now with an active Air Force and the Russians doing everything they can to prop him up short of fighting his ground war themselves.

Remove airforce capabilities and he'll topple without a massive ground force deployment by Putin, neatly putting them in a very expensive and unpopular quagmire for their troubles. At that point I suspect Putin will wash his hands of the whole thing and abandon his puppet dictator.

Yeah, we probably won't like who emerges on top, but we certainly don't like the one who is there now that has demonstrated no qualms of using WMD / Chem Weapons against civilians, no less.

Plus, by eliminating airforce capability, we can establish no-fly safe zones for the Syrians as they're begging for now so that they don't have to become refugees.Putin is not going to give up his foothold in the ME .

[Black Diamond]

Putin is not going to give up his foothold in the ME .
Nope he won't. Syria is very strategic.

[NightTrain]

Putin is not going to give up his foothold in the ME .

That's the beauty of it.

Either Putin is going to bring his puppet dictator to heel or he'll abandon the whole thing. Assad is going to play ball.

[Black Diamond]

That's the beauty of it.

Either Putin is going to bring his puppet dictator to heel or he'll abandon the whole thing. Assad is going to play ball.
Heel. :lol:

[Drummond]

Nope he won't. Syria is very strategic.

Also an excellent would-be (if not actual ??) market for under-the-counter WMD sales, I suggest.

I firmly believe that Russia is desperate for whatever revenue it can get to help prop up its economy. Assad and Putin can (and do ?) use each other to mutual advantage. I think this is chiefly why Russia is doing its absolute utmost to keep Assad in place, where he is, and as safe from foreign reprisals as he can possibly be.

[Gunny]

That's the beauty of it.

Either Putin is going to bring his puppet dictator to heel or he'll abandon the whole thing. Assad is going to play ball.He already is playing ball. Putin's fighting his war for him. Syria is strategically important to Russia. It's their foothold in the ME and access to the Med. Probably got a sweet oil deal with Assad too. Not to mention their arms trade.

I'm sure what you mean by "playing ball" if you mean Putin. He is ruthless. Has a total disregard for the rules. A total disregard for life. I doubt seriously he even cares about it.

[NightTrain]

He already is playing ball. Putin's fighting his war for him. Syria is strategically important to Russia. It's their foothold in the ME and access to the Med. Probably got a sweet oil deal with Assad too. Not to mention their arms trade.

I'm sure what you mean by "playing ball" if you mean Putin. He is ruthless. Has a total disregard for the rules. A total disregard for life. I doubt seriously he even cares about it.

I seriously doubt that Putin knew of the Chem Weapons attack or he would have forbade it. That's right under a nuke attack as far as world opinion.

Playing ball as in getting rid of the Nerve Gas like they were supposed to and refraining from indiscriminately killing his own civilian populace.

Russia assured everyone that they had handled it and disposed of it, so I imagine that Assad played Putin for a chump. The only other option is that Putin approved it, and I just don't see that - too many consequences.

[Kathianne]

I seriously doubt that Putin knew of the Chem Weapons attack or he would have forbade it. That's right under a nuke attack as far as world opinion.

Playing ball as in getting rid of the Nerve Gas like they were supposed to and refraining from indiscriminately killing his own civilian populace.

Russia assured everyone that they had handled it and disposed of it, so I imagine that Assad played Putin for a chump. The only other option is that Putin approved it, and I just don't see that - too many consequences.

I hope you're right, but currently that doesn't appear to be the direction this has gone. Considering the number of people and drones the Russians have, to be actually ignorant of the chemicals seems pretty unlikely.

[Gunny]

I seriously doubt that Putin knew of the Chem Weapons attack or he would have forbade it. That's right under a nuke attack as far as world opinion.

Playing ball as in getting rid of the Nerve Gas like they were supposed to and refraining from indiscriminately killing his own civilian populace.

Russia assured everyone that they had handled it and disposed of it, so I imagine that Assad played Putin for a chump. The only other option is that Putin approved it, and I just don't see that - too many consequences.I doubt Putin approved it; Like you said ... too many consequences. On the other hand, Putin doesn't seem too concerned about World opinion. So who knows?

Judging from all those propaganda pics balu posts, Putin SHOULD be worried. That 1980s arsenal he's sporting might work in the 3rd World, but ....:laugh:

[NightTrain]

I hope you're right, but currently that doesn't appear to be the direction this has gone. Considering the number of people and drones the Russians have, to be actually ignorant of the chemicals seems pretty unlikely.


I doubt Putin approved it; Like you said ... too many consequences. On the other hand, Putin doesn't seem too concerned about World opinion. So who knows?

Judging from all those propaganda pics balu posts, Putin SHOULD be worried. That 1980s arsenal he's sporting might work in the 3rd World, but ....:laugh:

There are many other economic punishments that can be put into play with the knowledge that Putin is comfy with WMD usage... what he's got going on now is an uncomfortable squeeze, and it can be ratcheted up to crippling levels in short order.

I guess we'll see how this shakes out. My money is on Putin blinking first and reigning in his mad dog.

[Kathianne]

There are many other economic punishments that can be put into play with the knowledge that Putin is comfy with WMD usage... what he's got going on now is an uncomfortable squeeze, and it can be ratcheted up to crippling levels in short order.

I guess we'll see how this shakes out. My money is on Putin blinking first and reigning in his mad dog.

Again, I hope you're right. Here's something that does give Putin a bit of coverage in the same vein. (Don't let the title fool, it agrees in part with what you've said):

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russia-has-backed-itself-into-a-corner-in-syria-57673

[NightTrain]

Again, I hope you're right. Here's something that does give Putin a bit of coverage in the same vein. (Don't let the title fool, it agrees in part with what you've said):

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russia-has-backed-itself-into-a-corner-in-syria-57673

That's a pretty good article, and I'm surprised to see them speak so plainly... perhaps Putin doesn't have a total grip on the Russian media after all.

[Black Diamond]

That's a pretty good article, and I'm surprised to see them speak so plainly... perhaps Putin doesn't have a total grip on the Russian media after all.
As brainwashed as Balu is, you would think a Russian Goebbels were running the media.

[Kathianne]

That's a pretty good article, and I'm surprised to see them speak so plainly... perhaps Putin doesn't have a total grip on the Russian media after all.

I looked it up on Wiki, it's a free, English paper. I too was surprised that it's allowed. Sort of like the "Reader" in Chicago?

[jimnyc]

BS.

Show me where this was unconstitutional.

without me having to go and read every post - has anyone replied to this one yet?

[Black Diamond]

without me having to go and read every post - has anyone replied to this one yet?
Rand Paul and his dad will help. :rolleyes:

[Balu]

The goal is to make sure he doesn't do that Again. Not so he doesn't use his air fields. At least at this point.
The point is to obtain the proofs he DID it before. These proofs are not available yet and your and anybody else unfounded accusations can not be considered as evidence. Or you've forgotten?

http://ru-an.info/Photo/QNews/n4180/1.jpg

[Black Diamond]

The point is to obtain the proofs he DID it before. These proofs are not available yet and your (and anybody else unfounded accusations can not be considered as evidence.
Yeah. So you, Ron Paul, and Putin are on the same team. Oliver stone would love you three fucksticks. The three of you should help him with his next film.

[Gunny]

Yeah. So you, Ron Paul, and Putin are on the same team. Oliver stone would love you three fucksticks. The three of you should help him with his next film.Y'know jimnyc you let clownbob put us on ignore if his whiney little hiney gets served ...

I think it only fair you take away his ability to post stupid propaganda pics. He's a total waste of thread space.

[Balu]

Yeah. So you, Ron Paul, and Putin are on the same team. Oliver stone would love you three fucksticks. The three of you should help him with his next film.
I am not a film producer. But you should now that all Russian servicemen active, retired and in reserve are aware of the damaging factors and types of all types of chemical, bacteriological and nuclear weapons and their exposure. The preliminary knowledge of this is given in our secondary schools.

[Gunny]

I am not a film producer. But you should now that all Russian servicemen active, retired and in reserve are aware of the damaging factors and types of all types of chemical, bacteriological and nuclear weapons and their exposure. The preliminary knowledge of this is given in our secondary schools.And STILL haven't figured out you're a weak little pussy? The kind that runs awy when his ass gets served. Well, aren't YOU the genius.

[Balu]

Yeah. So you, Ron Paul, and Putin are on the same team. Oliver stone would love you three fucksticks. The three of you should help him with his next film.
I am glad that the Kremlin vision of the situation corresponds to mine and there are no contradictions here. It means that I made a proper choice when voting for Putin and his team. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/light_skin/boast.gif So, there is a big chance that I'll vote for him again in 2018.

MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Russia considers it illogical to accuse anyone of chemical weapons use without a probe, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Friday.
"It is necessary to look jointly for the answers to these questions but this is at least illogical to make hasty conclusions without having any information, any data and without conducting an investigation," Peskov said in reply to a question about whether Moscow admitted that chemical agents could have appeared in Idlib over the Syrian army’s mistake.


More:
http://tass.com/politics/940032

[Black Diamond]

And STILL haven't figured out you're a weak little pussy? The kind that runs awy when his ass gets served. Well, aren't YOU the genius.
The pussy faggot still has you on ignore.

[Drummond]

There are many other economic punishments that can be put into play with the knowledge that Putin is comfy with WMD usage... what he's got going on now is an uncomfortable squeeze, and it can be ratcheted up to crippling levels in short order.

I guess we'll see how this shakes out. My money is on Putin blinking first and reigning in his mad dog.

On that last point, I think I disagree.

I think you're seriously underestimating Russian arrogance. On the one hand, they want the world to swallow their version of events, and will move to persuade people of it. But on the other .. I think the arrogance which permeates the higher echelons of the Russian Government will just say to everyone, 'We've given you the version you're required to believe. We insist it's the truth. You reject it? Too bad ... we'll just continue on, regardless, as we please, and our moves to stop a UN investigation shows you how far we will go to stop you from making Assad answerable to you'.

I think a lot of this has to do with Assad's regime being a 'captive market' for Russian weaponry. The more Assad uses, the more he'll order from Russia to replenish his stocks. Russia runs a Mickey Mouse economy, not only dysfunctionally, but also with the weight it's had to bear from sanctions, post-Crimea. The more regimes like Assad's pay for Russian weapons, the happier they'll be. Putin will only be interested in 'reining in his mad dog' if he considers he has more to lose by not doing so.

Trump MIGHT have given him something to think about. Then again, I doubt it ... again, he is probably too arrogant to care.

[Drummond]

I am glad that the Kremlin vision of the situation corresponds to mine and there are no contradictions here. It means that I made a proper choice when voting for Putin and his team. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/light_skin/boast.gif So, there is a big chance that I'll vote for him again in 2018.

MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Russia considers it illogical to accuse anyone of chemical weapons use without a probe, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Friday.
"It is necessary to look jointly for the answers to these questions but this is at least illogical to make hasty conclusions without having any information, any data and without conducting an investigation," Peskov said in reply to a question about whether Moscow admitted that chemical agents could have appeared in Idlib over the Syrian army’s mistake.


More:
http://tass.com/politics/940032

To be clear, then, Balu ... any moves made from your side to quash efforts at an investigation, are efforts you DO NOT support ??

[Balu]

The pussy faggot still has you on ignore.
You see, I keep this sarge standing at the closed door of my "wardroom" where he is not allowed to enter, according to Naval Charter he used to. For me this is a due place for those who keep on behaving as a sarge on a grill ground. And now you will join him. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif

[Gunny]

You see, I keep this sarge standing at the closed door of my "wardroom" where he is not allowed to enter, according to Naval Charter he used to. For me this is a due place for those who keep on behaving as a sarge on a grill ground. And now you will join him. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gifEveryone else is still reading. fucktard. Some military genius you are. I'll ignore the enemy and pretend he isn't there. The Emperor's New Clothes. I'm going to do a little checking. Out of a dozen posters you have half on ignore and are pissing off the rest.

I haven't banned anyone in a decade, but to quote Goldberg ... "You're Next".

We like contributions from members. Always welcome. You contribute nothing and don't know jackass shit about the military. All you are is talk and pics. Nothing but a one way mouthpiece. And what kind of balls does it take to have 8 of 12 regular posters on ignore? Some fucking "warrior". You don't know jackass shit and won't come out and fight. I'm fucking impressed. Now fuck around some more because I don't see you as an asset to this board. I've got ZERO problem making you go away. You can't stand up to anyone that'll hand your balls. You're a total kissass fucknut that doesn't know shit. Worse. you pissed off my little chicky-poo and made her cuss.

If there's anyone left on this board pussyboy doesn't have on ignore feel free to quote me so Mr Commie gets the message.

[Kathianne]

Everyone else is still reading. fucktard. Some military genius you are. I'll ignore the enemy and pretend he isn't there. The Emperor's New Clothes. I'm going to do a little checking. Out of a dozen posters you have half on ignore and are pissing off the rest.

I haven't banned anyone in a decade, but to quote Goldberg ... "You're Next".

We like contributions from members. Always welcome. You contribute nothing and don't know jackass shit about the military. All you are is talk and pics. Nothing but a one way mouthpiece. And what kind of balls does it take to have 8 of 12 regular posters on ignore? Some fucking "warrior". You don't know jackass shit and won't come out and fight. I'm fucking impressed. Now fuck around some more because I don't see you as an asset to this board. I've got ZERO problem making you go away. You can't stand up to anyone that'll hand your balls. You're a total kissass fucknut that doesn't know shit. Worse. you pissed off my little chicky-poo and made her cuss.

If there's anyone left on this board pussyboy doesn't have on ignore feel free to quote me so Mr Commie gets the message.

:laugh2:

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah14yOHWrGY

[revelarts]

without me having to go and read every post - has anyone replied to this one yet?


Rand Paul and his dad will help. :rolleyes:

Since it's a joke.
I have to ask would either of you seriously care if it was unconstitutional?

And do you think that Obama was unconstitutional in his Libyan intervention?

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[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah14yOHWrGY
3:56..

... in accordance with the deconfliction agreement we have with Russia that they (Syria) hit a warehouse that they intended to hit and had told both sides, russia and the united states, that they were going to hit this, the a syrian air force of course, and this warehouse was alleged to have Isis supplies in it and indeed it probably did and some of those supplies were precursors for chemicals or possibly an alternative they were phosphates for the cotton growing fertilizing the cotton region that's adjacent to this area and the bombs hit, conventional bombs hit, the warehouse and because of a very strong wind and because of the explosive power of the bombs they dispersed these ingredients and killed some people and incidentally as Paul Pillar pointed out in a good article that I just read we have killed more people incidentally to our strikes and Assad has a number of ways.. that they were killed in this incident and Assad has a number of ways, including his artillery which by the way a no-fly zone would not stop of killing people and killing people in much greater numbers than this is he has demonstrated over the past years so this is this is nonsense to call this the kind of provocation of what we did for what we did unless one considers the rationale but I just suggested ....

.... I agree with the Russian ambassador that it would be good if we had an internationally sponsored hosted UN for example investigation and the forensic team that would accompany that but I don't think we're going to get that. And by and large I would think that the people who perpetrated this, shall we say hoax, would have the area cleaned up as much as possible before such a team got there so I'm not sure that would do anything. As i said in the in the bigger scheme of things Paul we kill more people with our airstrikes 'incidental collateral damage' if you will and we did in Mosul recently. yeah and besides Assad has killed tens of thousands of people with his barrel bombs and his artillery and so forth so this is really not that significant an incident and that and yet look what we did Paul we made it a 'Tonkin Gulf' we made it an 'Iraq WMD' so that we could make our strike we had no concern with whether it was a genuine provocation or not we just wanted something on which we could base our strike and we got it..."

[Gunny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah14yOHWrGYAre you on Jupiter 2 again? WTF? I got a target and acquisition. Your 17 century idealism doesn't apply and you cannot diffuse me. Thand get some.,,is fucker has pissed off me and insulted my friends. He's insulted us and our Nation. You want the Gunny, you get the fucking Gunny.

I want asshole to come in here and get some. Oh, but tough Mr Commie can't do THAT. But he's a pussy and can't stand in battle. He runs. Now ask yourself this ... why come here? DP is a major threat to world policy? I feel all important. My guess would be he's been banned from everywhere else.

[Balu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah14yOHWrGY
Kate would say that he is a paid Kremlin agent distributing Russian bullshit propaganda. But it is a kind of a joke.
In any case thank you for this clip. It was interesting for me to listen to comments of a profi. :slap:

[Black Diamond]

Kate would say that he is a paid Kremlin agent distributing Russian bullshit propaganda. But it is a kind of a joke.
In any case thank you for this clip. It was interesting for me to listen to comments of a profi. :slap:
No this is Ron Paul style batshit crazy conspiracy theory bullshit.

[Black Diamond]

Since it's a joke.
I have to ask would either of you seriously care if it was unconstitutional?

And do you think that Obama was unconstitutional in his Libyan intervention?

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Trump is constitutional re Syria. Obama was constitutional in Libya, Clinton in Kosovo, Reagan in Libya.

[Black Diamond]

Are you on Jupiter 2 again? WTF? I got a target and acquisition. Your 17 century idealism doesn't apply and you cannot diffuse me. Thand get some.,,is fucker has pissed off me and insulted my friends. He's insulted us and our Nation. You want the Gunny, you get the fucking Gunny.

I want asshole to come in here and get some. Oh, but tough Mr Commie can't do THAT. But he's a pussy and can't stand in battle. He runs. Now ask yourself this ... why come here? DP is a major threat to world policy? I feel all important. My guess would be he's been banned from everywhere else.
Maybe Putin is like Balu. Will run and hide when confronted with strength.

[Black Diamond]

You see, I keep this sarge standing at the closed door of my "wardroom" where he is not allowed to enter, according to Naval Charter he used to. For me this is a due place for those who keep on behaving as a sarge on a grill ground. And now you will join him. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif
In other words you're a pussy.

[Gunny]

Trump is constitutional re Syria. Obama was constitutional in Libya, Clinton in Kosovo, Reagan in Libya.Why is rev trying to derail my derailment? I want this pissant balu to come out and man the fuck up. This ain;t your personal sounding board bitch. And everyone sees you for what you are. A pussy. You talk all this war and tough guy shit and won't stand and fight. Real fucking warrior you got going on there. Did your mommy have any kids that lived? Best part of you ran down her leg.

You insulted my my friends and constantly insult my country. Instead of running and hiding, bring your shit bitch. One on one. Me and you. Got a forum for it.

Oh but wait, I'm sorry. My pussy Commie ass can't fight nor stand. It might break my ass -- something you'd know nothing about-- but I'm going to take way your ignore function. You pissed off the wrong motherfucker. And since you added Black diamond to your list? Enjoy your beat down.

Don't fuck with my lil sis. We may fight like cats n dogs but at the end of the day? My lil sis.

Ask a few people. Don't piss me the fuck off.

[Balu]

Wanting conclusive evidence before bombing commences is vilified as sympathy with and support for the foreign villain. - Continue

(http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46824.htm)http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46824.htm

(http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46824.htm) By Glenn Greenwald
April 08, 2017
(http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46824.htm)

[Black Diamond]

Wanting conclusive evidence before bombing commences is vilified as sympathy with and support for the foreign villain. - Continue

(http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46824.htm)http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46824.htm

(http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46824.htm) By Glenn Greenwald
April 08, 2017
(http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46824.htm)
It would be a real tragedy if all your horseshit wound up in the conspiracy bin.

[NightTrain]

Since it's a joke.
I have to ask would either of you seriously care if it was unconstitutional?

And do you think that Obama was unconstitutional in his Libyan intervention?

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No, you said it was unconstitutional. No need to deflect to anyone else; we're talking specifically about Trump beating up Syria's air base with 59 Tomahawks.

Show me.

[sear]

#237

I'm not asserting either side of the war powers debate here.
But I acknowledge that it is a debate that's familiar to me.

The argument you seek is found in ARTICLE 1. SECTION 8 - 11
the Constitutional authority "To declare War". It is congress, and not the president that has this authority.

[NightTrain]

#237

I'm not asserting either side of the war powers debate here.
But I acknowledge that it is a debate that's familiar to me.

The argument you seek is found in ARTICLE 1. SECTION 8 - 11
the Constitutional authority "To declare War". It is congress, and not the president that has this authority.

No one declared war.

Next.

[sear]

"Next." NT #239

"Next" is:

BUT !!

Trump WAGED war, WITHOUT a formal declaration of war.

Not much of a fuss about it, because the federal government leadership is all Republicans. So they're not going to rat themselves out.

But it does renew the as yet unresolved war-powers debate* yet once again.

"Next."

* Some believed The War Powers Act would help address it. Obviously, not adequately, and so the debate continues.

[NightTrain]

"Next." NT #239

"Next" is:

BUT !!

Trump WAGED war, WITHOUT a formal declaration of war.

Not much of a fuss about it, because the federal government leadership is all Republicans. So they're not going to rat themselves out.

But it does renew the as yet unresolved war-powers debate* yet once again.

"Next."

* Some believed The War Powers Act would help address it. Obviously, not adequately, and so the debate continues.

Do you not understand the difference between a surgical strike and a formal declaration of war?

Do you not understand the powers granted to the President to carry out such military actions as he deems necessary?

This is stuff I learned in grade school.

However, I am willing to educate you - but only if you promise to take the lessons to heart and truly absorb them. You're not the first liberal I've educated, and certainly not the last.

[Black Diamond]

Do you not understand the difference between a surgical strike and a formal declaration of war?

Do you not understand the powers granted to the President to carry out such military actions as he deems necessary?

This is stuff I learned in grade school.

However, I am willing to educate you - but only if you promise to take the lessons to heart and truly absorb them. You're not the first liberal I've educated, and certainly not the last.
I didn't think they could be educated. Any progress you make would be appreciated. :)

[Abbey Marie]

My guess is that "diplomatically" we have sent word to Assad that if he tries to use chemical weapons again, we will assassinate him. I know this isn't a popular opinion here, but I would rather see him reined in hard, US-style, than outright deposed. As horrid and evil as he is (much like Saddam Hussein), I just don't want to see another Iraq happen, nor do I want to see ISIS fill a power void there too.

ETA: Speaking of Iraq, does anyone think Assad could be using the very weapons that disappeared from Iraq?

[ruslanbag43]

Using Chemical Weapons in any case is illegal and wrong on every level, let alone the fact that it was used on civilians.

Remove the Chem Warfare and this wouldn't have been done - Assad was testing Trump to see if he was a pussy like 0bama was.

I think he's got the picture, now... and it sent a message to other ruthless despots.

You are not yourself visited the idea that it is illogical for Assad to use chemical weapons? Why would he?
Don't tell me - he's a tyrant...

Assad's use of chemical weapons, it's suicide as a conscious policy.

[ruslanbag43]

My guess is that "diplomatically" we have sent word to Assad that if he tries to use chemical weapons again, we will assassinate him. I know this isn't a popular opinion here, but I would rather see him reined in hard, US-style, than outright deposed. As horrid and evil as he is (much like Saddam Hussein), I just don't want to see another Iraq happen, nor do I want to see ISIS fill a power void there too.

ETA: Speaking of Iraq, does anyone think Assad could be using the very weapons that disappeared from Iraq?

You would place the Assad would use chemical weapons? Well, to specifically authorize themselves against the Hague Tribunal?

Why nobody questions that it is unnatural to Assad to use chemical weapons?

[Black Diamond]

You are not yourself visited the idea that it is illogical for Assad to use chemical weapons? Why would he?
Don't tell me - he's a tyrant...

Assad's use of chemical weapons, it's suicide as a conscious policy.
These dictators don't always act rationally.

[Abbey Marie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah14yOHWrGY


So, all this happened because they bombed a warehouse that happened to contain materials to make chemical weapons. And this conspiracy theorist, who when questioned about there being zero evidence of the so-called warehouse, dismisses that with "oh it's just typical speculation".

But his outrageous claims are somehow not speculation. Yeah, suuuuure.

[NightTrain]

You are not yourself visited the idea that it is illogical for Assad to use chemical weapons?


I agree that it wasn't a wise move.

I suspect he did due to a statement being made by our government that Assad's removal wasn't on the table and we were going to try to work with him - which he took as a cart blanche to do whatever he wanted.

Big mistake.


Why would he? Don't tell me - he's a tyrant...

Assad's use of chemical weapons, it's suicide as a conscious policy.

Why did he use them so many times before?

[Black Diamond]

Assad's use of chemical weapons, it's suicide as a conscious policy.

I agree that it wasn't a wise move.

I suspect he did due to a statement being made by our government that Assad's removal wasn't on the table and we were going to try to work with him - which he took as a cart blanche to do whatever he wanted.

Big mistake.



Why did he use them so many times before?[/QUOTE]
Ron Paul claims there is no proof Assad ever used chemical weapons.

[Abbey Marie]

I agree that it wasn't a wise move.

I suspect he did due to a statement being made by our government that Assad's removal wasn't on the table and we were going to try to work with him - which he took as a cart blanche to do whatever he wanted.

Big mistake.



Why did he use them so many times before?


A wise person once said, "Do not mistake kindness for weakness". Well, unless Obama is in charge.

:laugh2: