More Chemical Weapon Use In Syria

[Kathianne]

Why is this reminding me of the prior administration?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39488539

https://twitter.com/Sophiemcneill

[sear]

Don't know.

But Obama mentioned a red line, and then in cooperation with Secretary Kerry and Vlad Putin reportedly purged Syria of the chemical WMD in inventory there.

So either Obama got snookered.

Or Syria got re-supplied.


Syria gas attack reportedly kills dozens, including children (http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/middleeast/idlib-syria-attack/)

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(CNN) Dozens of people, including at least ten children, have been killed and more than 200 injured in a suspected chemical attack in northern Syria, multiple activist groups said.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Let me know when there is irrefutable proof that they (the muslim terrorist scum) didnt do this for propaganda purposes!
WHY DOES-KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN , RING A BELL??
Because it is what they(muslim terrorists) do to further their cause, the advancement of Islam..The previous accusation against government forces using chem weapons was false and this one is false as well.
Simple logic, kill a few women and children, gain worldwide hostility, why would Assad or the Russians do such--when it can only help their enemies--the muslim terrorists?

But hey, lets just go with the media spill (propaganda)., that they group it helps the most didnt do it!!!!!
THAT THE GROU PIT HURTS THE MOST DID IT!!!!!

I was smarter than that by age 10.....Tyr

[pete311]

Let me know when there is irrefutable proof that they (the muslim terrorist scum) didnt do this for propaganda purposes!
WHY DOES-KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN , RING A BELL??
Because it is what they(muslim terrorists) do to further their cause, the advancement of Islam..The previous accusation against government forces using chem weapons was false and this one is false as well.
Simple logic, kill a few women and children, gain worldwide hostility, why would Assad or the Russians do such--when it can only help their enemies--the muslim terrorists?

But hey, lets just go with the media spill (propaganda)., that they group it helps the most didnt do it!!!!!
THAT THE GROU PIT HURTS THE MOST DID IT!!!!!

I was smarter than that by age 10.....Tyr

Don't forget your tin hat

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Don't forget your tin hat

Ok, will do--if you remember to floss after you flush your favorite feces meals, Hoss..;)--TYR

[jimnyc]

What IF the USA were to do more as a result of this? Will liberals be OK with that? Especially all of those that said for years that we shouldn't be involved in other wars unless it's an imminent threat to us? If Trump takes any action, folks will complain. If Trump continues as he has been, folks will complain.

If me? That's different, just nuke the fuckers.

[Balu]

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BEIRUT, LEBANON (12:30 P.M.) – The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) struck a jihadist gas factory in the Idlib Governorate town of Khan Sheikhoun today.
In addition to Murtada’s claim, Syrian Arab Army soldiers in northern Hama denied the use of chemicals weapons today, despite allegations by opposition activists regarding a sarin gas attack.
According to the pro-opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), at least 35 civilians were killed by this alleged sarin gas attack.
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The Syrian National Council has called on the United Nations to immediately investigate this attack.
Correction: Hussein Murtada claimed explosives filled with chemical substances by jihadist rebels prematurely exploded in Khan Sheikhoun earlier today.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-strikes-jihadist-gas-depot-southern-idlib-report/

[Gunny]

Sorry. No comprende. What the Hell is wrong with these people?

[aboutime]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/09/06/president-obama-and-the-red-line-on-syrias-chemical-weapons/?utm_term=.535f99244e37

http://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/files/2013/09/EU_Obama_Sweden-07d78_image_982w.jpg&w=1484

[Elessar]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/09/06/president-obama-and-the-red-line-on-syrias-chemical-weapons/?utm_term=.535f99244e37



Oh Yeah. How many times did he draw that line? But ended up ignoring things there.

[aboutime]

Oh Yeah. How many times did he draw that line? But ended up ignoring things there.


We all had to learn the HARD WAY. Obama, and Hillary had fun drawing RED LINES since they were such great liars....they did all of those things 'tongue-in-cheek', and the Obama-ites bought it HOOK LINE & SINKER.....as they are still doing today.

[Elessar]

We all had to learn the HARD WAY. Obama, and Hillary had fun drawing RED LINES since they were such great liars....they did all of those things 'tongue-in-cheek', and the Obama-ites bought it HOOK LINE & SINKER.....as they are still doing today.

It falls in the same vein as the "Shovel Ready Jobs" that never did transpire.

Snake oil salesman...and liberals ate it up, too.

[gabosaurus]

Obama is no longer president. The Syrian government obtains its chemical weapons from the Russians. Why is the Trump administration doing nothing to stop this? Well, other than bombing mosques and killing civilians.

[Gunny]

Obama is no longer president. The Syrian government obtains its chemical weapons from the Russians. Why is the Trump administration doing nothing to stop this? Well, other than bombing mosques and killing civilians.Neither is Bush. Might want to mention that.

[aboutime]

Obama is no longer president. The Syrian government obtains its chemical weapons from the Russians. Why is the Trump administration doing nothing to stop this? Well, other than bombing mosques and killing civilians.


gabby is the new EXCUSE KING here. Just like every other liberal during Obama's destruction of America...YOU always have an EXCUSE, or can BLAME somebody else for your STUPIDITY.
But gabby. Seems like YOU are the one who believes your stupidity is better.

[gabosaurus]

Neither is Bush. Might want to mention that.

Where in this thread did I mention Bush? The Syrian government gets all of its weapons from Russian. They don't worry about the U.S. They use the weapons them to kill their own people. Trump does nothing because he doesn't want to annoy the Russian. Civilian deaths are of no interest to Trump.

[aboutime]

Where in this thread did I mention Bush? The Syrian government gets all of its weapons from Russian. They don't worry about the U.S. They use the weapons them to kill their own people. Trump does nothing because he doesn't want to annoy the Russian. Civilian deaths are of no interest to Trump.



gabby. Do you have BROWN EYES? It sounds like you are so FULL OF SHIT, you have to keep your mouth closed to keep the flies out.
Your desperate attempts at LYING are really paying off for you. You lie, like most people breath....every chance you get. And you are proud of it. Your Liberal Hatred Exposes your stupidity again.

Why didn't you say anything about OBAMA doing nothing except using a RED, Magic Marker as he lied for 8 years?

[sear]

"The Syrian government gets all of its weapons from Russian."

I suspect a re-supply. Russia's an obvious candidate, but there are a few others.
Early reports are that it's nerve-agent.

But before the Assad / Kerry / Putin purge, Assad was using simpler chemicals.
I don't know Assad well. But I doubt he'd use the soft stuff then, and switch to the hard stuff now.

Re-supply does seem to be the obvious explanation.

But if not Russia, who?

[Elessar]

"The Syrian government gets all of its weapons from Russian."

I suspect a re-supply. Russia's an obvious candidate, but there are a few others.
Early reports are that it's nerve-agent.

But before the Assad / Kerry / Putin purge, Assad was using simpler chemicals.
I don't know Assad well. But I doubt he'd use the soft stuff then, and switch to the hard stuff now.

Re-supply does seem to be the obvious explanation.

But if not Russia, who?

Something tells me Iran...don't know why...it just does.

[Gunny]

Where in this thread did I mention Bush? The Syrian government gets all of its weapons from Russian. They don't worry about the U.S. They use the weapons them to kill their own people. Trump does nothing because he doesn't want to annoy the Russian. Civilian deaths are of no interest to Trump.So what answer are you looking for? The weapons get sold and idiots use them. What is Trump supposed to do? Ban illegal weapons in foreign countries? There's a plan. Obama didn't do jack ass sh*t to stop it. Matter of fact last I checked. Obama sent his stooge in to deal with devil. Where was YOUR president? Oh yeah ..Baltimore.

[sear]

"Something tells me Iran...don't know why...it just does." E #19

That is what I was hinting at.
So what was the nerve agent? NBC-TV's Richard Engel suggests it may be Sarin. Whether Iran has Sarin, I don't know for sure. But Iran might have gotten Sarin from Russia. So Assad may have gotten it directly or indirectly from Russia / Putin.

The obvious question now is, what's Trump going to do about it.

Obama drew a "red line", and took Assad's chemicals away for disposal / destruction. Are Trump's onions as big as Obama's?

We'll sea.

[Kathianne]

I don't usually go to Wiki, but in this case seems ok. Wasn't exactly Obama and certainly wasn't any type of destruction of Syria's chemical weapons arsenal. All Obama did was make threats, then turn it all over to Russia via UN.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Syria%27s_chemical_weapons

[sear]

"Wasn't exactly Obama and certainly wasn't any type of destruction of Syria's chemical weapons arsenal. All Obama did was make threats, then turn it all over to Russia via UN." K #22

You make a persuasive argument for avoiding Wiki as a source of fact.

a) Obama declared his "red line" for Assad and chemical weapons. Obama was excoriated for it.

b) Then Secretary Kerry, Assad, and Putin made arrangements for Assad to surrender his materials.

c) I don't remember vividly, but iirc it was the U.S. vessel MV Cape Ray (T-AKR 9679) that destroyed the chemicals while operating in the Mediterranean.

"Wasn't exactly Obama and certainly wasn't any type of destruction of Syria's chemical weapons arsenal." K #22 http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9827&stc=1

What more accurate description would you prefer? "Weenie roast"?

[Drummond]

Obama is no longer president. The Syrian government obtains its chemical weapons from the Russians. Why is the Trump administration doing nothing to stop this? Well, other than bombing mosques and killing civilians.

Obama is no longer President, yes. But when he WAS, he persistently failed to meet the degree of responsibility for remedial action which his 'red lines' should've mandated him to act upon.

This was so painfully obvious that even the Obama-friendly BBC reported on his failure, too !!

As for Trump ... just what are you expecting ? That he issue a retaliatory order, instantly ? What timeframe have you given him to act, Gabby ?

[And if he did, and does ... well, it's a funny thing. I somehow expect you'll react against it .....]

You of all people have no room to preach, it seems to me. I'm unaware of any criticism of Obama from you, when his inaction occurred. Yet, where Trump is concerned, you very literally want and expect 'action this day' ...

[Kathianne]

"Wasn't exactly Obama and certainly wasn't any type of destruction of Syria's chemical weapons arsenal. All Obama did was make threats, then turn it all over to Russia via UN." K #22

You make a persuasive argument for avoiding Wiki as a source of fact.

a) Obama declared his "red line" for Assad and chemical weapons. Obama was excoriated for it.

b) Then Secretary Kerry, Assad, and Putin made arrangements for Assad to surrender his materials.

c) I don't remember vividly, but iirc it was the U.S. vessel MV Cape Ray (T-AKR 9679) that destroyed the chemicals while operating in the Mediterranean.

"Wasn't exactly Obama and certainly wasn't any type of destruction of Syria's chemical weapons arsenal." K #22 http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9827&stc=1

What more accurate description would you prefer? "Weenie roast"?


They did not get 'all', 'most' of those weapons. Yes, it was contained in the Wiki article, along with citations. But, feel free to scoff, your opinion matters less than a bit to me.

[sear]

One of two things is true.

Either Assad had the "Sarin" used this week, since before the Kerry / Assad / Putin house-cleaning, and he hid them until now.

Or Assad got cleaned out, and has since been re-supplied.

Pick one.

[Kathianne]

One of two things is true.

Either Assad had the "Sarin" used this week, since before the Kerry / Assad / Putin house-cleaning, and he hid them until now.

Or Assad got cleaned out, and has since been re-supplied.

Pick one.

Actually he could have kept chemical weapons, while what he used could be new or old-but obviously not so old as to have lost potency.

Then again, could have been Russia, also dropping ordnance that used the chemicals in response to being 'hit' and ISIS celebrations.

Time will tell.

[Gunny]

Where in this thread did I mention Bush? The Syrian government gets all of its weapons from Russian. They don't worry about the U.S. They use the weapons them to kill their own people. Trump does nothing because he doesn't want to annoy the Russian. Civilian deaths are of no interest to Trump.So what exactly is Trump supposed to do? Invade Russia? Syria? You're blaming him for a problems that's been in the ME since forever. Ain't nobody going to fix that place.

What we CAN do is contain it. That is all history has ever been able to do. They're not going to stop. They never have. Not sure what part of Jeopardy buy a clue the left doesn't get here.

Instead you supported an asshat that basically let them run amuck. Way to go. Any more brilliant ideas? Oh ... I know ... let's let Russia control the region.
Not to mention the pussy deal with Iran.

[Balu]

A chemical weapons manufacturing workshop in Aleppo was filmed on video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnXRapdPOYI

The ammunition used by the militants during the chemical attack on the Hafez Assad Military Technical Academy in Aleppo was probably manufactured at that factory, a source in the Syrian army said.
He noted that the components of chemical weapons were delivered to Syria from the United States, and ammunition was assembled on site.
Earlier, the official representative of the Syrian national authority for the implementation of the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Samar Abbas, presented to the commission of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons evidence of the use of banned chemical agents by militants.
The experts of the Ministry of Defense of Russia also confirmed the use of banned ammunition stuffed with chlorine and white phosphorus by terrorist groups. :laugh:

[Balu]

Syrian aviation airstrike in Idlib targeted chemical arms lab — Russian Defense MinistryWorld (http://tass.com/world)
April 05, 3:41 UTC+3 MOSCOW
From this major arsenal, chemical-laden projectiles were delivered by militants to Iraq



https://cdn2.tass.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170405/1165403.jpg
Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov© Sergei Bobylyov/Russian Defense Ministry's press service/TASS

MOSCOW, April 5. /TASS/. A Syrian aviation airstrike on the eastern outskirts of Khan Sheikhun on Tuesday targeted workshops to produce chemical-laden projectiles, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry said Wednesday.
"According to Russian airspace monitoring systems, yesterday between 11.30 and 12.30 local time the Syrian aviation carried out an airstrike on the eastern outskirts of Khan Sheikhun, targeting a major ammunition storage facility of terrorists and a cluster of military hardware. The territory of this storage facility housed workshops to produce projectiles stuffed with toxic agents," Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

Read also
Syrian Defense Ministry blames Idlib chemical attacks on terrorists (http://tass.com/world/939397)
Syrian government troops destroy terrorists’ chemical weapons depot in Idlib — media (http://tass.com/world/939351)
Russian Defense Ministry denies conducting air strikes in Syria’s Idlib (http://tass.com/politics/939301)
Syrian army dismisses charges of chemical weapons use in Idlib (http://tass.com/world/939271)





"From this major arsenal, chemical-laden weapons were delivered by militants to Iraq. Their use by terrorists was confirmed on numerous occasions by international organizations and official authorities of the country," he said.

The spokesman added that these projectiles were similar to those used by militants in Syria’s Aleppo, where their use was recorded by Russian military specialists.

"Video footage from social networks shows that those affected in Khan Sheikhun demonstrate the same symptoms of poisoning as the victims of the Aleppo attack had last fall," he added.
The official said that Russia has handed over all information about the incident to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which "still studies them."
"We assure that this information is completely unbiased and true," he added.
Earlier on Tuesday, Reuters reported, citing the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, that an airstrike by either Syrian or Russian air forces in the Idlib province left 58 people dead, including 11 children. The agency said that the strike was probably carried out by Syria’s government troops, who used an unknown "toxic gas."
The Russian Defense Ministry has immediately rejected the information as "fake," adding that none of its planes performed airstrikes on Khan Sheikhun and its outskirts.
Syria’s Defense Ministry blamed the attack on terrorists and their supporters and rejected any use of toxic agents in Khan Sheikhun. The country’s Foreign Ministry said the accusations against Damascus were "fabricated." Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad in an interview with the Al-Mayadeen radio said the government warned about the possibility of a similar attack several weeks ago.




More:
http://tass.com/world/939417

[Gunny]

A chemical weapons manufacturing workshop in Aleppo was filmed on video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnXRapdPOYI

The ammunition used by the militants during the chemical attack on the Hafez Assad Military Technical Academy in Aleppo was probably manufactured at that factory, a source in the Syrian army said.
He noted that the components of chemical weapons were delivered to Syria from the United States, and ammunition was assembled on site.
Earlier, the official representative of the Syrian national authority for the implementation of the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Samar Abbas, presented to the commission of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons evidence of the use of banned chemical agents by militants.
The experts of the Ministry of Defense of Russia also confirmed the use of banned ammunition stuffed with chlorine and white phosphorus by terrorist groups. :laugh:But what's your solution? We sell dual use equipment. Just like Russia. I use chlorine to clean my bathroom. And NOBODY should have any Willy Pete. Not hard to make though. It was designed as a signal flair. I honestly don't know who turned it into a weapon. Before my time. We always used yellow blue or green smoke. We never had any.

[gabosaurus]

You of all people have no room to preach, it seems to me. I'm unaware of any criticism of Obama from you, when his inaction occurred. Yet, where Trump is concerned, you very literally want and expect 'action this day' ...

This thread is not about then. It is about now. Obama opposed Russia's support of Syria. Trump supports Russia.

[Balu]

This thread is not about then. It is about now. Obama opposed Russia's support of Syria. Trump supports Russia.
Good joke! :clap::clap::clap:

[Balu]

All this fuss resembles the following. Who can tell me what are the results? What, where and when has been found? http://s19.rimg.info/5e514ffd9e4dea57329059f54773c4b2.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1237551015.html)

http://ru-an.info/Photo/QNews/n4180/1.jpg

[sear]

"This thread is not about then. It is about now. Obama opposed Russia's support of Syria. Trump supports Russia." g #32

Syria is in the Middle East.
And it is axiomatic in the Middle East that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

The U.S. is no friend of a monster like Assad.

But let's just put it in historic context.

"Hitler" is synonymous with bad guy, because he murdered millions!

BUT !!

Stalin murdered more humans than Hitler did. So why does Hitler get the distinction?
Could it be because the ally we had in WWII (Stalin) was worse by that quantifiable standard than the enemy (Hitler)?

- We don't like Assad. BUT !!

- We don't like ISIL either.

And while Assad is mainly a threat inside Syria, ISIL is potentially a global menace.

So we've picked the one we hate the most: ISIL.

WELL !!

ISIL is a U.S. enemy. And
ISIL is Assad's enemy.

It's not rocket surgery to figure out there's potential for cooperation here.

And candidly:
Is there any argument to be made that Assad is as bad or worse than Stalin?

I don't THINK so !!!

Please do not infer more than I imply! I am NOT advocating, or even justifying allying with Assad.

I'm simply making an historic observation.
The U.S. has a history of this kind of thing.

I wouldn't come down to hard on Trump if he tries it, provided he handles the post-ISIL world with a modicum of s a v v y.

[Balu]

"

Stalin murdered more humans than Hitler did. So why does Hitler get the distinction?
Could it be because the ally we had in WWII (Stalin) was worse by that quantifiable standard than the enemy (Hitler)?


You can not count, American? You don't know that the USSR lost 25 million people during the GPW?
And what would you say if Muslims start following YOUR approach directed to YOUR children? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

[sear]

"You can not count, American?" B #36

Please pardon me.
I can count.
But I'm in my 60's, and don't have enough time or energy left to locate, exhume, and count all the corpses Stalin had buried.

"You don't know that the USSR lost 25 million people during the GPW?" B #36

To the contrary. My previous post makes focused reference to it.

"And what would you say if Muslims start following YOUR approach directed to YOUR children? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif" B #36

What is MY approach? Winning? You prefer losing?

Some Muslims already do. Others do not.
I have no children.

I'm willing to address your point, if you will make one.

"We will have so much winning if I get elected, that you may get bored with winning." Republican leading presidential candidate Donald Trump - September, 2015
I prefer winning.

[Balu]

I prefer winning.
I see. By THIS cost?(Company "Charley" at My Lai 4.) Or you've already forgotten? The have not.

http://pics.livejournal.com/2009_da/pic/0008tq10

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15594/20682809.3d2/0_bfe5d_8684f7fa_L.jpg

https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/7/1/3/7606317.jpg

[Drummond]

I see. By THIS cost?(Company "Charley" at My Lai 4.) Or you've already forgotten? The have not.

http://pics.livejournal.com/2009_da/pic/0008tq10

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15594/20682809.3d2/0_bfe5d_8684f7fa_L.jpg

https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/7/1/3/7606317.jpg

Steady on, Balu. You're letting your obviously strong anti-American biases creep in again. It doesn't help your cause.

I see that you're parroting the bog-standard Russian line on this. Every other agency I'm aware of rejects this version of events.

Can you explain why we should believe YOU, and disbelieve everyone ELSE ?

On the matter of Assad's chemical weapon arsenal, I'm unaware that Obama did anything to ensure that Assad had no stockpile, or any possibility of one, remaining to him. If efforts were made to see Assad disarmed ... well, by what method were those efforts verified as effective ??

Did they include prevention of any re-supply ?

[An aside .. people wonder at the wisdom of the Iraq invasion. Doesn't this example prove them wrong to doubt its correctness ?]

Our media is clear on the 'Assad' issue .. Obama's 'red line' on chemical weapon usage was one he did not act on. And folks ... in the UK, we've got some of the most pro-Obama media the planet has seen. If they COULD have whitewashed Obama over this, I'm sure they'd have made an attempt at it.

[Gunny]

I see. By THIS cost?(Company "Charley" at My Lai 4.) Or you've already forgotten? The have not.

http://pics.livejournal.com/2009_da/pic/0008tq10

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15594/20682809.3d2/0_bfe5d_8684f7fa_L.jpg

https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/7/1/3/7606317.jpgWhat is it with you and this particular picture? My Lai 4 was a war crime. THAT simple. No one's excusing it. That's one time I'd have walked off the field. And none of MY Marines were allowed to pull any crap like that. You can caveat that with I didn't control the world. Just my squad then company.

However, call me slow but I fail to see the relevance here. First off, that pic you are so in love with is not My Lai. Second. that happened in 1969 in a war and a world that was totally out of control. Having power makes some people play God. Add to that, that was not a volunteer force during the Nam War. You get what you pay for when you just snatch dumbasses off the street.

And I met William Calley. Should have shot as far as I'm concerned. He's dumber than a red brick. I was just a kid. The gramps was a retired CSM at Ft Benning and lived in Benning Hills a couple miles from base and my grandmother was quite the political activist. It just so happened I was spending the summer with them when Calley went on trial. So guess what was on all 3 black and white channels we got back then?

[Drummond]

I just posted a theory of mine on another thread .. to do with how Russia's economy might be sustainable.

Well ... we all know how staunchly supportive Putin is of Assad. So I suggest the following possibility ..

An economy run on unrealistic lines has to be propped up SOMEHOW. Now .. what if Putin has been resupplying Assad ... and with chemical weapons ? What if what we have seen here is an example of that supply being, in some small measure, deployed ?

Russia would find it in its interests to deflect from any possibility of Assad being re-stocked, by cooking up another, diversionary, story. I suggest that this is what's happening right NOW.

I stress --- this is only a theory. I've no proof. But, it IS possible I'm right.

I strongly suspect that Assad gets its support from Putin because Putin wants to control and preserve a business opportunity. One based upon the sale of internationally banned weapons !

Iran also comes to mind, and the great assistance Russia has given their nuclear technological progress. Again ... an example of Russia selling its best assets to - certainly in Iran's case, given their known terrorist support - a rogue State ?

[pete311]

Trump condemns Hillary and Obama for getting involved in Syria in 2016.
Trump condemns Hillary and Obama for not being involved enough in Syria in 2017.

[Drummond]

Trump condemns Hillary and Obama for getting involved in Syria in 2016.
Trump condemns Hillary and Obama for not being involved enough in Syria in 2017.

I've no idea how true this is. But it does suggest a mind at work which will adapt to changing, or evolving, realities.

Surely, this is a quality any responsible President needs to have ??

... anyway ... do you have material to offer to back up what you've said ? Better yet ... any explanatory CONTEXT to offer us, to account for it ? Because if what you say is true, there must be some !!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Trump condemns Hillary and Obama for getting involved in Syria in 2016.
Trump condemns Hillary and Obama for not being involved enough in Syria in 2017.

Really????
Was it condemnation of involvement--or condemnation of he reality that hey aided he wrong side--the muslim terrorists groups fighting the legitimate government there and Assad??
I suspect,that it was criticizing the morons for aiding, arming and giving unconstitutional support to known muslim terrorist groups, which was forbidden by standing Federal law(which as actually treason on their part to do)! Not that either piece of shit will ever be charged for that .-Tyr

[Gunny]

Trump condemns Hillary and Obama for getting involved in Syria in 2016.
Trump condemns Hillary and Obama for not being involved enough in Syria in 2017.

And? You either go in to win or stay home. Personally, I've never cared a damn about the Middle East and I hated being deployed there. We're sitting so much untapped oil it's pathetic. We're involved over there because the Dem scream machine won't let us use our own. So don't cry when YOUR policies bite you in the ass.

[sear]

"We're sitting so much untapped oil it's pathetic." G #45

True.

BUT !

I'd rather buy OPEC's oil at $60.oo / bbl,
and then after theirs is all gone, and ours is still all in the ground, sell some back to them at $1,000.oo / bbl.

But that's just me.

[Gunny]

"We're sitting so much untapped oil it's pathetic." G #45

True.

BUT !

I'd rather buy OPEC's oil at $60.oo / bbl,
and then after theirs is all gone, and ours is still all in the ground, sell some back to them at $1,000.oo / bbl.

But that's just me.I got a better plan. How about we use our own oil and clear out of the Middle east? Those people have been killing each other over sand dunes for centuries. They're not going to stop all of a sudden. And contrary to popular belief. it's not all about Islam. Arabs are tribal. The religion is just the excuse the fanatics use for power and control. I mean think about it. Jews call themselves a race. Pali's call themselves a race. They ALL are Arabs. I laugh every time I see the word anti-semitic. Guess what? Those people trying to kill you are semites too.

And what are we preserving this oil we won't use for? It's not doing anything for me NOW. A couple of 8" pipes running through Alaska is worse than this blight of windmills we have? And guess what at the end of the day ... you need oil to run the machinery.

[jimnyc]

This thread is not about then. It is about now. Obama opposed Russia's support of Syria. Trump supports Russia.

Then why did you say "BUSH" a million times when threads were about Obama in the past 8 years prior? :lol:

[Drummond]

I got a better plan. How about we use our own oil and clear out of the Middle east? Those people have been killing each other over sand dunes for centuries. They're not going to stop all of a sudden. And contrary to popular belief. it's not all about Islam. Arabs are tribal. The religion is just the excuse the fanatics use for power and control. I mean think about it. Jews call themselves a race. Pali's call themselves a race. They ALL are Arabs. I laugh every time I see the word anti-semitic. Guess what? Those people trying to kill you are semites too.

And what are we preserving this oil we won't use for? It's not doing anything for me NOW. A couple of 8" pipes running through Alaska is worse than this blight of windmills we have? And guess what at the end of the day ... you need oil to run the machinery.

OK - this argument makes a lot of sense to me.

I've one reservation, though.

Let's say there was a mass exodus out of the Middle East. How would that play for propaganda purposes ? I can well believe that every crackpot, subhuman terrorist outfit going, from what's left of ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc .. would turn this around and claim that US resolve was very weak, that they'd won a massive victory against the West.

Al Qaeda in particular sees it as an aim of theirs to see any Middle Eastern power allying itself with America is treated as an enemy. This is why they've even attacked Saudi Arabia in the past ...

http://www.cfr.org/saudi-arabia/saudi-arabia-al-qaedas-sights/p7740


Saudi-born Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has long called for the overthrow of the Saudi royal family to punish it for allowing U.S. military bases in the kingdom.


The royal family maintains a close relationship with the United States, which al-Qaeda views as the home of "infidels."

I think a mass withdrawal of the US presence in the Middle East would play into the hands of Islamic terrorists generally ... they'd turn it into a recruiting tool for their various groups .. resulting in many more terrorists potentially against the West, and many more which a 'bunker mentality' approach would have to defend against.

[Gunny]

OK - this argument makes a lot of sense to me.

I've one reservation, though.

Let's say there was a mass exodus out of the Middle East. How would that play for propaganda purposes ? I can well believe that every crackpot, subhuman terrorist outfit going, from what's left of ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc .. would turn this around and claim that US resolve was very weak, that they'd won a massive victory against the West.

Al Qaeda in particular sees it as an aim of theirs to see any Middle Eastern power allying itself with America is treated as an enemy. This is why they've even attacked Saudi Arabia in the past ...

http://www.cfr.org/saudi-arabia/saudi-arabia-al-qaedas-sights/p7740





I think a mass withdrawal of the US presence in the Middle East would play into the hands of Islamic terrorists generally ... they'd turn it into a recruiting tool for their various groups .. resulting in many more terrorists potentially against the West, and many more which a 'bunker mentality' approach would have to defend against.I'm talking idealism, not realism. Ideally, you just leave them in their sandbox to kill each other off. You contain the sandbox. Don't let them out of it. Treat them like the toddlers they act like.

Reality? Politics and money make the idealism what it is. Long as a buck can be made for "me" who cares about anything or anyone else?

[sear]

"I got a better plan. How about we use our own oil and clear out of the Middle east?" G

That's fine.
But then when ours runs out, they can jack the price up to $1,000.oo / bbl on us.
Nope.
I like my way better, jacking the price up to $1,000.oo / bbl on them.

"Those people have been killing each other over sand dunes for centuries. They're not going to stop all of a sudden." G #47

Indeed, millennia!
No matter. They deliver!

"The religion is just the excuse the fanatics use for power and control." G

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." sometimes attributed to Seneca the Younger (c.3 BCE - CE 65)
"And what are we preserving this oil we won't use for?" G

Future generations.
Do you think they'll be MORE grateful to us if we fully depleat the natural resources of the land, the nation they inherit from us.

"It's not doing anything for me NOW." G

Is our nuclear arsenal?
I don't see any mushroom clouds out the window.
If we leave some oil in the ground, all we have to do is let OPEC know it's there.

We also have something called "the strategic oil reserve".
You really think our strategic planners are so stupid they created this resource for no reason?

"And guess what at the end of the day ... you need oil to run the machinery." G #47

Precisely!
And so will the grandkids.
And it has been a centuries-long tradition in the U.S. to leave to the next generation a nation better than the previous.
So far, right up until April 6, 2017 the U.S. has had domestic oil resources to count on.

How will Trump's generation depriving all future generations of this valuable resource an improvement for them?

"I think a mass withdrawal of the US presence in the Middle East would play into the hands of Islamic terrorists generally ..." D #49

Keep your friends close, your enemies even closer. - unknown
I agree.
I don't believe severe isolationism is a winning strategy for 3rd Millennium U.S. foreign policy.

[Balu]

Russia submits its UN SC draft resolution about chemical weapons incident in Syria

Russian Politics & Diplomacy (http://tass.com/politics)
April 05, 23:35 updated at: April 05, 23:37 UTC+3
Earlier on Wednesday Russia criticized the West-drafted resolution "evidently drawn up in a hurry and extremely negligently"


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THE UNITED NATIONS, April 5. /TASS/. Russia has submitted its draft resolution to the UN Security Council about the alleged use of chemical weapons in the Syrian town of Khan Shaykhun on Tuesday, Fedor Strzhizhovsky, press secretary of Russia’s permanent representative to the UN, told reporters on Wednesday.
At the emergency meeting convened by the UN Security Council earlier on Wednesday, Russia criticized the West-drafted resolution "evidently drawn up in a hurry and extremely negligently," he said.
"Instead, we submitted our short draft resolution, drawn up in a business manner and aimed at conducting a true investigation rather than to appoint the guilty ones until the facts are established," Strzhizhovsky said, adding the UN Security Council had begun consultations and would try to draft "a compromise resolution." 0-mil/
In the meantime, France’s Ambassador to the UN Francois Delattre told reporters that the UN Security Council was holding talks in a constructive manner but the UN Security Council’s members are "in mid-journey." France believes the resolution should be approved as soon as possible but the Security Council is unlikely to vote on the resolution on Wednesday, he added.
At the UN SC meeting, Russia’s Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Vladimir Safronkov proposed to reduce the substantive provisions of the resolution to one paragraph containing an appeal to the OPCW mission to "fully investigate the reports about the incident on the ground under the mandatory condition that the list of investigators will be submitted to the UN for approval and will be geographically balanced as well."
"A demand should be added here that the illegal armed groups controlling the area of the incident should ensure full and unhindered access to the area and to the required information for investigators," he said.
Draft resolution

The US, UK and France submitted their draft resolution to the United Nations Security Council’s emergency meeting held on Wednesday. The resolution was drafted following an alleged air strike in the town of Khan Shaykhun by Syrian government warplanes in a suspected gas attack. The draft resolution demands that the Damascus government cooperate with the international team of investigators. It also threatens the country with sanctions in case of non-compliance.
The resolution condemns the "use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Arab Republic, in particular the attack on Khan Shaykhun reported on 4 April 2017" and expresses full support to an investigation by the Fact Finding Mission (FFM) by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) and the Joint Investigative Mechanism (JIM) of the UN and the OPCW.
The resolution also calls on the Syrian government to cooperate fully with the international investigators, including by providing them with "flight plans, flight logs, and any other information on air operations, including all flight plans or flight logs filed on April 4 2017.".




More:
http://tass.com/politics/939645

[Drummond]

Russia submits its UN SC draft resolution about chemical weapons incident in Syria

Russian Politics & Diplomacy (http://tass.com/politics)
April 05, 23:35 updated at: April 05, 23:37 UTC+3
Earlier on Wednesday Russia criticized the West-drafted resolution "evidently drawn up in a hurry and extremely negligently"


https://phototass3.cdnvideo.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20170405/1165538.jpg
© EPA/JUSTIN LANE

THE UNITED NATIONS, April 5. /TASS/. Russia has submitted its draft resolution to the UN Security Council about the alleged use of chemical weapons in the Syrian town of Khan Shaykhun on Tuesday, Fedor Strzhizhovsky, press secretary of Russia’s permanent representative to the UN, told reporters on Wednesday.
At the emergency meeting convened by the UN Security Council earlier on Wednesday, Russia criticized the West-drafted resolution "evidently drawn up in a hurry and extremely negligently," he said.
"Instead, we submitted our short draft resolution, drawn up in a business manner and aimed at conducting a true investigation rather than to appoint the guilty ones until the facts are established," Strzhizhovsky said, adding the UN Security Council had begun consultations and would try to draft "a compromise resolution." 0-mil/
In the meantime, France’s Ambassador to the UN Francois Delattre told reporters that the UN Security Council was holding talks in a constructive manner but the UN Security Council’s members are "in mid-journey." France believes the resolution should be approved as soon as possible but the Security Council is unlikely to vote on the resolution on Wednesday, he added.
At the UN SC meeting, Russia’s Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Vladimir Safronkov proposed to reduce the substantive provisions of the resolution to one paragraph containing an appeal to the OPCW mission to "fully investigate the reports about the incident on the ground under the mandatory condition that the list of investigators will be submitted to the UN for approval and will be geographically balanced as well."
"A demand should be added here that the illegal armed groups controlling the area of the incident should ensure full and unhindered access to the area and to the required information for investigators," he said.
Draft resolution

The US, UK and France submitted their draft resolution to the United Nations Security Council’s emergency meeting held on Wednesday. The resolution was drafted following an alleged air strike in the town of Khan Shaykhun by Syrian government warplanes in a suspected gas attack. The draft resolution demands that the Damascus government cooperate with the international team of investigators. It also threatens the country with sanctions in case of non-compliance.
The resolution condemns the "use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Arab Republic, in particular the attack on Khan Shaykhun reported on 4 April 2017" and expresses full support to an investigation by the Fact Finding Mission (FFM) by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) and the Joint Investigative Mechanism (JIM) of the UN and the OPCW.
The resolution also calls on the Syrian government to cooperate fully with the international investigators, including by providing them with "flight plans, flight logs, and any other information on air operations, including all flight plans or flight logs filed on April 4 2017.".


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http://tass.com/politics/939645

Our understanding is that Sarin gas was the chemical agent involved.

Can you explain how the rebel side managed to manufacture such a toxin ? It's altogether far more likely to have come from a major power, one which has both the expertise and the means to produce it.

This in turn means it makes far more sense for the Assad regime to have used it for an attack.

And .. this, in turn, leads one to question .. why Russia is so intent upon deflecting culpability from the Assad regime. Our own experts in the UK widely dismiss the Russian account. You, of course, are loyal to your countrymen's propaganda position. You represent it in a display of loyalty, of course.

We understand that, Balu.

For myself, I prefer TRUTH.

I trust, by the way, that Russia will offer no opposition to the intended investigation ??

[Drummond]

Our understanding is that Sarin gas was the chemical agent involved.

Can you explain how the rebel side managed to manufacture such a toxin ? It's altogether far more likely to have come from a major power, one which has both the expertise and the means to produce it.

This in turn means it makes far more sense for the Assad regime to have used it for an attack.

And .. this, in turn, leads one to question .. why Russia is so intent upon deflecting culpability from the Assad regime. Our own experts in the UK widely dismiss the Russian account. You, of course, are loyal to your countrymen's propaganda position. You represent it in a display of loyalty, of course.

We understand that, Balu.

For myself, I prefer TRUTH.

I trust, by the way, that Russia will offer no opposition to the intended investigation ??

... Sorry !! Negligent of me, Balu .. I only skimmed the material you posted. I shouldn't have done. Sure enough .. I see that your people ARE offering opposition.

I might've guessed. Evidently, from your own post, it appears that the Russian side is trying to cut down the terms of the Resolution ? WHY, if you have no reason (and you shouldn't have !) to oppose any investigation ?

I'll be candid. THIS STINKS, and you know it too, Balu. SOMETHING is wrong here. I think I know what. However ... what should happen is that this matter remains open until a proper and exhaustive investigation is conducted. Russia, if its hands are clean in this and if you want fairness to win out, should be offering NO opposition AT ALL.

Agreed, Balu ? Yes ??

[gabosaurus]

When Obama considered military strikes against Syria, he was blocked by the GOP Congress. And attacked by a would be political candidate. :cool:

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.




Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

"@mguarino64 (https://twitter.com/mguarino64): @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) " How would you treat the Syria situation if president ?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!




Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

"@BigSexyBDAvis (https://twitter.com/BigSexyBDAvis): @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) mr trump would attack Syria or no?" No, lets make our country great again as they fight their war!


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

The Arab League stated that it wants nothing to do with an attack on Syria, but they want us to attack.Are our leaders insane or just stupid

[jimnyc]

When Obama considered military strikes against Syria, he was blocked by the GOP Congress. And attacked by a would be political candidate. :cool:

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.




Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

"@mguarino64 (https://twitter.com/mguarino64): @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) " How would you treat the Syria situation if president ?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!




Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

"@BigSexyBDAvis (https://twitter.com/BigSexyBDAvis): @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) mr trump would attack Syria or no?" No, lets make our country great again as they fight their war!


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

The Arab League stated that it wants nothing to do with an attack on Syria, but they want us to attack.Are our leaders insane or just stupid











Petey has already beat you to the trolling on this one. Before anything - YES - he is an idiot on twitter.

Let me ask this - did he write them things after Syria killed over 70 people with chemical weapons, including children?

[Black Diamond]

Petey has already beat you to the trolling on this one. Before anything - YES - he is an idiot on twitter.

Let me ask this - did he write them things after Syria killed over 70 people with chemical weapons, including children?
Before he saw the pictures and before the whole weight of the world was on his shoulders.

[jimnyc]

Before he saw the pictures and before the whole weight of the world was on his shoulders.

And before access to all intelligence.

[Black Diamond]

And before access to all intelligence.
That's why I am a bit worried about what happened the last 3 days to change his mind.

[Black Diamond]

When Obama considered military strikes against Syria, he was blocked by the GOP Congress. And attacked by a would be political candidate. :cool:

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.




Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

"@mguarino64 (https://twitter.com/mguarino64): @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) " How would you treat the Syria situation if president ?" I'd let them all fight with each other-focus on US!




Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

"@BigSexyBDAvis (https://twitter.com/BigSexyBDAvis): @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) mr trump would attack Syria or no?" No, lets make our country great again as they fight their war!


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!


Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

The Arab League stated that it wants nothing to do with an attack on Syria, but they want us to attack.Are our leaders insane or just stupid










Maybe Obama should have just acted instead of doing everything by committee. Or maybe he didn't want to go in and knew ahead of time republican congress would say no. That way he can continue his "the buck stops at congress" platform and nothing is ever Obama's fault.

[Gunny]

"I got a better plan. How about we use our own oil and clear out of the Middle east?" G

That's fine.
But then when ours runs out, they can jack the price up to $1,000.oo / bbl on us.
Nope.
I like my way better, jacking the price up to $1,000.oo / bbl on them.

"Those people have been killing each other over sand dunes for centuries. They're not going to stop all of a sudden." G #47

Indeed, millennia!
No matter. They deliver!

"The religion is just the excuse the fanatics use for power and control." G

"And what are we preserving this oil we won't use for?" G

Future generations.
Do you think they'll be MORE grateful to us if we fully depleat the natural resources of the land, the nation they inherit from us.

"It's not doing anything for me NOW." G

Is our nuclear arsenal?
I don't see any mushroom clouds out the window.
If we leave some oil in the ground, all we have to do is let OPEC know it's there.

We also have something called "the strategic oil reserve".
You really think our strategic planners are so stupid they created this resource for no reason?

"And guess what at the end of the day ... you need oil to run the machinery." G #47

Precisely!
And so will the grandkids.
And it has been a centuries-long tradition in the U.S. to leave to the next generation a nation better than the previous.
So far, right up until April 6, 2017 the U.S. has had domestic oil resources to count on.

How will Trump's generation depriving all future generations of this valuable resource an improvement for them?

"I think a mass withdrawal of the US presence in the Middle East would play into the hands of Islamic terrorists generally ..." D #49

I agree.
I don't believe severe isolationism is a winning strategy for 3rd Millennium U.S. foreign policy.I disagree completely with "save it for our grandkids" argument. Who are THEY going to save it for? Their grandkids? Meanwhile it just sits and WE pay for it. Each generation makes its own way. I live NOW.

[aboutime]

Maybe Obama should have just acted instead of doing everything by committee. Or maybe he didn't want to go in and knew ahead of time republican congress would say no. That way he can continue his "the buck stops at congress" platform and nothing is ever Obama's fault.


Obama did nothing because he 1. HAD NO BALLS and 2. DIDN'T WANT TO OFFEND, OR INSULT HIS MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD FRIENDS. Not to mention how the DEMS are wussies when it comes to a president defending the country...according to his OATH of Office.

[sear]

"I disagree completely with "save it for our grandkids" argument. Who are THEY going to save it for? Their grandkids? Meanwhile it just sits and WE pay for it. Each generation makes its own way. I live NOW." G #61

You're right.
And while we're at it we might as well fell all the giant sequoia.
We could make some real nice lawn furniture out of it.
And if the grandkids want to see what the trees used to look like, they can look at old photographs.

[Balu]

Hey, Americans, I don't know how you feel when they make a fool of you, but I am laughing at you. :laugh:

<section>Industrials (http://www.reuters.com/news/archive/industrialsSector) | Fri Apr 7, 2017 | 3:13pm EDT
Syrian jets take off from air base U.S. missiles struck - Syrian Observatory
</section><section>

BEIRUT, April 7 Syrian warplanes took off from an air base which was hit by U.S. cruise missiles on Friday, and carried out air strikes on rebel-held areas in the eastern Homs countryside, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
The U.S. Navy had fired dozens of missiles at the air base near Homs city in response to a chemical attack this week which Washington and its allies blamed on the Damascus government.
The British-based Observatory, a group monitoring the Syrian war using sources on the ground, said eight people had been killed in the U.S. attack.
The extent of the damage to the Shayrat air base was not entirely clear, but the Syrian warplanes had "done the impossible" in order to continue using it for sorties, the Observatory told Reuters. (Reporting by John Davison; Editing by Angus MacSwan)



</section>
http://www.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-airport-idUSL8N1HF5PT

[sear]

#64

Right.
Thanks.

Weapons are tools.
The right tool for the right job.

To deactivate a runway, I gather cluster-bombs are the usual munition.
But the U.N. wants them banned, due to the <100% detonation rate.

Whether Tomahawk cruise can deliver cluster bombs I don't know, but doubt it.
And I suspect pilot-aboard aircraft were not used, due to risk of Syrian or Russian air defense.

[Balu]

Americans, can you count? If you can, do it at once! :laugh:

http://rusvesna.su/sites/default/files/styles/by_text/public/aviabazy_shayrat_1.jpg?itok=TB35vjFS

http://rusvesna.su/sites/default/files/styles/by_text/public/aviabazy_shayrat_2.jpg?itok=HFuhng-I

http://rusvesna.su/sites/default/files/styles/by_text/public/aviabazy_shayrat.jpg?itok=JnkfbYi5

[Gunny]

"I disagree completely with "save it for our grandkids" argument. Who are THEY going to save it for? Their grandkids? Meanwhile it just sits and WE pay for it. Each generation makes its own way. I live NOW." G #61

You're right.
And while we're at it we might as well fell all the giant sequoia.
We could make some real nice lawn furniture out of it.
And if the grandkids want to see what the trees used to look like, they can look at old photographs.Snarky don't play on me. I am for responsible use of resources. There's difference between THAT and raping the land. It's not a black or white only issue.

It IS however in our National interest to not put ourselves at the mercy of Arabs. And your socialist mind ought to love THIS idea ... drill for our own oil and Nationalize it so it can't be sold on the world market. But really, what's to lose? Most of what you pay at the pump now goes to the government.

I find it ridiculous that we, as a nation, send our oil to the ME to have it refined then bring it back because of the EPA. I'm not against the idea of the EPA. I AM against the bureaucracy of the EPA and the ridiculousness of its rules.

Oh ... and if I want to see my grandfather in a Model T? I get to look at pictures.

[Gunny]

Hey, Americans, I don't know how you feel when they make a fool of you, but I am laughing at you. :laugh:

<section>Industrials (http://www.reuters.com/news/archive/industrialsSector) | Fri Apr 7, 2017 | 3:13pm EDT
Syrian jets take off from air base U.S. missiles struck - Syrian Observatory
</section><section>

BEIRUT, April 7 Syrian warplanes took off from an air base which was hit by U.S. cruise missiles on Friday, and carried out air strikes on rebel-held areas in the eastern Homs countryside, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
The U.S. Navy had fired dozens of missiles at the air base near Homs city in response to a chemical attack this week which Washington and its allies blamed on the Damascus government.
The British-based Observatory, a group monitoring the Syrian war using sources on the ground, said eight people had been killed in the U.S. attack.
The extent of the damage to the Shayrat air base was not entirely clear, but the Syrian warplanes had "done the impossible" in order to continue using it for sorties, the Observatory told Reuters. (Reporting by John Davison; Editing by Angus MacSwan)



</section>
http://www.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-airport-idUSL8N1HF5PTDon't know what you're laughing about. You think any of thought they wouldn't rebuild their flight line? If you were as smart about the military as you wished, you'd know there's more stuff to fix a flighline than there are planes on it.

This was a message. We will shoot. No more panty boy in the White House.

[sear]

"I disagree completely with "save it for our grandkids" argument. Who are THEY going to save it for?" G #61

"I am for responsible use of resources." G #67

Thanks for clearing it up.

[Black Diamond]

Hey, Americans, I don't know how you feel when they make a fool of you, but I am laughing at you. :laugh:

<section>Industrials (http://www.reuters.com/news/archive/industrialsSector) | Fri Apr 7, 2017 | 3:13pm EDT
Syrian jets take off from air base U.S. missiles struck - Syrian Observatory
</section><section>

BEIRUT, April 7 Syrian warplanes took off from an air base which was hit by U.S. cruise missiles on Friday, and carried out air strikes on rebel-held areas in the eastern Homs countryside, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
The U.S. Navy had fired dozens of missiles at the air base near Homs city in response to a chemical attack this week which Washington and its allies blamed on the Damascus government.
The British-based Observatory, a group monitoring the Syrian war using sources on the ground, said eight people had been killed in the U.S. attack.
The extent of the damage to the Shayrat air base was not entirely clear, but the Syrian warplanes had "done the impossible" in order to continue using it for sorties, the Observatory told Reuters. (Reporting by John Davison; Editing by Angus MacSwan)



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http://www.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-airport-idUSL8N1HF5PT
It was a message. It wasn't tactical. And keep laughing. Russia is no match for America. You know it. I know it. Putin knows it. Trump knows it.

[sear]

"It was a message. It wasn't tactical." BD #70
True.

"Russia is no match for America. You know it. I know it. Putin knows it. Trump knows it." BD #70

Even if true, irrelevant.

OK
So the US has 11 times planetary overkill in our WMD arsenal, and
Russia has only 6 times planetary overkill? (or whatever it is!?)

What an UTTERLY pointless distinction!!

Russia can annihilate the United States of America with the press of a button.
And the United States of America can annihilate Russia with the press of a button.

So this:

"Russia is no match for America." BD #70

claptrap is vastly, entirely beyond the absurd and irrelevant. It is in point of irrefutable fact, distinctly fatal ideology.

There is no social need to idolize Vlad Putin in the United States.

But it would be sublimely foolish to ignore the fact that he holds the power of life & death over U.S. just as we do over him.

[Gunny]

It was a message. It wasn't tactical. And keep laughing. Russia is no match for America. You know it. I know it. Putin knows it. Trump knows it.Tactically, Russia is no match. Strategically? Same problem everyone has had with Russia. We don't have enough people to occupy the space. And frankly, who wants to? Anyone really want that backwards ass country on their taxes? Not me. We kick their asses then spend our money fixing them. No thanks. You can't fix stupid.

[Gunny]

If you look at those planes? ALL are direct ripoffs of US designs. He's bragging about being a car thief. :laugh: They started with a B-29 that had to emergency land there. Innovation is NOT them. The YAK they flew in WWII? P-39 Bell. AK-47? German MP-40.

[Balu]

My further congratulations to you, terrorist supporters and liars! :clap:

The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has confirmed the traces of the sarin gas used in Syria are not linked with the Syrian government’s former stockpile of chemical weapons. The report corroborates the Syrian government’s assertions that the faction responsible for the chemical attack, as well as 11 other instances of chemical weapons use, was the Syrian opposition.

The report also substantiates last month’s claims from Ahmed al-Gaddafi al-Qahsi, cousin of Muammar Gaddafi, who said that the chemical weapons used in the incident had been stolen from Libya and later smuggled into Syria via Turkey by militants.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-weighing-military-options-following-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/2017/04/06/0c59603a-1ae8-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.9e8031819af8

http://www.globalresearch.ca/organization-for-the-prohibition-of-chemical-weapons-opwc-confirms-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/5500017 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-weighing-military-options-following-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/2017/04/06/0c59603a-1ae8-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.9e8031819af8)

[Balu]

I wonder if he is already in the cemetery? :laugh: (read about sarin its damaging factors and means of protection)

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2017/04/2017-04-04T105431Z_1145100001_RC1B3AF48000_RTRMADP_3_MIDEA ST-CRISIS-SYRIA-IDLIB-1024x683.jpg&w=480

A man carries the body of a dead child, after what rescue workers described as a suspected chemical attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun. (Ammar Abdullah/Reuters)

[Balu]

Hey, Americans! Comics are the best way for you to study the material. :laugh:

'About lying "white helmets", the invented gas attacks and so on. - Do study safety techniques, schoolkids!'
(above - Japan, below - Syria)

http://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2017/4/19%20%2852%29.jpg

[revelarts]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/rubicon666/17800224_1449426691754974_6441235762053909790_n_zp s1mynsmtu.png


Well I'm Glad Trump Says what he Means and is a "strait shooter"... not like other politicians at all.:rolleyes:

But But But , you obviously don't see this is REALLY DIFFERENT... (he's a republican)! and and and president has to be "flexible" to things that happen... 10 thousand miles away.

just BS excuses for reversing his position and making unconstitutional actions.

plain talk, plain english, RAW facts
Trump is just another Unconstitutional soft dictator President.
Just another politician (i.e. LIAR)

[revelarts]

Concerning WHO used or IF Chemical weapons were used.

take this bit of info from past media reports in.

Here's some lies from the BBC,
BBC fileed video reports months apart with the same british doctor footage but they have the doc saying 2 different things.
In one She talks about possible Napalm but in the other she talks about possible CHEMICAL weapons.

her face is in a mask so the sound bites are easily dubbed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtivadbNrXk

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...ake-bbc-video/ (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/10/fake-bbc-video/)


Irrefutable evidence of a stunning bit of fakery by the BBC:

In this version the medic being interviewed says about the 2 minute mark:

“..It’s just absolute chaos and carnage here, erm we’ve had a massive influx of
what looks like serious burns, er seems like it must be some sort of chemical
weapon, I’m not really sure..”

In this version she says – it is at about 2 mins 20 seconds in this edit:

“..It’s just absolute chaos and carnage here, erm we’ve had a massive influx of
what looks like serious burns, er seems like it must be some sort of, I’m not
really sure, maybe napalm, something similar to that..”

The disturbing thing is the footage of the doctor talking is precisely the same each time. It is edited so as to give the impression the medic is talking in real time in her natural voice – there are none of the accepted devices used to indicate a voiceover translation. But it must be true that in at least one, and possibly both, the clips she is not talking in real time in her own voice. It is very hard to judge as her mouth and lips are fully covered throughout. Perhaps neither of the above is what she actually said.

Terrible things are happening all the time in Syria’s civil war, between Assad’s disparate forces and still more disparate opposition forces, and innocent people are suffering. There are dreadful crimes against civilians on all sides. I have no desire at all to downplay or mitigate that. But once you realise the indisputable fact of the fake interview the BBC has put out, some of the images in this video begin to be less than convincing on close inspection too.


Syria crisis: Incendiary bomb victims 'like the walking dead' - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-23892594)
Syria: Agony of victims of 'napalm-like' school bombing - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-24288698)

Also does anyone remember other reports of countries with WMDs by the gov't and media?
Any one remember incubator babies from before the 1st gulf war?
do people have some solid ground to be suspicious here.

seems to me on issues of war there's VERY good reason for people to be suspicious AND good reason why Congress should be involved BEFORE a president starts bombing the crap out of countries.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My further congratulations to you, terrorist supporters and liars! :clap:

The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has confirmed the traces of the sarin gas used in Syria are not linked with the Syrian government’s former stockpile of chemical weapons. The report corroborates the Syrian government’s assertions that the faction responsible for the chemical attack, as well as 11 other instances of chemical weapons use, was the Syrian opposition.

The report also substantiates last month’s claims from Ahmed al-Gaddafi al-Qahsi, cousin of Muammar Gaddafi, who said that the chemical weapons used in the incident had been stolen from Libya and later smuggled into Syria via Turkey by militants.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-weighing-military-options-following-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/2017/04/06/0c59603a-1ae8-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.9e8031819af8

http://www.globalresearch.ca/organization-for-the-prohibition-of-chemical-weapons-opwc-confirms-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/5500017 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-weighing-military-options-following-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/2017/04/06/0c59603a-1ae8-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.9e8031819af8)


Thank you. I already knew this incident was same as the previous one, a successfully accomplished -false flag attack... same as the previous one was--
always the way the muslim terrorists sacrifice innocent lives to further their Allah commanded goals..
Truly sickens me that he media, the liberals, the morons have by ook and crook managed to get Trump to turn on Russia, seek to hit Assad--when Assad is fighting the muslim scum that hits us -every damn chance nd way that they can!
my, my, my --how quick we forget 9/11..
9/11 was executed by the same entity(muslims hellbent on bringing in the Caliphate) that Assad has to fight!

Success , is we now are helping ISIS OVERTHROW ASSAD!!
AND THE PIECES OF DEM SHIT CELEBRATING NOW, WILL USE THIS AGAINST TRUMP IN TH FUTURE...

WE HAVE JUST AIDED THE VERY ENEMY THAT SEEKS OUR TOTAL DESTRUCTION AT ANY COSTS!!!.-Tyr

[Balu]

Thank you. I already knew this incident was same as the previous one, a successfully accomplished -false flag attack... same as the previous one was--
always the way the muslim terrorists sacrifice innocent lives to further their Allah commanded goals..
Truly sickens me that he media, the liberals, the morons have by ook and crook managed to get Trump to turn on Russia, seek to hit Assad--when Assad is fighting the muslim scum that hits us -every damn chance nd way that they can!
my, my, my --how quick we forget 9/11..
9/11 was executed by the same entity(muslims hellbent on bringing in the Caliphate) that Assad has to fight!

Success , is we now are helping ISIS OVERTHROW ASSAD!!
AND THE PIECES OF DEM SHIT CELEBRATING NOW, WILL USE THIS AGAINST TRUMP IN TH FUTURE...

WE HAVE JUST AIDED THE VERY ENEMY THAT SEEKS OUR TOTAL DESTRUCTION AT ANY COSTS!!!.-Tyr
You see, Robert,
Today I watched the meeting of the UN Security Council and heard what our representative said - the US is afraid of the results of the investigation. They are capable of destroying their entire campaign of accusations. Frankly, there was no urgency in taking military measures, if only to consider the issue of Syria itself, and not Trump's intrinsic plight, which forces him to show that he is a "tough guy." Soon there will be 100 days of his presidency, and he doesn't have any real achievements in his domestic politics.
And this mania to dismiss Assad has very serious foundations - he doesn't let the gas pipeline via the territory of Syria with further destination to the West Europe. And THIS is the main point. But all this "freedoms" and "human rights" this is a cheap but smelling souse.

[revelarts]

Before he saw the pictures and before the whole weight of the world was on his shoulders.


And before access to all intelligence.

SO basically he was too stupid to know that Assad was geneally a bad guy. And Now his neo-con and Neo-lib buddies have told him he was WRONG before.

Frankly anyone with any sense knew that Assad was a bad guy before. that he was capable and had access too Chemical weapons. (whether he's used them or not is still a question ) .

to put's Trump Changing views in an HONEST light the best one can say is either he was supremely ignorant and WRONG before when he chastised Obama about Syria and warned about the constitutional use of presidential powers, and the many likely negative consqueses and ramifications of attacking Syria. And he's SUDDENLY been informed that he was Completely WRONG and changed his mind on EVERY point because of one attack.
OR He was exactly right on basically every point BEFORE and Now under unknown pressures has decided to completely change his view. Misuse presidential powers, risk all of the negative ramifications, and fight against the one M.E. STATE power that is UNqualifyingly fighting against real Muslim terrorist.

Sorry, I think the Old Trump was EXACTLY right here. And this new Trump has been bambozalled into bad actions by parties unknown.

[Black Diamond]

SO basically he was too stupid to know that Assad was geneally a bad guy. And Now his neo-con and Neo-lib buddies have told him he was WRONG before.

Frankly anyone with any sense knew that Assad was a bad guy before. that he was capable and had access too Chemical weapons. (whether he's used them or not is still a question ) .

to put's Trump Changing views in an HONEST light the best one can say is either he was supremely ignorant and WRONG before when he chastised Obama about Syria and warned about the constitutional use of presidential powers, and the many likely negative consqueses and ramifications of attacking Syria. And he's SUDDENLY been informed that he was Completely WRONG and changed his mind on EVERY point because of one attack.
OR He was exactly right on basically every point BEFORE and Now under unknown pressures has decided to completely change his view. Misuse presidential powers, risk all of the negative ramifications, and fight against the one M.E. STATE power that is UNqualifyingly fighting against real Muslim terrorist.

Sorry, I think the Old Trump was EXACTLY right here. And this new Trump has been bambozalled into bad actions by parties unknown.
Yes. If only Ron Paul were president. He would know the chemical attack was a false flag operation; Probably conducted by the CIA.

And Marvin Bush.

[Drummond]

My further congratulations to you, terrorist supporters and liars! :clap:

The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has confirmed the traces of the sarin gas used in Syria are not linked with the Syrian government’s former stockpile of chemical weapons. The report corroborates the Syrian government’s assertions that the faction responsible for the chemical attack, as well as 11 other instances of chemical weapons use, was the Syrian opposition.

The report also substantiates last month’s claims from Ahmed al-Gaddafi al-Qahsi, cousin of Muammar Gaddafi, who said that the chemical weapons used in the incident had been stolen from Libya and later smuggled into Syria via Turkey by militants.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-weighing-military-options-following-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/2017/04/06/0c59603a-1ae8-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.9e8031819af8

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-weighing-military-options-following-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/2017/04/06/0c59603a-1ae8-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.9e8031819af8)htt p://www.globalresearch.ca/organization-for-the-prohibition-of-chemical-weapons-opwc-confirms-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/5500017


So, we're believing people who have their own biases to exercise?

And why on earth should we automatically believe what a relative of Gaddafi has to tell us ???

If investigations are to be carried out, this needs to be done by people acting independently of anyone with a biased agenda .. I suggest, as in this way we can TRUST the findings. Your second link says something very different to that.

Balu, I know you and your countrymen are pulling out all the stops to defend Assad from even the suggestion of culpability .. but you're doing this as the product of a highly biased motivation.

As for right now ... see this, discussing Sarin ...

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090522090921AAMEF75


Impossible to buy unless you are from the dept of defense or represent a chemical laboratory in a high capacity leading scientist for research or something to that effect.

You can steal it, if you know where they hold it and you are good at getting around tight security.

You can make it if you could find the formula, which I imagine even on the internet is next to impossible since it is considered a weapon of mass destruction.

The chemical name for it is methylphosphonofluoridate GB, and it's is Molecular formula is C4H10FO2P . But unless you have a great deal of chemical knowledge along with laboratory experience in organic chemistry and access to the intermediate chemicals you aren't going to be successful.

Actually I'm kind of glad this is a difficult one to make, because it is one of those gases I see no useful purpose for other than to be harmful ...

[Black Diamond]

And I am sure the answer to this riddle is that trump is stupid. Any fool could take a few million dollars and turn it into a real estate empire, have the number one show on television, and then with no political experience defeat 15 primary candidates and then the most qualified candidate in history.

i mean let's forget the idea that trump may have access to intelligence no one else has. And let's forget the weight of the presidency that is now on his shoulders. He's just plain stupid.

[aboutime]

Now, after reading most of Balu's posts here. I am convinced. Balu, Pete,
and Sear are TRIPLETS. Note the Dripping Propaganda Noses....!

http://icansayit.com/images/troll.jpghttp://icansayit.com/images/troll.jpghttp://icansayit.com/images/troll.jpg

All Hate Everything America, and Being American stands for here.

[Balu]

Idlib "chemical weapons attack" reality: Syria bombed REBEL chemical weapons storehouse, Russia says military support will continue, vetoes U.S./UK/France UN resolution (https://www.sott.net/article/347316-Idlib-chemical-weapons-attack-reality-Syria-bombed-REBEL-chemical-weapons-storehouse-Russia-says-military-support-will-continue-vetoes-US-UK-France-UN-resolution)

Samer Hussein (translator)
Breakingnews.sy / Fort Russ (http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/04/the-truth-behind-khan-sheikhoun.html)
Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:55 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s19/388141/large/White_Helmets_chem_idlib.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s19/388141/full/White_Helmets_chem_idlib.jpg)
Someone tell the White Helmets that Sarin exposure works through skin contact.

I don't think that Americans and Europeans are stupid to such an extent that may be manipulated by the donkey "lovers". Everything seems to be much worse.

[Gunny]

Idlib "chemical weapons attack" reality: Syria bombed REBEL chemical weapons storehouse, Russia says military support will continue, vetoes U.S./UK/France UN resolution (https://www.sott.net/article/347316-Idlib-chemical-weapons-attack-reality-Syria-bombed-REBEL-chemical-weapons-storehouse-Russia-says-military-support-will-continue-vetoes-US-UK-France-UN-resolution)

Samer Hussein (translator)
Breakingnews.sy / Fort Russ (http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/04/the-truth-behind-khan-sheikhoun.html)
Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:55 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s19/388141/large/White_Helmets_chem_idlib.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s19/388141/full/White_Helmets_chem_idlib.jpg)
Someone tell the White Helmets that Sarin exposure works through skin contact.And when was the last time we gave a shit what Russia veto's in the UN? We are just like YOU. We do what the f*ck we want to.

[NightTrain]

Idlib "chemical weapons attack" reality: Syria bombed REBEL chemical weapons storehouse, Russia says military support will continue, vetoes U.S./UK/France UN resolution (https://www.sott.net/article/347316-Idlib-chemical-weapons-attack-reality-Syria-bombed-REBEL-chemical-weapons-storehouse-Russia-says-military-support-will-continue-vetoes-US-UK-France-UN-resolution)

Samer Hussein (translator)
Breakingnews.sy / Fort Russ (http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/04/the-truth-behind-khan-sheikhoun.html)
Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:55 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s19/388141/large/White_Helmets_chem_idlib.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s19/388141/full/White_Helmets_chem_idlib.jpg)
Someone tell the White Helmets that Sarin exposure works through skin contact.



But you Russians told us and the world that you removed and destroyed all the Chemical Weapons in Syria.

How is this possible?

[jimnyc]

SO basically he was too stupid to know that Assad was geneally a bad guy.

Ummm, no. I know he's a bad guy. I know the little fat guy in NK is dangerous as hell - but "me" - I don't know anything about the intelligence they have on them, what the generals know and the things that are confidential and not shared with the public. One would be naive to think these things may not make a difference.

I'll ask you what I asked others - did he have access to intelligence when he made comments about Obama? He was an idiot on twitter, said that all along. But him saying something about Obama 3 years ago or so - he was replying with the same info that you and I have, with 0 intelligence, and 0 briefings from the generals in charge.

He could have been 60,00000000000000% against it - and then changed his mind when he saw some dead children, and that would be 100% understandable to me.

[jimnyc]

Some will complain. But you know you're on the right track when even the majority of democrats are on board as well. The only thing to put folks in alignment behind him - is if congress is now approached about the whole thing.

But contrary to what some believe, what he did was 100% legal, and as of right now doesn't need to get approval.

[Balu]

But you Russians told us and the world that you removed and destroyed all the Chemical Weapons in Syria.

How is this possible?

Us? You are mistaken.

"...Syrian Deputy Foreign and Expatriates Minister Faisal Mekdad confirmed that the Syrian government provided the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and the United Nations Security Council with necessary documentation and reports which prove that the chemicals, used in yesterday's gas attack on Khan Sheikhoun in Idleb province, were in fact stored and possessed by the terrorist groups, operating in the area.

Mekdad said that the media reports, surrounding the events, were used as a tool of distortion and falsification of facts, noting that Syria has fulfilled all obligations to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, with the latter already verifying this. ..."

How it could happen (if it happened)? - The chemicals available at the territories occupied by terrorist whom the USA keep on supporting and supplying the weapons could get or manufactured themselves. The point could be cleared, but the USA were afraid and rejected to conduct the full scale international investigation. Insted they start bombing.
P.S.
I believe that those "rescuers" who are on the picture have already been dully buried.

[Gunny]

But you Russians told us and the world that you removed and destroyed all the Chemical Weapons in Syria.

How is this possible?I'm sure it worked. Right?

I'll tell you this ... sitting in the desert heat in MOPP3 hoping you just get to go home and see your kids SUCKS. You're scared to death 24-7. I had to send more Marines back to the boat from breaking down from stress than anything else. I stayed on the line but I was a total nutcase when I got back from the Gulf War. Lost my family.

We go over there and kick their asses into Hell or don't go. We weren't afraid of battle. It was dying from some sneaky ass bullshit you can't fight.

[Drummond]

Idlib "chemical weapons attack" reality: Syria bombed REBEL chemical weapons storehouse, Russia says military support will continue, vetoes U.S./UK/France UN resolution (https://www.sott.net/article/347316-Idlib-chemical-weapons-attack-reality-Syria-bombed-REBEL-chemical-weapons-storehouse-Russia-says-military-support-will-continue-vetoes-US-UK-France-UN-resolution)

Samer Hussein (translator)
Breakingnews.sy / Fort Russ (http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/04/the-truth-behind-khan-sheikhoun.html)
Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:55 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s19/388141/large/White_Helmets_chem_idlib.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s19/388141/full/White_Helmets_chem_idlib.jpg)
Someone tell the White Helmets that Sarin exposure works through skin contact.

I don't think that Americans and Europeans are stupid to such an extent that may be manipulated by the donkey "lovers". Everything seems to be much worse.

... and, there we have it. Not only mere 'interference', but an outright veto, courtesy, not least, of Russia.

So tell me, Balu, why your people are pushing so hard to have one version win through, and why you moved to veto its alternative ? An investigation .. and you moved to VETO it ?

What do you have to fear ? If the Syrian / Russian account is correct, the investigation would've discovered that.

I said it before, I'm saying it again now -- this STINKS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39543202


Russia is to blame for "every civilian death" in the chemical weapons attack last week in Syria, Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has claimed. Sir Michael, writing in the Sunday Times, said the Kremlin was responsible "by proxy" as the "principal backer" of President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

It comes after Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson cancelled a visit to Moscow to meet his opposite number.

The attack has been widely blamed on the Syrian government.

Sir Michael said last Tuesday's gas attack was "barbaric, immoral and illegal" and the response of air strikes from US President Donald Trump was "the right call".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39500947


Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commanding officer of the British Armed Forces Joint Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment, said Russia's assertion that the strikes had hit rebel chemical weapons were "pretty fanciful".

"Axiomatically, if you blow up Sarin, you destroy it," he told the BBC.

Experts say the explosion resulting from an air strike on a chemical weapons facility would most likely incinerate any agents. Sarin and other nerve agents are also usually stocked in a "binary manner", which means they are kept as two distinct chemical precursors that are combined just before use, either manually or automatically inside a weapon when launched.

"It's very clear it's a Sarin attack," Mr de Bretton-Gordon added. "The view that it's an al-Qaeda or rebel stockpile of Sarin that's been blown up in an explosion, I think is completely unsustainable and completely untrue."

He also noted that chlorine was the only chemical believed to have been used in attacks in Aleppo over the past year.

[Balu]

... and, there we have it. Not only mere 'interference', but an outright veto, courtesy, not least, of Russia.

So tell me, Balu, why your people are pushing so hard to have one version win through, and why you moved to veto its alternative ? An investigation .. and you VETOED it, it seems.

I said it before, I'm saying it again now -- this STINKS.

Why would Russia and Syria fear that investigation ?

Now follow the text and stop LYING impertinently and intentionally - THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION Russia INSISTED ON but only unfounded accusations from the USA and their swaggers.


Responding to those remarks, the Russian Federation’s representative said the draft resolution was intended only to exert pressure on the Joint Investigative Mechanism to ensure it produced “facts that you need”. Indeed, interest in the attack was interwoven with the “anti-Damascus campaign”, he added, emphasizing that, according to the Russian Federation’s information, it was Syria that had requested OPCW to investigate the events of 4 April. He said that his delegation objected to the draft’s reliance on falsified reports and to the hasty preparation of the text. The draft should condemn the use of chemical weapons by any party, and urge the fact-finding mission to write up thorough reports, he said, stressing that its current efforts could not be called impartial.


https://www.un.org/press/en/2017/sc12777.doc.htm

[Balu]

Ordered Censored by Trump: Swedish Medical Associations Says White Helmets Murdered Kids for Fake Gas Attack Videos



Children Murdered for Propaganda Videos
Swedish Doctors For Human Rights (swedhr.org) analysed videos, the rescue after an alleged attack by Syrian government forces. The doctors found that the videos were counterfeit, where even Arabic stage directions were overheard, and that the alleged “Rescue” in actuality is a murder.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/04/06/swedish-medical-associations-says-white-helmets-murdered-kids-for-fake-gas-attack-videos/

[Balu]

Should there be a censorship in you Free country you may find below the material in question:

<section class="post-lead">Ordered Censored by Trump: Swedish Medical Associations Says White Helmets Murdered Kids for Fake Gas Attack Videos

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor (http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/gordonduff/) on April 6, 2017
Trump and McMaster Ordered US Army Cyber Command to "take out VT's servers" to prevent you from reading this article...according to congressional source
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Introduction by Gordon Duff (http://www.veteranstoday.com/staff-writers)
President Trump is now threatening to take America into a war against Syria, Iran and even Russia, a war he says is justified by “evidence” he has received from the Syrian White Helmets. We will prove beyond any doubt that this is a “Deep State” organization, a melding of CIA, al Qaeda and Britain’s intelligence services. We now have “slam dunk” proof that Trump and the “fake news” MSM are and always have been in lockstep, playing us all.
Actor George Clooney knew that the organization Swedish Doctors for Human Rights had cited the “White Helmets” as child killers when he produced the Oscar winning propaganda video that may well have led to this latest outrage. The organization, SWEDHR is very real, their work authoritative and their indictment of the White Helmets for killing children in order to stage propaganda videos would have been known to Clooney and Netflix. They went ahead anyway. Why?
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George Clooney: Accused by Swedish medical group of promoting child murder videos

Moreover, Google itself is involved, at war with this group and others, censoring them from their search engines. The information here will be new to Americans.
Please note that at no time has the White House or any western media acknowledged the controversy regarding the White Helmets, which we allege is part of al Qaeda’s propaganda operations. Nor is any mention of the dozens of proven gas attacks by FSA, ISIS and al Nusra which are suddenly “forgotten” as though by magic.
The White Helmets, supposedly an independent NGO, receives up to $100m from the CIA and UK Foreign Office, “dark project” funding. Murdering children is their stock and trade as we will prove. Sharing headquarters with Turkish Intelligence in Gaziantep, Turkey this organization is far more “death squad” than civil defense. Please review the included videos.

____________Children Murdered for Propaganda Videos
Swedish Doctors For Human Rights (swedhr.org) analysed videos, the rescue after an alleged attack by Syrian government forces. The doctors found that the videos were counterfeit, where even Arabic stage directions were overheard, and that the alleged “Rescue” in actuality is a murder. On first analysis, it looked as though the doctors working on the child assumed he was already dead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAxg9_T-W7Y


However, after broader investigation, our team ascertained that the boy was unconscious from an overdose of opiates. The video shows the child receiving injections in his chest, perhaps in the area of the heart and was eventually killed while a clearly fake adrenaline injection was administered.
This was a murder.
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The doctors determined in its analysis:

• The video should be life-saving measures after a chemical attack with chlorine gas (now claimed to be Sarin-not possible), including injection of adrenaline via syringe with a long needle into the heart of an infant. In no way were treatments correctly given for any potential chemical agent.
• The handling and treatment of the child was done in a manner that was careless, dangerous and likely to cause serious harm.
• Most telling is the fake repeated shots of adrenalin, supposedly into the heart. The medical personnel, and I think we can safely call them actors at this point, failed to push the plunger on the needle. Thus, the contents of the syringe were never injected as is clearly visible in the video itself.
• The visible diagnosis by a team of actual medical experts, based on what is observed in the video, indicates that the child was suffering from an injection of opiates and was likely dying of an overdose. There is no evidence of any other agent, chemical or otherwise.
• None of the children in the videos showed any sign of being a victim of a chemical attack. From an earlier video by the White Helmets:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXz9ww7JY4


• It was clear that the faked injection with the long needle administered through the stitches murdered the child in the video. This was a purposeful killing staged to appear as medical treatment.
• Behind the fake translation of the videos, the actual Arabic included stage directions for positioning the child for the video, not for medical treatment.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAaReVn2I4


• The videos were on the White Helmets-channel “Syrian civil defense in idlib province” uploaded. The videos were produced by the White Helmets, together with the organization “coordinating sarmin”, their logo a black jihadist flag (Al Qaeda). In the video are also white helmets to see.
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God Bless the Swedes – Chairman de Noli

The Chairman of the association, Professor Prof. Marcello fer rada de Noli, published at the beginning of March 2017 a first article with an analysis of the case: “Swedish Doctors for Human Rights: White Helmets video, macabre manipulation of dead children and staged chemical weapons attack to justify a” No-fly Zone “in Syria”.
This was followed by more macabre discoveries in the videos not seen initially in the article White Helmets Movie: Updated Evidence from Swedish Doctors Confirm Fake Life Saving Practices Injure Children.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nj6fc69qjM


The collective findings of the Swedish doctors (swedhr) with regard to the propaganda and fakery by al-Qaeda in Syria: (Al Nusra) are in line with the findings of leading German and International Scientists for Syria War.
Ferrada de Noli is the founder and chairman of Swedish Doctors for Human Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Doctors_for_Human_Rights) (SWEDHR),[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Ferrada_de_Noli#cite_note-36) a non governmental research organization integrated by a group of professors and doctors operating in health-related areas, aimed to the research and report of effects of war atrocities in civil populations, torture of prisoners and human rights transgressions.
The organization implements its endeavour in the following areas: country-scenarios were civil populations have been targeted by war crimes, transgressions by the part of governments on the human rights of individuals exposing war crimes, individual cases of doctors subjected to human rights violations, and research on the effects of torture in prisoners. See further description in the organization’s Manifest.[37]
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Ferrada_de_Noli#cite_note-37)The first elected board of SWEDHR was composed by Leif Elinder, Marcello Ferrada de Noli (Chairman), Martin Gelin, Alberto Gutierrez, Ove B. Johansson, Lena Oske, Armando Popa, Anders Romelsjö (Vice-Chairman), Marita Troye-Blomberg, and Luz Varela.[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Ferrada_de_Noli#cite_note-38) In 2015 Ferrada de Noli founded with a group of European academics and publishers the magazine online The Indicter (http://www.theindicter.com/), being elected editor-in-chief (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor-in-chief).[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Ferrada_de_Noli#cite_note-39)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijcA3LCKCl0


Swedish Professors & Doctors For Human Rights (SWEDHR) is an independent, non-profit, non-partisan, non-governmental organization engaged in the research and reporting on the effects of war-crimes, torture and human-rights transgressions on civilian populations or on individuals.
Additionally, we oppose governmental assaults on the human rights of individuals who have denounced war crimes or exposed serious infringements to the civil liberties of the population. Unlike other established Swedish human-rights organizations, Swedish Doctors For Human Rights is not sponsored neither fully nor partially financed by Swedish governmental institutions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgGNzj6rKqI


SWEDHR is a team formed with the participation of a number of Swedish professors, PhDs, medical doctors and university researchers in the medical sciences and health-related disciplines. This participation is purely voluntary and made on a private basis.
SWEDHR statements represent solely the members of this organization, not all Swedish doctors or any other institution or professional/academic association that the participants in SWEDHR are associated with. SWEDHR follows both the United Nations doctrine on Human Rights and ethical norms according to the World Medical Association’s Ethical Declaration of Helsinki. Read on our organization’s aims and rationale for its foundation at Swedhr’s Manifest (http://swedhr.org/swedhr-manifest/).
At difference with other organizations of this type in Sweden, SWEDHR a) do not administrate funds of any kind, b) it does not hold neither asks economic sponsoring from any governmental, corporative or private institution; c) it does not collect fees (meddlemsavgift) from its supporters; d) it does not campaign on economic-related issues associated with our HR endeavours. We also believe that abstaining from the aforementioned possibility of external contributions is one way of maintaining absolute independence and credibility regarding unbiased reporting of HR issues.
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Answering in advance the questions which may arise. All these materials are available and discussed in Russian forums. So, for me it was an initial impact to find the originals and share it with you.
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[Drummond]

Now follow the text and stop LYING impertinently and intentionally - THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION Russia INSISTED ON but only unfounded accusations from the USA and their swaggers.

A draft resolution, Balu, is rather more than just 'unfounded accusations'. The draft in question was meant to facilitate an investigation. It was not a propaganda exercise.

We leave such things to you, Balu.

Now, be honest and candid. DO YOU agree that such an investigation should NOT have any impediment blocking its progress ? OR, are you of the opinion that the world is just required to believe all you say, without any recourse to verification, that we all get blindsided by your interpretative approach and attempts to taint our perception of the matter ??

Forget 'swaggers' ... that's just rhetoric on your part, conveying an arrogant mindset. I'd much rather that dispassionate objectivity prevailed. Which is why I, for one, would've wanted to see the draft Resolution go to full ratification, and the investigation proceed without delay.

BUT THAT IS NOT YOUR OWN POSITION, OR THAT OF YOUR COUNTRYMEN, IS IT, BALU ? BETTER TO 'RUBBISH' SUCH EFFORTS THAN SEE THEIR OBJECTIVE SUCCEED.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you, yourself, fully approve of any efforts at proper and unfettered investigation. And forget the derisory rhetoric.

While you're at it, face facts as they're already known .. that Sarin was involved, and that the Russian version of events, as I've already posted, doesn't even make logical sense.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?58744-More-Chemical-Weapon-Use-In-Syria&p=863187#post863187

[sear]

I support an unbiased investigation.
But it's not always easy to get to the truth, when the war-zone to be investigated is considered hostile territory (& when the sovereign is guilty, and has plenty to hide).

[Drummond]

I support an unbiased investigation.
But it's not always easy to get to the truth, when the war-zone to be investigated is considered hostile territory (& when the sovereign is guilty, and has plenty to hide).

Nevertheless, all possible efforts should be made. The draft UN Resolution received strong opposition from Russia and Syria, regardless of the fact that it offered the promise of the necessary outcome.

I want Balu to get beyond his propaganda and agree that on-the-spot, unfettered investigative work is what's needed, and should be worked towards. All I've seen of late comes across as an attempt to muddy the waters. Squabbles about precise wording and perceived posturing are counterproductive to the objective that is needed.

[Balu]

I support an unbiased investigation.
But it's not always easy to get to the truth, when the war-zone to be investigated is considered hostile territory (& when the sovereign is guilty, and has plenty to hide).

AFTER missile strike?
And WHO and by which reasons has already determined a guilty party as there WAS NO full scale investigation? You? But who are you and who gave YOU a right to make verdicts?

http://ru-an.info/Photo/QNews/n4180/1.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I support an unbiased investigation.
But it's not always easy to get to the truth, when the war-zone to be investigated is considered hostile territory (& when the sovereign is guilty, and has plenty to hide).

So before getting to the truth of exactly who did the attack, we just bomb the forces there that actually are fighting our enemy ISIS.
WHO CAME UP WITH THIS AWESOME BRILLIANT STRATEGY??
Maybe we should have bombed London when Pearl Harbor was hit!!!

Here is a hint, just for you-since you are so damn slow on the uptake..

Only benefit from us wrongly bombing Assad forces is ISIS!!!
ISIS, STANDS NO CHANCE AGAINST Assad's air force, so we start bombing it!!

I was smarter than this crap by age 12........

Muzzys= +1
Those they seek to destroy = -1

Trump's first huge mistake, listening to whatever ffng moron advised this, IMHO ....-Tyr

[Drummond]

AFTER missile strike?

A missile strike made ... where, Balu ?

The location of the toxin release, and all of its casualties ? Or, somewhere else ?

I refer you to my previous posting. Do you have a dispassionate, propaganda-free answer for me, regarding having on-the-spot investigations carried out to investigate the atrocity ?

[Balu]

So before getting to the truth of exactly who did the attack, we just bomb the forces there that actually are fighting our enemy ISIS.
WHO CAME UP WITH THIS AWESOME BRILLIANT STRATEGY??
Maybe we should have bombed London when Pearl Harbor was hit!!!

Here is a hint, just for you-since you are so damn slow on the uptake..

Only benefit from us wrongly bombing Assad forces is ISIS!!!
ISIS, STANDS NO CHANCE AGAINST Assad's air force, so we start bombing it!!

I was smarter than this crap by age 12........

Muzzys= +1
Those they seek to destroy = -1

Trump's first huge mistake, listening to whatever ffng moron advised this, IMHO ....-Tyr
To follow today's logic Poland must be accused in starting WWII because of their attacking the German radio station in September 1st, 1939!

[Kathianne]

AFTER missile strike?
And WHO and by which reasons has already determined a guilty party as there WAS NO full scale investigation? You? But who are you and who gave YOU a right to make verdicts?

While you may be a paid mouth for the Kremlin, those speaking here are not speaking for the US government, even those that were in the military are now retired. As you duly noted during the election, there were many opinions on the various candidates and how each said they'd vote. We do have diversity of opinion. We do tend to rally around our country in times of outside conflict, as illustrated that while our Senate went to 'nuclear option,' over SCOTUS confirmation, about 75% agreed with the President's actions in Syria.

Meanwhile, YOU try to bring up an 'investigation' of chemical attack in Syria should have been prior to consequences, the voice piece for the Russian regime, the same regime that at best seemed to be complicit if not organizing the bombing of a hospital to remove the evidence, (the chemical attacked survivors), if not the driving force for the bombing.

[Drummond]

So before getting to the truth of exactly who did the attack, we just bomb the forces there that actually are fighting our enemy ISIS.
WHO CAME UP WITH THIS AWESOME BRILLIANT STRATEGY??
Maybe we should have bombed London when Pearl Harbor was hit!!!

Here is a hint, just for you-since you are so damn slow on the uptake..

Only benefit from us wrongly bombing Assad forces is ISIS!!!
ISIS, STANDS NO CHANCE AGAINST Assad's air force, so we start bombing it!!

I was smarter than this crap by age 12........

Muzzys= +1
Those they seek to destroy = -1

Trump's first huge mistake, listening to whatever ffng moron advised this, IMHO ....-Tyr

Terrorism cannot be defended, Tyr.

ISIS needs to be defeated. Muslim terrorism itself needs to be defeated.

But two wrongs don't make a right. An Assad-ordered release of a chemical toxin designed to kill and maim, as a result of an attack, violates international convention. Its nature of action is akin to Saddam's gassing of the Kurds, for example.

Such an attack from Assad, even if it was meant to kill terrorists, was, by its very nature, likely to involve the innocent and guilty alike. In fact, according to our own media, it was pictures of dead children which persuaded Trump that he had to get involved and to act.

National leaders can claim to hold their positions with legitimacy. Assad can make that claim. Saddam, it can be argued, also could. Likewise some of the nastiest, deadliest leaders the world has seen could say the very same. Stalin, for example, could have.

But does that mean it's OK to just sit back and let them do their worst ?

We need independent verification of what occurred ... we need investigations carried out. Russia and Syria have acted to block the Resolution that would've facilitated that outcome.

I wonder .. why.

[sear]

"AFTER missile strike?
And WHO and by which reasons has already determined a guilty party as there WAS NO full scale investigation? You?" B #100

You flatter me.
But no. I have never been to Syria.

Instead, I do as most of the rest that post here do at this recreational BBS. (perhaps even you)
I expressed my lay opinion based on the same sources you have access to:
- newspapers of record
- talking heads TV shows where we can get it straight from the horse's mouth: MTP, FNS, etc

"But who are you and who gave YOU a right to make verdicts?" B #100

Ah!
The refuge of the desperate and dishonest!
"Verdicts" *?

I've got countless news feeds, TV, radio, Internet, and print (ink on paper).
When these media deliver reports from sources that corroborate one another, I take it as an indication that the story they report is fairly accurate.
And when their stories contradict, I deduce it's too early in the incident reporting, and reserve judgement for a consistent, coherent picture.

"So before getting to the truth of exactly who did the attack, we just bomb the forces there that actually are fighting our enemy ISIS."

It's a mystery what's snarled your panties into such a tangle here Gertrude.
But know it or not, believe it or not, like it or not, admit it or not, Assad is a monster.
And Assad has had Syria a Hell hole for half a decade now; perhaps among the highest concentrations of human misery on Earth, partly responsible for "the worst refugee crisis in Western Europe since WWII."

"WHO CAME UP WITH THIS AWESOME BRILLIANT STRATEGY??" TZ

The U.S. senior war-planners in the Pentagon. But it was New York Military Academy graduate President Trump (R-NY) that approved it.

President Trump owns it now. [ref: Art.2 Sect.2-1 / United States Constitution]

"Trump's first huge mistake, listening to whatever ffng moron advised this, IMHO ....-Tyr"

That was quite a long waltz for such a tidy summation.
Next time, please spare us the fancy footwork. Sticking to the topic makes more sense.

You and I both know, tactically, Trump's bitch-slap of Assad doesn't amount to a pin-prick.
Reports are the airfield we struck was conducting military combat operations (against Syria) the next day.

So it was at best, a feel-good move; something to make Trump feel like he's done something, when all he's done is blown about $100 $Million on sending a message to Assad that: the U.S. military under the command of President Trump is perhaps more impotent than ever, or at least as impotent as it has been since the Reagan administration.

* verdict (vûr´dîkt) nou1.Law. The finding of a jury in a trial.
2.An expressed conclusion; a judgment or an opinion: the verdict of history.

[Middle English verdit, from Anglo-Norman : ver, true (from Latin vêrus) + dit, speech (from Latin dictum, from neuter past participle of dìcere, to say).]

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.

[NightTrain]

Us? You are mistaken.

"...Syrian Deputy Foreign and Expatriates Minister Faisal Mekdad confirmed that the Syrian government provided the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and the United Nations Security Council with necessary documentation and reports which prove that the chemicals, used in yesterday's gas attack on Khan Sheikhoun in Idleb province, were in fact stored and possessed by the terrorist groups, operating in the area.

Mekdad said that the media reports, surrounding the events, were used as a tool of distortion and falsification of facts, noting that Syria has fulfilled all obligations to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, with the latter already verifying this. ..."

How it could happen (if it happened)? - The chemicals available at the territories occupied by terrorist whom the USA keep on supporting and supplying the weapons could get or manufactured themselves. The point could be cleared, but the USA were afraid and rejected to conduct the full scale international investigation. Insted they start bombing.
P.S.
I believe that those "rescuers" who are on the picture have already been dully buried.


No.

An agreement was reached with Russia in 2013 to remove & destroy all Chemical Weapons in exchange for not attacking Assad after multiple chemical weapons attacks. There were at least 4 assaults involving Chem Weapons prior to the agreement which prompted UN intervention.

It is a War Crime to use such weapons, something I know you're well aware of.

Here is the framework agreed upon :


Annex B

Joint Framework on Destruction of Syrian CW


The Russian Federation and the United States of America agree on the need to achieve rapid elimination of Syria’s chemical weapons, thus reducing the threatposed to the people of Syria. They are each prepared to devote high-level attention and resources to support the monitoring and destruction mission of the OPCW, both directly and in cooperation with the United Nations and other States concerned. They agree to set an ambitious goal of eliminating the threat in a rapid and effective manner.


Both parties agree that a clear picture of the state of Syrian chemical weapons could help advance a cooperative development of destruction options, includingpossible removal of chemical weapons outside of the Syrian territory. We agree on the importance of rapid destruction of the following categories:


1. Production equipment


2. Mixing and filling equipment


3. Filled and unfilled weapons and delivery systems


4. Chemical agents (unweaponized) and precursor chemicals. For these materials, they will pursue a hybrid approach, i.e., a combination of removal fromSyria and destruction within Syria, depending upon site-specific conditions. They will also consider the possibility of consolidation and destruction in thecoastal area of Syria.


5. Material and equipment related to the research and development of chemical weapons.


The two parties agree to utilize the “universal matrix”, developed in the course of consultations by our two National Security Councils, as the basis for an actionable plan.


They agree that the elimination of chemical weapons in Syria should be considered an urgent matter to be implemented within the shortest possible time period.


The parties agree to set the following target dates:


A. Completion of initial OPCW on-site inspections by November.


B. Destruction of production and mixing/filling equipment by November.


C. Complete elimination of all chemical weapons material and equipment in the first half of 2014.


The Russian Federation and the United States will work together closely, including with the OPCW, the UN and Syrian parties to arrange for the security of the monitoring and destruction mission, noting the primary responsibility of the Syrian government in this regard.

https://www.scribd.com/document/168153657/Framework-for-elimination-of-Syrian-chemical-weapons#fullscreen&from_embed


Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov cut this deal, and you Russians were supposed to make this happen. June 30th 2014 was the deadline for 100% removal of Assad's chemical weapons.

Either Russia is complicit in deception regarding the removal and destruction of these weapons or Assad played Putin for a fool.

Which is it?

[sear]

"Either Russia is complicit in deception regarding the removal and destruction of these weapons or Assad played Putin for a fool.
Which is it?" NT

OR !!

There was technical compliance, after which Assad updated his chem. weapons arsenal, replacing his cleaning fluid stockpile with genuine nerve agents such as Sarin.