Constantinople fell... now it's Istanbul... what's next?

[ruslanbag43]

How often do You wonder what will be left after You? That will have Your descendants?
Of course, each of You is very important to be made now, to be safe, to leave a safer world for their children... but how far You look ahead?
Today I see the end of the Western World at least in Europe. Of course this is just the outlines... but the Europeans have no future, 100-200 years, and Europe will not be part of the Western World. Elevating liberal values in the absolute they accept Muslim brothers who will never accept them, Muslims will always be loyal to their traditions and their culture, Constantinople had fallen... there Istambul.

Understand whether the representatives of Western Civilization that they are doomed? Your liberalism, democracy, progmatizm, commercialism and the birth rate as pandas... it robs you of heritage.

You can get mad or laugh at these words... but each of you feels it... the Western World has no future. Your civilization will slowly disappear among Muslims and it will be only history.
Look, we have more than twenty years ago. Constantinople, Berlin, Paris, London, New York... to be new names for these cities.
What do you think? Do you believe in a brighter future?

[LongTermGuy]

How often do You wonder what will be left after You? That will have Your descendants?
Of course, each of You is very important to be made now, to be safe, to leave a safer world for their children... but how far You look ahead?
Today I see the end of the Western World at least in Europe. Of course this is just the outlines... but the Europeans have no future, 100-200 years, and Europe will not be part of the Western World. Elevating liberal values in the absolute they accept Muslim brothers who will never accept them, Muslims will always be loyal to their traditions and their culture, Constantinople had fallen... there Istambul.

Understand whether the representatives of Western Civilization that they are doomed? Your liberalism, democracy, progmatizm, commercialism and the birth rate as pandas... it robs you of heritage.

You can get mad or laugh at these words... but each of you feels it... the Western World has no future. Your civilization will slowly disappear among Muslims and it will be only history.
Look, we have more than twenty years ago. Constantinople, Berlin, Paris, London, New York... to be new names for these cities.
What do you think? Do you believe in a brighter future?

Smells more like wishful thinking.....without the western world....many would go back to camels...taking siestas after working the fields... and chucking spears at bambi for dinner....toys they received from the western world...will not work anymore....and no more parts....


When the western world realizes that being nice to `Unappreciative` lower life forms...is not the way to go....Things will Improve...."They" ...had their chance..."they" blew it....

[Abbey Marie]

How often do You wonder what will be left after You? That will have Your descendants?
Of course, each of You is very important to be made now, to be safe, to leave a safer world for their children... but how far You look ahead?
Today I see the end of the Western World at least in Europe. Of course this is just the outlines... but the Europeans have no future, 100-200 years, and Europe will not be part of the Western World. Elevating liberal values in the absolute they accept Muslim brothers who will never accept them, Muslims will always be loyal to their traditions and their culture, Constantinople had fallen... there Istambul.

Understand whether the representatives of Western Civilization that they are doomed? Your liberalism, democracy, progmatizm, commercialism and the birth rate as pandas... it robs you of heritage.

You can get mad or laugh at these words... but each of you feels it... the Western World has no future. Your civilization will slowly disappear among Muslims and it will be only history.
Look, we have more than twenty years ago. Constantinople, Berlin, Paris, London, New York... to be new names for these cities.
What do you think? Do you believe in a brighter future?

Honestly, the way liberals are pushing their doomed policies, it is possible.

[aboutime]

Though I tend to want to say YOU MAY BE RIGHT. I have a hard lined response, as an AMERICAN, and as an American VETERAN. That....Even though the U.S.A. is divided...for the fringes of the Liberally trained, educationally starved portions of our population...I, LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICANS, refuse to allow, or even consider GIVING UP the Rights, Freedoms, and Liberties we have, and must Guard with our lives to preserve this nation.

Honestly speaking, from my humble, old heart here. Though I doubt I will be around for many more decades...I have CONFIDENCE, WE THE PEOPLE who honestly care about our nation....WILL LOOK, AND ACT MUCH LIKE JAPAN'S PEOPLE DID....Prior to the ending of the Second World War...and the TWO nuclear bombs dropped in 1945.

In other words. ISLAMIC, or MUSLIM Terrorists who threaten our nation WILL HAVE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS in their way. And the LIBERAL CRYBABIES, PACIFISTS, and PERPETUALLY COWARDICE MEMBERS OF OUR POPULATION will be crying for protection.

[ruslanbag43]

Though I tend to want to say YOU MAY BE RIGHT. I have a hard lined response, as an AMERICAN, and as an American VETERAN. That....Even though the U.S.A. is divided...for the fringes of the Liberally trained, educationally starved portions of our population...I, LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICANS, refuse to allow, or even consider GIVING UP the Rights, Freedoms, and Liberties we have, and must Guard with our lives to preserve this nation.

Honestly speaking, from my humble, old heart here. Though I doubt I will be around for many more decades...I have CONFIDENCE, WE THE PEOPLE who honestly care about our nation....WILL LOOK, AND ACT MUCH LIKE JAPAN'S PEOPLE DID....Prior to the ending of the Second World War...and the TWO nuclear bombs dropped in 1945.

In other words. ISLAMIC, or MUSLIM Terrorists who threaten our nation WILL HAVE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS in their way. And the LIBERAL CRYBABIES, PACIFISTS, and PERPETUALLY COWARDICE MEMBERS OF OUR POPULATION will be crying for protection.
No, the Western World will not go under the terrorist bombs, these things can't break a civilization.
Why I wrote about Constantinople? After studying its history one can see the future. All his ambitions, the Byzantine Empire spread its culture and religion, many people enjoy taking it. Take the same Romania, her name is not just in tune with Rome, Constantinople was considered the second Rome... but in the borders of the Empire of Byzantium, a new culture, a new religion - Islam. These people did not accept the orders of Christians, although it became part of the Empire, and Constantinople fell before it was conquered by Mehmed 2. Do not intrigue the Orthodox and the Catholics broke the Empire, and the citizens who were not part of the Christian world, who did not want to be a part of it.
The Western World will not overcome this crisis because it will not destroy and replace from the inside.
And you say bomb... they don't need, you will do everything to destroy your civilization.

[darin]

And you say bomb... they don't need, you will do everything to destroy your civilization.

agreed. We are destroying western civilization through embracing 'progressive' points of view.

[Kathianne]

I think that Western Civilization is being lost because generations of those that have benefitted from it have decided that it was not worth teaching the next generations about what was right about it, then emphasizing what wrongs were done. None was put into the contexts of the times. Today it's just not being taught at all.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Honestly, the way liberals are pushing their doomed policies, it is possible.

Western world, once represented the light, now has became rotting fruit-due to many factors.
In America 's case its due to public education having been taken over by the so-called enlightened liberals.
Go to the decision to allow, and promote the murder millions of our babies, after that decision, we descended into the depths of darkness-disguised as light.
Islam is true darkness/evil (for over 1400 years),that hides not its savagery and murder..Islam in its bloody history(conquering expansion) has murdered over 250 million innocent people.
It will, if not properly faced(by extreme, dire and drastic actions) conquer us by leading us into appeasement and weakness.
Islam when weaker uses the very best deceptive tactics known to mankind and when stronger uses the very worst and most inhuman actions known to mankind to destroy ALL that do not convert or willingly become its slaves...
Any decent study of Islam's history will prove my words to be solid truth...
TRUTH IS--IT MUST BE DESTROYED...
And there is the bridge most do not want to cross and thus the shield that has let this insidious evil and murdering cult operate under the guise of being a peaceful religion.

BIG QUESTION IS, WILL WE WAKE UP TOO LATE?
For that is the propaganda and appeasement goals (promoted by dem party/ libs and other morons), to keep up asleep until Islam gains the upper-hand and the power to go full on genocide.-TYR

[Balu]

I think that Western Civilization is being lost because generations of those that have benefitted from it have decided that it was not worth teaching the next generations about what was right about it, then emphasizing what wrongs were done. None was put into the contexts of the times. Today it's just not being taught at all.

Fine that you started speaking in terms of Civilizations, but not countries. It is necessary to recognize that besides so called Western Civilization there are the other, more ancient, which still exist. And between them there was and is a permanent struggle or coexistence, and in a course of struggle some Civilizations sometimes even disappeared from the Earth. As to Western Civilization this is the worth thing to think over what were the sources of its growth, by which juices it was fed, and what are the reasons of its present downswing.

[Kathianne]

Fine that you started speaking in terms of Civilizations, but not countries. It is necessary to recognize that besides so called Western Civilization there are the other, more ancient, which still exist. And between them there was and is a permanent struggle or coexistence, and in a course of struggle some Civilizations sometimes even disappeared from the Earth. As to Western Civilization this is the worth thing to think over what were the sources of its growth, by which juices it was fed, and what are the reasons of its present downswing.

Western Civ is based upon the ancient, not 'countries.' Monotheism from ancient Hebrew. Polytheism as practiced by Romans, Greeks, and others. What those ancient civilizations borrowed from the East, especially China, Iraq, Iran, India.

Then what was saved by the Church during the Middle Ages, the thought that came out with the Renaissance and Reformation. Bridges to modern Western Civ.

Think Plato, Aristotle, The Torah, The Bible as a whole, the sophists, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Cincinnatus, etc.

The British system of ruling, including the rule of law, were very important to construction of the US Constitution, which has been a major influence in much of the modern world.

[Balu]

Western Civ is based upon the ancient, not 'countries.' Monotheism from ancient Hebrew. Polytheism as practiced by Romans, Greeks, and others. What those ancient civilizations borrowed from the East, especially China, Iraq, Iran, India.

Then what was saved by the Church during the Middle Ages, the thought that came out with the Renaissance and Reformation. Bridges to modern Western Civ.

Think Plato, Aristotle, The Torah, The Bible as a whole, the sophists, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Cincinnatus, etc.

The British system of ruling, including the rule of law, were very important to construction of the US Constitution, which has been a major influence in much of the modern world.
It sounds debatable if start to consider Romans, Greek, Dutch, Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Anglo-Saxon expansion, their results and consequences.

[Kathianne]

It sounds debatable if start to consider Romans, Greek, Dutch, Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Anglo-Saxon expansion, their results and consequences.
Ah, that was the beauty, observe what happened, (i.e. Democracy and attendant problems in Athens.) Learn from the mistakes, borrow from successes.

The learning was both in the practical and philosophical, and yes, even the ethical. That it's no longer being studied in higher education is a loss-much like the Dark Ages.

[Balu]

Ah, that was the beauty, observe what happened, (i.e. Democracy and attendant problems in Athens.) Learn from the mistakes, borrow from successes.

The learning was both in the practical and philosophical, and yes, even the ethical. That it's no longer being studied in higher education is a loss-much like the Dark Ages.

Sometimes I am looking at the world map and think about the distribution of the European languages all over the World wondering why the level of that countries is not so high as in Europe. But they are lucky folks to still exist yet. Some were not SO lucky. They've just disappeared.

[hjmick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcze7EGorOk

[Gunny]

Western Civ is based upon the ancient, not 'countries.' Monotheism from ancient Hebrew. Polytheism as practiced by Romans, Greeks, and others. What those ancient civilizations borrowed from the East, especially China, Iraq, Iran, India.

Then what was saved by the Church during the Middle Ages, the thought that came out with the Renaissance and Reformation. Bridges to modern Western Civ.

Think Plato, Aristotle, The Torah, The Bible as a whole, the sophists, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Cincinnatus, etc.

The British system of ruling, including the rule of law, were very important to construction of the US Constitution, which has been a major influence in much of the modern world.You're cracking me up, Kath. That little ass whipping had to sting.:laugh2:

The US Constitution is a direct ripoff of English law with a few tweaks. English law is based on Roman law. Which predates Russian law. The Magna Carta established democracy in the West. I would say Balu you just walked into the wrong hornets nest. You want to play history with Kath and me? This is going to be rich. I'd rather argue with her. At least knows WTF she's talking about. I've had my moments with her and I can tell you you're in the wrong ball park. Little League is down the road. :laugh2:

[Gunny]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcze7EGorOkConstantinople is on the European side. Istanbul is across the strait in mainland Turkey which is in Asia technically.

I hope like hell you didn't waste a portion of your life looking up that video. :laugh2:

[Kathianne]

Funny how things 'jump out' at us, when we've been thinking about something related.

http://tennesseestar.com/2017/04/03/the-constitution-a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it/


Constitution Series: A Republic, If You Can Keep It

It is brief, doesn't go into the particular influencers, (philosophers in the main), who helped construct the thinking of the Framers, but the gist of what transpired is there.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Funny how things 'jump out' at us, when we've been thinking about something related.

http://tennesseestar.com/2017/04/03/the-constitution-a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it/



It is brief, doesn't go into the particular influencers, (philosophers in the main), who helped construct the thinking of the Framers, but the gist of what transpired is there.

Greatest threat to this nation in regards to it possibly losing the Republic -is the dem party. A tragic fact(solid evidence of internal decay!)..
If they could have pulled it off, the dem traitors, would have installed obama for life, IMHO. -Tyr

[Kathianne]

Greatest threat to this nation in regards to it possibly losing the Republic -is the dem party. A tragic fact(solid evidence of internal decay!)..
If they could have pulled it off, the dem traitors, would have installed obama for life, IMHO. -Tyr

Not just the democrats.

[Balu]

Funny how things 'jump out' at us, when we've been thinking about something related.

http://tennesseestar.com/2017/04/03/the-constitution-a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it/



It is brief, doesn't go into the particular influencers, (philosophers in the main), who helped construct the thinking of the Framers, but the gist of what transpired is there.

Apache, Cherokee, what do you know about them? - These are brands of helicopters and cars. The monuments to gone Civilization, to those who were not lucky.

http://zbroya.info/storage/medias/2013/02/18/17/apache-helicopter-photos.jpg

http://2017god.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-2017-black.jpg

[Gunny]

Apache, Cherokee, what do you know about them? - These are brands of helicopters and cars. The monuments to gone Civilization, to those who were not lucky.

http://zbroya.info/storage/medias/2013/02/18/17/apache-helicopter-photos.jpg

http://2017god.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-2017-black.jpgWhat would you like to know avot them? Anything specific? They're names on cars.

The Apache are from the Southwestern US and northern Mexico. The Cherokee are from GA-Carolina. They were dragged to OK by the US government.

You want to discuss this without a bunch of dumbass pictures? I guarantee you the school bell rang.

[ruslanbag43]

Constantinople is on the European side. Istanbul is across the strait in mainland Turkey which is in Asia technically.

I hope like hell you didn't waste a portion of your life looking up that video. :laugh2:

Constantinople does not exist, it is still Istanbul, and no video this will not change.

[Gunny]

Constantinople does not exist, it is still Istanbul, and no video this will not change.I was talking history. Ilved in Turkey. I'm aware Constantinople does not exist any longer. My point is more that Turkey bridges the gap between Asia and Europe in that region. It's a major crossroad to the Black Sea and the Med. It has been strategically important since forever. The Persians tried to use it to invade Greece thousands of years ago.

Here's a weird factoid for you .. I lived in both Turkey and Greece as a kid. They hate each other.

[Kathianne]

I think that Western Civilization is being lost because generations of those that have benefitted from it have decided that it was not worth teaching the next generations about what was right about it, then emphasizing what wrongs were done. None was put into the contexts of the times. Today it's just not being taught at all.


I guess I'm not alone thinking about Western Civ:

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/04/12/the-deconstruction-of-the-west/


The Deconstruction of the West
ANDREW A. MICHTA
The greatest threat to the liberal international order comes not from Russia, China, or jihadist terror but from the self-induced deconstruction of Western culture.


To say that the world has been getting progressively less stable and more dangerous is to state the obvious. But amidst the volumes written on the causes of this ongoing systemic change, one key driver barely gets mentioned: the fracturing of the collective West. And yet the unraveling of the idea of the West has degraded our ability to respond with a clear strategy to protect our regional and global interests. It has weakened the NATO alliance and changed not just the global security calculus but now also the power equilibrium in Europe. If anyone doubts the scope and severity of the problem, he or she should ask why it has been so difficult of late to develop a consensus between the United States and Europe on such key issues as defense, trade, migration, and how to deal with Russia, China, and Islamic jihadists.


The problem confronting the West today stems not from a shortage of power, but rather from the inability to build consensus on the shared goals and interests in whose name that power ought to be applied. The growing instability in the international system is not, as some argue, due to the rise of China as an aspiring global power, the resurgence of Russia as a systemic spoiler, the aspirations of Iran for regional hegemony, or the rogue despotism of a nuclear-armed North Korea; the rise and relative decline of states is nothing new, and it doesn’t necessarily entail instability. The West’s problem today is also not mainly the result of the economic decline of the United States or the European Union, for while both have had to deal with serious economic issues since the 2008 meltdown, they remain the two largest economies in the world, whose combined wealth and technological prowess are unmatched. Nor is the increasing global instability due to a surge in Islamic jihadism across the globe, for despite the horrors the jihadists have wrought upon the peoples of the Middle East and North Africa, and the attendant anxiety now pervading Europe and America, they have nowhere near the capabilities needed to confront great powers.


The problem, rather, is the West’s growing inability to agree on how it should be defined as a civilization. At the core of the deepening dysfunction in the West is the self-induced deconstruction of Western culture and, with it, the glue that for two centuries kept Europe and the United States at the center of the international system. The nation-state has been arguably the most enduring and successful idea that Western culture has produced. It offers a recipe to achieve security, economic growth, and individual freedom at levels unmatched in human history. This concept of a historically anchored and territorially defined national homeland, having absorbed the principles of liberal democracy, the right to private property and liberty bound by the rule of law, has been the core building block of the West’s global success and of whatever “order” has ever existed in the so-called international order. Since 1945 it has been the most successful Western “export” across the globe, with the surge of decolonization driven by the quintessentially American precept of the right to self-determination of peoples, a testimony to its enduring appeal. Though challenged by fascism, Nazism, and communism, the West emerged victorious, for when confronted with existential danger, it defaulted to shared, deeply held values and the fervent belief that what its culture and heritage represented were worth fighting, and if necessary even dying, to preserve. The West prevailed then because it was confident that on balance it offered the best set of ideas, values, and principles for others to emulate.

...