Ryan needs to step down

[jimnyc]

Trump apparently tweeted in the morning yesterday, for folks to tune into Judge Jeanine last night. In her opening, she called for Paul Ryan to step down. Trump seemingly had to have known about this.

Look, I've got no love for Ryan, especially now that this healthcare crap failed. But I think it was a collective failure as a party. They went about this all wrong and didn't listen to any feedback from those who would vote against, and then got what they deserved for failing to listen. They rushed this crap. But I don't think it was all on Ryan and he shouldn't step down - yet. Trump gambled by stepping in the last week and thinking he could make it happen by just talking with a few folks, or making the shit sandwich sound appetizing. While he's not responsible for the bill, he IS responsible as the man in charge of course.

But no, I don't believe he should step down. They do need to fix this though, and fairly quickly. Let Obamacare slide and get this right by the end of the year. THEN if he can't succeed, then he doesn't deserve to be speaker. But they're expecting in a few short months, with all this chaos, and so many appointments not made... no excuses, but there are excuses. Execution.

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Judge Jeanine: ‘Paul Ryan Needs to Step Down’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hm946HDrA

During her opening statement on Fox News Channel’s “Justice,” host Jeanine Pirro ripped House Speaker Paul Ryan, calling for him to step down after his healthcare bill to replace Obamacare failed miserably.

“Paul Ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house,” Pirro began. “The reason? He failed to deliver the votes on his healthcare bill, the one trumpeted to repeal and replace Obamacare, the one that he had seven years to work on, the one he had under lock and key in the basement of Congress, the one that had to be pulled to prevent the embarrassment of not having enough votes to pass.”

Later, Pirro said, “I want to be clear, this is not on President Trump. No one expected a business man to completely understand the nuances, the complicated ins and outs of Washington and its legislative process. How would he know which individuals upon which he would be able to rely?”

Saturday morning, President Trump tweeted out a teaser for “Justice,” telling everyone to watch.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/25/judge-jeanine-paul-ryan-needs-step/

[jimnyc]

Sean Spicer: Paul Ryan’s Fate as Speaker ‘Up to Members of the House’

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said that Speaker Paul Ryan’s fate would be “up to members of the House” after the failure of the House Obamacare replacement bill.

In an interview with Fox News, Spicer noted that President Donald Trump was “complimentary” about Ryan’s performance, but that it wasn’t up to him to say whether or not the Speaker would remain in his position.

“He knows how hard he worked to get this where it is— it was a very, very heavy lift—it was one of the most comprehensive reforms not just of healthcare but of entitlements that we haven’t seen in 30 years.”

Spicer said that the White House wanted to get the bill through but that they would continue to pursue the president’s agenda.

“The agenda moves on. We’ve got a very, very bold and robust agenda, and the president promised to the American people we’re going to roll on,” he said.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/25/sean-spicer-paul-ryans-fate-as-speaker-up-to-members-of-the-house/

[Kathianne]

This hot mess is not of Ryan's making only, but my guess is he will be the fall guy.

The split/schism I spoke of over a year ago is going to happen in all probability. Likely to be worse than I thought, since there are many as myself, that were and remain very skeptical of Trump and the Republicans now. So it won't be a one point split, but more likely fracturing into several.

I suspect Trump nor Ryan ever fully trusted the other, for good reasons.

Somewhere earlier I said that FOX talking heads, starting with F & F's were going full tilt on blaming Ryan.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Trump apparently tweeted in the morning yesterday, for folks to tune into Judge Jeanine last night. In her opening, she called for Paul Ryan to step down. Trump seemingly had to have known about this.

Look, I've got no love for Ryan, especially now that this healthcare crap failed. But I think it was a collective failure as a party. They went about this all wrong and didn't listen to any feedback from those who would vote against, and then got what they deserved for failing to listen. They rushed this crap. But I don't think it was all on Ryan and he shouldn't step down - yet. Trump gambled by stepping in the last week and thinking he could make it happen by just talking with a few folks, or making the shit sandwich sound appetizing. While he's not responsible for the bill, he IS responsible as the man in charge of course.

But no, I don't believe he should step down. They do need to fix this though, and fairly quickly. Let Obamacare slide and get this right by the end of the year. THEN if he can't succeed, then he doesn't deserve to be speaker. But they're expecting in a few short months, with all this chaos, and so many appointments not made... no excuses, but there are excuses. Execution.

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Judge Jeanine: ‘Paul Ryan Needs to Step Down’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hm946HDrA

During her opening statement on Fox News Channel’s “Justice,” host Jeanine Pirro ripped House Speaker Paul Ryan, calling for him to step down after his healthcare bill to replace Obamacare failed miserably.

“Paul Ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house,” Pirro began. “The reason? He failed to deliver the votes on his healthcare bill, the one trumpeted to repeal and replace Obamacare, the one that he had seven years to work on, the one he had under lock and key in the basement of Congress, the one that had to be pulled to prevent the embarrassment of not having enough votes to pass.”

Later, Pirro said, “I want to be clear, this is not on President Trump. No one expected a business man to completely understand the nuances, the complicated ins and outs of Washington and its legislative process. How would he know which individuals upon which he would be able to rely?”

Saturday morning, President Trump tweeted out a teaser for “Justice,” telling everyone to watch.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/25/judge-jeanine-paul-ryan-needs-step/

They rushed to replace a massive monster but failed to realize that we wanted it restored to the way it was before the porchmonkey and his band of assholes screwed it up.
There was no need to write a huge or complicated new bill but there damn sure was a great need to get it right and get it in line with what we wanted-not what special interests groups and obamacare advocates wanted..
We had to take Justin to doctor yesterday, a very high fever he had. Turns out it was a throat infection requiring some very expensive antibiotics, due to ear infection as well. Our insurance through Riza job covered vast majority of the bill. Yet I still paid 25 dollar co-pay at doctor's office and
and 62 dollars on one prescription..
That one prescription was $177.00.....
I have no idea how much doctor visit plus lab work costs-perhaps around 300 dollars combined.
We paid 87 dollars of a medical bill of about 325 + 177+ (?)other prescription cost maybe 20= 522 dollars.
So I am not complaining..
These people need to get this right and stop trying to please the ffing enemy-the lousy stinking dems..
And by the way-- to hell with John McCain-- that POS SHOULD BE LOCKED UP IMHO..-Tyr

[jimnyc]

This hot mess is not of Ryan's making only, but my guess is he will be the fall guy.

The split/schism I spoke of over a year ago is going to happen in all probability. Likely to be worse than I thought, since there are many as myself, that were and remain very skeptical of Trump and the Republicans now. So it won't be a one point split, but more likely fracturing into several.

I suspect Trump nor Ryan ever fully trusted the other, for good reasons.

Somewhere earlier I said that FOX talking heads, starting with F & F's were going full tilt on blaming Ryan.

I hope he doesn't get tossed due to solely this. And thus far at least Trump seems to be standing behind him and saying good things about him, but that doesn't mean squat.

But is it true that it's actually been SEVEN years that he's been involved in creating the repeal and new plan? I thought Ryan and Co. have been working on the replacement for a MUCH shorter amount of time. But if he was doing so for that long, it does paint him in a worse light.

Considering the leaked tape of Ryan saying he will never back Trump, I had a feeling they would never fully trust one another either.

They should now move onto tax reform if that's what Trump and others want. Perhaps someone else should take the lead on the healthcare bill leading up to any future vote?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This hot mess is not of Ryan's making only, but my guess is he will be the fall guy.

The split/schism I spoke of over a year ago is going to happen in all probability. Likely to be worse than I thought, since there are many as myself, that were and remain very skeptical of Trump and the Republicans now. So it won't be a one point split, but more likely fracturing into several.

I suspect Trump nor Ryan ever fully trusted the other, for good reasons.

Somewhere earlier I said that FOX talking heads, starting with F & F's were going full tilt on blaming Ryan.

Trump was not in charge of drafting the new bill. And very likely Ryan rejected some, if not a lot of, what Trump wanted.
Ryan is not known to be amiable to Trump and is definitely headstrong and a bit arrogant, IMHO.
If great blame is to be laid-- it should fall mainly on him, IMHO.--TYR

[Gunny]

Trump apparently tweeted in the morning yesterday, for folks to tune into Judge Jeanine last night. In her opening, she called for Paul Ryan to step down. Trump seemingly had to have known about this.

Look, I've got no love for Ryan, especially now that this healthcare crap failed. But I think it was a collective failure as a party. They went about this all wrong and didn't listen to any feedback from those who would vote against, and then got what they deserved for failing to listen. They rushed this crap. But I don't think it was all on Ryan and he shouldn't step down - yet. Trump gambled by stepping in the last week and thinking he could make it happen by just talking with a few folks, or making the shit sandwich sound appetizing. While he's not responsible for the bill, he IS responsible as the man in charge of course.

But no, I don't believe he should step down. They do need to fix this though, and fairly quickly. Let Obamacare slide and get this right by the end of the year. THEN if he can't succeed, then he doesn't deserve to be speaker. But they're expecting in a few short months, with all this chaos, and so many appointments not made... no excuses, but there are excuses. Execution.

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Judge Jeanine: ‘Paul Ryan Needs to Step Down’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hm946HDrA

During her opening statement on Fox News Channel’s “Justice,” host Jeanine Pirro ripped House Speaker Paul Ryan, calling for him to step down after his healthcare bill to replace Obamacare failed miserably.

“Paul Ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house,” Pirro began. “The reason? He failed to deliver the votes on his healthcare bill, the one trumpeted to repeal and replace Obamacare, the one that he had seven years to work on, the one he had under lock and key in the basement of Congress, the one that had to be pulled to prevent the embarrassment of not having enough votes to pass.”

Later, Pirro said, “I want to be clear, this is not on President Trump. No one expected a business man to completely understand the nuances, the complicated ins and outs of Washington and its legislative process. How would he know which individuals upon which he would be able to rely?”

Saturday morning, President Trump tweeted out a teaser for “Justice,” telling everyone to watch.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/25/judge-jeanine-paul-ryan-needs-step/

What he needs to do is step up. It takes a leader to lead. He needs to quit hanging with the crowd in the back of the pack.

[jimnyc]

Health Policy Expert: What Went Wrong With Ryancare? Conservatives Were Never Really Welcomed To Weigh In

Did President Donald Trump get “health care glaze over” by sifting through the complicated policy choices of repealing and replacing Obamacare, so he can move on to tax reform? Did he wrongly align himself with a Republican leadership that falsely promised results and success if he went the way of industry, special interests and their previous legislative ideas of tweaking Obamacare?

One health care policy expert believes Trump’s alignment with House Speaker Paul Ryan’s American Health Care Act, dubbed Ryancare, risks a momentum loss like former President George H.W. Bush experienced when he broke his “no new taxes” campaign pledge in 1990.

Twila Brase is a certified public health nurse and the co-founder and president of the Citizens’ Council for Health Freedom (CCHF) in St. Paul, Minn. In this exclusive video interview for The Daily Caller News Foundation, we found her in Washington, D.C., talking with policy makers prior to the seventh anniversary of Obamacare on March 23. Her suggestions on health care reform are here.

She says with seven years of Obamacare, “big hospitals have gobbled up the little hospitals, the big insurers have gobbled up the little insurers,” causing higher prices, higher premiums, and higher deductibles.

The health plans’ powers, exerted in politics at the national and state level, have vastly expanded. People are finding their premiums are becoming “higher than their mortgage payments.” The law is causing some to be uninsured. “They’ve lost their doctors, lost their plans,” causing a great disruption and general unhappiness, she explains.

Having health insurance coverage under Obamacare now doesn’t necessarily equate to people having access to good health, Brase says. Money and power flowed under Obamacare to the health insurance companies that can deny coverage, drugs, specialists or benefits, while raising prices.

“Obamacare has shown us you can price people out of the market and Americans can’t get the care that they need, even if they’re covered.”

Rest here - http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/25/health-policy-expert-what-went-wrong-with-ryancare-conservatives-were-never-really-welcomed-to-weigh-in-video/

[jimnyc]

Trump was not in charge of drafting the new bill. And very likely Ryan rejected some, if not a lot of, what Trump wanted.
Ryan is not known to be amiable to Trump and is definitely headstrong and a bit arrogant, IMHO.
If great blame is to be laid-- it should fall mainly on him, IMHO.--TYR

Well, if you were to listen to the hollywood elites - Trump is a complete failure as a president because he couldn't close this "deal".

[jimnyc]

What he needs to do is step up. It takes a leader to lead. He needs to quit hanging with the crowd in the back of the pack.

I think he did, to an extent. He lead the front to get it passed as a leader... then when Ryan pulled it, he calmly spoke of Obamacare, and a much better plan in the near future.... and then spoke of immediately going on to the next agendas.

They say the man pretty much never sleeps and is a great leader/worker. This does NOT mean perfect by any means, nor always right. I just think he's a hard worker, non-stop, especially in comparison to the past 8 years. Trump has always been commended as being a non-stop worker who never sleeps.

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But let's see the next few weeks and how he responds, what's next on the agenda and how and who he responds and deals with regarding that as well.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Well, if you were to listen to the hollywood elites - Trump is a complete failure as a president because he couldn't close this "deal".
Yes they will always do that.
Trump would be criticized if he rushed into a burning building and saved a dozen children.
They'd , the usual vermin would cry out, why didnt he save the building too!!!! What a lazy slacker....
There is not end to such people's stupidity, hypocrisy, arrogance and general dumb-ass fantasies, IMHO.-TYR

[gabosaurus]

Looks as though Trump is blaming everyone but himself for the failure of the GOP healthcare bill. Who was it that decided that the House vote HAD to be on Thursday, then Friday?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/26/donald-trump-healthcare-blame-freedom-caucus-democrats

[jimnyc]

Looks as though Trump is blaming everyone but himself for the failure of the GOP healthcare bill. Who was it that decided that the House vote HAD to be on Thursday, then Friday?

Paul Ryan.

[Kathianne]

Paul Ryan could have let the vote go on, they would have lost. They knew no democrats were going to vote for it and there were over 26 definite no's on the R side. So then they would have put those representatives all on the record of not going with Trump and a target on all that voted for it and lost. Trump and Ryan would have looked worse.

Which is all moot at this point. As for Ryan stepping down, who would take the position? Put a Conservative in, the moderates and Trump would go nuts. Put a moderate in, you'll lost the Freedom Caucus. Nope, the most likely thing to happen is Ryan stays and is continually undermined by the Conservatives and slammed by those supporting Trump.

This is not going to end well.