O.K. This I DO NOT Like!

[Elessar]

Slash the USCG's Budget by $1 Billion?

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/03/04/trumps-budget-will-slash-1-billion-from-the-coast-guard-at-a-t/21873332/

We have front line cutters that were built in the 60's and need to be replaced.
I could drive a chipping hammer through the hulls of many.

Our MH-65 helos came out in the 80's and are a maintenance nightmare now.

Cut back the damn welfare programs! Keep the USCG functional for National Security,
Pollution Response, Aids To Navigation, Maritime Law Enforcement, and Search and Rescue.

[aboutime]

https://www.uscg.mil/budget/docs/2017_Budget_in_Brief.pdf

Today’s 21st Century Coast Guard operates in a complex and ever
changing environment. Increasing demands across the maritime
domain require near-term agility while strategically investing finite
resources for tomorrow. Aligned with Department of Homeland
Security and National strategies, Coast Guard strategies inform
the 2017 budget request, ensuring continued Service to the Nation
through fiscal stewardship and value to the American public. The
Posture Statement provides the strategic context for our external
environment and highlights my focus for Fiscal Year 2017.
The Fiscal Year 2017 Budget illustrates the Coast Guard’s dedication
to strategically investing for the future while sustaining mission
excellence. I am exceptionally pleased this budget includes a
major investment to accelerate acquisition of an additional heavy
icebreaker to meet future challenges in the Polar Regions. It also
provides funding to procure long lead time materials for the first
Offshore Patrol Cutter, a major milestone toward replacement of our aging medium endurance cutters.
Investing in the 21st Century Coast Guard also means an unwavering commitment to our people, ensuring
every member has the resources required to conduct today’s challenging missions while providing a safe
and professional workplace environment.
We will continue to meet our missions by attracting, developing
and retaining the most talented maritime professionals.
As a unique force with both military and civil authorities, the Coast Guard and its missions touch nearly
every facet of the Nation’s expansive maritime domain. Coast Guard authorities, people and assets are
essential to national security and economic prosperity. I am extremely proud of the results our active
duty, civilian, reservists and auxiliary personnel accomplish daily in support of national priorities. The
2015 Performance Highlights demonstrate the enduring, multi-mission character of the Coast Guard and
our intrinsic value to the United States.
A fully equipped, flexible and forward looking Coast Guard can meet any operational demand. Today and
into the future we will keep the Nation’s waterways secure and its maritime gateways connected to the
world. We will remain Semper Paratus – Always Ready.

[Elessar]

I have met Admiral PAUL F. ZUKUNFT and know he is a very bright man. Hopefully
he can overturn this budget cut for the good of our nation.

[Noir]

'Budgets need to be cut cut and cut...oh wait don't cut the budget of something I have a personal interest in...'

[fj1200]

'Budgets need to be cut cut and cut...oh wait don't cut the budget of something I have a personal interest in...'

Welcome to Congress. :poke:

[Elessar]

'Budgets need to be cut cut and cut...oh wait don't cut the budget of something I have a personal interest in...'

And what the fuck do You Know, Pansy-ass?

I know the conditions. What do you know, shit-head? Sperm - mouth?

I Lived and worked that while you sit around and hand-job other faggots
in a coffee shop.

If you do not know what you are talking about, stay off a thread. You show
your ignorance and stupidity more than anyone else here.

Get out of the basement and grow the hell up.

[gabosaurus]

As a non-military person, I don't think Trump knows what the Coast Guard does. I read an article once that stated that many people thought the Coast Guard was part of the Navy. As opposed to being an independent branch.
I didn't know what the Coast Guard did until Elessar came on DP. I didn't realize how essential it was to the security of our country. My guess is that Trump doesn't know this either.

[Balu]

As a non-military person, I don't think Trump knows what the Coast Guard does. I read an article once that stated that many people thought the Coast Guard was part of the Navy. As opposed to being an independent branch.
I didn't know what the Coast Guard did until Elessar came on DP. I didn't realize how essential it was to the security of our country. My guess is that Trump doesn't know this either.
What make you think that President Trump has the same level of awareness as you do? May be I will surprise you, but there is such a conception as erudition. In case of the USA Coast Guard means Naval Border (Frontier) Guard or Security. In ANY country this is the separate branch of the Army or a Special Forces with own missions. For example in Russia this branch belongs to FSB (former KGB). http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

[fj1200]

And what the fuck do You Know, Pansy-ass?

I know the conditions. What do you know, shit-head? Sperm - mouth?

I Lived and worked that while you sit around and hand-job other faggots
in a coffee shop.

If you do not know what you are talking about, stay off a thread. You show
your ignorance and stupidity more than anyone else here.

Get out of the basement and grow the hell up.

Something hit close to home. :eek:

[Elessar]

As a non-military person, I don't think Trump knows what the Coast Guard does. I read an article once that stated that many people thought the Coast Guard was part of the Navy. As opposed to being an independent branch.
I didn't know what the Coast Guard did until Elessar came on DP. I didn't realize how essential it was to the security of our country. My guess is that Trump doesn't know this either.

We have a variety of missions and responsibilities. In time of a declared war, we might merge into the Navy as we did in
WWI and WWII. Search and Rescue, Maritime Law Enforcement, Pollution Response, Maintaining Aids to Navigation,
Commercial Vessel Inspection and Regulation, International Ice Patrol, Merchant Mariner Examination and Registration,
Support Arctic and Antarctic Scientific Research, Commercial Fishing Vessel Regulation, Enforcing Laws and Treaties on the high seas,
Inspection and Safety of port facilities, Drug Interdiction, Illegal Migrant Interdiction......I might be missing a couple, but you get the picture.

As far as Law Enforcement goes, only the U.S. Marshall's Service has a broader spectrum of authority than the USCG.
We can support local and state Law Enforcement Agencies. DOD branches cannot do that. Several years back 2 Gunner's Mates
were transporting ammunition when they observed a bank robbery in progress. They drew down on the pair of robbers and held them at gunpoint
until the Cops arrived. The crook's lawyers complained, but federal courts upheld what the two Coasties did.

[Balu]

We have a variety of missions and responsibilities. In time of a declared war, we might merge into the Navy as we did in
WWI and WWII. Search and Rescue, Maritime Law Enforcement, Pollution Response, Maintaining Aids to Navigation,
Commercial Vessel Inspection and Regulation, International Ice Patrol, Merchant Mariner Examination and Registration,
Support Arctic and Antarctic Scientific Research, Commercial Fishing Vessel Regulation, Enforcing Laws and Treaties on the high seas,
Inspection and Safety of port facilities, Drug Interdiction, Illegal Migrant Interdiction......I might be missing a couple, but you get the picture.

As far as Law Enforcement goes, only the U.S. Marshall's Service has a broader spectrum of authority than the USCG.
We can support local and state Law Enforcement Agencies. DOD branches cannot do that. Several years back 2 Gunner's Mates
were transporting ammunition when they observed a bank robbery in progress. They drew down on the pair of robbers and held them at gunpoint
until the Cops arrived. The crook's lawyers complained, but federal courts upheld what the two Coasties did.

You're cruel, Elessar! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/acute.gif

[NightTrain]

I am a bit concerned, too, that the Coast Guard didn't get any love.

Beyond the needs of their everyday duties, when the wall is built both ends will be the responsibility of the USCG when the cartels figure out that tunneling or scaling the wall won't work - I expect there will be a lot of small, fast boats trying to get through.

I'm hoping they'll be added to the overall upgrade the other branches are about to get.

[Elessar]

You're cruel, Elessar! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/acute.gif

I see the smile, but how am I cruel?

It was a brief a definition as I could offer.

[Elessar]

I am a bit concerned, too, that the Coast Guard didn't get any love.

Beyond the needs of their everyday duties, when the wall is built both ends will be the responsibility of the USCG when the cartels figure out that tunneling or scaling the wall won't work - I expect there will be a lot of small, fast boats trying to get through.

I'm hoping they'll be added to the overall upgrade the other branches are about to get.

San Diego is already having to deal with that....USCG and Customs are constantly on the move there,
and some of those boats go way out to sea and try to land near Monterey.

[Balu]

I see the smile, but how am I cruel?

It was a brief a definition as I could offer.
This is cruel (IMHO) to show so frankly full incompetence of an opponent in subjects he is eager to speak about. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

[Elessar]

This is cruel (IMHO) to show so frankly full incompetence of an opponent in subjects he is eager to speak about. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

Sometimes I will only be direct, blunt, and honest.:beer:

Gabby was very cool...Noir opened his pie-hole on something he had no clue about.

[aboutime]

As a non-military person, I don't think Trump knows what the Coast Guard does. I read an article once that stated that many people thought the Coast Guard was part of the Navy. As opposed to being an independent branch.
I didn't know what the Coast Guard did until Elessar came on DP. I didn't realize how essential it was to the security of our country. My guess is that Trump doesn't know this either.


gabby. There's a lot of things YOU will never know, nor do you know now.
The USCG was formerly part of the U.S. Treasury.
Today. THE U.S. COAST GUARD
https://www.gocoastguard.com/
The Coast Guard is one of our nation’s five military services. Our motto—honor, respect, and devotion to duty—is the compass that guides our mission to defend and preserve the United States of America. We protect the personal safety and security of our people; the marine transportation system and infrastructure; our natural and economic resources; and the territorial integrity of our nation–from both internal and external threats, natural and man-made. We protect these interests in U.S. ports, inland waterways, along the coasts, and on international waters.

[Elessar]

This is cruel (IMHO) to show so frankly full incompetence of an opponent in subjects he is eager to speak about. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

I'll be straight to the point in some issues where I know far more than some childish responder.

[Abbey Marie]

I'm not in favor of cuts to any of our protectors. This is demoralizing to our serving men and women, and is a true function of our federal government.

[Gunny]

San Diego is already having to deal with that....USCG and Customs are constantly on the move there,
and some of those boats go way out to sea and try to land near Monterey.That far up the coast? Really? And why Monterey? The dad was stationed ther 3 times (meaning I lived there 3 times). Was a total white boy town. How you going to hide out there?

Some of this crap makes no sense to me. I'd go for Redlands, SD, LA, but you're trapped in Monterey.

[Elessar]

That far up the coast? Really? And why Monterey? The dad was stationed ther 3 times (meaning I lived there 3 times). Was a total white boy town. How you going to hide out there?

Some of this crap makes no sense to me. I'd go for Redlands, SD, LA, but you're trapped in Monterey.

Several landings were detected on the remote beaches near PT Sur. Not a high visibility stretch of coast.

[fj1200]

...Noir opened his pie-hole on something he had no clue about.

He made no mention of expertise in the Coast Guard. He was pointing out something else.

[Gunny]

Several landings were detected on the remote beaches near PT Sur. Not a high visibility stretch of coast.

That is weird. I lived on the Presideo. You really can't miss a damned thing from there. Housing was basically an huge apartment complex at the top of the hill. It was NOT a fun walk to and from school. :laugh:

So why would they cut funding? And trust me, I understand how they do it. Just wondering about the why. If anything, especially given Trump's stance on illegals, I'd think they'd get increased funding.

[Elessar]

That is weird. I lived on the Presideo. You really can't miss a damned thing from there. Housing was basically an huge apartment complex at the top of the hill. It was NOT a fun walk to and from school. :laugh:

So why would they cut funding? And trust me, I understand how they do it. Just wondering about the why. If anything, especially given Trump's stance on illegals, I'd think they'd get increased funding.

I've been there. Puzzles me to cut back funding.

[Elessar]

He made no mention of expertise in the Coast Guard. He was pointing out something else.

Bullshit FJ. He opened his mouth with an opinion, and I shot back that he was not even remotely
qualified to make such a comment.

He's a Brit, far detached from the USA but thinks he can question and second-guess things here.
Candy-assed.

How many Yanks from this forum go into GB territory and try to tell them what to think?

[aboutime]

Congressional Spending for CG is still in effect.
Here's a link from last year...explaining how it will work....

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2016/February/pages/CongressBoostsCoastGuardBudget.aspx


Congress Boosts Coast Guard Budget
February 2016
By Yasmin Tadjdeh



The Coast Guard has often been characterized as perennially underfunded, but thanks to Congress, the service received a major boost to its acquisition accounts for fiscal year 2016.

In the recently passed omnibus budget, Congress allocated the Coast Guard nearly $928 million more in acquisition, construction and improvement funding than it asked for in the president’s fiscal year 2016 budget request. That will go toward a ninth national security cutter, a new polar icebreaker and increased funding for the offshore patrol cutter.

The funding increase comes at a time of growing missions for the service. Over the past year, it has taken on a larger role in patrolling the Western hemisphere as smugglers attempt to bring drugs into the United States. Additionally, as sea ice melts in the Arctic and opens up new waterways, the service — which operates the nation’s polar icebreakers — will play a greater role in the region, officials have said.

[Elessar]

Congressional Spending for CG is still in effect.
Here's a link from last year...explaining how it will work....

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2016/February/pages/CongressBoostsCoastGuardBudget.aspx


Congress Boosts Coast Guard Budget
February 2016
By Yasmin Tadjdeh
The Coast Guard has often been characterized as perennially underfunded, but thanks to Congress, the service received a major boost to its acquisition accounts for fiscal year 2016.

In the recently passed omnibus budget, Congress allocated the Coast Guard nearly $928 million more in acquisition, construction and improvement funding than it asked for in the president’s fiscal year 2016 budget request. That will go toward a ninth national security cutter, a new polar icebreaker and increased funding for the offshore patrol cutter.

The funding increase comes at a time of growing missions for the service. Over the past year, it has taken on a larger role in patrolling the Western hemisphere as smugglers attempt to bring drugs into the United States. Additionally, as sea ice melts in the Arctic and opens up new waterways, the service — which operates the nation’s polar icebreakers — will play a greater role in the region, officials have said.


Thanks aboutime Really!

I just get so tired of someone that has no shred of a clue trying to run an opinion.
Nor do I care for their defenders.

At least Gabby was cool and polite. Two others, not so much.

[gabosaurus]

The best way to solve questions is to look up the answers. The facts will always be the facts (unless they are "alternative facts," of course :rolleyes:).
Like I said before, not many people understand what the Coast Guard does. Or even know it is. If you read what the cuts to the Coast Guard entail, it seems as though whoever came up with this believes the Navy can easily pick up the slack. They obviously do not know there is a definite division of responsibilities.
How many members of Congress served in the Coast Guard? How many of Trump's advisors? I think this is where the problem is.

[Kathianne]

When it comes to budgets it seems one always have to wait until it's done, not proposed. With that caveat, keeping in mind this is Trump's 'proposed' budget:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/07/rep-duncan-hunter-slashing-coast-guards-budget-is-appalling-mistake-that-puts-our-nation-at-risk.html

[Elessar]

The best way to solve questions is to look up the answers. The facts will always be the facts (unless they are "alternative facts," of course :rolleyes:).
Like I said before, not many people understand what the Coast Guard does. Or even know it is. If you read what the cuts to the Coast Guard entail, it seems as though whoever came up with this believes the Navy can easily pick up the slack. They obviously do not know there is a definite division of responsibilities.
How many members of Congress served in the Coast Guard? How many of Trump's advisors? I think this is where the problem is.

Gabby...I do not Tweet or Twitter, but I do know two retired Commandants who can speak to DJT, if I
could get through.

The Congress...both Chambers, need to get on their feet and be frighteningly more aware!
The Navy cannot take on ATON, SAR, Maritime LE, or anything else. Hell, our boat stations escort submarines out to sea
Because the Navy does not have legal authority to do it.

Navy cannot take up the slack in those missions! Posse Comitatus Act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

[gabosaurus]

Elessar, I know this and you know this. Congress does not know this and probably doesn't care. Most legislators are under immense pressure to approve what is submitted and vote on party lines. This is why so many of them avoid "Town Hall" meetings. They don't want to hear what their constituents have to say. About anything.

[Kathianne]

Elessar, I know this and you know this. Congress does not know this and probably doesn't care. Most legislators are under immense pressure to approve what is submitted and vote on party lines. This is why so many of them avoid "Town Hall" meetings. They don't want to hear what their constituents have to say. About anything.

Actually if you read what Hunter wrote, it may well be that it was OMB that added the cut.

[Gunny]

Why are there a couple of douchenoodles completely out of their league in this thread? "I don't know a damned thing but let me make some political BS comment". Oh .. they ARE leftwingnuts. Explains THAT.

Y'all have no idea what the CG does, nor what kind of hand me down, VN era sh*t we have to work with in the military. Y'all need to brighten the f*ck up. The CG is our last line of defense. You better hope us Bible-totin' rednecks got ammo if they go down. Otherwise you sheep can kiss it goodbye.

[aboutime]

Elessar, I know this and you know this. Congress does not know this and probably doesn't care. Most legislators are under immense pressure to approve what is submitted and vote on party lines. This is why so many of them avoid "Town Hall" meetings. They don't want to hear what their constituents have to say. About anything.


Damn gabby. You really are totally in the the dark, per your Liberal Instruction manual from the DNC.
Truth is...that you want to refuse, is that Republicans DO NOT avoid the Town Hall meetings. They are bombarded with LIBERALS who cause trouble, and need to have shouting matches...rather than being Civil, and Human.
The Dems have sworn to UPSET, and DISRUPT all of the Republican style Town Hall's, per instructions from NANCY PELOSI, the DNC, and CHUCKY SHUMER...Assholes galore.
SO...stop talking out of your BUTT, and join the rest of Humanity who has a brain.

[Elessar]

Elessar, I know this and you know this. Congress does not know this and probably doesn't care. Most legislators are under immense pressure to approve what is submitted and vote on party lines. This is why so many of them avoid "Town Hall" meetings. They don't want to hear what their constituents have to say. About anything.

Do you really know what you are talking about? I sure as hell do.

Go to some other thread to be a liberal whiney-face. You are over your
head in this one, My Friend,

[gabosaurus]

Do you really know what you are talking about? I sure as hell do.
Go to some other thread to be a liberal whiney-face. You are over your
head in this one, My Friend,

It doesn't matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. You vote according to your party affiliation and special interest group. Being liberal doesn't have anything to do with it.

[aboutime]

It doesn't matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. You vote according to your party affiliation and special interest group. Being liberal doesn't have anything to do with it.



gabby. Right again, of course. Liberals like you practice DENIAL, as taught by others who challenge you to dare THINK unlike they think.

[Elessar]

It doesn't matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. You vote according to your party affiliation and special interest group. Being liberal doesn't have anything to do with it.

Bullshit! Accuracy matters, and leftist liberals miss on both counts. Listen to some people that know;
ME, Gunny, abouttime , Bilgerat, NightTrain. You might grow up and learn something.

[gabosaurus]

Bullshit! Accuracy matters, and leftist liberals miss on both counts. Listen to some people that know;
ME, Gunny, abouttime , Bilgerat, NightTrain. You might grow up and learn something.

I have never known aboutime, bilgerat or nightrain to accurate on many things. You don't need to be conservative to be accurate.
And what does accuracy have to do with the Coast Guard budget?

[Jeff]

I have to say I am disappointed, first thing I have read that has disappointed me with Trump. AND no I don't know all that is done by these brave men and women but with that said Trump said he would rebuild our military and make it great again,I really hope he gets to these folks as well, every man or woman working for our country ought to have the best of the best at their disposal. A suggestion, take the salary from the Democrats that refuse to show up or do show up but are there just to disrupt things and do their dam best to knock it down, no matter what it is just to stop progress, take their salaries and let them sit home , then put that money into our military.

[Gunny]

I have never known aboutime, bilgerat or nightrain to accurate on many things. You don't need to be conservative to be accurate.
And what does accuracy have to do with the Coast Guard budget?Yeah but you DO need to know what you're talking about. For someone claiming to live on the SoCal coast, you don't know jack.

Little story. The CG will take those cutters anywhere to save your ass. You'd sh*t your pants doing what they do and there's a LOT of broken hearts. And broken dreams. Watching someone die in your arms. And there ain't a GDammed thing you can do about it. And then to listen to a know nothing tell me what it's like?

You owe El an apology.

[fj1200]

Bullshit FJ. He opened his mouth with an opinion, and I shot back that he was not even remotely
qualified to make such a comment.

He's a Brit, far detached from the USA but thinks he can question and second-guess things here.
Candy-assed.

How many Yanks from this forum go into GB territory and try to tell them what to think?

I'm pretty sure British hypocrisy is the same as US hypocrisy. You looked like a rambling fool who is unable to have an intelligent conversation without resorting to personal insults. Insults which were based on an incorrect premise at that.

[Elessar]

Why are there a couple of douchenoodles completely out of their league in this thread? "I don't know a damned thing but let me make some political BS comment". Oh .. they ARE leftwingnuts. Explains THAT.

Y'all have no idea what the CG does, nor what kind of hand me down, VN era sh*t we have to work with in the military. Y'all need to brighten the f*ck up. The CG is our last line of defense. You better hope us Bible-totin' rednecks got ammo if they go down. Otherwise you sheep can kiss it goodbye.

As my grandmother said: "Ain't got the sense God gave a goose".

It's always "Me, Me, Me!" When it should be "We, We, We!"

[Elessar]

I have never known aboutime, bilgerat or nightrain to accurate on many things. You don't need to be conservative to be accurate.
And what does accuracy have to do with the Coast Guard budget?

I explained it earlier, twice. Did you fail to read it?
You and two others here think you know what the USCG has to deal with?
Under Carter's budget cuts, we did not have money for fuel to do two-boat training.
I had to train boat crews at the damn dock or en-route to an actual case. That is
hazarding our SAR mission. Some cases I could not teach and had to leave the helm
to rig lines and tows because we didn't have the budget to train and gain expertise.
As a boat Coxswain, I am not supposed to leave the helm, only in extremis.

[Elessar]

I have never known aboutime, bilgerat or nightrain to accurate on many things. You don't need to be conservative to be accurate.
And what does accuracy have to do with the Coast Guard budget?

Oh...caught this...Bilge is a fellow Coastie that performed several functions in his
career. Try to tell me he is not accurate on them is disrespectful and demeaning.

He's very kind and low-keyed. You own him an apology, WHICH we will never see.

[aboutime]

I have never known aboutime, bilgerat or nightrain to accurate on many things. You don't need to be conservative to be accurate.
And what does accuracy have to do with the Coast Guard budget?


gabby. Most of us already knew...you have never really known MUCH. As for judging us, and our accuracy about things you don't know. We have no reason to prove anything to you, or your insignificance here on DP.

You do have a habit of demonstrating to all of us, how you have made TALKING OUT OF YOUR ANUS a perfect thing in your daily life. The only thing missing from your Anal Spillage, you call talk, and opinion...is the SMELL.

[Elessar]

I'm pretty sure British hypocrisy is the same as US hypocrisy. You looked like a rambling fool who is unable to have an intelligent conversation without resorting to personal insults. Insults which were based on an incorrect premise at that.

You're full of it.

I'm not going to be pushed in a corner by some twit that has no idea of
the background of a topic or issue.

[Elessar]

gabby. There's a lot of things YOU will never know, nor do you know now.
The USCG was formerly part of the U.S. Treasury.
Today. THE U.S. COAST GUARD
https://www.gocoastguard.com/
The Coast Guard is one of our nation’s five military services. Our motto—honor, respect, and devotion to duty—is the compass that guides our mission to defend and preserve the United States of America. We protect the personal safety and security of our people; the marine transportation system and infrastructure; our natural and economic resources; and the territorial integrity of our nation–from both internal and external threats, natural and man-made. We protect these interests in U.S. ports, inland waterways, along the coasts, and on international waters.

Coast Guard as we know it now, is the oldest continuous sea-going service in the USA.
Established by President Washington and Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton as the Revenue Cutter Service.
Merged with the US Lighthouse Service, then with the US Lifesaving Service, then with the
Steamship Inspection Service.

https://www.uscg.mil/history/web/USCGbriefhistory.asp

[Gunny]

I'm pretty sure British hypocrisy is the same as US hypocrisy. You looked like a rambling fool who is unable to have an intelligent conversation without resorting to personal insults. Insults which were based on an incorrect premise at that.

Let's keep this in perspective. FJ. SOme things grate on peoples nerves. SOme people grate on peoples nerves. I take great pribe in the fact the two most arrogant whack jobs on the board who talk the most crap refuse to speak to me. :) And speaking of talkin crap ...

Y'now, when you don't know what the Hell you're talking about, you shut the Hell up and listen to those that do. Seems to me there's a wealth of military experience from all branches on this board but y'all civilians know more. As if ... Here's the secret little trick ... I don't tell the squid how to drive the boat and they don't tell me how to fire my weapon. I don't mosey in and start instructing the pilot on how to land a bird on a moving ship.

When you're out of your league, you sit down, shut the Hell up, watch, listen and learn. Most of the vets on this board are Navy, to include me. Marines are a Dept of the Navy. I got LOTS of sea time and I know what these guys do. If it floats or flies I've probably been in it.

One of my "rewards" for a successful tour on the drill field was getting stuck behind a desk in DC in an office full of 10 zeroes. Guess what that makes you as the only enlisted person .... We're so dumb. I completely re-wrote the Unit deployment Program and handled the budget and scheduling for it. I KNOW how the system works. I've also got over 4 years of sea time.

I don't come on here telling y'all your business. Don't come on here telling us ours.

[aboutime]

Just as former Secretary of Defense...RUMSFELD said:

"They (you) don't know, what you don't know, YOU don't know!"

It seems the most Uninformed people always have the Most to say about Nothing.

[NightTrain]

I have never known aboutime, bilgerat or nightrain to accurate on many things. You don't need to be conservative to be accurate.
And what does accuracy have to do with the Coast Guard budget?

:laugh:

You are such a twit.

Every single time I've taken off the gloves and thrashed you on one of your countless insipid statements, you've tucked tail and fled like a thief in the night.

Every. Single. Time.

I'd say that a 100% accuracy rating on my part is well deserved when it comes to you.

And here's where the rubber meets the road, toots : On the rare occasion when I'm wrong, I will freely admit it right there in the thread and correct myself - and give props to the person who corrected me. So far in the 10 years that DP has existed, there have been 2 people that have caught me being factually incorrect - and neither of them have been you.

I would say it's fair to say that YOUR accuracy, on the other hand, has been demonstrably and reliably wrong 99% of the time, as evidenced by your flight from everything you get challenged on.

Your Jekyll & Hyde routine doesn't fool me. We both know you're Hyde with the miserably unconvincing attempts at portrayal of Jekyll, which drives your pathological liar persona.

[Elessar]

:laugh:

You are such a twit.

I would say it's fair to say that YOUR accuracy, on the other hand, has been demonstrably and reliably wrong 99% of the time, as evidenced by your flight from everything you get challenged on.

Your Jekyll & Hyde routine doesn't fool me. We both know you're Hyde with the miserably unconvincing attempts at portrayal of Jekyll, which drives your pathological liar persona.

Ignorance knows no bounds.

Gabby and Pete need to be holding hands....with Noir

[gabosaurus]

Why do I need to apologize for agreeing with you? I think you misunderstood my statements. The Trump administration actually backed my previous assessment with their statement yesterday that "cuts in the Coast Guard budget will help fund Homeland Security." Not taking into account that the Coast Guard is already a part of Homeland Security. And seized three times the amount of illicit drugs that the Border Patrol did.

[Elessar]

Why do I need to apologize for agreeing with you? I think you misunderstood my statements. The Trump administration actually backed my previous assessment with their statement yesterday that "cuts in the Coast Guard budget will help fund Homeland Security." Not taking into account that the Coast Guard is already a part of Homeland Security. And seized three times the amount of illicit drugs that the Border Patrol did.

Then WHY don't you reflect that instead of your sniping and diversive comments?

You act like an expert, but have not one inch of direct personal knowledge.

THAT is what gets my hackles on the rise...Ask me or Bilge....we will be straight and direct;
yet you assume things you have no clue over...Gunny, abouttime, and CSM have those clues as well.

[CSM]

Then WHY don't you reflect that instead of your sniping and diversive comments?

You act like an expert, but have not one inch of direct personal knowledge.

THAT is what gets my hackles on the rise...Ask me or Bilge....we will be straight and direct;
yet you assume things you have no clue over...Gunny, abouttime, and CSM have those clues as well.

She does it because she takes some kind of perverse delight in denigrating those with military service as part of their history. I speculate she has low self esteem and has never done anything of worth in her life other than to squirt a kid out from between her thighs and even that may not have happened. She has about as much integrity as hooker screwing for God.

[gabosaurus]

I am not trying to act like an expert. I am relaying what I have read about the situation in the media. I have not interjected my personal opinion into this.

[jimnyc]

:laugh:

You are such a twit.

Every single time I've taken off the gloves and thrashed you on one of your countless insipid statements, you've tucked tail and fled like a thief in the night.

Every. Single. Time.

I'd say that a 100% accuracy rating on my part is well deserved when it comes to you.

And here's where the rubber meets the road, toots : On the rare occasion when I'm wrong, I will freely admit it right there in the thread and correct myself - and give props to the person who corrected me. So far in the 10 years that DP has existed, there have been 2 people that have caught me being factually incorrect - and neither of them have been you.

I would say it's fair to say that YOUR accuracy, on the other hand, has been demonstrably and reliably wrong 99% of the time, as evidenced by your flight from everything you get challenged on.

Your Jekyll & Hyde routine doesn't fool me. We both know you're Hyde with the miserably unconvincing attempts at portrayal of Jekyll, which drives your pathological liar persona.

She has ran from more than just you when the tough gets going. Then when given MANY chances to prove allegations of lying, she almost always then disappears, because she IS a non-stop liar. You can always just link to her greatest hits, and of course add to them, when she starts in with her trolling and other crap.

[gabosaurus]

And yet when Jim is challenged, or asked to reply to a sore subject, his answer is to either ban the challenger from a thread or toss their responses into the board dungeon. As I have said many times before, disagreement is not trolling. Some people merely refuse to accept this.

[jimnyc]

And yet when Jim is challenged, or asked to reply to a sore subject, his answer is to either ban the challenger from a thread or toss their responses into the board dungeon. As I have said many times before, disagreement is not trolling. Some people merely refuse to accept this.

Replying to a new thread, with the very first response ignoring the content and AGAIN doing nothing more than poking at a source - is trolling. Poking at a source IS NOT disagreeing in any way at all. I don't need to accept anything. If you don't like being thread banned for your antics, or having your troll posts moved, then don't be a trolling asshole. You and others are more than free, I mean MORE THAN free to point out where I have moved your otherwise good and contributing posts. Also, where you were removed from a thread for nothing more than a good contributing post.

So go ahead, make your case for all to see right now - give us links to where your great posts are being mistreated... We shall await...

[Elessar]

I am not trying to act like an expert. I am relaying what I have read about the situation in the media. I have not interjected my personal opinion into this.

Then quit being a fool and listen to ones who have lived it, breathed it, slept
with it and - in the case of combat Vets, survived it.

Using the MSM as an example and basis makes you look like an idiot.
Ask US, Dummy.

Most often than not, the MSM is a bunch of idiots who twist fact into opinion.
You call yourself intelligent, but are deluded in your leadership by the DNC.
Cannot refute a word I said in this thread about the USCG's proposed budget
cut because you have no knowledge of the service. Yet not a word of apology
came from you because you act like a little golden-assed liberal princess.

[Gunny]

And yet when Jim is challenged, or asked to reply to a sore subject, his answer is to either ban the challenger from a thread or toss their responses into the board dungeon. As I have said many times before, disagreement is not trolling. Some people merely refuse to accept this.

That is an untrue statement. After all these years, you're still here. I've gone knock down drag out toe to with Jim and I'm still here. Only thing I hate about having my crap moved is when I can't find it. I mean, who cares?

You DO get on here and troll. I know it. You know it. We ALL know it. Take your medicine when you do. When I got banned for being out of control at least I could be honest and say I was out of control and deserved it.

I don't know what you did to Jim nor when, but you made yourself an enemy. Deal with it and don't start this whining sh*t.

[NightTrain]

And yet when Jim is challenged, or asked to reply to a sore subject, his answer is to either ban the challenger from a thread or toss their responses into the board dungeon. As I have said many times before, disagreement is not trolling. Some people merely refuse to accept this.

Jim didn't move your trollings to your trolling thread. I did.

If you don't like being treated like a troll, don't be a troll.

You know the drill and your faux complaining isn't selling. It's not our fault that in one of your rare lucid moments you don't like how you're treated.

You created the monster, now enjoy the ride.

[Drummond]

I'm not in favor of cuts to any of our protectors. This is demoralizing to our serving men and women, and is a true function of our federal government.

I'm as unqualified as Noir to add anything of real substance to this debate ... with the single exception that I can perhaps add a contribution qualifying as intelligent and reputable.

The only decent response is to say that no service .. certainly not the one being discussed in this thread !! .. should suffer cuts, quite the opposite. Noir's contribution is a typical Leftie wrecking one, of always finding excuses to support REDUCTIONS in essential services.

I very much hope that this will be reversed.

[fj1200]

You're full of it.

I'm not going to be pushed in a corner by some twit that has no idea of
the background of a topic or issue.

Point out where he said anything about the CG. Noir needs an apology from your ignorance.


Let's keep this in perspective. ...

Y'now, when you don't know what the Hell you're talking about...

... Don't come on here telling us ours.

Point out where anyone was telling you your business.

[Elessar]

Point out where he said anything about the CG. Noir needs an apology from your ignorance.

Point out where anyone was telling you your business.

Read the thread.

He/she/it deserves nothing. It tries to inject itself with opinion authority treading on grass it
has no functioning knowledge about. Not going to apologize to an ignorant twit that thinks it
is better than anyone.

Shut up and listen to people that KNOW. Is that so hard?

[Elessar]

If aboutime, CSM or Gunny raised a thread being concerned of their branches,
I would sit back and listen.

But no....not on mine. Noir had to open it's ignorant mouth. FJ had to try
and dispute anything said.

Gabby was gracious.....the other two were not.

[fj1200]

Read the thread.

He/she/it deserves nothing. It tries to inject itself with opinion authority treading on grass it
has no functioning knowledge about. Not going to apologize to an ignorant twit that thinks it
is better than anyone.

Shut up and listen to people that KNOW. Is that so hard?

That was a lot of words to be wrong because he said nothing about the CG but you still have the need to whine incessantly. You're also a disrespectful POS.

[fj1200]

FJ had to try and dispute anything said.

Point out where I said anything about the CG let alone what I disputed.

[Elessar]

That was a lot of words to be wrong because he said nothing about the CG but you still have the need to whine incessantly. You're also a disrespectful POS.


Point out where I said anything about the CG let alone what I disputed.

Go back and read. Not gonna do your homework for you.

Noir was posting like a 'know-it-all' Twirp. Then you come along as his big brother protector,
flapping your lips.

[Gunny]

That was a lot of words to be wrong because he said nothing about the CG but you still have the need to whine incessantly. You're also a disrespectful POS.

Sure I did. Go back and re-read.