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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-01-2017, 06:10 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/disney-introduces-first-gay-character-032900072.html

Disney Introduces Its First Gay Character In ‘Beauty And The Beast’
[International Business Times]
Sally Japco
International Business TimesFebruary 28, 2017

For the longest time, Disney has only featured straight characters in its movies. But their latest live movie adaptation “Beauty and the Beast” is about to break boundaries. LeFou, who is played by Josh Gad in the movie, will be the first gay character from Disney.

Fans of the animated classic will remember LeFou as the trusty sidekick of the antagonist Gaston (Luke Evans), and he always does what Gaston wants.

Director Bill Condon said LeFou will have a small but significant subplot with regards to his sexuality in this upcoming movie. “LeFou is somebody who on one day wants to be Gaston and on another day wants to kiss Gaston,” Condon told Attitude Magazine. “He’s confused about what he wants. It’s somebody who’s just realizing that he has these feelings. And Josh makes something really subtle and delicious out of it. And that’s what has its pay-off at the end, which I don’t want to give away. But it is a nice, exclusively gay moment in a Disney movie.”

Does this mean LeFou and Gaston will end up together in the end? Or will he find another guy to adore?

There’s no guaranteeing what will happen. Evans earlier told Entertainment Weekly that his Gaston also has a couple of surprises up his sleeves. “We have lines that were not in the original,” Evans said. “The guys did at Disney reviewed all the transcripts and recordings, they’ve been able to go back through those hours and hours of recorded footage, and listen to lyrics that were written and never used, which are actually gems. For the audience who know the song immensely well — which I think is most people — you will hear a few new lines, which are really really special.”

Sickening..
Yes. Lets confuse and corrupt our children , all in the name of diversity, blind tolerAnce of evil and whatever trash the lib/dems/leftists/gays AND OTHER ASSORTED VERMIN DESIRE..
Teach kids that it is normal to be a deviant/pervert.. etc..... - :mad::mad::mad: -Tyr

hjmick

03-01-2017, 06:17 PM

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-01-2017, 08:49 PM

Because it's not like kids will ever see gay people in the real world... at the mall... at a restaurant... at an amusement park... a grocery store...

Here's an idea... If you don't like it, DON'T TAKE YOUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN TO SEE THE DAMN MOVIE!

Problem solved. Just that fucking easy.

I had no plans to ever indoctrinate my children or my grandchildren into believing abhorrent behavior is perfectly alright, thus your unsolicited advice is/was entirely unnecessary.
Sure kids may see gay people out in public.
However , deliberately creating a gay character to put into a children's movie, a fairy tale no less, clearly points to an insidious and dark agenda , IMHO.
THIS MILITANT MARCH TO NORMALIZE A PERVERSION DOES NOT SIT WELL WITH ME AND MILLIONS OF OTHER DECENT FOLKS.
NEXT, WE WILL HAVE THE KIDDIE MOLESTERS BEING PROMOTED AS NORMAL, THE CYCLE TOWARDS EVIL NEVER ENDS..

Note this, I've not stated a thing about you or your family--be nice enough not to talk about mine--got that????
This thread is about a news article, its subject matter, not any member here or their family..
This is the second time you've came at me with insulting comments.
My advice to you is to cease such activity..-Tyr

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-02-2017, 12:29 PM

https://www.probe.org/gay-agenda-in-schools/

The Gay Agenda In Schools

, November 1, 2014

Kerby Anderson summarizes the efforts currently underway to implement a gay agenda in our public schools, identifying some of the negative consequences. Looking at this initiative from a biblical worldview perspective, he suggests actions that Christians should take in response to these actions.
Advancing the Gay Agenda in Schools

Since the early 1990s gay activists and various homosexual groups have been using strategies that provide them with greater access to public schools. Usually the focus is upon making the schools a safer place for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and transsexual students, thereby justifying the introduction of topics and speakers on the subject of homosexuality. And the establishment of homosexual clubs on campus provides an ongoing program to continue to introduce homosexuality to students on campus.

download-podcast Two key organizations are the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) and Parents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG). Both have been helpful in establishing a foothold for homosexual speakers, programs, and curricula.

Perhaps the most effective wedge used by gay activists to open the door to the public schools has been concern over student safety. Kevin Jennings. Executive Director for GLSEN, explained in a speech how the “safety” issue was a most effective strategy:

In Massachusetts, the effective reframing of this issue was the key to the success of the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth. We immediately seized upon the opponent’s calling card–safety–and explained how homophobia represents a threat to students’ safety by creating a climate where violence, name-calling, health problems, and suicide are common. Titling our report “Making Schools Safe for Gay and Lesbian Youth,” we automatically threw our opponents onto the defensive and stole their best line of attack. This framing short-circuited their arguments and left them back-pedaling from day one.{1}

The strategy has obviously been successful because no one would want to be against making the schools a safer environment. It almost doesn’t matter whether the allegations are true. Once you raise the concern of safety, most administrators, teachers, and parents quickly fall in line.

There is an irony in all of this. Many of the behaviors that are taught and affirmed in these school programs and clubs are unsafe in term of public health. For example, Pediatrics (Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics) reported on a Harvard study that found more than thirty risks positively associated with self-reported gay-lesbian-bisexual (GLB) orientation.{2} So it is indeed ironic that the idea of “safety” is often used as means to introduce teaching and discussion of behaviors that have been proven to be quite “unsafe.”

The Goals of GLSEN

The mission statement of GLSEN is straightforward: “The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network strives to assure that each member of every school community is valued and respected regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression.”{3} It is a growing, well-funded homosexual organization that promotes homosexual identity and behavior on campus. It has been very successful in gaining access on campus by working with such influential groups as the National Education Association.

Anyone who takes the time to read some of the materials recommended by GLSEN will quickly find that it condones sexual themes and information that would be disturbing to most parents. One researcher who has taken the time to review these materials and investigate various school programs came to the following seven conclusions:{4}

1. GLSEN believes the early sexualization of children can be beneficial. This means that virtually any sexual activity as well as exposure to graphic sexual images and material, is not just permissible but good for children, as part of the process of discovering their sexuality.

2. “Coming out” (calling oneself or believing oneself to be homosexual) and even beginning homosexual sex practices at a young age, is a normal and positive experience for youth which should be encouraged by teachers and parents, according to GLSEN.

3. Bisexuality, “fluid” sexuality and sexual experimentation is encouraged by GLSEN as a right for all students.

4. Meeting other “gay” and “questioning” youth, sometimes without parental knowledge, is a frequent theme in GLSEN materials. At these meetings, minors will come into contact with college-age people and adults practicing homosexuality.

5. In GLSEN material, the “cool” adults—parents, teachers and counselors—are those who encourage students to embrace homosexuality and cross-dressing. They also allow adult-level freedoms and let children associate with questionable teens or adults.

6. GLSEN resources contain many hostile, one-sided anti-Christian vignettes and opinions, as well as false information about Christianity and the Bible’s position on homosexuality. This encourages antagonism against biblical morality and increases the risk that youth will experiment with high-risk behavior.

7. The spirituality presented positively in GLSEN resources is heavily laced with occult themes and nightmarish images.

Goals of PFLAG and Gay Clubs

PFLAG is a national organization of parents, families, and friends that “promotes the health and well-being of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender persons.”{5} It has been an active organization at the local level to promote its views of human sexuality into schools, churches, and various youth organizations. Although there is a strong emphasis on rights and tolerance, their message about sexuality would be disturbing to most parents.

One researcher who has taken the time to review their brochures and other materials came to the following five conclusions:{6}

1. PFLAG believes in total sexual license for people of all ages. For children, this means that virtually any sexual activity, as well as exposure to graphic sexual images and material, is not just permissible but good for children as part of the process of discovering their sexuality.

2. “Coming out” (calling oneself homosexual or cross-dressing) at a very young age, and even beginning early homosexual sex practices, is a desirable goal in the world according to PFLAG.

3. Bisexuality, fluid sexuality, and sexual experimentation is encouraged by PFLAG. The group believes it’s important for all students to learn about these options.

4. Meeting with other “gay” and “questioning” youth, usually without parental knowledge, is a frequent theme in PFLAG materials. At these community meetings, thirteen-year-olds will come into contact with college-age youth and adults practicing homosexuality.

5. PFLAG spreads false information about the Bible, religious faith, and restoration of heterosexuality through faith. This misinformation closes the door of change for many young people, and stirs up anti-Christian and anti-Jewish bias and hostility.

Another way the gay agenda is promoted in the public schools is through Gay-Straight Alliance clubs. In the mid-1990s, there were a few dozen Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) clubs in U.S. high schools. Today there are 3,200 GSA clubs registered.{7}

These student-run clubs provides a meeting place for student talk about homosexuality and homosexual behaviors. It is also provides a platform for outside speakers to address various topics and for students to organize a “Pride Week” on campus. Once a year, many of the students in these clubs also participate in “The Day of Silence.” This is a day when students will remain silent all day as a way of acknowledging the silence induced by those who oppose homosexuality.

Legal Liability

Is there any legal liability when schools permit and even promote the teaching of homosexual education the campus? One group (Citizens for Community Values) believes there is a potential liability. The group has published a manual documenting the potential liability that schools, administrators, and teachers might face. The following is a brief summary of much more information that can be found in the document “The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexual Education in Public Schools.”{8}

Life expectancy—The International Journal of Epidemiology found that gay and bisexual men involved in homosexual behavior cut off years from their lives. One study showed that “life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men.” They therefore concluded that if “the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday.”{9}

Sexually transmitted diseases—The danger of various STDs, including HIV infection in homosexual relationships, has been well documented through many studies. The Medical Institute for Sexual Health says that “Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices. Women who have sex with women are at significantly increased risk of bacterial vaginosis, breast cancer and ovarian cancer than are heterosexual women.”{10}

Other health risk behaviors—A study by Harvard University of over four thousand ninth- to twelfth-grade students found that gay-lesbian-bisexual “youth report disproportionate risk for a variety of health risk and problem behaviors” and they found that they “engage in twice the mean number of risk behaviors as did the overall population.”{11}

Mental health—A study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry found those engaging in homosexual behavior have a much higher incidence of mental health problems. “The findings support the assumption that people with same-sex sexual behavior are at greater risk for psychiatric disorders.”{12}

Permitting and promoting homosexual activity through on-campus programs and clubs will certainly increase homosexual behavior among students. Administrators, teachers, and parents should reconsider the impact these programs, and the subsequent behavior, will have on the student body.

Biblical Response

When we talk about the issue of homosexuality, it is important to keep two biblical principles in tension. On the one hand we must stay true to our biblical convictions, and on the other hand we should reach out with biblical compassion. Essentially this is the balance between truth and love.

On the one hand, it is crucial for us to understand how the homosexual agenda threatens to normalize and even promote homosexuality within the schools. Moreover, gay activists are pushing an agenda in the courts, the legislature, the schools, and the court of public opinion that will ultimately threaten biblical authority and many of our personal and religious freedoms. Christians, therefore, must stand for truth.

I have provided a brief overview of the groups and programs that are promoting the gay agenda in the public schools. I encourage you to find out what is happening in your community. We have also documented the potential legal liability associated with many of the behaviors that are encouraged by these programs. Often administrators and teachers are unaware of the potential dangers associated with homosexual education in the schools. Take time to share this information with them.

On the other hand, it is also important for us to reach out to those caught in the midst of homosexuality and offer God’s grace and redemption. We cannot let the hardened rhetoric of gay activists keep us from having Christ’s heart toward homosexuals. As individuals and as the church, we should reach out to those caught in the sin of homosexuality and offer them hope and point them to Jesus Christ so that they will find freedom from the sexual sin that binds their lives.

It is important to remember that many in the homosexual lifestyle are there because of some emotional brokenness in their families. They may be trying to meet their emotional needs in ungodly ways. Youth in the public schools may be experimenting sexually and find themselves caught up in the homosexual lifestyle.

It is also important to remember that change is possible. The testimony of hundreds of former homosexuals is proof that someone can change their sexual behavior. So are the various studies that document these same behavioral changes. And, most importantly, the Bible teaches that change in possible. Paul, writing to former homosexuals in the Corinthian church, noted that “such were some of you” (1 Corinthians 6:11).

In addressing the issue of the gay agenda in public schools, it is crucial to stay true to our biblical convictions (and stand for truth) while we also reach out with biblical compassion.

Notes

1. “‘Governor’s Commission for Gay Youth’ Retreats to ‘Safety’ and ‘Suicide’,” The Massachusetts News, December 2000.
2. Robert Garofalo, et. al., “The Association Between Health Risk Behaviors and Sexual Orientation Among a School-based Sample of Adolescents,” Pediatrics, 101 (5), May 1998, 895-902.
3. GLSEN website, www.glsen.org.
4. Linda Harvey, “Children at Risk: GLSEN, Corruption and Crime,” Mission America, 2003, http://www.missionamerica.com/oldagenda26.php.
5. PFLAG website, www.pflag.org.
6. Linda Harvey, “The World According to PFLAG,” Mission America, 2003, http://www.missionamerica.com/stoppflag2.php.
7. Marilyn Elias, “Gay teens coming out earlier to peers and family,” USA Today, 8 February 2007, 1A.
8. “The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexual Education in Public Schools,” Citizens for Community Values, www.ccv.org/Legal_Liability_of_Homosexuality_Education.htm.
9. R. S. Hogg, et. al., “Modeling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men,” International Journal of Epidemiology, 26 (1997), 657-661.
10. “Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality,” Monograph published by The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999.
11. Robert Garofalo, Pediatrics, 1998.
12. Theo G.M Sandfort, et. al., “Same-Sex Sexual Behavior and Psychiatric Disorders,” Archives of General Psychiatry, Vol. 58 (1) January 2001, 85-91.

Anyone who takes the time to read some of the materials recommended by GLSEN will quickly find that it condones sexual themes and information that would be disturbing to most parents. One researcher who has taken the time to review these materials and investigate various school programs came to the following seven conclusions:{4}

1. GLSEN believes the early sexualization of children can be beneficial. This means that virtually any sexual activity as well as exposure to graphic sexual images and material, is not just permissible but good for children, as part of the process of discovering their sexuality.

2. “Coming out” (calling oneself or believing oneself to be homosexual) and even beginning homosexual sex practices at a young age, is a normal and positive experience for youth which should be encouraged by teachers and parents, according to GLSEN.

3. Bisexuality, “fluid” sexuality and sexual experimentation is encouraged by GLSEN as a right for all students.

4. Meeting other “gay” and “questioning” youth, sometimes without parental knowledge, is a frequent theme in GLSEN materials. At these meetings, minors will come into contact with college-age people and adults practicing homosexuality.

5. In GLSEN material, the “cool” adults—parents, teachers and counselors—are those who encourage students to embrace homosexuality and cross-dressing. They also allow adult-level freedoms and let children associate with questionable teens or adults.

6. GLSEN resources contain many hostile, one-sided anti-Christian vignettes and opinions, as well as false information about Christianity and the Bible’s position on homosexuality. This encourages antagonism against biblical morality and increases the risk that youth will experiment with high-risk behavior.

7. The spirituality presented positively in GLSEN resources is heavily laced with occult themes and nightmarish images.

Goals of PFLAG and Gay Clubs

PFLAG is a national organization of parents, families, and friends that “promotes the health and well-being of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender persons.”{5} It has been an active organization at the local level to promote its views of human sexuality into schools, churches, and various youth organizations. Although there is a strong emphasis on rights and tolerance, their message about sexuality would be disturbing to most parents.

One researcher who has taken the time to review their brochures and other materials came to the following five conclusions:{6}

1. PFLAG believes in total sexual license for people of all ages. For children, this means that virtually any sexual activity, as well as exposure to graphic sexual images and material, is not just permissible but good for children as part of the process of discovering their sexuality.

2. “Coming out” (calling oneself homosexual or cross-dressing) at a very young age, and even beginning early homosexual sex practices, is a desirable goal in the world according to PFLAG.

3. Bisexuality, fluid sexuality, and sexual experimentation is encouraged by PFLAG. The group believes it’s important for all students to learn about these options.

4. Meeting with other “gay” and “questioning” youth, usually without parental knowledge, is a frequent theme in PFLAG materials. At these community meetings, thirteen-year-olds will come into contact with college-age youth and adults practicing homosexuality.

5. PFLAG spreads false information about the Bible, religious faith, and restoration of heterosexuality through faith. This misinformation closes the door of change for many young people, and stirs up anti-Christian and anti-Jewish bias and hostility.

We can only hope that Trump addresses this issue in a manner that stops this systematic indoctrination program in our public schools, that engineers the thinking that such perverted behavior - is normal!-Tyr

Abbey Marie

03-02-2017, 01:39 PM

fj1200

03-02-2017, 02:11 PM

To the OP: Oh no? :dunno:

Wellll, your anger aside, there is a vast difference between seeing something on the street, and seeing it promoted and given the thumbs-up in a children's movie. Why do you think Madison Ave and Hollywood constantly try to normalize it through the air waves, etc.? They know the power of the media on minds.

Perhaps they're following society rating than normalizing.

Balu

03-02-2017, 02:22 PM

There is a theory that the History develops in a spiral - all the same, only at a qualitatively new level.
To see the Future it is advisable to recall the reasons for the death of Ancient Rome and reread Golden Ass of Apuleius.
What is happening is very discouraging and disappointing.

Black Diamond

03-02-2017, 02:45 PM

Black Diamond

03-02-2017, 02:48 PM

Never thought parents would have to preview Disney movies. Old fashioned I am
And I realize I already know this one has the gay story line but ones in the future won't make headlines.

Noir

03-02-2017, 02:49 PM

Hold the bus - in the history of all Disney movies there has never been a non-heterosexual character?!

Black Diamond

03-02-2017, 02:53 PM

Hold the bus - in the history of all Disney movies there has never been a non-heterosexual character?!
There has never been a queer character. That's what "first" usually means.

Noir

03-02-2017, 02:58 PM

There has never been a queer character. That's what "first" usually means.

Remarkable. The wheels of change turn so slowly.

Black Diamond

03-02-2017, 03:03 PM

Remarkable. The wheels of change turn so slowly.
Don't worry. The wheels are speeding up. By 2040, Snow White will have a love affair with Mickey Mouse. She will have a mouse in her.... pocket.

Abbey Marie

03-02-2017, 04:17 PM

To the OP: Oh no? :dunno:

Perhaps they're following society rating than normalizing.

Or perhaps they're not.

Abbey Marie

03-02-2017, 04:21 PM

Don't worry. The wheels are speeding up. By 2040, Snow White will have a love affair with Mickey Mouse. She will have a mouse in her.... pocket.

You have a problem with trans-species love?

Shame, you Species-ist!

fj1200

03-02-2017, 04:37 PM

Or perhaps they're not.

Perhaps not. :rolleyes: But considering there have been gay folks around for quite some time...

Gunny

03-02-2017, 04:37 PM

You have a problem with trans-species love?

Shame, you Species-ist!

Okay, I'm cracking up. You know why cowboys wear big boots. right? So the goats can't get their feet out while being mounted. :laugh:

Abbey Marie

03-02-2017, 04:43 PM

Perhaps not. :rolleyes: But considering there have been gay folks around for quite some time...

So have pedophiles. The difference is, the latter has not been normalized by the media.

So far, anyway.

fj1200

03-02-2017, 04:44 PM

So have pedophiles. The difference is, the latter has not been normalized by the media.

So far, anyway.

Pedophiles =/= homosexuals.

Gunny

03-02-2017, 04:56 PM

Pedophiles =/= homosexuals.

Alright. If you're going to pretend there's no slippery slope I'm gonna lose some respect for your intelligence level. SO what's next? What's the next barrier the left is going to break down? They always have one. All they do is promote the aberrant.

Name something normal these leftist a-holes stand for.

pete311

03-02-2017, 05:06 PM

Balu

03-02-2017, 05:26 PM

Pedophiles =/= homosexuals.
To some extent they are equal as both are abnormal for Human Nature, and this path leads to the destruction of Society. We see this on the examples of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. The Church traditionally stood guard over this and treated it as a sin.
Unfortunately nowadays the Overtone window is in action. These sins start be treated as a norm of existence. Moreover it is promoted and inoculated to children on a State level.
What I've said is an attitude to this subject in Russia.

Abbey Marie

03-02-2017, 05:39 PM

Pedophiles =/= homosexuals. 
 
Didn't say they were equal or not-equal. Not a relevant point. They are, however, a good example of why your former post about society wasn't a good argument.

Gunny

03-02-2017, 05:46 PM

Yeah that pesky slippery slope! Hope no one has sex other than in missionary style and for conception only! Everything else is deviant! Slippery slope!!!

That argument of course makes it normal behavior. I argue at the biological level and sometimes the moral level. Abs is arguing about the morality;

You. on the other hand are arguing at the what can I get away with next? level.

Elessar

03-02-2017, 07:47 PM

Wellll, your anger aside, there is a vast difference between seeing something on the street, and seeing it promoted and given the thumbs-up in a children's movie. Why do you think Madison Ave and Hollywood constantly try to normalize it through the air waves, etc.? They know the power of the media to influence minds.

To the OP: Oh no? :dunno:
Perhaps they're following society rating than normalizing.

Ohhh...well...think people don't sit up and take notice on these cartoon movies?

Remember Bambi? A cartoon creature that had human speech and emotions?

I do recall the Anti-hunter's lament in the 70's and 80's of "You killed Bambi"!
Damn worse situation than hunting is the sprawl of human encroachment, pushing them
out of their food sources, prohibiting harvests of excess animals, and see them
starving along a busy highway.

Better re-think that Disney movies do not influence. They are as far left in mind
manipulation as can be in many cases

darin

03-03-2017, 01:48 AM

I agree with this take on it

Dear leftists in Hollywood intent on pushing incessant gayness, even when unnecessary and irrelevant,

Today it seems Hollywood’s primary mission, especially television, is to shove gayness into wherever it may fit. It’s getting tired. Namely because it’s being pushed by a tiny minority of militant gay activists in the gay community. I want to make this crystal clear. I’m not suggesting ALL gays are pushing for all gay characters in all TV shows or movies. I contend like with most issues in our political climate, the “Gay Agenda” in TV is being shoved by a fraction of a percent of the gay population. Their members of the Gaystapo (http://louderwithcrowder.com/colorado-baker-told-bake-gay-wedding-cakes-or-none-at-all/). Small in numbers, shrill in voice. As stated before, the Gaystapo, and now the Hollywood Gay Agenda Pushers DO NOT represent millions of gay people who just want to live their lives in peace. Okay? Okay.
The thing is, there seems to be a gay storyline in every modern TV show out there. The one and only modern show I can think of without any uber-gay plot line? Breaking Bad. I’ve watched the show three times. Didn’t see any gayness. But every other show I’ve seen? Somehow it always manages to slip in.

Have we reached a time in our culture where being straight is scandalous, where insisting we’re not sexually fluid will be seen as backwards hate speech?
Maybe I’m paranoid, but it seems we’re getting close, especially in how gay characters are portrayed: healthy, loving, never abusive toward each other. Even though physical abuse in homosexual relationships is sky high (http://louderwithcrowder.com/hey-lady-gaga-women-commit-domestic-violence-too-more-actually/). Particularly among Lesbians. No, no, you Hollywood social engineers are intent on portraying GAY as HEALTHY. Which is doing a great disservice to the rampant domestic violence in the gay community (http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/a-same-sex-domestic-violence-epidemic-is-silent/281131/).
So a favor, please. Can we go back to just being entertained? Can’t we cut it out with the man on man love, displayed graphically? I know even suggesting such a thing makes me a hateful homophobe, but wouldn’t it be lovely if you folks in the entertainment industry could focus on you know… entertaining us?

http://louderwithcrowder.com/dear-hollywood-stop-gaying-all-the-things/

Balu

03-03-2017, 02:54 AM

Ohhh...well...think people don't sit up and take notice on these cartoon movies?

Remember Bambi? A cartoon creature that had human speech and emotions?

I do recall the Anti-hunter's lament in the 70's and 80's of "You killed Bambi"!
Damn worse situation than hunting is the sprawl of human encroachment, pushing them
out of their food sources, prohibiting harvests of excess animals, and see them
starving along a busy highway.

Better re-think that Disney movies do not influence. They are as far left in mind
manipulation as can be in many cases

This or that way the cartoons for kids are modeling the norms of society, the problems of good and evil in a form of a fairy tale, the most accessible for understanding and assimilation for the children, thus making the moral basis for their future life. In his early years, the child absorbs everything like a sponge, and lives with it the rest of his life. Here in Russia we have a good proverb 'We all come from childhood'.
So, this question is very serious.
For example, in previous times Vatican excluded all Soviet cartoons from the list of their censorship and let them go free on the screens.

Noir

03-03-2017, 04:19 AM

Didn't say they were equal or not-equal. Not a relevant point.

They are, however, a good example of why your former post about society wasn't a good argument.

Well given the story is about a women who falls in love with an animal that kidnaps her, do you have a problem with the promotion of beastiality or Stockholm syndrome within the movie?

I agree with this take on it

http://louderwithcrowder.com/dear-hollywood-stop-gaying-all-the-things/

How many non-heterosexual people do you know in your life?

To some extent they are equal as both are abnormal for Human Nature

That would be the same extent of abnormal equality which would account for you being able to type a silly statement in Russia and have it seen around the world within seconds.

darin

03-03-2017, 04:54 AM

How many non-heterosexual people do you know in your life?

How would I know? I don't label people based on their sex preferences. Everyone I know in my life has the chance to be homosexual whenever they want until they decide to stop. Or not. (shrug).

Noir

03-03-2017, 05:09 AM

How would I know? I don't label people based on their sex preferences. Everyone I know in my life has the chance to be homosexual whenever they want until they decide to stop. Or not. (shrug).

A very oddly vague statement, put another way - have you in your life known atleast one person who was non-heterosexual?

KarlMarx

03-03-2017, 06:17 AM

One out of every 110 births results in a person with Autism.....

Now, can count the number of times Disney, the networks, Hollywood has portrayed such people? I can name two... "Rain Man" and "Alphas" (a TV series)....

So, so since Hollywood, Disney, etc are promoting diversity and tolerance, why don't those self appointed priests of omniscience portray people with disabilities in movies, TV shows, and the like?

Why? Because disabled people do not have the pressure groups like GLAAD and GLISTEN... that's why

It's one thing to teach our kids to respect people despite their differences (which is a good thing) and quite another to teach them that it is acceptable to descend into a lifestyle like homosexuality.

Balu

03-03-2017, 07:04 AM

That would be the same extent of abnormal equality which would account for you being able to type a silly statement in Russia and have it seen around the world within seconds.
Let us stick to the point and simplify my statement as much as possible:

1. Homosexuality, is it normal for Human Nature? Yes or No?
2. Pedophilia, is it normal for Human Nature? Yes or No?
3. Is involving into homosexuality by ANY means a crime - Yes or No?

If all the answers to these questions are negative, it means that these deviations are abnormal and to some extent they are equal from the point of view of public morality.
If one of the answers is positive it means that you state that this phenomenon is normal for Human Nature.

Balu

03-03-2017, 07:08 AM

How many non-heterosexual people do you know in your life?

If the acquaintance on this forum is counted, you may be the first experience for some.

darin

03-03-2017, 08:07 AM

A very oddly vague statement, put another way - have you in your life known atleast one person who was non-heterosexual?

Because it's a stupid question. It's baiting. how many people i now who choose to have sex with others of their same sex doesn't change the facts of my post, nor it's validity. And who they were when i knew them or who they are now that I know them is not defined by a label because "sexual preferences" can change as people change.

fj1200

03-03-2017, 11:12 AM

Alright. If you're going to pretend there's no slippery slope I'm gonna lose some respect for your intelligence level. SO what's next? What's the next barrier the left is going to break down? They always have one. All they do is promote the aberrant.

Name something normal these leftist a-holes stand for.

My contention is this is not an example of the slippery slope as it comes after you seem to suggest we're already sliding.

To some extent they are equal as both are abnormal for Human Nature, and this path leads to the destruction of Society. We see this on the examples of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. The Church traditionally stood guard over this and treated it as a sin.
Unfortunately nowadays the Overtone window is in action. These sins start be treated as a norm of existence. Moreover it is promoted and inoculated to children on a State level.
What I've said is an attitude to this subject in Russia.

I think the church treatment of this as sin is wrong and I also disagree that homosexuality was the reason for the downfall of Greece and Rome.

Didn't say they were equal or not-equal. Not a relevant point.

They are, however, a good example of why your former post about society wasn't a good argument.

You equated them when making the comparison. And no, they are not a good example. A better example for you would have been to suggest a movie that predates premarital sex with the increase of premarital sex. An example of consenting adults does not equal your comparison of non-consenting individuals. My point stands with the evidence of 40?+ years of increasing gay acceptance vs Disney finally getting around to adding a character.

It seems every time the social conservatives get up in arms about gays leads to gays becoming more accepted.

fj1200

03-03-2017, 11:15 AM

fj1200

03-03-2017, 11:21 AM

Let us stick to the point and simplify my statement as much as possible:

1. Homosexuality, is it normal for Human Nature? Yes or No?
2. Pedophilia, is it normal for Human Nature? Yes or No?
3. Is involving into homosexuality by ANY means a crime - Yes or No?

If all the answers to these questions are negative, it means that these deviations are abnormal and to some extent they are equal from the point of view of public morality.
If one of the answers is positive it means that you state that this phenomenon is normal for Human Nature.

Pedophiles =/= homosexuals.

:unsure:

Noir

03-03-2017, 12:33 PM

Noir

03-03-2017, 12:37 PM

Because it's a stupid question. It's baiting. how many people i now who choose to have sex with others of their same sex doesn't change the facts of my post, nor it's validity. And who they were when i knew them or who they are now that I know them is not defined by a label because "sexual preferences" can change as people change.

More awkward vagueness.
I wonder if we portrayed you're life as a movie how many non-heterosexual characters we'd need.

darin

03-03-2017, 01:19 PM

More awkward vagueness.
I wonder if we portrayed you're life as a movie how many non-heterosexual characters we'd need.

Stunning. You rarely make anything close to a valid point

jimnyc

03-03-2017, 01:26 PM

Being abnormal and leading a deviant lifestyle. I wonder if the truth of queerdom will be shown?

jimnyc

03-03-2017, 02:06 PM

:clap::clap::clap:

Alabama Theater Won't Screen 'Beauty and the Beast' Due to Gay Character

Not everyone is excited about LeFou's "exclusively gay moment in a Disney moment."

The Henagar Drive-In Theatre in Henagar, Alabama announced it won't screen the upcoming Beauty and the Beast because it has a gay character.

The schedule occurred after director Bill Condon revealed that Josh Gad's character LeFou, the comical sidekick to antagonist Gaston (Luke Evans), will be Disney's first-ever LGBTQ character, in dedication to the original film's late lyricist Howard Ashman. The Hollywood Reporter's review of the film warned, "Rabid red-state homophobes may be incandescent with fury to see how things end up for him in the finale."

The Alabama theater's schedule shift was decided by the business' new owners who took over in December. "When companies continually force their views on us we need to take a stand. We all make choices and I am making mine," the business said in a statement on Facebook. "If we can not take our 11 year old grand daughter and 8 year old grandson to see a movie we have no business watching it. If I can't sit through a movie with God or Jesus sitting by me then we have no business showing it.

"I know there will be some that do not agree with this decision. That's fine," reads the statement. "We are first and foremost Christians. We will not compromise on what the Bible teaches. We will continue to show family oriented films so you can feel free to come watch wholesome movies without worrying about sex, nudity, homosexuality and foul language."

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/alabama-theater-wont-screen-beauty-beast-due-gay-170057144.html

Balu

03-03-2017, 04:50 PM

I think the church treatment of this as sin is wrong and I also disagree that homosexuality was the reason for the downfall of Greece and Rome.

What would you say about Bible, Sodomy, Sodom and Gomorrah. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

Elessar

03-03-2017, 05:48 PM

Well given the story is about a women who falls in love with an animal that kidnaps her, do you have a problem with the promotion of beastiality or Stockholm syndrome within the movie?.

Pray tell...what is 'A WOMEN'?

You act all intellectual yet do not know the difference of the singular WOMAN from plural and collective WOMEN?

No wonder you are laughed at.

Black Diamond

03-03-2017, 05:51 PM

Pray tell...what is 'A WOMEN'?

You act all intellectual yet do not know the difference of the singular WOMAN from plural and collective WOMEN?

No wonder you are laughed at.
And I thought the UK had a superior education system.

Balu

03-03-2017, 05:54 PM

Pray tell...what is 'A WOMEN'?

You act all intellectual yet do not know the difference of the singular WOMAN from plural and collective WOMEN?

No wonder you are laughed at.
According to the Oriental mentality woman is a vessel of sin. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

Elessar

03-03-2017, 05:54 PM

And I thought the UK had a superior education system.

Tries to use big words and confusing text to act superior, but ignorant as a peach.

fj1200

03-03-2017, 06:15 PM

What would you say about Bible, Sodomy, Sodom and Gomorrah. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)

Even anti-gay commentators agree that the sin was one of a lack of hospitality.

Ezekiel 16:49 - King James Bible (http://biblehub.com/kjv/ezekiel/16.htm)
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

fj1200

03-03-2017, 06:18 PM

In future news that won't make headlines:

Millions of Christians go see Beauty and the Beast.

Elessar

03-03-2017, 06:23 PM

In future news that won't make headlines:

Millions of Christians go see Beauty and the Beast.

So they do. That is their right to do so, as everyone else.

Not everyone reads into a film what complainers do.

Black Diamond

03-03-2017, 06:24 PM

In future news that won't make headlines:

Millions of Christians go see Beauty and the Beast.
Depends on the Christians.

fj1200

03-03-2017, 06:28 PM

So they do. That is their right to do so, as everyone else.

Not everyone reads into a film what complainers do.

Exactly.

Depends on the Christians.

God-fearing ones I'm sure.

Black Diamond

03-03-2017, 06:32 PM

Exactly.

God-fearing ones I'm sure.

i would not say their fear of God should be gauged by this issue. No matter which side they would fall.

fj1200

03-03-2017, 06:33 PM

i would not say their fear of God should be gauged by this issue. No matter which side they would fall.

Of course. Just that good, honest Christians will watch the movie.

Balu

03-03-2017, 06:56 PM

Even anti-gay commentators agree that the sin was one of a lack of hospitality.

Ezekiel 16:49 - King James Bible (http://biblehub.com/kjv/ezekiel/16.htm)
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Ezekiel 16:49 reads: 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.' http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/16-49.htm
Sorry, but less of all I care the opinion of ANY commentators. I prefer to study the primary sources, analyze, compare them with other information on the subject and draw own conclusions. It is difficult because it makes me to read a lot, to learn, to work, but this way may prevent from being misled by engaged opinions.
I always try to follow the following commandment - do not make yourself an idol. Unfortunately there are too few who can be regarded as an authority.
Now read the following:
Genesis 19 Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

Abbey Marie

03-03-2017, 07:18 PM

Abbey Marie

03-03-2017, 07:26 PM

In future news that won't make headlines:

Millions of Christians go see Beauty and the Beast.

Sure, it could be a good teachable moment:
"Hey kids, Hollywood has a gay agenda. They want you to think a certain way. Let's read some Scriptures that characterize gay activity in a very different way".

And perhaps a look back at the real, Oscar-nominated for Best Picture, Beauty and the Beast, sans any gay character. You know, to see how Hollywood has rewritten it to suit that agenda.

Black Diamond

03-03-2017, 07:30 PM

fj1200

03-04-2017, 08:50 AM

Sorry, but less of all I care the opinion of ANY commentators. I prefer to study the primary sources, analyze, compare them with other information on the subject and draw own conclusions. It is difficult because it makes me to read a lot, to learn, to work, but this way may prevent from being misled by engaged opinions.
I always try to follow the following commandment - do not make yourself an idol. Unfortunately there are too few who can be regarded as an authority.
Now read the following:

I've read it plenty. I'm sure that people reading the bible alone are easily able to come to the wrong conclusion about particular passages. I don't think misreading some passages is an eternal damnation issue but it stands to reason that reading the bible alone can lead to either a wrong conclusion or at least missing some of the message, not to mention that passages mean different things at different moments in people's lives.

BTW, to what "other information on the subject" would you be referring?

Jude 1:7-8
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.

What do you make of the contention of many commentators that "strange flesh" was not homosexuality but lusting after angels?

And from Jesus:

11 “Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it.13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. 15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!

Nothing about the gays.

5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Sure, it could be a good teachable moment:
"Hey kids, Hollywood has a gay agenda. They want you to think a certain way. Let's read some Scriptures that characterize gay activity in a very different way".

And perhaps a look back at the real, Oscar-nominated for Best Picture, Beauty and the Beast, sans any gay character. You know, to see how Hollywood has rewritten it to suit that agenda.

So it's your contention that all of the millions of Christians who will see the movie are going to use it as a teachable moment? Or for that particular character at least? That would be ridiculous.

Should not have to talk about homosexuality with cartoon watching aged kids. And Disney should not be normalizing it in their marketing to children.

It's already normalized. (Most) people don't care.

Noir

03-04-2017, 09:06 AM

Pray tell...what is 'A WOMEN'?

You act all intellectual yet do not know the difference of the singular WOMAN from plural and collective WOMEN?

No wonder you are laughed at.

And I thought the UK had a superior education system.

Im probably the first human alive to make a typo, what shame.

Noir

03-04-2017, 09:18 AM

Sure, it could be a good teachable moment:
"Hey kids, Hollywood has a gay agenda. They want you to think a certain way. Let's read some Scriptures that characterize gay activity in a very different way".

And perhaps a look back at the real, Oscar-nominated for Best Picture, Beauty and the Beast, sans any gay character. You know, to see how Hollywood has rewritten it to suit that agenda.

While on the subject of the "real, Oscar-nominated for best picture, Beauty and the Beast" maybe they can tell this children of Howard Ashman.

Howard Elliott Ashman (May 17, 1950 – March 14, 1991) was an American playwright and lyricist. He collaborated with Alan Menken (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Menken) on several works and is most widely known for several animated feature films for Disney (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walt_Disney_Company), for which Ashman wrote the lyrics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyrics) and Menken composed the music. Ashman and Menken began their collaboration with the musical God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Vonnegut%27s_God_Bless_You,_Mr._Rosewater) (1979), for which Ashman directed and wrote both book and lyrics. Their next musical, Little Shop of Horrors (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Shop_of_Horrors_(musical))(1982) for which Ashman again directed and wrote both book and lyrics, became a long-running success and led to a 1986 feature film (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Shop_of_Horrors_(film)). The partnership's first Disney film was The Little Mermaid (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid_(1989_film)) (1989), followed by Beauty and the Beast (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_and_the_Beast_(1991_film)) (1991). After his death, some of Ashman's songs were included in another Disney film, Aladdin (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin_(1992_Disney_film)) (1992).

Beauty and the Beast is dedicated "To our friend Howard, who gave a mermaid her voice and a beast his soul, we will be forever grateful. Howard Ashman 1950–1991."

Please do enjoy the works of such a talented person.

hjmick

03-04-2017, 10:02 AM

Is there a point to your post, Noir?

Noir

03-04-2017, 10:37 AM

Is there a point to your post, Noir?

I wouldn't like to think so.

Balu

03-04-2017, 11:31 AM

I've read it plenty. I'm sure that people reading the bible alone are easily able to come to the wrong conclusion about particular passages. I don't think misreading some passages is an eternal damnation issue but it stands to reason that reading the bible alone can lead to either a wrong conclusion or at least missing some of the message, not to mention that passages mean different things at different moments in people's lives.

BTW, to what "other information on the subject" would you be referring?

The historical documents to see the real influence of the Church (in general Religion in non-Christian countries) in formation Societies and States. This is one of the main clues for better understanding the History and particularities of different Nations.
I bet you are not aware of the story of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God that took place in Moscow in 1941 and the role of the Church in the USSR in the period 1941-1945, as well as the role of Christian Church and Religion in the USSR. And 100% nobody who are accusing Muslims have ever read Koran.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-04-2017, 11:55 AM

Noir

03-04-2017, 11:58 AM

THOSE THAT ENGAGE IN SUCH PERVERSION AND--THEIR DEFENDERS-- DO NOT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT TRUTH, DECENCY AND/OR ANY RIGHTS WE HAVE AS TO THE PROTECTION OF OUR CHILDREN...

They care not for children since man on man and woman on woman can never produce offspring.
This militant gay agenda , is being promoted by media, Hollyweird and --Our Government.
Giving massive power to and using force to re-educate(brainwash) young children into thinking such perverted, sexual behavior is--NORMAL...
THEY AND THEIR ARDENT SUPPORTERS ARE THE DAMN PROBLEM, NOT THE MAJORITY OF DECENT AMERICANS--BUT FEAR OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS(ANOTHER FORCE THEY BIRTHED AND USE) ALLOWS THEM TO DO THIS TRASH AND THEN LIE SAYING THAT -MOST CITIZENS SUPPORT IT!
I call that a load of their usual bullshat..-TYR

It would be interesting to know what heterosexual-sexual sexual behaviour you find perverted and abnormal. Care to share?

Balu

03-04-2017, 12:05 PM

It would be interesting to know what heterosexual-sexual sexual behaviour you find perverted and abnormal. Care to share?
It is a matter of individuals till they remain in a frame of heterosexual relations, which is a norm for sexual relationship aimed to procreation. This is the natural basis of ALL sexual relations. The rest is unnatural and abnormal.

Noir

03-04-2017, 12:09 PM

It is a matter of individuals till they remain in a frame of heterosexual relations, which is a norm for sexual relationship aimed to procreation. This is the natural basis of ALL sexual relations.

Procreation is not the basis of all sexual relations, see: pleasure.

Balu

03-04-2017, 12:17 PM

Procreation is not the basis of all sexual relations, see: pleasure.
You are mistaken.
Procreation is the basis. Pleasure is the motive, the incentive.
There is a historical example - In the army of Alexander the Great's troops drove behind a flock of sheep to satisfy the sexual needs of his Army. Now I am waiting for you saying that such sexual relations to get 'pleasure' are normal.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-04-2017, 12:24 PM

It would be interesting to know what heterosexual-sexual sexual behaviour you find perverted and abnormal. Care to share?
Let history, science and biology answer that question for you..
Basic first and glaringly biggest proof of homosexuality being an extremely negative and abnormal behavior is as simple as the screaming reality of --Survival Of The Species!
I have my own personal desires within normal sex- normal being with women only.
I know doing men, animals and knots in fence posts are abnormal acts.
To those that would cry nothing wrong with such acts, I say even if that were true--what gives such people the right to try to force our acceptance or the brainwashing of our children?
Want to see me break a person into half, let that person harm my child in any way!!
FFing up my sons head qualifies as such, in my book. (I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN WHO FEARS ME OR WHO DOES NOT, BUT FEAR ME THEY SHOULD), as I am worse than hell on wheels when righteously enraged..
I try to be peaceful, but I am not a gentle soul, to ever be trifled with.
That is a statement in general fact, not aimed at you as a threat.--Tyr

fj1200

03-04-2017, 05:09 PM

The historical documents to see the real influence of the Church (in general Religion in non-Christian countries) in formation Societies and States. This is one of the main clues for better understanding the History and particularities of different Nations.
I bet you are not aware of the story of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God that took place in Moscow in 1941 and the role of the Church in the USSR in the period 1941-1945, as well as the role of Christian Church and Religion in the USSR. And 100% nobody who are accusing Muslims have ever read Koran.

First, great but there are commentators, teachers, others, etc. who can add to the understanding and offer a new or different perspective on the bible. Your approach is no guarantee of getting it right, not mine either of course as many scholars have different takes on the same subject.

Second, no, I'm not aware. I'm also not discussing that subject.

THOSE THAT ENGAGE IN SUCH PERVERSION AND--THEIR DEFENDERS-- DO NOT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT TRUTH, DECENCY AND/OR ANY RIGHTS WE HAVE AS TO THE PROTECTION OF OUR CHILDREN...

They care not for children since man on man and woman on woman can never produce offspring.
This militant gay agenda , is being promoted by media, Hollyweird and --Our Government.
Giving massive power to and using force to re-educate(brainwash) young children into thinking such perverted, sexual behavior is--NORMAL...
THEY AND THEIR ARDENT SUPPORTERS ARE THE DAMN PROBLEM, NOT THE MAJORITY OF DECENT AMERICANS--BUT FEAR OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS(ANOTHER FORCE THEY BIRTHED AND USE) ALLOWS THEM TO DO THIS TRASH AND THEN LIE SAYING THAT -MOST CITIZENS SUPPORT IT!
I call that a load of their usual bullshat..-TYR

I can point you to countless gays who care greatly for children because they have kids. But of course it won't ever be "normal" if normal is the majority; perhaps the benchmark should be is it destructive which it appears to not be.

But of course never let an opposing thought into your mind. :shrug:

fj1200

03-04-2017, 05:11 PM

Let history, science and biology answer that question for you..
Basic first and glaringly biggest proof of homosexuality being an extremely negative and abnormal behavior is as simple as the screaming reality of --Survival Of The Species!
I have my own personal desires within normal sex- normal being with women only.
I know doing men, animals and knots in fence posts are abnormal acts.
To those that would cry nothing wrong with such acts, I say even if that were true--what gives such people the right to try to force our acceptance or the brainwashing of our children?
Want to see me break a person into half, let that person harm my child in any way!!
FFing up my sons head qualifies as such, in my book. (I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN WHO FEARS ME OR WHO DOES NOT, BUT FEAR ME THEY SHOULD), as I am worse than hell on wheels when righteously enraged..
I try to be peaceful, but I am not a gentle soul, to ever be trifled with.
That is a statement in general fact, not aimed at you as a threat.--Tyr

Most people can discuss things intelligently without having to describe how unhinged you are. :)

Balu

03-04-2017, 06:20 PM

First, great but there are commentators, teachers, others, etc. who can add to the understanding and offer a new or different perspective on the bible. Your approach is no guarantee of getting it right, not mine either of course as many scholars have different takes on the same subject.

Second, no, I'm not aware. I'm also not discussing that subject.

There is one weak point (IMHO). Bible, to my mind, is an issue, which gives you the direct guidance on the examples of the described events and it doesn't need interpretation for those who was brought up in a family with religious values. Interpretations is a very slippery thing and one can see it in Islam where any Mullah may interpret the Koran Sura this or that way.

Noir

03-05-2017, 03:57 AM

Let history, science and biology answer that question for you..
Basic first and glaringly biggest proof of homosexuality being an extremely negative and abnormal behavior is as simple as the screaming reality of --Survival Of The Species!

Do you apply the same logic to heterosexual sexual acts that are not involved in the 'survival of the species'?

Want to see me break a person into half, let that person harm my child in any way!!

Hiw many children are hurt because their parents physically or emotionally bully them when they learn of their non-heterosexual identity? Would you embrace your child with love if they did so?

fj1200

03-05-2017, 07:11 AM

There is one weak point (IMHO). Bible, to my mind, is an issue, which gives you the direct guidance on the examples of the described events and it doesn't need interpretation for those who was brought up in a family with religious values. Interpretations is a very slippery thing and one can see it in Islam where any Mullah may interpret the Koran Sura this or that way.

You don't think the bible needs "interpretations"? It needs interpretations in almost every subject because of varying translations, forgotten historical context, church history as you point out, etc. And just because you, or anyone else, reads the bible in a particular way don't make the mistake of thinking that you're not making your own interpretation. An example is countless women told to go back into abusive relationships because of biblical mandates against divorce, to "submit" to your husband, etc. There are biblical references that women should not be in church leadership; do you think changing "interpretations" that now allow them to be in church leadership are wrong?

The fact is the bible is not a plain language document that can get by without interpretations. Jesus mentioned Sodom without castigating gays; why? Perhaps homosexuality was not the sin of S & G but it was the lack of hospitality he was speaking of.

Balu

03-05-2017, 08:17 AM

You don't think the bible needs "interpretations"? It needs interpretations in almost every subject because of varying translations, forgotten historical context, church history as you point out, etc. And just because you, or anyone else, reads the bible in a particular way don't make the mistake of thinking that you're not making your own interpretation (1). An example is countless women told to go back into abusive relationships because of biblical mandates against divorce, to "submit" to your husband, etc. There are biblical references that women should not be in church leadership; do you think changing "interpretations" that now allow them to be in church leadership are wrong?(2)
The fact is the bible is not a plain language document that can get by without interpretations. Jesus mentioned Sodom without castigating gays; why? Perhaps homosexuality was not the sin of S & G but it was the lack of hospitality he was speaking of (3).

1. I am sure that the Bible needs no interpretation. At the generic level, it provides a list and a scale of moral values that guide us in daily life. They are illustrated by examples from the Bible. For everyday life this is a sufficient level. The level above refers to the theology and is the field for the priests who have the appropriate ecclesiastical education.
2. I think that this interpretation is wrong as not every modernization is for the good. Why I think so? - I am sure that the primary mission of a every woman is to give life to new generations and care for their children at least in the initial period after their birth. Nobody can substitute them there. All these takes a good deal of time and efforts. The rest for her is supplementary. Any work requires the complete putting sometimes till self-denial in order to achieve a better result and this is where opportunities for men and women differ.
This doesn't mean that somebody is worse and somebody is better. We are just different. We are designed and constructed the different way to fulfill different missions in our life. I managed to explain this to my teenage daughter and finally she agreed with me.
3. As to S&G there was a description of a Society full of Debauchery and Sin and interpretation it as a lack of hospitality only is harmful and destructive for new generation.
All I've said is my personal opinion shared by conservatives but not liberals in my country.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-05-2017, 09:16 AM

Do you apply the same logic to heterosexual sexual acts that are not involved in the 'survival of the species'?

How many children are hurt because their parents physically or emotionally bully them when they learn of their non-heterosexual identity? Would you embrace your child with love if they did so?

1.

Do you apply the same logic to heterosexual sexual acts that are not involved in the 'survival of the species'?

Start a thread on that specific topic if interested in the vast multitude of people's flavors within their own personal sex-lives is my suggestions- as it is not relevant to this topic of the militant gay agenda and adding flaming, gay characters in children's fairy-tale movies.-Tyr

2.

How many children are hurt because their parents physically or emotionally bully them when they learn of their non-heterosexual identity? Would you embrace your child with love if they did so?

Start a thread on that specific topic if interested in the abuse of children by their own parents.
As it is not relevant to this topic of the militant gay agenda and adding flaming, gay characters in children's fairy-tale movies.-Tyr

3.
I hope you do start those two threads as , I think your thoughts on such may be interesting and quite enlightening.
Even tho', I feel that we will almost certainly disagree in many ways on that as well...-Tyr

Abbey Marie

03-05-2017, 09:28 AM

Do you apply the same logic to heterosexual sexual acts that are not involved in the 'survival of the species'?

Hiw many children are hurt because their parents physically or emotionally bully them when they learn of their non-heterosexual identity? Would you embrace your child with love if they did so?

Interesting how you use the term "non-heterosexual acts" instead of using the descriptive "homosexual acts".

hjmick

03-05-2017, 09:57 AM

1.

...as it is not relevant to this topic of the militant gay agenda and adding flaming, gay characters in children's fairy-tale movies.-Tyr

Oh, so you've seen the movie? You know exactly what the, and I quote all reports in the news, "exclusively gay moment" is?

Because this is how it's been described by those who've actually seen the movie:

"Throughout the movie, LeFou dotes on Gaston as he did in the 1991 animated version, but the big moment comes at the end of the movie, when LeFou sees the error of Gaston’s ways and reforms. During the finale ballroom scene, after LeFou has joined up with Team Belle, LeFou dances with a man. That’s it!"

Earth shattering... Because no movie in the history of movies has ever had two men dancing together.

I go back to my original post in this thread...

You don't like it, you don't the suggestion, don't go see the fucking movie. But for GOD's sake, don't pretend this is going to bring about the end of civilization as we know it.

Abbey Marie

03-05-2017, 10:10 AM

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-05-2017, 10:40 AM

Oh, so you've seen the movie? You know exactly what the, and I quote all reports in the news, "exclusively gay moment" is?

Because this is how it's been described by those who've actually seen the movie:

"Throughout the movie, LeFou dotes on Gaston as he did in the 1991 animated version, but the big moment comes at the end of the movie, when LeFou sees the error of Gaston’s ways and reforms. During the finale ballroom scene, after LeFou has joined up with Team Belle, LeFou dances with a man. That’s it!"

Earth shattering... Because no movie in the history of movies has ever had two men dancing together.

I go back to my original post in this thread...

You don't like it, you don't the suggestion, don't go see the fucking movie. But for GOD's sake, don't pretend this is going to bring about the end of civilization as we know it.

You don't like it, you don't the suggestion, don't go see the fucking movie.

Well golly hoss, this child ( that apparently you think I am) read you suggestion the first time!
And despite your analysis that I did not and could not understand that suggestion let me kindly inform you that I did..
However, my negative opinion expressed in my comment on the subject , has nothing to do with -- ME seeing the movie!!
It is, as I made clear-- about other people watching the movie-- -as in little , easily impressionable children seeing it and how that is deliberate brainwashing to teach them that being gay is normal behavior--- which it is certainly not..

I join Abbey in asking-- why so angry!!??
I've not spoke about you or your family (and never shall), even tho' you did so about mine in your first angry reply to me .-- Tyr

Noir

03-05-2017, 11:19 AM

Interesting how you use the term "non-heterosexual acts" instead of using the descriptive "homosexual acts".

Its a better catch-all, is the 'problem' only homosexual acts? What about bisexual, asexual and so on. Would you welcome those in Disney movies?

hjmick

03-05-2017, 12:21 PM

Why so angry?

What makes you think I'm angry? I am nowhere close to anger...

hjmick

03-05-2017, 12:32 PM

I've not spoke about you or your family (and never shall), even tho' you did so about mine in your first angry reply to me .-- Tyr

If you believe that suggesting that you not take your children or your grandchildren to see a movie you find repugnant is "speaking of your family," then report me. Otherwise you are just looking for anything with which to take offense.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-05-2017, 12:47 PM

What makes you think I'm angry? I am nowhere close to anger...

I can not fathom how both Abbey and I got that impression, hmmmmmmmmmmm..

Quotes below are from two of your direct replies made to me and me only...-Tyr

2nd quote

You don't like it, you don't the suggestion, don't go see the fucking movie.
(highlighted in red, to point out the emphasis and a bit more)--Tyr

1st quote

Here's an idea... If you don't like it, DON'T TAKE YOUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN TO SEE THE DAMN MOVIE!
Problem solved. Just that fucking easy.
(highlighted in red, to point out the emphasis and a bit more)--Tyr

Had no plan to report anything, just trying to clear up on some problem you have(obviously) with me expressing my opinion on the militant gay agenda being put into children movies- fairy-tale..etc...

So far, I have expressed no anger myself and have been quite civil in my replies.
Previously I even kindly asked to return the favor...
Which now seems to me, you thinking me over stepping my bounds in civilly requesting..-Tyr

Noir

03-05-2017, 12:59 PM

So far, I have expressed no anger myself and have been quite civil in my replies.
Previously I even kindly asked to return the favor...
Which now seems to me, you thinking me over stepping my bounds in civilly requesting..-Tyr

Your opening post of the thread "and whatever trash the lib/dems/leftists/gays AND OTHER ASSORTED VERMIN DESIRE.." quite civil indeed :rolleyes:

fj1200

03-05-2017, 03:41 PM

1. I am sure that the Bible needs no interpretation. At the generic level, it provides a list and a scale of moral values that guide us in daily life. They are illustrated by examples from the Bible. For everyday life this is a sufficient level. The level above refers to the theology and is the field for the priests who have the appropriate ecclesiastical education.
2. I think that this interpretation is wrong as not every modernization is for the good. Why I think so? - I am sure that the primary mission of a every woman is to give life to new generations and care for their children at least in the initial period after their birth. Nobody can substitute them there. All these takes a good deal of time and efforts. The rest for her is supplementary. Any work requires the complete putting sometimes till self-denial in order to achieve a better result and this is where opportunities for men and women differ.
This doesn't mean that somebody is worse and somebody is better. We are just different. We are designed and constructed the different way to fulfill different missions in our life. I managed to explain this to my teenage daughter and finally she agreed with me.
3. As to S&G there was a description of a Society full of Debauchery and Sin and interpretation it as a lack of hospitality only is harmful and destructive for new generation.
All I've said is my personal opinion shared by conservatives but not liberals in my country.

We seem to be getting off track a little bit but...
1. If that is true then you are in the position of being able to read the bible correctly based on your personal reading. If that is true then I have to imagine that you are the only one who fits that bill.
2. I'm pretty sure that women are much more than their child-bearing and child-rearing duties; a part obviously but not primary. I welcome anyone who might disagree to weigh in here.
3. I think we can agree that there was a lot going wrong in S & G and to boil it down to one thing is missing the point.

One last thing; I shudder to ponder what liberal vs. conservative is in your country. :poke:

aboutime

03-05-2017, 03:49 PM

Nobody should be surprised.....

http://youtu.be/6-syyR8OpT4

Try taking your small children to a place for fun...only to see this ALL DAY!

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 03:51 PM

Your opening post of the thread "and whatever trash the lib/dems/leftists/gays AND OTHER ASSORTED VERMIN DESIRE.." quite civil indeed :rolleyes:
Tissue?

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 03:53 PM

Its a better catch-all, is the 'problem' only homosexual acts? What about bisexual, asexual and so on. Would you welcome those in Disney movies?
No

aboutime

03-05-2017, 04:00 PM

Its a better catch-all, is the 'problem' only homosexual acts? What about bisexual, asexual and so on. Would you welcome those in Disney movies?

Noir. In all my years of seven decades. Not until today, have I ever feared bending over, to be assaulted by another human...who has the same gender.
Nor would I ever consider being the person of the same gender who would enjoy putting any part of MY BODY into their mouth, nor theirs into mine.

That is, and always has been the sign of a SICKNESS, blessed by the hypocrites who pretend they want to defend DEPRAVITY because TO NOT DO SO...is (in their opinion) racist, and intolerant.

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 04:03 PM

Noir

03-05-2017, 04:19 PM

Tissue?

You'd better hurry and offer a tissue to Tyr too, or he'll wonder why you didn't offer him one for making the same observation :rolleyes:

No

Exactly my point.

Noir

03-05-2017, 04:20 PM

How about the MPAA puts warnings saying there's homosexual references or activities in movies. My point was the parent now has to see the movie before the kid does.

You want warnings before movies for men dancing together?

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 04:44 PM

You want warnings before movies for men dancing together?
First off, I haven't seen the clip for myself so I dont know what nuances and the like are in it. Disney executives bragged about having the first gay character. I wouldn't want my kids seeing two men dancing the tango, promenade, etc.

Noir

03-05-2017, 04:53 PM

First off, I haven't seen the clip for myself so I dont know what nuances and the like are in it. Disney executives bragged about having the first gay character. I wouldn't want my kids seeing two men dancing the tango, promenade, etc.

:laugh:
Would you let them watch two heterosexual men dance a promenade?

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 04:54 PM

You'd better hurry and offer a tissue to Tyr too, or he'll wonder why you didn't offer him one for making the same observation :rolleyes:

Exactly my point.
You make a habit of being a whiny bitch and he doesn't. He's been through hell the last couple months. What have you been through?

And I would be very happy if the perversions you champion would be wiped off the face of the earth, not encouraged. Until then, you want to suck your boyfriend off and put gerbils up each other's asses, do your best to keep it out of the mainstream.

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 04:55 PM

:laugh:Would you let them watch two heterosexual men dance a promenade?

no.

gabosaurus

03-05-2017, 05:20 PM

Why is this even an issue? :dunno:
Is this actually something you guys are worried about?

Abbey Marie

03-05-2017, 05:30 PM

What makes you think I'm angry? I am nowhere close to anger...

Oh, maybe because you called it a "f*cking movie" twice now? Maybe I'm wrong, but that says angry to me.

:dunno:

Abbey Marie

03-05-2017, 05:33 PM

Its a better catch-all, is the 'problem' only homosexual acts? What about bisexual, asexual and so on. Would you welcome those in Disney movies?

Two things:
First, I'm pretty sure asexual is common amongst animated characters, so no prob there.
Second, the character and issue in question is purportedly homosexual. So I think the discussion calls for appropriate labeling.
Why do you want to make it overly vague and miss the point?

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 05:34 PM

Two things:
First, I'm pretty sure asexual is common amongst animated characters, so no prob there.
Second, the character and issue in question is purportedly homosexual. So I think the discussion calls for appropriate labeling.
Why do you want to make it overly vague and miss the point?
Probably intentional.

Elessar

03-05-2017, 07:11 PM

First I'm wondering if this is your one post before giving up the discussion. :dunno:

Second, sure some people take notice but this is not leading any cultural shift.

I missed this. Not giving up any discussion except of my own accord.

If it looks fruitless and the gay activists push their agenda, I may leave it alone.
I have gay friends of BOTH genders. And they do not have big mouths like some
keyboard commandos do.

Elessar

03-05-2017, 07:15 PM

More awkward vagueness.
I wonder if we portrayed you're life as a movie how many non-heterosexual characters we'd need.

You show your single-minded ignorance once again. Try to sound so intelligent yet do not know the difference
between YOU"RE (you are) and YOUR

Maybe those subtle clues show you to be a fool.

Elessar

03-05-2017, 07:19 PM

Im probably the first human alive to make a typo, what shame.

It is not the first time...in that you are consistent...and it is I'm, not Im.

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 07:20 PM

I missed this. Not giving up any discussion except of my own accord.

If it looks fruitless and the gay activists push their agenda, I may leave it alone.
I have gay friends of BOTH genders. And they do not have big mouths like some
keyboard commandos do.
Love the term. I don't think children should be exposed to this in Disney movies made for children. No reason to create gay characters other than to push an agenda and mold minds for the future in a perverted way.

Abbey Marie

03-05-2017, 07:21 PM

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 07:22 PM

Im probably the first human alive to make a typo, what shame.
It's not just about keyboarding ability.

Gunny

03-05-2017, 07:27 PM

It's not just about keyboarding ability.

If was I'd be screwed. :laugh: My brain and this keyboard are definitely not wired.

aboutime

03-05-2017, 07:35 PM

Noir

03-05-2017, 07:39 PM

You make a habit of being a whiny bitch and he doesn't. He's been through hell the last couple months. What have you been through?

He's been making statements like "lib/dems/leftists/gays AND OTHER ASSORTED VERMIN DESIRE.." for more than the last few months, No?

And I would be very happy if the perversions you champion would be wiped off the face of the earth, not encouraged. Until then, you want to suck your boyfriend off and put gerbils up each other's asses, do your best to keep it out of the mainstream.

Perversions like two men dancing together, yeah?

no.

Hilarious :laugh: what other non-sexual interactions between heterosexual people does papa forbid the children from seeing?

Two things:
First, I'm pretty sure asexual is common amongst animated characters, so no prob there.
Second, the character and issue in question is purportedly homosexual. So I think the discussion calls for appropriate labeling.
Why do you want to make it overly vague and miss the point?

I wouldn't think so, most characters are atleast gendered if not openly sexual.

As I said, I was being more broad to try and catch all aspects of sexuality, not just homosexuality. Becuase I think the wider scope is not that 'homosexuality is wrong' per say - rather it is more like 'non-heterosexuality is wrong' but if you think that's confusing the issue feel free to replace 'non-heterosexual' with 'homosexual' in my posts, it changes nothing other than narrowing the details.

Noir

03-05-2017, 07:47 PM

You show your single-minded ignorance once again. Try to sound so intelligent yet do not know the difference
between YOU"RE (you are) and YOUR

Maybe those subtle clues show you to be a fool.

It is not the first time...in that you are consistent...and it is I'm, not Im.

It's not just about keyboarding ability.

Your keen eyes have noted my dyslexia, I'm sure I talked about this on here but it was a while ago (many years) becuase it use to be a lot worse than it is now. That's why almost all of my posts will show that they have been edited afterwards to pick out whatever mistakes I notice at the time.
Its probably also worthy to note that their are probably other dyslexic people on the board that you may want to consider before throwing random insults about me about it.

Russ

03-05-2017, 07:49 PM

Because it's not like kids will ever see gay people in the real world... at the mall... at a restaurant... at an amusement park... a grocery store...

Here's an idea... If you don't like it, DON'T TAKE YOUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN TO SEE THE DAMN MOVIE!

Problem solved. Just that fucking easy.

HJ, I expect better from you than this post. I absolutely hate the argument that anybody should be able to put any potentially-offensive material they want into any TV show or movie that is meant for kids, and any parents who object should shut up because "they should just not take their kids to that movie" or "just don't let them watch that tv show". If the show/movie is marketed toward kids, then it has taken on a responsibility, and it is valid for parents to complain. I don't want to argue about gayness being offensive or not, but I'm sure you know that many parents will find it offensive to put it into a kids movie.

Let's face it - Beauty and the Beast is a movie marketed to both adults and kids. So the movie deserves criticism from parents.

And let's face another obvious truth - the story of Beauty and the Beast never had a gay character, and never needed one, but Disney decided to force gayness into the movie as a way of political pandering as well as mental indoctrination of kids. The thinking behind it is disgraceful.

If Disney wants to add gayness into Beauty and the Beast, then they should go ahead and create separate movies "Beauty and the Gay Beast" or "Two Beauties and No Beast". Let's see how many people go to see those movies. But Disney should stay out of the political and mind indoctrination arenas.

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 07:50 PM

He's been making statements like "lib/dems/leftists/gays AND OTHER ASSORTED VERMIN DESIRE.." No?

Perversions like two men dancing together, yeah?

Hilarious :laugh: what other non-sexual interactions between heterosexual people does papa forbid the children from seeing?

I wouldn't think so, most characters are atleast gendered if not openly sexual.

As I said, I was being more broad to try and catch all aspects of sexuality, not just homosexuality. Becuase I think the wider scope is not that 'homosexuality is wrong' per say - rather it is more like 'non-heterosexuality is wrong' but if you think that's confusing the issue feel free to replace 'non-heterosexual' with 'homosexual' in my posts, it changes nothing other than narrowing the details.
You defend gay sex all over the place. It was a general comment. You think two men dancing the tango together doesn't have a gay overtone? And people like you are vermin. He's correct.

Elessar

03-05-2017, 07:55 PM

Your keen eyes have noted my dyslexia, I'm sure I talked about this on here but it was a while ago (many years) becuase it use to be a lot worse than it is now. That's why almost all of my posts will show that they have been edited afterwards to pick out whatever mistakes I notice at the time.
Its probably also worthy to note that their are probably other dyslexic people on the board that you may want to consider before throwing random insults about me about it.

You make lots of excuses. If you are dyslexic...use spell check, kid. You still come across as an arrogant know-it-all.
Don't blame it on the condition.

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 07:57 PM

Your keen eyes have noted my dyslexia, I'm sure I talked about this on here but it was a while ago (many years) becuase it use to be a lot worse than it is now. That's why almost all of my posts will show that they have been edited afterwards to pick out whatever mistakes I notice at the time.
Its probably also worthy to note that their are probably other dyslexic people on the board that you may want to consider before throwing random insults about me about it.
I didn't know you were dyslexic. As I indicated, it's not about keyboarding anyway. I generally don't go for low hanging fruit. I do not attack people based on their disabilities.

Russ

03-05-2017, 07:59 PM

It's really pretty simple, though libs try to complicate it. I have lots of love for the gay people in my life. But my Bible tells me it is a sinful lifestyle, like many other sins, and it is clearly not nature's way, so I do not want my young child or grandchild being told by Hollywood that it it normal.

Great point, and it is a simple as that. The Bible says it is sinful, pretty clearly. Most Christians wish nothing but the best for gay people in the world, but no one has the right to tell Christians that they're not allowed to consider certain things sinful.

The first argument that non-Christians usually make at this point is "well, if you're committing any sins yourself then you have no right to tell gay people they are committing a sin". To this argument I say that I'm not condemning them, but I am recognizing sinful behavior and don't want to condone it.

Noir

03-05-2017, 08:05 PM

You make lots of excuses. If you are dyslexic...use spell check, kid. You still come across as an arrogant know-it-all.
Don't blame it on the condition.

I don't use spell check because that helps make it worse.

Balu

03-05-2017, 08:05 PM

We seem to be getting off track a little bit but...
1. If that is true then you are in the position of being able to read the bible correctly based on your personal reading. If that is true then I have to imagine that you are the only one who fits that bill.
2. I'm pretty sure that women are much more than their child-bearing and child-rearing duties; a part obviously but not primary. I welcome anyone who might disagree to weigh in here.
3. I think we can agree that there was a lot going wrong in S & G and to boil it down to one thing is missing the point.

One last thing; I shudder to ponder what liberal vs. conservative is in your country. :poke:
I agree we went too far from the direct point of the thread.
As to your 1st clause I said that everything depends of the depth of the knowledge required by you. Generally if not deepening into the depths of theology an ordinary reading is enough for a person with average mental abilities as initially the Bible is designed for home reading and home study by ordinary people.
As to the second clause I'll give you an illustrative example to estimate the efficiency of a woman and a man at work, do imaging that their child got ill.
I'm underlining again my opinion that for woman herself and society her children are primary mission, task, care. And this, but not the professional ambitions, is the basis of her Happiness. The rest is supplementary.
Well, in any case I express my own thoughts which surely may differ from those of the others. :slap:

Gunny

03-05-2017, 08:05 PM

I didn't know you were dyslexic. As I indicated, it's not about keyboarding anyway. I generally don't go for low hanging fruit. I do not attack people based on their disabilities.

:popcorn: Go for it Noir. This is gonna not last long.

Elessar

03-05-2017, 08:11 PM

:popcorn: Go for it Noir. This is gonna not last long.

I bow out. Like wrestling a pig in the mud. Pig seems happy, but you just get dirty.

Noir will be arrogant no matter what., and he's not even amusing.

Noir

03-05-2017, 08:11 PM

Great point, and it is a simple as that. The Bible says it is sinful, pretty clearly. Most Christians wish nothing but the best for gay people in the world, but no one has the right to tell Christians that they're not allowed to consider certain things sinful.

I'd consider it the same right that allows me to tell Muslims that forcing women to cover their 'sinful' bodies regardless of the women's opinion in the matter is not acceptable.

The first argument that non-Christians usually make at this point is "well, if you're committing any sins yourself then you have no right to tell gay people they are committing a sin". To this argument I say that I'm not condemning them, but I am recognizing sinful behavior and don't want to condone it.

Is there anything in the original version of Beauty and the Beast that you do not condone?

Noir

03-05-2017, 08:14 PM

You make lots of excuses. If you are dyslexic...use spell check, kid. You still come across as an arrogant know-it-all.
Don't blame it on the condition.

I didn't know you were dyslexic. As I indicated, it's not about keyboarding anyway. I generally don't go for low hanging fruit. I do not attack people based on their disabilities.

There's a good contrast and compare reply to the same situation. Props to you BD for walking the better path.

Gunny

03-05-2017, 08:23 PM

There's a good contrast and compare reply to the same situation. Props to you BD for walking the better path.You're a p*ssy. Won't even fight. Picking on people's typo's is like the last line of desperation. Perhaps some of us didn't spend our lives behind a keyboard? You know, like having a real life? Then. some of us may have disabilities that screw it up.

But YOU are the "liberal", right? Your acceptance of others is quite lacking.

Balu

03-05-2017, 08:33 PM

I bow out. Like wrestling a pig in the mud. Pig seems happy, but you just get dirty.

Noir will be arrogant no matter what., and he's not even amusing.
Nice, intelligible images! :clap:

fj1200

03-05-2017, 08:51 PM

I missed this. Not giving up any discussion except of my own accord.

If it looks fruitless and the gay activists push their agenda, I may leave it alone.
I have gay friends of BOTH genders. And they do not have big mouths like some
keyboard commandos do.

It makes no sense on a debate board to start a discussion and then cease a discussion before it even gets going which is why it's curious when you spend more time whining about typos than discussing the topic itself.

You show your single-minded ignorance once again. Try to sound so intelligent yet do not know the difference
between YOU"RE (you are) and YOUR

Maybe those subtle clues show you to be a fool.

Are you really incensed about foolish, arrogant, mis-spellers?

The Trump administration has a spelling problem. But how bad is it really? We investigate. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/02/15/the-trump-administration-has-a-spelling-problem-but-how-bad-is-it-really-we-investigate/?utm_term=.f6e47d58d034)

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 09:00 PM

It makes no sense on a debate board to start a discussion and then cease a discussion before it even gets going which is why it's curious when you spend more time whining about typos than discussing the topic itself.

Are you really incensed about foolish, arrogant, mis-spellers?

The Trump administration has a spelling problem. But how bad is it really? We investigate. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/02/15/the-trump-administration-has-a-spelling-problem-but-how-bad-is-it-really-we-investigate/?utm_term=.f6e47d58d034)
All people who have a problem with typos and spelling errors should have voted for Clinton or Johnson.

fj1200

03-05-2017, 09:04 PM

I had a gay cousin I loved who died fairly young of AIDS. After leaving his wife and two young children to pursue his gay partner- changing lifestyle. My lesbian college roommate died a few years after graduation- still don't know cause of death, though she was very immersed in drugs.

It's really pretty simple, though libs try to complicate it. I have lots of love for the gay people in my life. But my Bible tells me it is a sinful lifestyle, like many other sins, and it is clearly not nature's way, so I do not want my young child or grandchild being told by Hollywood that it it normal.

Great point, and it is a simple as that. The Bible says it is sinful, pretty clearly. Most Christians wish nothing but the best for gay people in the world, but no one has the right to tell Christians that they're not allowed to consider certain things sinful.

The first argument that non-Christians usually make at this point is "well, if you're committing any sins yourself then you have no right to tell gay people they are committing a sin". To this argument I say that I'm not condemning them, but I am recognizing sinful behavior and don't want to condone it.

Maybe not so much.

What Does the Bible Really Say About Homosexuality? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-lose/what-does-the-bible-reall_b_990444.html)
Four Basic ViewsMost Christians I have talked to fall into one of four groups regarding these verses, depending on how they address two questions. The first we’ve named directly at several points already: Do the passages refer to anything like the phenomena of life-long, monogamous or mutually consensual same-gendered relationships that we know of today? (It’s worth noting that the word “homosexual” was not present in the ancient world but was instead invented in the 19th century (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/homosexuality/).) The second issue we’ve only alluded to: Whether or not the passages refer to the phenomenon we are describing today, are we bound to ethical determinations made by persons living in vastly different cultures and times and whose understanding of the world and of God’s activity was shaped and limited by their own cultural viewpoints.
Depending on how you answer those two critical questions, you will likely fall into one of our groups.

1. The passages in question refer to homosexual practice in all times and cultures and so universally prohibit such practice.
2. The passages do not refer to homosexuality as we know it today and so cannot be seen as prohibiting it. Other passages therefore need to inform our discussions about sexuality in general and homosexual relationships in particular.
3. The passages may or may not refer to homosexuality as we know it, but they — and the larger witness of Scripture — imply a view of nature and creation that supports sexual relationship and union only between man and woman, and so homosexual practice is prohibited.
4. The passages may or may not refer to homosexuality as we know it, but they — and all of Scripture — are conditioned by the cultural and historical realities of the authors and so offer an incomplete and insufficient understanding of creation and nature and so cannot be used to prohibit homosexual practice today. Rather, one needs to read the larger biblical witness to discern God’s hopes for caring, mutually supportive relationships, whether heterosexual or homosexual.

I think there are very few non-Christians attempting to tell Christians what to think about sinfulness. I know plenty of Christians who do not share your particular view about this particular area of sinfulness though I know plenty of Christians who share it. Overall I think that the views of Christians who truly study the subject will change just as the views of society as a whole will change.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/12/FT_15.12.15_homosexualityChristianGroups.png

fj1200

03-05-2017, 09:11 PM

I agree we went too far from the direct point of the thread.
As to your 1st clause I said that everything depends of the depth of the knowledge required by you. Generally if not deepening into the depths of theology an ordinary reading is enough for a person with average mental abilities as initially the Bible is designed for home reading and home study by ordinary people.
As to the second clause I'll give you an illustrative example to estimate the efficiency of a woman and a man at work, do imaging that their child got ill.
I'm underlining again my opinion that for woman herself and society her children are primary mission, task, care. And this, but not the professional ambitions, is the basis of her Happiness. The rest is supplementary.
Well, in any case I express my own thoughts which surely may differ from those of the others. :slap:

I think the bible can be read, and should, by anyone sitting alone in their home but if you're going to take the time to start "preaching" to others on what is and isn't sin and how lives are led then I think you need a bit more knowledge and understanding which can likely only be attained by further study.
The efficiency of a man vs. a woman is virtually identical when a child is ill. If it's critical then both parents will be worried if it's not critical then it's not only the woman who is handling an illness.
I appreciate your thoughts and the discussion.

fj1200

03-05-2017, 09:14 PM

All people who have a problem with typos and spelling errors should have voted for Clinton or Johnson.

I don't suspect your one-liners will get called out. ;)

Black Diamond

03-05-2017, 09:20 PM

I don't suspect your one-liners will get called out. ;)
I am good at making points with one-liners. Some folks don't appreciate the brevity. :cool:

fj1200

03-05-2017, 09:22 PM

I am good at making points with one-liners. Some folks don't appreciate the brevity. :cool:

Amen. I find it's the '?' that befuddles them so.

Balu

03-05-2017, 09:55 PM

I think the bible can be read, and should, by anyone sitting alone in their home but if you're going to take the time to start "preaching" to others on what is and isn't sin and how lives are led then I think you need a bit more knowledge and understanding which can likely only be attained by further study.
The efficiency of a man vs. a woman is virtually identical when a child is ill. If it's critical then both parents will be worried if it's not critical then it's not only the woman who is handling an illness.
I appreciate your thoughts and the discussion.
I want to clarify.
We are not speaking about 'preaching'. This is a matter of theologists and priests to help those who hesitate. We are speaking about personal acceptance or reject of the sin. Our Almighty gave us the right to decide and choose, and it depends on you which way we go. And the Bible is a guide to follow or not and is used in this discussion as a lighthouse.

fj1200

03-05-2017, 09:59 PM

I want to clarify.
We are not speaking about 'preaching'. This is a matter of priests to help those who hesitate. We are speaking about personal acceptance or reject of the sin. Our Almighty gave us the right to decide and choose, and it depends on you which way we go. And the Bible is a guide to follow or not and is used in this discussion as a lighthouse.

That's why I used it in quotes. I agree with your post up until the point that someone starts making judgments of others.

Balu

03-05-2017, 10:10 PM

That's why I used it in quotes. I agree with your post up until the point that someone starts making judgments of others.
I would say in the other words - do not judge the others, but to resist the spreading of illness which is abnormal for the Human Nature and harmful for the Society. As to the individuals, they made their own choice but this choice must be for them only, but not to be promoted among the others, especially among children.

fj1200

03-05-2017, 10:15 PM

I would say in the other words - do not judge the others, but to resist the spreading of illness which is abnormal for the Human Nature and harmful for the Society. As to the individuals, they made their own choice but this choice must be for them only, but not to be promoted among the others, especially among children.

I respect (almost) :poke: any viewpoint come to honestly. :)

Balu

03-05-2017, 10:28 PM

I respect (almost) :poke: any viewpoint come to honestly. :)
Off topic...
Looking at your avatar made me suffering again moto toxicosis. Waiting for the beginning of the season with great anticipation.:slap:

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15539/1302057.d/0_c57c3_2493a8be_L.jpg

Russ

03-05-2017, 10:42 PM

I'd consider it the same right that allows me to tell Muslims that forcing women to cover their 'sinful' bodies regardless of the women's opinion in the matter is not acceptable.

Is there anything in the original version of Beauty and the Beast that you do not condone?

Not sure where you're going with either one of these comments/questions.

Russ

03-05-2017, 10:57 PM

Maybe not so much.

What Does the Bible Really Say About Homosexuality? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-lose/what-does-the-bible-reall_b_990444.html)

I think there are very few non-Christians attempting to tell Christians what to think about sinfulness. I know plenty of Christians who do not share your particular view about this particular area of sinfulness though I know plenty of Christians who share it. Overall I think that the views of Christians who truly study the subject will change just as the views of society as a whole will change.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/12/FT_15.12.15_homosexualityChristianGroups.png

Yes, so much.

Your reply pretty much misses all relevant points, and wanders off on a tangent regarding polls of what today's Christians think. Sure, there are plenty of polls that show that "Christians" are becoming more accepting of permissive values. But its hard to tell if those people are real Christians, and how the poll questions were worded, and as I said in my post - we can accept gay people and not condemn them, but the Bible is still pretty clear about sinful behavior. Whether poll results change over the years or not does not change what was written in the Bible.

I also noticed you didn't comment on my main point - why is Disney adding this scurrilous and totally non-relevant aspect to a kid's movie? I don't think it is going to improve the story, or increase ticket sales at all. Clearly it is political posturing and indoctrination of the worst sort.

Elessar

03-05-2017, 10:57 PM

Not sure where you're going with either one of these comments/questions.

Nor is he...just yattering trying to sound intellectual.

Weak! Very weak.

Better shine up your game Noir...your rhetoric is getting thin.

Noir

03-06-2017, 03:08 AM

Not sure where you're going with either one of these comments/questions.

Well you could answer and see? Or just ask why someone is asking questions on a website with 'debate' in the title (I don't get the the appeal there, but your call).

pete311

03-06-2017, 09:03 AM

I don't think it is going to improve the story, or increase ticket sales at all.

Disney is an insanely successful business. Maybe don't question their strategy unless you have more ideas than a baseless opinion.

fj1200

03-06-2017, 09:21 AM

Off topic...
Looking at your avatar made me suffering again moto toxicosis. Waiting for the beginning of the season with great anticipation.:slap:

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15539/1302057.d/0_c57c3_2493a8be_L.jpg

My knowledge of Russian bikes is limited to the Ural and that doesn't look like a Ural.

fj1200

03-06-2017, 09:30 AM

Yes, so much.

Your reply pretty much misses all relevant points, and wanders off on a tangent regarding polls of what today's Christians think. Sure, there are plenty of polls that show that "Christians" are becoming more accepting of permissive values. But its hard to tell if those people are real Christians, and how the poll questions were worded, and as I said in my post - we can accept gay people and not condemn them, but the Bible is still pretty clear about sinful behavior. Whether poll results change over the years or not does not change what was written in the Bible.

I also noticed you didn't comment on my main point - why is Disney adding this scurrilous and totally non-relevant aspect to a kid's movie? I don't think it is going to improve the story, or increase ticket sales at all. Clearly it is political posturing and indoctrination of the worst sort.

I provided links that lend credence to my assertions; attitudes of Christians, questions of the sinfulness of homosexuality, etc. That you merely deny shows how much on point it was. :) FWIW I'm not here challenging anyone's Christianity yet you are the one who is doing exactly that.

And I don't really care why Disney did this. I'm sure my kids wouldn't see anything in the movie that they don't see at church or in our neighborhood.

Abbey Marie

03-06-2017, 04:58 PM

I provided links that lend credence to my assertions; attitudes of Christians, questions of the sinfulness of homosexuality, etc. That you merely deny shows how much on point it was. :) FWIW I'm not here challenging anyone's Christianity yet you are the one who is doing exactly that.

And I don't really care why Disney did this. I'm sure my kids wouldn't see anything in the movie that they don't see at church or in our neighborhood.

Doesn't bother you, so it shouldn't bother anyone else. Right, gotcha. :rolleyes:

As for your polls, the fact that (particularly) main line denoms have decided to change their minds about what the Bible says, means exactly what? I will answer for you- it means they have gone astray. Why they have gone astray is interesting, but conjectural.

Btw, the church you choose to attend has unrepentant gays? I guess that explains a lot about the roots of your liberal Christian philosophies.

:dunno:

Russ

03-06-2017, 06:08 PM

I provided links that lend credence to my assertions; attitudes of Christians, questions of the sinfulness of homosexuality, etc. That you merely deny shows how much on point it was. :) FWIW I'm not here challenging anyone's Christianity yet you are the one who is doing exactly that.

And I don't really care why Disney did this. I'm sure my kids wouldn't see anything in the movie that they don't see at church or in our neighborhood.

I don't dispute that you found a link to a poll indicating that Christians are getting more permissive. I did dispute the relevance of the poll, and I question its poll methodology.

Fine, you don't care why Disney did this, but I do. I think it is politically-based and is meant to indoctrinate, and is aimed at kids who aren't yet ready to fend off indoctrination. And I definitely think that is a problem. Movies for adults can contain whatever political themes, because adults can make up their own minds, but this kind of stuff doesn't belong in kids movies.

Russ

03-06-2017, 06:12 PM

Disney is an insanely successful business. Maybe don't question their strategy unless you have more ideas than a baseless opinion.

So by that thinking, Donald Trump is an insanely successful guy. So you're saying you will never question his strategies? (I didn't bother mentioning the part about you having more than a baseless opinion, because, well....:rolleyes:)

Russ

03-06-2017, 09:25 PM

Well you could answer and see? Or just ask why someone is asking questions on a website with 'debate' in the title (I don't get the the appeal there, but your call).

Okay, fine Noir. I will reply to your questions...
1. The right of Christians to consider something sinful if it is in the Bible is not the same as the right of Muslims to force women to cover their bodies. In the one case, the Christians are not forcing anyone to do anything, and they do not physically harm anyone that doesn't do what they want.
2. I don't really condone or not condone anything in the original Beauty and the Beast. I just considered it a nice story, and I very much like the fact that it didn't bring politics or indoctrination into the story.

Gunny

03-06-2017, 09:46 PM

Well you could answer and see? Or just ask why someone is asking questions on a website with 'debate' in the title (I don't get the the appeal there, but your call).

What would you know about debate? All you want to do is tell others what to think and probably have more members on ignore than are actually active for disagreeing with you.

Noir

03-07-2017, 04:41 AM

Okay, fine Noir. I will reply to your questions...
1. The right of Christians to consider something sinful if it is in the Bible is not the same as the right of Muslims to force women to cover their bodies. In the one case, the Christians are not forcing anyone to do anything, and they do not physically harm anyone that doesn't do what they want.

The Muslim in question would not have to force a women to 'cover their sinful body' a Muslim who is of the opinion 'a woman can wear whatever she wants, but I think she should cover her sinful body' has the wrong belief, no?

2. I don't really condone or not condone anything in the original Beauty and the Beast. I just considered it a nice story, and I very much like the fact that it didn't bring politics or indoctrination into the story.

So you can enjoy a movie without 'condoning or not condoning' anything in it?

Also the movie is very political! Look at the interactions between Belle and Gaston, you don't think that's political?
Are you aware that the original script for BatB was scrapped because of feedback to the 'Little Mermaid' was that Ariel didn't have much of any agency in the film, and they wanted to fix that with Belle? Do you consider a woman's agency to be political?

Gunny

03-07-2017, 06:08 AM

The Muslim in question would not have to force a women to 'cover their sinful body' a Muslim who is of the opinion 'a woman can wear whatever she wants, but I think she should cover her sinful body' has the wrong belief, no?

So you can enjoy a movie without 'condoning or not condoning' anything in it?

Also the movie is very political! Look at the interactions between Belle and Gaston, you don't think that's political?
Are you aware that the original script for BatB was scrapped because of feedback to the 'Little Mermaid' was that Ariel didn't have much of any agency in the film, and they wanted to fix that with Belle? Do you consider a woman's agency to be political?Nonsensical response. You are all over the stratosphere yet not addressing the actual topic.

Nobody cares if you are or are not. Teaching children it is normal behavior is WRONG. Aside from religion, it is biologically dysfunctional behavior. Period. End of story. The media indoctrinating our children that the aberrant is normal is WRONG.

What's wrong with this picture? "We have a gay guy that defines who he is by biologically aberrant behavior? I have to announce that I am gay. That makes me important. " I sure as hell don't have an announcement on my forehead that says I"m hetero. No "I'm a man" parades nor movies. If you need an adjective to define who and what you are, you got a serious issue. Don't try to piss down my neck and tell me it's rainin'.

Balu

03-07-2017, 06:51 AM

I think there is only one question to be answered by everybody to himself - Is it permissible to promote and advertise the homosexual relations in ANY form among the others, especially among children. It may be in different forms - from demonstrations to School programs. Sexual relations in general is a very intimate subject and the audience for it is restricted by the age and a place for demonstration and distribution.
I wonder how the demonstration of supporters of missionary pose who declared it as fighting for 'their rights' could look on the streets of cities? :laugh:

Russ

03-07-2017, 07:33 AM

The Muslim in question would not have to force a women to 'cover their sinful body' a Muslim who is of the opinion 'a woman can wear whatever she wants, but I think she should cover her sinful body' has the wrong belief, no?

So you can enjoy a movie without 'condoning or not condoning' anything in it?

Also the movie is very political! Look at the interactions between Belle and Gaston, you don't think that's political?
Are you aware that the original script for BatB was scrapped because of feedback to the 'Little Mermaid' was that Ariel didn't have much of any agency in the film, and they wanted to fix that with Belle? Do you consider a woman's agency to be political?

I'm not even sure what you're talking about with most of this, which is why I hesitated to reply to the previous questions.

The first part, about the Muslim beliefs, sounds so theoretical and contrived that it is losing touch with the real world. I will not reply to that because I'm not sure what I'm replying to.

For the second part, about condoning or not condoning the original Beauty and the Beast, this is what I thought was going to happen. You think that you've caught me contradicting myself, or being hypocritical, or some such. To that I say "No, you haven't." The original Beauty and the Beast had nothing political about it at all, imho. You seem to be saying it is political in a woman's rights way because Belle reads books, thinks for herself, and doesn't swoon for Gaston. In my opinion, that doesn't count as politics, it is just storytelling.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-07-2017, 07:51 AM

I'm not even sure what you're talking about with most of this, which is why I hesitated to reply to the previous questions.

The first part, about the Muslim beliefs, sounds so theoretical and contrived that it is losing touch with the real world. I will not reply to that because I'm not sure what I'm replying to.

For the second part, about condoning or not condoning the original Beauty and the Beast, this is what I thought was going to happen. You think that you've caught me contradicting myself, or being hypocritical, or some such. To that I say "No, you haven't." The original Beauty and the Beast had nothing political about it at all, imho. You seem to be saying it is political in a woman's rights way because Belle reads books, thinks for herself, and doesn't swoon for Gaston. In my opinion, that doesn't count as politics, it is just storytelling.

Liberals love to go back, re-frame, change and falsely represent something as a way to solidify a later attempt at fortifying their losing position.
in this case, you caught Noir, misrepresenting the nature /character of the original movie so that he could then pontificate a current fallacy comparison...
I think they in their abject blindness do that little deceptive tactic by instinct.
And do so because often their opposition fails to address the lie , and instead let it stand.
Noir's entire comparison/foundation fails, because you correctly pointed out that fallacy, IMHO...-TYR

Balu

03-07-2017, 07:59 AM

... You seem to be saying it is political in a woman's rights way because Belle reads books, thinks for herself, and doesn't swoon for Gaston. In my opinion, that doesn't count as politics, it is just storytelling.
A bit off topic, about "women's rights"...
Can anybody answer why women have never fought to participate in men's chess championships?
For me it always remained an unsolved puzzle. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/umnik2.gif

fj1200

03-07-2017, 11:32 AM

Doesn't bother you, so it shouldn't bother anyone else. Right, gotcha. :rolleyes:

As for your polls, the fact that (particularly) main line denoms have decided to change their minds about what the Bible says, means exactly what? I will answer for you- it means they have gone astray. Why they have gone astray is interesting, but conjectural.

Btw, the church you choose to attend has unrepentant gays? I guess that explains a lot about the roots of your liberal Christian philosophies.

:dunno:

You've clearly inferred my post incorrectly. As far as the polls have you noticed that every denomination polled showed an increase in acceptance? Can't just whine about the mainlines from that aspect now can you. And I also go to an "evangelical" church. ;)

BTW I don't have liberal-Christian philosophies, I have Christian philosophies and they're based in reading the bible in context and trying to understand to the best of my abilities. There isn't any straying in my book besides how many topics in Christianity have changed when some have "gone astray" and now are accepted and endorsed by almost all?

fj1200

03-07-2017, 11:40 AM

I don't dispute that you found a link to a poll indicating that Christians are getting more permissive. I did dispute the relevance of the poll, and I question its poll methodology.

Fine, you don't care why Disney did this, but I do. I think it is politically-based and is meant to indoctrinate, and is aimed at kids who aren't yet ready to fend off indoctrination. And I definitely think that is a problem. Movies for adults can contain whatever political themes, because adults can make up their own minds, but this kind of stuff doesn't belong in kids movies.

Then it would behoove you to investigate what exactly might be wrong with the poll methodology rather than just ignorantly dispute the relevance. Especially when the relevance is so obvious. Pew is most likely a fly-by-night operation. :rolleyes:

I can't force you to watch a movie of course but I can suggest that your particular Christian view is not the only Christian view and good Christians can have the opposite view and still be good Christians who have not "gone astray."

Abbey Marie

03-07-2017, 11:51 AM

You've clearly inferred my post incorrectly. As far as the polls have you noticed that every denomination polled showed an increase in acceptance? Can't just whine about the mainlines from that aspect now can you. And I also go to an "evangelical" church. ;)

BTW I don't have liberal-Christian philosophies, I have Christian philosophies and they're based in reading the bible in context and trying to understand to the best of my abilities. There isn't any straying in my book besides how many topics in Christianity have changed when some have "gone astray" and now are accepted and endorsed by almost all?

You've clearly missed where in my post I said "particularly".

I am so impressed that you are able to read the Bible "in context" so much better than the rest of us. If only we and all the study guides I've seen over the decades could do that! :rolleyes:

As for your poll, the question posted in the poll is whether gays should be "accepted by society". A very different question from, "Is it a sin in the eyes of God". No one here is saying society should reject them. In fact, in that light, the numbers are kind of low.

Russ was right about needing to know more about the questions asked, etc. One might even say, you need to know the context. :poke:

fj1200

03-07-2017, 11:58 AM

Youve clearly missed where in my post I said "particularly".

I am am so impressed that you are able to read the Bible "in context" so much better than the rest of us. If only we and all the study guides I've seen over the decades could do that! :rolleyes:

As for your poll, the question you posted is whether gays should be accepted by society. A very different question from, "Is it a sin in the eyes of God". No one here is saying society should reject them. In fact, in that light, the numbers are kind of low.

Russ was right about needing to know more about the questions, asked, etc. One might even say, you need to know the context.

I didn't classify Catholic and Orthodox Christian as Mainline. As far as what I've tried to do it took effort to seek out alternative viewpoints. If you've done so as well and can tell me why they're wrong then I'm happy to take a look. I try to not just tell people that they're "astray."

I look forward to you telling me how the polls were done incorrectly and I look forward to you posting a poll that details the "sin" status of being gay.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-07-2017, 12:38 PM

A bit off topic, about "women's rights"...
Can anybody answer why women have never fought to participate in men's chess championships?
For me it always remained an unsolved puzzle. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/umnik2.gif

Or why havent men fought to be in female beauty pageants?
Why havent white women fought to be in Miss black America beauty pageants?

Seems to me that logic and common sense is the answer why..
Something the libs gays, and dem moonbats have almost none of.......-Tyr

Balu

03-07-2017, 01:19 PM

Or why havent men fought to be in female beauty pageants?
Why havent white women fought to be in Miss black America beauty pageants?

Seems to me that logic and common sense is the answer why..
Something the libs gays, and dem moonbats have almost none of.......-Tyr

Sorry, Robert. But there is nothing in common with what you've enumerated. ALL of them may compete in chess as this is a pure play of BRAINS - logic and analytic and it doesn't depend on strength, shape, political preferences, gender and other features of the participants. I think you've gotten what I mean. :slap:

pete311

03-07-2017, 02:27 PM

Disney made the movie and it will be released. Deal with it. Sounds like ya'll have a case of the butt hurts.

Gunny

03-07-2017, 03:16 PM

Disney made the movie and it will be released. Deal with it. Sounds like ya'll have a case of the butt hurts.

What's to deal with? You lefties have been passing off gays for years as normal behavior. Disney has had gay-ass parades for a couple of decades. Haven't gotten a wooden nickel out of me in a couple of decades. There's no butt hurt in not supporting something you don't believe in.

It's just a commentary on my part. Freedom and choice is not a 1-way street. You want yours at the expense of mine.

Jeff

03-07-2017, 05:23 PM

Wow
All this over some goober smootchers, yes it's a shame that the Libs are trying to shove this sheet down everyone's throats but as I read in another thread good parenting is all that's needed. My kids aren't allowed to listen to rap or watch certain things on TV, or play certain video games (God some of those games are bad) as for fags in a Disney show no I don't agree , I don't like it but my kids will learn it's wrong, just as when they see other homo sheot on TV, heck they see movies that show murders but they know it's wrong. Parenting starts the day that child is born and I became who my kids look up to not the any video, tv show or anything like it. Its a shame this trash is being forced on all of us and yes I feel it's wrong but this country has lost all it morals , President Trump is trying to turn it around and hopefully he will, transgender bathrooms my goodness how stupid. But until things get right I will police my kid. My boys (the younger ones) are both in HS now, both in the Beta club (Jr. Honor society) both wrestle and did so on varsity (they are freshmen) both play baseball for the school, they also play travel ball and they know right from wrong. I am extremely proud of them , they aren't like me :laugh: they know fags are perverts but they don't taunt them they just leave them alone, they aren't prejudice at all but know right from wrong, guess in a nut shell what I am saying is in my eyes a fag in the show is wrong but until we get morals back isn't this country this stuff is gonna happen, so just keep up good parenting and let the bleeding hearts raise future bleeding hearts, after all our kids will need something to help parent their kids and it could be a good example of what not to be.

Abbey Marie

03-07-2017, 07:09 PM

I didn't classify Catholic and Orthodox Christian as Mainline. As far as what I've tried to do it took effort to seek out alternative viewpoints. If you've done so as well and can tell me why they're wrong then I'm happy to take a look. I try to not just tell people that they're "astray."

I look forward to you telling me how the polls were done incorrectly and I look forward to you posting a poll that details the "sin" status of being gay.

Uh, nice try, but I did not say your poll was "done wrong". I said the question posed whether they should be accepted by society, is different from asking if it is sinful. And it still is. I'm sorry if your poll does not support your claim, but it is decidedly not my job to fix that for you.

In closing, though you seem to be of the "everyone's going to heaven" ilk, I will leave you with the Biblical thought that Jesus said the road is narrow.

And with that, this topic has been discussed as much as it deserves. IMO.

aboutime

03-07-2017, 07:14 PM

Disney made the movie and it will be released. Deal with it. Sounds like ya'll have a case of the butt hurts.

Right petey. Sounds like you are really, really happy that Disney finally stooped low enough to show Americans what your life is really like. As for the BUTT HURTS, that's just your way of telling us how Dangerous Your Life is...bending over all the time.:laugh:

Russ

03-07-2017, 07:59 PM

A bit off topic, about "women's rights"...
Can anybody answer why women have never fought to participate in men's chess championships?
For me it always remained an unsolved puzzle. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/umnik2.gif

I thought they did? None have reached #1 ranking in the world, but some have broken the top ten, and I some have beaten former #1 ranked players. Perhaps it is just a zugzwang situation.

gabosaurus

03-07-2017, 08:03 PM

Gunny

03-07-2017, 08:39 PM

I think many of you are basing your disapproval of a gay Disney character on an incorrect believe that homosexuality is a choice. Which it is not.
It would be like people protesting that no Disney character should have red hair. Since only evil people have red hair. If you want to be a Disney character, you should choose to have blonde hair.
Also, Disney characters should not choose to have any form of cancer. And they choose to be tall and have small noses. :rolleyes:

Behavior IS a choice. PERIOD. Your argument is ludicrous. If I act out of the norm I end up with leftwingnuts up my a$$. But it's okay to be less than 10% of the population and presented as more than what they are.

And, FYI, my hair was strawberry blonde and I have hazel-green eyes. I think all you people with hair need to shave your heads because you offend me with your rats nest. And I want a special political group because Y'all brown eye'd f*ckers offend me.

See how ridiculous that sounds?

aboutime

03-07-2017, 09:30 PM

I think many of you are basing your disapproval of a gay Disney character on an incorrect believe that homosexuality is a choice. Which it is not.
It would be like people protesting that no Disney character should have red hair. Since only evil people have red hair. If you want to be a Disney character, you should choose to have blonde hair.
Also, Disney characters should not choose to have any form of cancer. And they choose to be tall and have small noses. :rolleyes:

Poor gabby. Everyone should send her your condolences. Her LOBOTOMY failed again.

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Gunny

03-07-2017, 10:04 PM

Poor gabby. Everyone should send her your condolences. Her LOBOTOMY failed again.

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I'm just not sure what color to go with in my hate group. My eyes are usually hazel. They get green when I get mad. Don't ask me why. I have no clue and I;m not the Hulk. They just do that.

So I'm trying to figure out who all I should hate here. People with hair. People who don't have eyes that change color. Non-smokers. People who think Taco Hell is Mexican food ..... I can go on all night. I just want to get my right-wing, I hate you club together.

Sounds to me like it's the left with the you're different than me hate clubs. Need to quit calling themselves liberals. Nothing liberal about them.

gabosaurus

03-07-2017, 10:35 PM

So tell me Gunny. Did you choose to be born into a military family? Did your daughter choose to be born into a military family? Did you choose to grow up poor?
There are conditions that you have no control over. How you were born is one of them.

Gunny

03-07-2017, 10:46 PM

[QUOTE=gabosaurus;859167]So tell me Gunny. Did you choose to be born into a military family? Did your daughter choose to be born into a military family? Did you choose to grow up poor?
There are conditions that you have no control over. How you were born is one of them.[/Q
What's that got to do with about anything? I made the best of what I had and didn't sit around whining about what I didn't have. Nobody's given me sh*t. I've had to earn everything I have.

You get out, get off your ass and do something. What's this got to do with the topic?

aboutime

03-07-2017, 10:53 PM

gabosaurus

03-07-2017, 11:43 PM

What's that got to do with about anything? I made the best of what I had and didn't sit around whining about what I didn't have. Nobody's given me sh*t. I've had to earn everything I have.
You get out, get off your ass and do something. What's this got to do with the topic?

My point is that you can't do anything about how you were born. If you are born poor, you make the best of it. If you were born with one arm or one leg, you made the best of it. If you were born gay, you made the best of it.
You can't choose your parents. And you can't choose your genetic makeup.

Jeff

03-08-2017, 12:31 AM

I think many of you are basing your disapproval of a gay Disney character on an incorrect believe that homosexuality is a choice. Which it is not.
It would be like people protesting that no Disney character should have red hair. Since only evil people have red hair. If you want to be a Disney character, you should choose to have blonde hair.
Also, Disney characters should not choose to have any form of cancer. And they choose to be tall and have small noses. :rolleyes:
:lol:

Sorry Gabs but being a goober smoocher is a choice, you decide do I want to be a pervert or not, period. If being a fag is a choice is being a pedophile a choice, answer, no its not , being a pedophile just means your a pervert with a death wish .

Gunny

03-08-2017, 06:53 AM

My point is that you can't do anything about how you were born. If you are born poor, you make the best of it. If you were born with one arm or one leg, you made the best of it. If you were born gay, you made the best of it.
You can't choose your parents. And you can't choose your genetic makeup.Sorry. No sale. That argument's never flown with me. You're not "born" anything but human, male or female. You get to breathe just so long as you can. Which has nothing to do with my comment.

Wanna be gay? Go in your house and be gay. But pass your behavior off as normal it is not. It is biologically dysfunctional. It is morally reprehensive and corrupt. There's NOTHING right about it. SO don't be teaching my gids it's normal behavior.

Tell me just why is it we need an openly gay cartoon character? What is the point to it? Why does anyone identify themselves as a person by their sexual deviance.? And why does it have to be shoved down my kids' throats?

pete311

03-08-2017, 09:04 AM

:lol:

Sorry Gabs but being a goober smoocher is a choice, you decide do I want to be a pervert or not, period. If being a fag is a choice is being a pedophile a choice, answer, no its not , being a pedophile just means your a pervert with a death wish .

Neither appear to be a choice, but one is harmful, the other is not.

pete311

03-08-2017, 09:06 AM

Sorry. No sale. That argument's never flown with me. You're not "born" anything but human, male or female. You get to breathe just so long as you can. Which has nothing to do with my comment.

Wanna be gay? Go in your house and be gay. But pass your behavior off as normal it is not. It is biologically dysfunctional. It is morally reprehensive and corrupt. There's NOTHING right about it. SO don't be teaching my gids it's normal behavior.

this is your ignorant opinion backed by nothing. an opinion that i dying out if you look at the progress in the last 50 years. enjoy the ride on your sinking ship. your opinion will not matter and in the following decades tolerance will continue to grow.

Abbey Marie

03-08-2017, 09:23 AM

Just saw on ABC news that Russia is banning children under 16 from seeing BatB due to the gay character. (Would link, but it's a pain on this iPad).
Balu

Gunny

03-08-2017, 10:27 AM

this is your ignorant opinion backed by nothing. an opinion that i dying out if you look at the progress in the last 50 years. enjoy the ride on your sinking ship. your opinion will not matter and in the following decades tolerance will continue to grow.

Nothing? I don't have to define myself and have a parade about my sexuality. I don't need a TV show nor a movie. You do. So what's that say about ignorance? I ain't trying to shove anything down everyone else;s ass.

Let's have the Gunny show. I'm normal and I like girls. Got a tee shirt and ball cap?

Abbey Marie

03-08-2017, 10:40 AM

Neither appear to be a choice, but one is harmful, the other is not.

I don't know if gayness is genetic. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I do recall a boy in my daughter's 1st grade class who loved to wear nail polish. But it seems there should be scientific proof before folks go making definitive statements about it such as you have done.

Either way, there are lots of folks these days who experiment with gay relationships, especially in HS and college. I personally saw a few in my daughter's school. Then they go back to being heterosexual. Were they born gay?

pete311

03-08-2017, 10:41 AM

Nothing? I don't have to define myself and have a parade about my sexuality. I don't need a TV show nor a movie. You do. So what's that say about ignorance? I ain't trying to shove anything down everyone else;s ass.

So making a minor character in an animation movie that no one is forcing you to watch is shoving homosexuality down your ass? btw weird choice of language there... Freudian?

pete311

03-08-2017, 10:49 AM

I don't know if gayness is genetic. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I do recall a boy in my daughter's 1st grade class who loved to wear nail polish. But it seems there should be scientific proof before folks go making definitive statements about it such as you have done.

Either way, there are lots of folks these days who experiment with gay relationships, especially in HS and college. I personally saw a few in my daughter's school. Then they go back to being heterosexual. Were they born gay?

There is nothing inherently feminine about nail polish. It's an attribute that our culture has arbitrarily placed on the chemical. As you have shown, nature is not binary. There are shades of all colors because nature is naturally that diverse. Experimentation is not homosexuality. A heterosexual person can do homosexual actions and not be homosexual. In many cultures it's normal to hold hands with another man or to kiss a brother or father on the lips as a greeting or goodbye. I would encourage anyone to actually spend time with a confident gay person and ask questions. That is how you find answers.

Gunny

03-08-2017, 10:59 AM

So making a minor character in an animation movie that no one is forcing you to watch is shoving homosexuality down your ass? btw weird choice of language there... Freudian?==

Nope. Don't try to obscure a point with me. I could care less myself, personally. However, indoctrinating people does. I'm smart enough to know it;s stupid. Allt he idiots that voted for Hitlery are not.

And anytime you want to have an ineilectual argument with me? Bring it.

pete311

03-08-2017, 11:03 AM

==

Nope. Don't try to obscure a point with me. I could care less myself, personally. However, indoctrinating people does. I'm smart enough to know it;s stupid. Allt he idiots that voted for Hitlery are not.

And anytime you want to have an ineilectual argument with me? Bring it.

First check your spelling

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-08-2017, 11:45 AM

this is your ignorant opinion backed by nothing. an opinion that i dying out if you look at the progress in the last 50 years. enjoy the ride on your sinking ship. your opinion will not matter and in the following decades tolerance will continue to grow.

your opinion will not matter and in the following decades tolerance will continue to grow.

Tolerance, you call it...hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Brainwashing little children , too young to understand or make a mature judgment on such , is supposedly enlightened and benign tolerance according to you!
Since the obvious truth of it is its deliberate brainwashing of innocent children -the correct term would be child abuse--not ffing tolerance!

Look, I do not give a damn what two dogs aboinking in the privacy of their bedroom do--however this insane, perverted and militant gay agenda that now includes brainwashing our children has to be addressed and stopped in its perversion and child abuse, IMHO!-TYR

pete311

03-08-2017, 11:53 AM

Brainwashing little children

You are confusing it with religion

Russ

03-08-2017, 12:33 PM

I think many of you are basing your disapproval of a gay Disney character on an incorrect believe that homosexuality is a choice. Which it is not.
It would be like people protesting that no Disney character should have red hair. Since only evil people have red hair. If you want to be a Disney character, you should choose to have blonde hair.
Also, Disney characters should not choose to have any form of cancer. And they choose to be tall and have small noses. :rolleyes:

Not at all. My disapproval of the gay Disney character is based on it not belonging in a kid's movie, and the fact that the gay character was spuriously shoved into a movie where it didn't belong, strictly because of the director's politics, and his desire to indoctrinate kids.

pete311

03-08-2017, 12:53 PM

Not at all. My disapproval of the gay Disney character is based on it not belonging in a kid's movie, and the fact that the gay character was spuriously shoved into a movie where it didn't belong, strictly because of the director's politics, and his desire to indoctrinate kids.

proof

fj1200

03-08-2017, 12:58 PM

Uh, nice try, but I did not say your poll was "done wrong". I said the question posed whether they should be accepted by society, is different from asking if it is sinful. And it still is. I'm sorry if your poll does not support your claim, but it is decidedly not my job to fix that for you.

In closing, though you seem to be of the "everyone's going to heaven" ilk, I will leave you with the Biblical thought that Jesus said the road is narrow.

And with that, this topic has been discussed as much as it deserves. IMO.

Which is why I followed up with looking forward to your poll on how many Christians think it's sinful. I don't think I've made any sort of claim on that. The only claim I make regarding the poll is exactly what the poll says.

Overall I think that the views of Christians who truly study the subject will change just as the views of society as a whole will change.
In other words, nothing needs fixing. ;) Do you think that the number of Christians who do not think homosexuality is sinful has fallen, risen, or stayed the same? I would bet good money that it has gone up but not at the numbers indicated in the poll.

FWIW, please though don't presume to tell me what I think. Not everyone is going to heaven. By grace...

Russ

03-08-2017, 03:10 PM

proof

I will post the proof separately on "proofpolicy.com". Here on debatepolicy.com, I will rely on my argument that there is absolutely no reason for the director to add this little bit of gayness to a kid's film, other than politics and indoctrination. If you can think of any other reasons, then please mention them here.

I will further predict that the director's decision to add the gay agenda to this kids film will end up costing Disney a fair number of ticket sales and merchandising sales. And especially later on in DVD sales. I'm aware that the film was already generating a record amount of ticket pre-sales, before the gay character news came out, but I'll bet the ticket pre-sales rates since then have gone down noticeably.

On the flip side of the coin, it probably increases the chance that Hollywood will nominate the film for awards.

Elessar

03-08-2017, 03:16 PM

proof

Your argument is proof.

You allow it. Word 'condone' comes to mind.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

03-08-2017, 03:19 PM

You are confusing it with religion
No I am not. I am looking at it in a logical way. Same way that our society has laws against exploiting children, exposing young children to-ADULT CONTENT MOVIES AND /OR SEX ACTS.
In a way this is more insidious and worse. It cleverly slips in as a foundation , the insane lie that being gay is normal.
This promoting of the militant gay agenda is a truly despicable act.
I have to ask, what is not off limits to do if this is accepted behavior?-Tyr

pete311

03-08-2017, 03:19 PM

I will further predict that the director's decision to add the gay agenda to this kids film will end up costing Disney a fair number of ticket sales and merchandising sales. And especially later on in DVD sales. I'm aware that the film was already generating a record amount of ticket pre-sales, before the gay character news came out, but I'll bet the ticket pre-sales rates since then have gone down noticeably.

I'll be sure to come back after first weekend sales is out. I'm a Disney stock holder.

pete311

03-08-2017, 03:20 PM

No I am not. I am looking at it in a logical way. Same way that our society has laws against exploiting children, exposing young children to-ADULT CONTENT MOVIES AND /OR SEX ACTS.
In a way this is more insidious and worse. It cleverly slips in as a foundation , the insane lie that being gay is normal.
This promoting of the militant gay agenda is a truly despicable act.
I have to ask, what is not off limits to do if this is accepted behavior?-Tyr

What sex acts are planned for this movie?

aboutime

03-08-2017, 03:22 PM

What sex acts are planned for this movie?

petey. Only you can answer that question, since you seem to be defending it so much. It just may be a representation of your own BIOGRAPHY, that Disney ran across, and made a FANTASY to keep you happy.

Russ

03-08-2017, 03:45 PM

I'll be sure to come back after first weekend sales is out. I'm a Disney stock holder.

Like I said previously, I was already aware that the film was already generating a record amount of pre-ticket sales, so don't show up after the first weekend crowing about how many tickets were sold for the first weekend.

But those ticket sales were all before the director pulled his little bait and switch. Nobody heard about the gay agenda in the film until about a week ago. A lot of tickets were sold before that.

The drop in sales will become evident a few weeks later. For example, you can compare it to "Finding Dory". If ticket sales for Beauty and the Beast drop off faster than they did for Finding Dory, then it will be strong support for my prediction. But like I also said in the previous post, this kind of thing is difficult to quantify.

Black Diamond

03-08-2017, 03:52 PM

What sex acts are planned for this movie?
You sodomize a poodle in it. You should have no problem with the scene.....

Russ

03-08-2017, 04:05 PM

What sex acts are planned for this movie?

There's a disturbing scene where the ticket-buying public gets totally screwed over by the political-agenda director.

pete311

03-08-2017, 04:34 PM

There's a disturbing scene where the ticket-buying public gets totally screwed over by the political-agenda director.
Lots of problems in the world. Keep spending time on a gay tea cup. Awesome use of time. On your death bed you'll be thankful for this one.

Russ

03-08-2017, 04:51 PM

Lots of problems in the world. Keep spending time on a gay tea cup. Awesome use of time. On your death bed you'll be thankful for this one.

Ha! I can tell when you're feeling beaten, Petey, when you resort to saying "why are you bothering to take the time to debate with me?". Actually, put that way, it may be the best point you've made in a long time... :rolleyes:

pete311

03-08-2017, 05:14 PM

Ha! I can tell when you're feeling beaten, Petey, when you resort to saying "why are you bothering to take the time to debate with me?". Actually, put that way, it may be the best point you've made in a long time... :rolleyes:

Beaten? You're homophobic, I am not. What is the debate?

tailfins

03-08-2017, 05:21 PM

Wellll, your anger aside, there is a vast difference between seeing something on the street, and seeing it promoted and given the thumbs-up in a children's movie. Why do you think Madison Ave and Hollywood constantly try to normalize it through entertainment? They know the power of the media to influence minds.

That is an excellent point. My approach to teaching my kids how to respond to homosexuality was to let homosexuals be viewed in their natural habitat. My son went in to buy a souvenir at a convenience store in Provincetown, Massachusetts. He quickly ran back out saying that the items in the store were "inappropriate". Just let middle school and up kids see in homosexuals in their "full glory". It's the best inoculation that I can think of.

Gunny

03-08-2017, 06:39 PM

First check your spellingFirst sign of a losing argument. My spelling is fine. My typing is not. Do you read only what you feel the urge to? I had a couple of stokes and have some nerve damage.

The content remains the same. The typo lame-ass excuse does too. I can probably out-spell you 8 days a week.

Gunny

03-08-2017, 06:47 PM

Ha! I can tell when you're feeling beaten, Petey, when you resort to saying "why are you bothering to take the time to debate with me?". Actually, put that way, it may be the best point you've made in a long time... :rolleyes:You shold have seen that coming when he went after my typo's.

aboutime

03-08-2017, 06:50 PM

Beaten? You're homophobic, I am not. What is the debate?

Thanks petey. The very fact you felt a need to defend against the truth proves you are actually the one who is homophobic. Your liberal teachings, and brainwashing have taught you to follow the DNC, Liberal rules about insisting with accusations, whenever you are confronted with TRUTH.

tailfins

03-08-2017, 07:15 PM

If you think that shoplifting is wrong, does that make you kleptophobic?

Abbey Marie

03-08-2017, 08:19 PM

There's a disturbing scene where the ticket-buying public gets totally screwed over by the political-agenda director.

:laugh2:

revelarts

04-06-2017, 11:46 AM

pete311

04-06-2017, 11:58 AM

The movie was a huge success and the gay character is no issue. Literally no once cares but a few nutjobs. What is lined up next for your outrage?

revelarts

04-06-2017, 12:34 PM

The movie was a huge success and the gay character is no issue. Literally no once cares but a few nutjobs. What is lined up next for your outrage?

It is an issue obviously.
and the creators made a POINT of adding the character in.

I know people who like the film IN SPITE of the homosexual character but sincerely wish it had not been added. Plus it added nothing to the story. And it's simply propaganda piece and wedge into another area of traditional cultural standards. "1st gay character in a Disney Film!!" propaganda tool. normalization 101.

your assumption that everyone who doesn't think like you is crazy or part of some fringe minority is part of the problem.

Most people tolerate homosexuality and homosexuals fine. But we don't want it Promoted or paraded around as if it's not a small and deviant from of sexuality. especially in front of children.

Black Diamond

04-06-2017, 12:41 PM

It is an issue obviously.
and the creators made a POINT of adding the character in.

I know people who like the film IN SPITE of the homosexual character but sincerely wish it had not been added. Plus it added nothing to the story. And it's a simply propaganda piece and wedge into another area of traditional cultural standards. "1st gay character in a Disney Film!!" propaganda tool. normalization 101.

your assumption that everyone who doesn't think like you is crazy or part of some fringe minority is part of the problem.

Most people tolerate homosexuality and homosexuals fine. But we don't want it Promoted or paraded around as if it's not a small and deviant from of sexuality. especially in front of children.
If I were a parent I would have to preview every Disney movie before allowing the kiddies to watch. Why? Because from now on, the second, third and fourth character won't make the news.

pete311

04-06-2017, 12:56 PM

No one is discussing but you guys. Move on to something worthwhile.

jimnyc

04-06-2017, 01:02 PM

No one is discussing but you guys. Move on to something worthwhile.

I see the discussion on many boards I go to, and it's been on the news endlessly, although maybe not all stations and outlets. Don't act like just a few you dislike on here are the only ones discussing this. Simply do a search and you'll prove yourself wrong.

Here, if this works, I'll just prove you wrong. Google's advanced search, listing things within the past week for "disney gay character beauty beast". I can provide individual links to the news stories if this isn't good enough.

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=disney+gay+character+beauty+beast&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=w&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

04-06-2017, 02:00 PM

I see the discussion on many boards I go to, and it's been on the news endlessly, although maybe not all stations and outlets. Don't act like just a few you dislike on here are the only ones discussing this. Simply do a search and you'll prove yourself wrong.

Here, if this works, I'll just prove you wrong. Google's advanced search, listing things within the past week for "disney gay character beauty beast". I can provide individual links to the news stories if this isn't good enough.

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=disney+gay+character+beauty+beast&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=w&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=

Jim, please do not ask the gay/muzzy/illegal alien loving shill to actually research and present the truth on a subject that -it would rather lie about to prove its insane point of view on..
Why man are you daft?
Why, that is asking him to have some sort of integrity-- which is akin to blasphemy to a liberal. ;)

Ye asks too much, of he that thinks too little, methinks.. --Tyr

pete311

04-06-2017, 02:40 PM

I see the discussion on many boards I go to, and it's been on the news endlessly, although maybe not all stations and outlets. Don't act like just a few you dislike on here are the only ones discussing this. Simply do a search and you'll prove yourself wrong.

Here, if this works, I'll just prove you wrong. Google's advanced search, listing things within the past week for "disney gay character beauty beast". I can provide individual links to the news stories if this isn't good enough.

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=disney+gay+character+beauty+beast&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=w&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=

My point exactly. The latimes is the only worthwhile publication in that result. The rest are garbage sites. So if you and some other anti gay dudes on other underground forums want to make it seem like a big deal, go ahead. The world is moving on.

jimnyc

04-06-2017, 02:44 PM

Abbey Marie

04-06-2017, 02:49 PM

My point exactly. The latimes is the only worthwhile publication in that result. The rest are garbage sites. So if you and some other anti gay dudes on other underground forums want to make it seem like a big deal, go ahead. The world is moving on.

So, have you libs now moved on from the term homophobic, to anti- gay? While still not accurate, at least you've dropped the moronic idea that we are afraid of gays.

Black Diamond

04-06-2017, 02:55 PM

So, have you libs now moved on from the term homophobic to anti- gay? While still not accurate, at least you've dropped the moronic idea that we are afraid of gays.
Amazing it was tailfins who came up with that response re "kleptophobe"

Gunny

04-06-2017, 02:59 PM

So, have you libs now moved on from the term homophobic to anti- gay? While still not accurate, at least you've dropped the moronic idea that we are afraid of gays.What I'm laughing about is the "you guys are the only ones discussing it" line. Looks to me like petey is one of the "you guys" right in the thick of the discussion.:laugh:

You don't have to be a homophobe to think the behavior is unnatural and should not be presented to our children that it is.

And btw, pete311 ... I have a gay daughter. I don't approve of her lifestyle and she knows it. BUT ... she is STILL my daughter and I love her.

revelarts

04-06-2017, 03:07 PM

No one is discussing but you guys. Move on to something worthwhile.

My point exactly. The latimes is the only worthwhile publication in that result. The rest are garbage sites. So if you and some other anti gay dudes on other underground forums want to make it seem like a big deal, go ahead. The world is moving on.

I suspect that anyone in your personal sphere of friends family and aquaitences who does have a problem with it
wouldn't mention it to you pete.

SO as far as you're concerned , sure "NO ONE" is talking about it.

aboutime

04-06-2017, 06:35 PM

Anyone happen to notice the ALMIGHTY DEFENSIVE posture pete brings here, every time the words GAY, or DISNEY are mentioned?
Hey petey...ever been to THAN FRAN THISCO?:laugh:

happyrepublican

06-08-2017, 02:26 AM

Pretty sure Aladdin was as queer as a 2 dollar bill, and that was a quarter of a century ago.

hjmick

06-08-2017, 03:33 PM

Pretty sure Aladdin was as queer as a 2 dollar bill, and that was a quarter of a century ago.

There is nothing "queer" about a two dollar bill.

Now a three dollar bill, that's something "queer"...

jimnyc

06-08-2017, 03:39 PM

There is nothing "queer" about a two dollar bill.

Now a three dollar bill, that's something "queer"...

You said a bad word, and I feel offended. I have no gender, so it doesn't apply to me, but it applies to my gender confused friends and same gender tenderness friends as well. I shall now boycott you and hope you get fired!

Boycott hjmick!!! http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/no/no-picket-sign-smiley-emoticon.gif

:)

hjmick

06-08-2017, 03:50 PM

You said a bad word, and I feel offended. I have no gender, so it doesn't apply to me, but it applies to my gender confused friends and same gender tenderness friends as well. I shall now boycott you and hope you get fired!

Boycott hjmick!!! http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/no/no-picket-sign-smiley-emoticon.gif

:)

Yes, boycott me... WAIT! BOYcott? That is offensively non-gender neutral... Personcott jimnyc!

aboutime

06-08-2017, 07:09 PM

GELDING!

geld·ing
ˈɡeldiNG/Submit
noun
a castrated animal, especially a male horse. Or homosexual who feels more like a tranny,
and loves dancing around in their protective Wussy Underwear!