Last night in Sweden...

[Noir]

Must have been big, but not being covered by the fake news media, what happened?

[pete311]

Trump supporters take everything he says at face value. Never question the dear leader, his holiness.

[LongTermGuy]

Trump supporters take everything he says at face value. Never question the dear leader, his holiness.


And the Obama / Hillary supporters continue with their agony...and remain Butt-hurt...


https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.-qWDU6QHfjmqy8OpXplsaAEsCo&pid=15.1&P=0&w=278&h=157
http://www.patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/20160126_LAUGHINGimage.jpg

[Noir]

And the Obama / Hillary supporters continue with their agony...and remain Butt-hurt...


Do you know what happened in Sweden?
Nothing even on alternative news sources - this has been a big coverup :8

[sundaydriver]

Former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt early Sunday mocked President Trump after Trump pointed to an incident “last night” in Sweden to defend his travel ban.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/320274-former-swedish-prime-minister-asks-what-has-trump-been-smoking

Maybe Trump meant Sweden, Kentucky. You know, just down the road from Bowling Green Massacre. :laugh:

[gabosaurus]

The Swedes are mystified by Trump's mystery attack on their country.
At the same time, Trumpers ignore the newest gaffe with their mantra "we won the election! your candidate lost! the muslims are coming!"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/19/sweden-trump-cites-non-existent-terror-attack

[NightTrain]

Well, it took me about 5 seconds to figure out what he was talking about.

Are you geniuses really this helpless with the interwebs?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5327830979001/?#sp=show-clips

[Gunny]

Well, it took me about 5 seconds to figure out what he was talking about.

Are you geniuses really this helpless with the interwebs?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5327830979001/?#sp=show-clips

And they're allowed to vote. Share the agony ....:laugh:

[sundaydriver]

Well, it took me about 5 seconds to figure out what he was talking about.

Are you geniuses really this helpless with the interwebs?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5327830979001/?#sp=show-clips

Look what happened last night in Sweden, Trumps exact words. Nothing happened that night and Trumps later saying he meant a documentary he had seen doesn't change that.

[NightTrain]

Look what happened last night in Sweden, Trumps exact words. Nothing happened that night and Trumps later saying he meant a documentary he had seen doesn't change that.

It seems pretty clear to me he meant what the story was last night in Sweden.

But you carry on, SD. There's surely something rotten in Denmark.

[Gunny]

Look what happened last night in Sweden, Trumps exact words. Nothing happened that night and Trumps later saying he meant a documentary he had seen doesn't change that.

The pope and Sweden have spoken. Gee, the two losingest teams have called on the 3rd losingest team for support. Shit I'm glad I'm retired. If I had to call for fire support I'd call my uncle. And he's dead.

[sundaydriver]

It seems pretty clear to me he meant what the story was last night in Sweden.

But you carry on, SD. There's surely something rotten in Denmark.

So Trump can't differentiate between a screening of a documentary and inferring to a terrorist event that didn't happen? What happens when dealing with something of importance?


The pope and Sweden have spoken. Gee, the two losingest teams have called on the 3rd losingest team for support. Shit I'm glad I'm retired. If I had to call for fire support I'd call my uncle. And he's dead.

You retired many years ago, so doubtful of the need for fire support!

[NightTrain]

So Trump can't differentiate between a screening of a documentary and inferring to a terrorist event that didn't happen? What happens when dealing with something of importance?

Look, no one has ever accused Trump of being a gifted Orator. He shoots from the hip while speaking and doesn't re-read things before posting, and I agree that he should - but it is what it is. He's the President and he got where he is by being himself unapologetically. If he'd have allowed the "professionals" to modify his speeches and behavior, he'd have gone down like McCain did.

I've been lied to by politicians my whole life. Everyone has. It's a 100-year running joke regarding bullshit campaign promises, and it's been that way in America since well before any of us were born. Almost all of them delivered by smooth talkers making terrific speeches that ended up being baldfaced lies used to get elected.

So here's a guy that comes along, bluntly calling out bullshit where he sees it, struggles a bit making speeches, but by God, delivering on exactly what he said he would do. He did this despite attacks from the Democrats, Republicans and the Media. His powerful friends were few and far between.

He got elected not for making beautifully delivered bullshit speeches, but by speaking from the heart and sticking to his guns.

He does not give one fuck about being PC. Sure, it makes a bunch of his detractors engage in faux pearl-clutching, but I like that.

This guy is the ultimate outsider and it's high time someone like this came along to get in there and start kicking ass.

[Black Diamond]

Look, no one has ever accused Trump of being a gifted Orator. He shoots from the hip while speaking and doesn't re-read things before posting, and I agree that he should - but it is what it is. He's the President and he got where he is by being himself unapologetically. If he'd have allowed the "professionals" to modify his speeches and behavior, he'd have gone down like McCain did.

I've been lied to by politicians my whole life. Everyone has. It's a 100-year running joke regarding bullshit campaign promises, and it's been that way in America since well before any of us were born. Almost all of them delivered by smooth talkers making terrific speeches that ended up being baldfaced lies used to get elected.

So here's a guy that comes along, bluntly calling out bullshit where he sees it, struggles a bit making speeches, but by God, delivering on exactly what he said he would do. He did this despite attacks from the Democrats, Republicans and the Media. His powerful friends were few and far between.

He got elected not for making beautifully delivered bullshit speeches, but by speaking from the heart and sticking to his guns.

He does not give one fuck about being PC. Sure, it makes a bunch of his detractors engage in faux pearl-clutching, but I like that.

This guy is the ultimate outsider and it's high time someone like this came along to get in there and start kicking ass.
Some of these rinos remind me of Israelites who wanted to go back to Egypt.

[NightTrain]

Some of these rinos remind me of Israelites who wanted to go back to Egypt.

This is the best chance in my lifetime so far to actually get shit done.

Instead of cheering on the poor bastard trying to fix this country and reverse decades of socialist bullshit and monstrous Federal intrusion, people that claim to be conservative are gutter sniping.

Talk about missing the forest for the trees! I don't give a damn if he's not as smooth as the corrupt & lying politicians we're accustomed to.

He's getting shit done and that's what matters.

[Black Diamond]

This is the best chance in my lifetime so far to actually get shit done.

Instead of cheering on the poor bastard trying to fix this country and reverse decades of socialist bullshit and monstrous Federal intrusion, people that claim to be conservative are gutter sniping.

Talk about missing the forest for the trees! I don't give a damn if he's not as smooth as the corrupt & lying politicians we're accustomed to.

He's getting shit done and that's what matters.
I have a theory that the media is unwittingly doing his bidding.

[pete311]

Even the Swedish Embassy tweeted out they don't know what he's talking about. There will be a time when shooting from the hip will cause some big diplomatic problems.

[NightTrain]

Even the Swedish Embassy tweeted out they don't know what he's talking about. There will be a time when shooting from the hip will cause some big diplomatic problems.

I'm quite sure everyone was able to discern what Trump was referring to.

You moonbats' obtuse ploy hasn't worked for a couple of decades now - time to develop a new schtick. Like maybe try to win an election somewhere. You, Gabby and Noir have mental deficiencies and your muppet behavior can't be helped. All of you have demonstrated that, and no one really gives a damn what you think because you're completely irrelevant.

My point is directed to people that I know have functioning logic circuits but are forgoing their use. Piling on with rabid moonbats out of #nevertrump butthurt isn't doing the country or the effort to turn this country back to solid conservative ideals that made this country the greatest in the world any good.

It's self defeating and makes you look like a petulant asshole.

[pete311]

I'm quite sure everyone was able to discern what Trump was referring to.

Did you miss the fact that the Swedish government didn't know what he was talking about?

[NightTrain]

Did you miss the fact that the Swedish government didn't know what he was talking about?

Did you actually watch the video where it discusses Swedish politicians covering up the monstrous increases in refugees raping and sexually harassing Swedish women?

That's because they are about to get their asses kicked in upcoming elections, just as you socialists pushing this insane open-borders bullshit are experiencing worldwide.

Take a look at how the European socialists in are plummeting in favorable numbers - France is swinging to the right, so is Germany, so is Britain, so is the Netherlands, the list goes on. You probably won't read much about that in your usual moonbat sites, though.

Your Soros-driven Globalist ideals are doomed and common sense is returning.

Time to poke your wee little head out of your bubble, Petey. The world, she is a-changin'. For the better.

[pete311]

Did you actually watch the video where it discusses Swedish politicians covering up the monstrous increases in refugees raping and sexually harassing Swedish women?

That's because they are about to get their asses kicked in upcoming elections, just as you socialists pushing this insane open-borders bullshit are experiencing worldwide.

Take a look at how the European socialists in are plummeting in favorable numbers - France is swinging to the right, so is Germany, so is Britain, so is the Netherlands, the list goes on. You probably won't read much about that in your usual moonbat sites, though.

Your Soros-driven Globalist ideals are doomed and common sense is returning.

Time to poke your wee little head out of your bubble, Petey. The world, she is a-changin'. For the better.

Trump spoke of a specific incident when he said "last night in sweden". Tell me, what happened in sweden two days ago?

[Kathianne]

Some of these rinos remind me of Israelites who wanted to go back to Egypt.

I'm curious, you've been using RINO a lot lately. Do you really think President Trump is an orthodox Republican, a conservative?

[NightTrain]

Trump spoke of a specific incident when he said "last night in sweden". Tell me, what happened in sweden two days ago?

Didn't we already discuss your meaningless obtuse trolling schtick?

[Kathianne]

This is the best chance in my lifetime so far to actually get shit done.

Instead of cheering on the poor bastard trying to fix this country and reverse decades of socialist bullshit and monstrous Federal intrusion, people that claim to be conservative are gutter sniping.

Talk about missing the forest for the trees! I don't give a damn if he's not as smooth as the corrupt & lying politicians we're accustomed to.

He's getting shit done and that's what matters.

Personally, I do hope they get many of the issues he made promises about through. I don't see unwarranted 'gutter sniping' from most Republicans, I see concerns, many of the same ones that were evident during the election.

I know I've brought up several over different things that have been done and said, I've labeled them as 'concerns' and certainly tried to not be 'sniping' or even a bit snarky. Yet, no one has yet to say why I should not be concerned or said they too are concerned, but for XXX reason think it will be alright in the long run.

The strongest impetus I have right now to be supportive are the idiots on the left, I'd like more.

[pete311]

Didn't we already discuss your meaningless obtuse trolling schtick?

Run out of spin? Thought so. You are good though. Trump should hire you.

[Black Diamond]

I'm curious, you've been using RINO a lot lately. Do you really think President Trump is an orthodox Republican, a conservative?
No. But I guess where I differ from you and John McCain is the fact I would vote Trump over John Kerry every day of the week.

[Kathianne]

No. But I guess where I differ from you and John McCain is the fact I would vote Trump over John Kerry every day of the week.

I wouldn't vote for Kerry, good snark though.

[Black Diamond]

Personally, I do hope they get many of the issues he made promises about through. I don't see unwarranted 'gutter sniping' from most Republicans, I see concerns, many of the same ones that were evident during the election.

I know I've brought up several over different things that have been done and said, I've labeled them as 'concerns' and certainly tried to not be 'sniping' or even a bit snarky. Yet, no one has yet to say why I should not be concerned or said they too are concerned, but for XXX reason think it will be alright in the long run.

The strongest impetus I have right now to be supportive are the idiots on the left, I'd like more.
I have a few concerns (poor travel ban rollout, poor staff organization, saying "I inherited a mess") but I am overall happy with what he's done.

[Black Diamond]

I wouldn't vote for Kerry, good snark though.
You said you'd vote for him over trump. Have you changed your mind? It's ok if you have.

[Kathianne]

You said you'd vote for him over trump. Have you changed your mind? It's ok if you have.

Over Trump? Probably, though they weren't running against each other. Hillary, just couldn't do it.

Hypothetical anyways, Trump is now the President. He is relevant, not whom I would have voted for against him. My voting against both of this years main candidates certainly doesn't play into your RINO narrative. Thanks for acknowledging though that he hasn't yet shown to be an orthodox Republican, nor a conservative.

[Black Diamond]

Over Trump? Probably, though they weren't running against each other. Hillary, just couldn't do it.

Hypothetical anyways, Trump is now the President. He is relevant, not whom I would have voted for against him. My voting against both of this years main candidates certainly doesn't play into your RINO narrative. Thanks for acknowledging though that he hasn't yet shown to be an orthodox Republican, nor a conservative.
I voted for McCain over Obama. And would again. But his considering the idea of running with John Kerry is....

i need to find words.

[NightTrain]

Run out of spin? Thought so. You are good though. Trump should hire you.

No, I'm right and you know it.

If you're having trouble understanding some of the big words I used previously, let me know and I'll help you understand them.

I'll not play your silly games that you're reduced to because you have nothing else to offer.

When you do decide to step up to the plate with an honest argument, I'll whip your ass like I have every single other time you've been foolish enough to engage me.

[Black Diamond]

Over Trump? Probably, though they weren't running against each other. Hillary, just couldn't do it.

Hypothetical anyways, Trump is now the President. He is relevant, not whom I would have voted for against him. My voting against both of this years main candidates certainly doesn't play into your RINO narrative. Thanks for acknowledging though that he hasn't yet shown to be an orthodox Republican, nor a conservative.
Trump is anything but orthodox. Can you explain to me what conservative means? I mean to you. It seems to have many definitions and it depends on the subject being considered.

[Gunny]

I'm curious, you've been using RINO a lot lately. Do you really think President Trump is an orthodox Republican, a conservative?

I love you like a sis. Ms Tinkerbell BUT (knew this was coming huh?:laugh: ) I don't consider you conservative at all. It's a relative term.

[NightTrain]

Personally, I do hope they get many of the issues he made promises about through. I don't see unwarranted 'gutter sniping' from most Republicans, I see concerns, many of the same ones that were evident during the election.

I know I've brought up several over different things that have been done and said, I've labeled them as 'concerns' and certainly tried to not be 'sniping' or even a bit snarky. Yet, no one has yet to say why I should not be concerned or said they too are concerned, but for XXX reason think it will be alright in the long run.

The strongest impetus I have right now to be supportive are the idiots on the left, I'd like more.

My comments were not directed at you. You've been reasonable with giving him a chance, and that's all anyone can ask for.

Since I'm feeling ornery and combative today because I'm coming down with a nasty chest cold, I'll name names : I'm specifically referring to Sunday Driver and FJ, and a couple of other people that pop in occasionally. Both are smart, knowledgeable and have demonstrated a great capacity for logic in the past.

They would be to whom I was referring.

As far as the liberals go, I'll just say that it's useless to try to teach a pig to sing. It annoys the pig and wastes your time.

[Kathianne]

Trump is anything but orthodox. Can you explain to me what conservative means? I mean to you. It seems to have many definitions and it depends on the subject being considered.

The least amount of government necessary-in a nod to Hobbes, ideal would be a government we could just call up when invasion seems imminent, though granted that's fantasy.

A commitment to following the federalist system-choosing the most local level of government feasible to accomplish what the goal is. Restraining the federal government to only the powers given by the constitution. Thus a bridge in MN is not a federal responsibility. Airport improvements should be paid for by the airlines that profit from them.

Transparency in actions by the government to the people.

That's off the top of my head. Philosophically there's much more, but I don't have time or inclination to get into that now, I've done so in the past.

[Black Diamond]

The least amount of government necessary-in a nod to Hobbes, ideal would be a government we could just call up when invasion seems imminent, though granted that's fantasy.

A commitment to following the federalist system-choosing the most local level of government feasible to accomplish what the goal is. Restraining the federal government to only the powers given by the constitution. Thus a bridge in MN is not a federal responsibility. Airport improvements should be paid for by the airlines that profit from them.

Transparency in actions by the government to the people.

That's off the top of my head. Philosophically there's much more, but I don't have time or inclination to get into that now, I've done so in the past.
Ok using your post, trumps infrastructure dreams are not conservative. But neither were George W Bush's farm subsidies. I think transparency in government is a fantasy as well. Is FJ correct when he says conservatism has never been tried? I'll concede that keeping jobs here the way trump is doing it is not "republican" nor "conservative ". Is what he's doing with education a nod to the federalist system?

I think I have said before trump isn't a republican nor a democrat. He's trump. But I would take him over Hillary, Obama, Kerry, and therefore McCain.

As as you said, this "conservative" topic is vast.

[Black Diamond]

Ok using your post, trumps infrastructure dreams are not conservative. But neither were George W Bush's farm subsidies. I think transparency in government is a fantasy as well. Is FJ correct when he says conservatism has never been tried? I'll concede that keeping jobs here the way trump is doing it is not "republican" nor "conservative ". Is what he's doing with education a nod to the federalist system?

I think I have said before trump isn't a republican nor a democrat. He's trump. But I would take him over Hillary, Obama, Kerry, and therefore McCain.

As as you said, this "conservative" topic is vast.
Is Medicare part D conservative?

[Abbey Marie]

So, we ignore the fact that these immigrants are raping women, etc., and are unable to get jobs, but instead focus laser beam attention on Trump's sloppy choice of terminology. Yeah, that's the important takeaway here.

:rolleyes:

[Black Diamond]

So, we ignore the fact that these immigrants are raping women, etc., and are unable to get jobs, but instead focus laser beam attention on Trump's sloppy choice of terminology. Yeah, that's the important takeaway here.

:rolleyes:
Any opportunity to damage trump...

[Kathianne]

Ok using your post, trumps infrastructure dreams are not conservative. But neither were George W Bush's farm subsidies. I think transparency in government is a fantasy as well. Is FJ correct when he says conservatism has never been tried? I'll concede that keeping jobs here the way trump is doing it is not "republican" nor "conservative ". Is what he's doing with education a nod to the federalist system?

I think I have said before trump isn't a republican nor a democrat. He's trump. But I would take him over Hillary, Obama, Kerry, and therefore McCain.

As as you said, this "conservative" topic is vast.

I haven't a problem with agreeing on definitions of conservative differs from person to person. I guess what I have a problem with is the insinuation that anyone not jumping up and down in glee for every pronouncement Trump makes is a RINO or liberal. That's just false. Those types of dichotomies have caused some to leave, others to avoid posting anything that so many will just jump at, regardless of what there may be worthy of discussion.

I only want the best for the country as a whole, regardless of which groups we are talking about. I do not have to agree with President Trump on every issue, I know I'm not going to agree with the way he says many things. That's ok for both him and me. I still want him to succeed in every way possible to make the country better. I do have concerns about how he's going about many things, especially administration issues. I hope that his learning curve is as high as I assume, if so, many of those concerns will be alleviated sooner than later.

[LongTermGuy]

Do you know what happened in Sweden?
Nothing even on alternative news sources - this has been a big coverup :8

More Swedish
suicide and stupidity?
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/SwedishChef.jpg
http://freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Sweden-refugees-welcome2.jpg
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Sweden_683237_5776695.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/therealstrategy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/welcomeinsweden2.jpg?resize=800%2C415&ssl=1
http://9502-presscdn-0-95.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/refugee-welcome.jpeg

[LongTermGuy]

`What the US could learn from Sweden's refugee crisis`


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Q6tgj0O64

[Black Diamond]

More Swedish
suicide and stupidity?
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/SwedishChef.jpg
http://freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Sweden-refugees-welcome2.jpg
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Sweden_683237_5776695.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/therealstrategy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/welcomeinsweden2.jpg?resize=800%2C415&ssl=1
http://9502-presscdn-0-95.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/refugee-welcome.jpeg
Yikes

[LongTermGuy]

Yikes


Here is some More "Yikes"...

Swedish court approves of child marriage (http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.3723/swedish-court-approves-of-child-marriage.html)


http://speisa.com/uploads/img58a72cecc907b.jpg
`A 14-year-old child bride from Syria came to Sweden and became pregnant with her husband, who is also her cousin. Now a Swedish court has approved of her marriage, because she appears "mature," and for religious and cultural reasons.`

​Any Swedes left with a brain...need to leave...they are done...

[BoogyMan]

Well, it took me about 5 seconds to figure out what he was talking about.

Are you geniuses really this helpless with the interwebs?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5327830979001/?#sp=show-clips

Not clueless, simply not honest. This bugs the crud out of me because I am not a Trump fan and these arguments force me to defend him.

[fj1200]

Since I'm feeling ornery and combative today because I'm coming down with a nasty chest cold, I'll name names : I'm specifically referring to Sunday Driver and FJ, and a couple of other people that pop in occasionally. Both are smart, knowledgeable and have demonstrated a great capacity for logic in the past.

They would be to whom I was referring.

I've presented nothing but logic here recently and I'd welcome examples to the contrary. Any "gutter sniping" recently seems to be directed towards anyone who doesn't line up with current trumpian mythos.


Ok using your post, trumps infrastructure dreams are not conservative. But neither were George W Bush's farm subsidies. I think transparency in government is a fantasy as well. Is FJ correct when he says conservatism has never been tried? I'll concede that keeping jobs here the way trump is doing it is not "republican" nor "conservative ". Is what he's doing with education a nod to the federalist system?

I think I have said before trump isn't a republican nor a democrat. He's trump. But I would take him over Hillary, Obama, Kerry, and therefore McCain.

As as you said, this "conservative" topic is vast.

There is very little that is conservative at the White House these days IMO. But you mention Bush; the criticism with him is that he, and the Republican Congress that he came in with, weren't truly conservative either; spending, Part D, etc. And of course they lost as a result IMO. To complain about RINOs and then to support trump while denying any criticism seems to be shooting oneself in the foot.

And McCain for all his faults is in no way related to the other 3.

[LongTermGuy]

They need to get Busy...Real busy....if they want to live
********************************************
"Trump Right AGAIN: Sweden DEPORTING 80000 Refugees"


http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2017/02/trump-right-again-sweden-deporting-80000-refugees-3251449.html

[Abbey Marie]

Not clueless, simply not honest. This bugs the crud out of me because I am not a Trump fan and these arguments force me to defend him.

Very similar to what I said in another thread. Anti-Trumpers are reaching rock-bottom and showing signs of digging.

[fj1200]

Very similar to what I said in another thread. Anti-Trumpers are reaching rock-bottom and showing signs of digging.

It more seems like a contest between the two. How low can each of them goooooo....

[Gunny]

It more seems like a contest between the two. How low can each of them goooooo....

It's a tragic comedy to me. On one side you got the left and MSM running around like chickens with their heads cut off. They've had their way so long they don't know what to do.

Other side is ... is Trump going to finish picking his cabinet before re-election time? It'll be March in a week. He's had since November. Maybe he should spend a little less time on his cell phone arguing with snipes?

[Black Diamond]

I've presented nothing but logic here recently and I'd welcome examples to the contrary. Any "gutter sniping" recently seems to be directed towards anyone who doesn't line up with current trumpian mythos.



There is very little that is conservative at the White House these days IMO. But you mention Bush; the criticism with him is that he, and the Republican Congress that he came in with, weren't truly conservative either; spending, Part D, etc. And of course they lost as a result IMO. To complain about RINOs and then to support trump while denying any criticism seems to be shooting oneself in the foot.

And McCain for all his faults is in no way related to the other 3.
Except McCain entertained the idea of running with Kerry, a far leftist. And McCain did endorse Hillary. So that leaves Obama. I agree McCain isn't as bad as Obama.


taking sides with the press and talking about trump and dictators in the same sentence when you're in Germany is uncalled for. This going rogue maverick crap of his doesn't impress.

[Black Diamond]

It's a tragic comedy to me. On one side you got the left and MSM running around like chickens with their heads cut off. They've had their way so long they don't know what to do.

Other side is ... is Trump going to finish picking his cabinet before re-election time? It'll be March in a week. He's had since November. Maybe he should spend a little less time on his cell phone arguing with snipes?
I think senate is holding them up? As far as trump is concerned, the press is doing what he wants them to do: give him attention. It's trumps MO. Always has been.

[Gunny]

Ok using your post, trumps infrastructure dreams are not conservative. But neither were George W Bush's farm subsidies. I think transparency in government is a fantasy as well. Is FJ correct when he says conservatism has never been tried? I'll concede that keeping jobs here the way trump is doing it is not "republican" nor "conservative ". Is what he's doing with education a nod to the federalist system?

I think I have said before trump isn't a republican nor a democrat. He's trump. But I would take him over Hillary, Obama, Kerry, and therefore McCain.

As as you said, this "conservative" topic is vast.

"Conservative" is a contrived word that in reality and action has no meaning. Our political terms are red herrings. Both sides have switched sides on issues more than twice. The so-called Liberals" are fascists. Nothing liberal about them. So-called "conservatives" --the GOP -- couldn't make a decision to save their asses.

I was just :poke::poke:@kathianne. We've had this discussion before. The alleged "liberals" here in TX are more "conservative" than most anyone I ever hear calling themselves conservative. Maybe if you're a Puritan or the ayatollah ....

[Black Diamond]

"Conservative" is a contrived word that in reality and action has no meaning. Our political terms are red herrings. Both sides have switched sides on issues more than twice. The so-called Liberals" are fascists. Nothing liberal about them. So-called "conservatives" --the GOP -- couldn't make a decision to save their asses.

I was just :poke::poke:@kathianne. We've had this discussion before. The alleged "liberals" here in TX are more "conservative" than most anyone I ever hear calling themselves conservative. Maybe if you're a Puritan or the ayatollah ....
Maybe the terms have been hijacked. Regardless, McCain shouldn't be making veiled comparisons between trump and hitler and shouldn't be defending the press right now, holding the position he holds. Course we should not be surprised given he endorsed Hillary.

[Gunny]

Maybe the terms have been hijacked. Regardless, McCain shouldn't be making veiled comparisons between trump and hitler and shouldn't be defending the press right now, holding the position he holds. Course we should not be surprised given he endorsed Hillary.

Somebody should have shut McCain up years ago. Proves my point though. He'd have to run as a Democrat here. But that ass has been d*cking up sh*t since forever. He crashed 3 planes and then let himself get captured. He was a lousy pilot. That's how he got his dumb ass shot down. Then he surrendered. My dying ass THAT is going to happen.

And all he's run on is I was a POW and I want to screw up the system. He's another media created myth. He's otherwise a stupid old man that can't even go out with his gear and come back with it.

[pete311]

Somebody should have shut McCain up years ago. Proves my point though. He'd have to run as a Democrat here. But that ass has been d*cking up sh*t since forever. He crashed 3 planes and then let himself get captured. He was a lousy pilot. That's how he got his dumb ass shot down. Then he surrendered. My dying ass THAT is going to happen.

And all he's run on is I was a POW and I want to screw up the system. He's another media created myth. He's otherwise a stupid old man that can't even go out with his gear and come back with it.

Not to a nice way to speak about a veteran. Anyone who puts their life on the line for the country gets my respect. :salute:

[Gunny]

Not to a nice way to speak about a veteran. Anyone who puts their life on the line for the country gets my respect. :salute:

I have no problem with him being a veteran or serving. Of all people to say that to. I respect the fact he served. What I don't respect is him using it as a political prop. This ain't a game for us. People live and die by our words.

To have some jackass use "service" as a qualifier? I served. That qualifies me to shoot your ass. Making me President would be your worst nightmare. But I'm smart enough to know my role.

I have zero respect for him as a person.

[aboutime]

Let's look at it this way, here on DP. As only One Veteran member here. How would ANYONE here react...as we do with bully, if I, or any other Veteran came here and spouted off about A CIC We know..respects us....FINALLY?

If you read or listen to what McCain has been saying (OUTSIDE OF AMERICA), which is an Absolute Betrayal of Standards for a sitting U.S. Senator. Even if McCain is a Hero, or Veteran like the rest of us. HE DESERVES LITTLE RESPECT for abusing his POWER in front of FOREIGN dignitaries. HE IS WRONG, and BREAKING ALL PRECEDENCES.

[fj1200]

It's a tragic comedy to me. On one side you got the left and MSM running around like chickens with their heads cut off. They've had their way so long they don't know what to do.

Other side is ... is Trump going to finish picking his cabinet before re-election time? It'll be March in a week. He's had since November. Maybe he should spend a little less time on his cell phone arguing with snipes?

No argument here.


Except McCain entertained the idea of running with Kerry, a far leftist. And McCain did endorse Hillary. So that leaves Obama. I agree McCain isn't as bad as Obama.

taking sides with the press and talking about trump and dictators in the same sentence when you're in Germany is uncalled for. This going rogue maverick crap of his doesn't impress.

Having ideological differences is one thing, repeating the talking point of "the same McCain who considered running with Kerry" is pointless.

And complaining about "rogue" is disingenuous from a trump supporter IMO.


"Conservative" is a contrived word that in reality and action has no meaning.

When calling oneself conservative and endorsing positions that aren't conservative turns it meaningless.