US breached guidelines and used depleted uranium in air strikes against Isis in Syria

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-breached-guidelines-used-depleted-uranium-airstrikes-against-isis-syria-1606826?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous&yptr=yahoo

US breached guidelines and used depleted uranium in air strikes against Isis in Syria
US Central Command confirmed over 5,000 rounds containing DU were fired.

Tareq Haddad
By Tareq Haddad
Updated February 16, 2017 12:01 GMT

In breach of official guidelines, the United States military has fired thousands of rounds of depleted uranium (DU) while fighting Islamic State (Isis) in Syria.

Use of the toxic material falls within a legal grey area, but contradicts the notion that suffering to civilian populations should be minimised as much as possible.


Though US officials consistently denied use of the DU, Major Josh Jacques of US Central Command has now confirmed to Foreign Policy that the dangerous munitions have been used, in a report published Tuesday (14 February).

According to Jacques, 5,265 armour-piercing rounds containing DU were fired between 16 and 22 November 2015, in Syria's eastern desert.

DU is used because of its armour-piercing qualities and can be legally justified when used against armoured tanks.

However, the rounds were used to fire at IS (Daesh) oil trucks in Deir Ez-Zour, which were unarmoured and likely operated by civilians. It is also likely the radioactive chemical was not then disposed of effectively, causing further harm to the population.

DU is less radioactive than the original uranium, but is still a considerable health hazard causing birth defects and cancer following inhalation of the particles.

"The use of DU ammunition against oil tankers seems difficult to justify militarily on the basis of the arguments used by the US to support its use – that it is for destroying armoured targets," said Doug Weir, head of the International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons.

"Tankers are clearly not armoured, and the alternative non-DU HEI [high-explosive incendiary] rounds would likely have been sufficient for the task."

Jacques justified the US of DU because of a "higher probability of destruction for targets".

Legal scholars have argued greater clarity needs to be provided regarding the use of such weapons.

"I think this is an area of international humanitarian law that needs a lot more attention," said Cymie Payne, a legal scholar and professor of ecology at Rutgers University who has researched DU.

Prior to Syria, the US military also used DU in weapons during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. According to the Dutch peace group PAX, over 300,000 DU rounds were used during the course of the war, based on information it received from the Dutch ministry of defence.

IMAGINED IF THIS HAD HAPPENED UNDER TRUMP'S TERM!!
And know that this was known back in 2015 when the obama bastard was in full command! Thus not a damn peep from media, and very likely a coordinated cover-up was put in place by dem party, its allied media and whatever other power they could use.

Let Trump as CINC , ALLOW SUCH AND IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS WILL BE CALLED FOR, will be demanded!! -Tyr

[pete311]

Controversial indeed, I'm not for it, but note it's not illegal in international law.

fyi, Vice News reported on it

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Controversial indeed, I'm not for it, but note it's not illegal in international law.

fyi, Vice News reported on it

Link please?
And how many readers would this-- Vice News-- have, that I've never even heard of it??? ..-Tyr

[pete311]

Link please?
And how many readers would this-- Vice News-- have, that I've never even heard of it??? ..-Tyr

Typically, depleted-uranium rounds are used on armored vehicles, such as tanks and troop transports, and there is no international treaty or rule that explicitly bans their use.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/02/16/the-pentagon-said-it-wouldnt-use-depleted-uranium-rounds-against-isis-months-later-it-did-5265-times/?utm_term=.535a517aa758

I watch Vice News on HBO. Good stuff.

[Gunny]

Typically, depleted-uranium rounds are used on armored vehicles, such as tanks and troop transports, and there is no international treaty or rule that explicitly bans their use.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/02/16/the-pentagon-said-it-wouldnt-use-depleted-uranium-rounds-against-isis-months-later-it-did-5265-times/?utm_term=.535a517aa758

I watch Vice News on HBO. Good stuff.

Aren/t you the same guy in another thread talking about false fronts? Calling us NAZIa when YOU are the NAZIs? Guess you need to work on your political cause and effect dynamics, huh? Oh I forgot. You're smarter than me.

[Elessar]

Aren/t you the same guy in another thread talking about false fronts? Calling us NAZIa when YOU are the NAZIs? Guess you need to work on your political cause and effect dynamics, huh? Oh I forgot. You're smarter than me.

And yet another sarcasm meter pegged!:laugh:

[aboutime]

petey. You FAILED AGAIN. Your source is lying to you.

And, personally. As a 30 year, U.S.Navy veteran. I know...the U.S. military stopped using DU back in the 90's.
On most navy ships, back then. The CWIS (Close In Weapons System), better known as a gattling gun, 4000 rounds per minute weapon...did use DU.

Try blowing your smoke up somebody else's Butt petey. And since you are the one ALWAYS DEMANDING sources...you should CHECK yours before making a fool of yourself, as WE ALL EXPECT YOU WILL.

Depleted uranium - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
Depleted uranium is uranium with a lower content of the fissile isotope U-235 than natural ..... The US Navy used DU in its 20 mm Phalanx CIWS guns, but switched in the late 1990s to armor-piercing tungsten. .... In 1999, concentrations of 10% depleted uranium were being used in "jaune no.17" a yellow enamel powder that ...

[pete311]

petey. You FAILED AGAIN. Your source is lying to you.

And, personally. As a 30 year, U.S.Navy veteran. I know...the U.S. military stopped using DU back in the 90's.
On most navy ships, back then. The CWIS (Close In Weapons System), better known as a gattling gun, 4000 rounds per minute weapon...did use DU.

Try blowing your smoke up somebody else's Butt petey. And since you are the one ALWAYS DEMANDING sources...you should CHECK yours before making a fool of yourself, as WE ALL EXPECT YOU WILL.

Depleted uranium - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
Depleted uranium is uranium with a lower content of the fissile isotope U-235 than natural ..... The US Navy used DU in its 20 mm Phalanx CIWS guns, but switched in the late 1990s to armor-piercing tungsten. .... In 1999, concentrations of 10% depleted uranium were being used in "jaune no.17" a yellow enamel powder that ...

Where in any of this does it say this practice is illegal?

[Elessar]

Where in any of this does it say this practice is illegal?
You are so dense.

[pete311]

You are so dense.
oh yeah? from his wiki link
Louise Arbour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Arbour), chief prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_Former_Yug oslavia) led a committee of staff lawyers to investigate possible treaty prohibitions against the use of DU in weapons. Their findings were that:[44] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#cite_note-44)

There is no specific treaty ban on the use of DU projectiles. There is a developing scientific debate and concern expressed regarding the impact of the use of such projectiles and it is possible that, in future, there will be a consensus view in international legal circles that use of such projectiles violate general principles of the law applicable to use of weapons in armed conflict. No such consensus exists at present.[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#cite_note-45)

[Gunny]

oh yeah? from his wiki link
Louise Arbour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Arbour), chief prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_Former_Yug oslavia) led a committee of staff lawyers to investigate possible treaty prohibitions against the use of DU in weapons. Their findings were that:[44] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#cite_note-44)
There is no specific treaty ban on the use of DU projectiles. There is a developing scientific debate and concern expressed regarding the impact of the use of such projectiles and it is possible that, in future, there will be a consensus view in international legal circles that use of such projectiles violate general principles of the law applicable to use of weapons in armed conflict. No such consensus exists at present.[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#cite_note-45)



You don't know when to quit, do you? You want to debate vets about weaponry/armament. As AT was kind enough to point out, we quit using DU when you lefties started crying about it in the 90s. So who cares? Is there a point to be made here?

And who cares what a court in a country that no longer exists as a nation has to say? Perhaps we should hold a seance and ask Louis IV what he thinks on the matter. I'm sure it will be informative and up to date coming from a guy who loaded his cannons with broken pieces of chain. nuts bolts and whatever else. Maybe he;ll cruise up on his prate ship to pay us a social visit.

[pete311]

You don't know when to quit, do you? You want to debate vets about weaponry/armament. As AT was kind enough to point out, we quit using DU when you lefties started crying about it in the 90s. So who cares? Is there a point to be made here?

And who cares what a court in a country that no longer exists as a nation has to say? Perhaps we should hold a seance and ask Louis IV what he thinks on the matter. I'm sure it will be informative and up to date coming from a guy who loaded his cannons with broken pieces of chain. nuts bolts and whatever else. Maybe he;ll cruise up on his prate ship to pay us a social visit.

So I just want to be clear. Your claim is that the US has not used DU rounds since the 90s and that they are illegal?

[jimnyc]

Depleted uranium was a HUGE issue to some liberals back when GWB was running the show. Some here posted about it, and of course others around the world lost their minds. The troops were terrorists. "US atrocities" for using it, according to Joe Steele. "The Stripey1" called it a crime. And now it's OK. Weird how things change. Do a search if you don't believe me. :)

[Gunny]

So I just want to be clear. Your claim is that the US has not used DU rounds since the 90s and that they are illegal?

No. My claim is you need to just relax. Crap, when I get served I just take it. Usually laugh my ass off at myself for being a dumbass and stepping in it. But you got argue about the shit.

if you can't laugh at yourself, you have no right to laugh at others.

[pete311]

No. My claim is you need to just relax. Crap, when I get served I just take it. Usually laugh my ass off at myself for being a dumbass and stepping in it. But you got argue about the shit.

if you can't laugh at yourself, you have no right to laugh at others.

Where in this thread am I hysterical? I'm just replying in a discussion. I am confused. Where am I laughing at people in this thread? Does the OP not want anyone to respond? I said it's controversial, I am not for the use of the weapons, but they aren't illegal. How is that a crazy response?

[aboutime]

You don't know when to quit, do you? You want to debate vets about weaponry/armament. As AT was kind enough to point out, we quit using DU when you lefties started crying about it in the 90s. So who cares? Is there a point to be made here?

And who cares what a court in a country that no longer exists as a nation has to say? Perhaps we should hold a seance and ask Louis IV what he thinks on the matter. I'm sure it will be informative and up to date coming from a guy who loaded his cannons with broken pieces of chain. nuts bolts and whatever else. Maybe he;ll cruise up on his prate ship to pay us a social visit.

Gunny. It's also interesting, and funny that petey boy uses WIKI as his source.
I used this on another thread.
Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, written collaboratively by the people who use it. It is a special type of website designed to make collaboration easy, called a wiki. Many people are constantly improving Wikipedia, making thousands of changes per hour. Wikipedia:Introduction - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction