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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-09-2017, 12:08 PM
http://observer.com/2017/02/an-apology-from-bruce-springsteen-for-letting-trump-win/



A Letter of Apology From Bruce Springsteen for Letting Trump Win
By Tim Sommer • 02/08/17 10:35am

Bruce Springsteen.

It’s me, Bruce Springsteen. Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images

My name is Bruce Springsteen, and one day soon, when the windows of your mosques are smashed and the synagogues lie in ashes, when the skies are gray with dust and the sea has risen to wash away the roads, when the stars and stripes of our flag stand for discrimination and fear, I will wonder, could I have made a difference?

I have had to look at myself in the mirror. More importantly, I have had to look at my children, and consider, uncomfortably, the world they will inherit. And I wonder.

Could I have made a difference? Did I do everything I could have done?

Meryl Streep and that speech she gave at the Golden Globes got me really thinking about this.

It’s all well and good for Meryl Streep to give rabble-rousing speeches on television, but unless she is hosting a benefit for each and every congressional candidate in her state running in the 2018 midterm elections—New York, California, Connecticut, I don’t know where she lives—it’s totally freaking meaningless.

At the end of the day, what did that speech of hers accomplish? A lot of people said, “Oh, great job, Meryl!” A lot of people patted her on the back, tweeted how wonderful she was and said, “You go, girl!” But it meant virtually nothing in terms of winning any elections, getting anyone out to the polls, changing any minds. I doubt it even made one single person register to vote, and it probably didn’t cause anyone to donate to a local congressman’s election campaign.

Unless she backs it up with some actual action, specifically geared toward the midterms, her words are just more self-serving, self-congratulating liberal fireworks. Sorry, Meryl. That’s what we liberals do: we set off fireworks at our own backyard parties.

I bet you felt just great and all proud of yourself when you re-posted Meryl’s speech on your Facebook page. I bet you thought, “Well, I just made a difference!” You didn’t. All you did was make it so your friends would go, “Oh, hooray for our side, you think like us, too!”

And I realized, well, that’s precisely what I’ve done. I’m getting press for saying some anti-Trump stuff from the stage in Australia. That’ll show him. That will impact the midterm election for sure! Boy, I really went out on a limb there, really took a risk.

So I ask again: Could I have made a difference in the last election? Some people think I’m one of the few people who actually could have.

Trump won Wisconsin by about 22,000 votes. Shit, 22,000? I sold 1 million copies of Human Touch—without the E Street Band—and even I can’t stand that record.

It’s been suggested that in the weeks and months leading up to the election, I should have followed Trump around from rally to rally, especially in September and October when he was hitting the Rust Belt states hard. After all, those are supposed to be “my” people, too.

Y’know, imagine this: just as he was getting up to speak, I’d pop out of a van right outside the venue, step up on the back of a pickup or something, and play a few songs. If I was playing across the street from a rally, at the same time, you’re telling me they wouldn’t have turned their back on Le Grand Orange—that’s what Garry Tallent calls him, he’s an old Mets fan from way back—and rushed over to wherever I was?

Imagine if I had done that for two or three weeks. If I had Just birddogged the man! I could have stolen his audience, stolen all the TV crews—you don’t think they wouldn’t have rushed to me, and wanted to hear my opinion on the big man? Not only would I have won over some of his supporters, but Trump almost definitely at some point would have come after me, and how bad would that have been for him? You think the new boss could’ve attacked the original and gotten away with it?

He doesn’t like being upstaged, you know he would’ve have come after me. Can you imagine if he attacked Bruce Springsteen? Even without doing the math, on just that alone he might have lost enough votes to lose him the election.

How hard would it have been for me to give up three or four weeks of my life this past fall or summer, and followed him in a van from rally to rally?
Shit, I campaigned with Obama in 2012, what happened last year?

Shit, I campaigned with Obama in 2012…what would’ve happened to Trump if I’d played outside his rallies in the Rust Belt? Getty

Let’s talk about numbers. Trump won Wisconsin by about 22,000 votes. Michigan by about 11,000. Shit, 22,000? I sold 1 million copies of Human Touch—without the E Street Band—and even I can’t stand that record. Eleven thousand? That’s the first night of a four-night run for me.

Look, if I had done that—if I had followed him around from rally to rally, stood on a park bench across the street, played “Kumbaya” or some Suicide song on the acoustic guitar and then gave soundbites to the 800 camera crews that were there—yes, I totally think I could have swung those votes. Between the media, and Trump getting pissed at me for stealing his thunder, shit, I could have gotten most of them on the first day.

Now in North Carolina the margin was 180,000, and I know that sounds like a lot, but what if I enlisted Garth Brooks and, oh, I don’t know, Darius Rucker? Oh, and are you telling me Dave Matthews wouldn’t have shown up? Of course he would have. And remember, 180,000 isn’t really 180,000—because you take one from Trump and put that vote in Hillary’s column, that actually counts as two. Even if we couldn’t get the venues, we could have played in parks. Like the cops are going to bust Bruce Springsteen and Dave Matthews for playing in the park? Yeah, that’ll happen. The cops will be standing in the front lining up for selfies.

Do I think if I had worked my ass off I could have changed the outcome of the election? I don’t know if I can say yes. But I can say maybe. And imagine if someone had said to you, “You take some action now, and maybe it can change whether your children will be able to have a legal abortion, maybe it will change whether your children will have healthcare, shit, maybe it will change whether my children will have a planet.” You’ll go, “Yeah, hell yeah. I’ll throw a little sweat, muscle and time behind that maybe.”

So I look myself in the mirror, and I ask, could I have made a difference?

And now I answer yes. I think I could have.

Now, just because you could have shot Hitler, that doesn’t mean you are guilty because you didn’t, right? I mean, probably 5 million Germans could have killed Hitler at one point, but we can’t condemn every one of them, right?

And by the way, I’m not suggesting we kill anyone! This is just a comparison—an analogy. Or is it a metaphor? Whatever. And I’m not comparing Trump to Hitler, either, no sir, don’t try to hang that on me. I’m just trying to make a statement about inaction—why is it a big deal that I didn’t do everything I could when I was one of the few who could have made a difference?

I’ve spent my life trying to tell a story about Americans that tried to do good when the easier route would have been to do bad, or to do nothing. But were those just words?

I guess this is the answer.

I’ve spent my life trying to tell a story about Americans that tried to do good when the easier route would have been to do bad, or do nothing; about an America where everyman was King, an America which was defined by its working men and women, not its oligarchs; an America where your children can look at you and say, just with their eyes, “Will our lives be as free as yours, daddy? Will we have the same rights and choices as you, will we have clean air to breathe? Daddy, will we have the ability to look the rich in the eye and say, ‘You may have more than us, but you do not have more rights than us.’ ”

I’ve told the story of an America where you asked questions, and even if you didn’t find answers, you were better for asking.

But are those just words? Are they just words that made me a hundred-millionaire many times over, or do I actually mean them? When my country called me to serve, was I on a book tour? When my country called me to serve, did I say, “I wrote some poems, I made some people happy, I gave a soundbite or two, wasn’t that enough?”

So maybe, just maybe, I fucked up. So here’s what I’m thinking: The 2018 midterm elections are going to be here in no time. The only chance for real change is if we vote more Democrats in, and flip control of the House of Representatives.

It’s O.K. if this stuff doesn’t matter to you, really, but if it does, whether you’re playing arenas or coffee shops, you need to be using your power to get Democrats elected in next year’s—NEXT YEAR’S!—midterm elections. That’s all that matters. That’s all that matters. Getting results in the midterms means more than all the petitions in the world, more than all the outraged Facebook posts, more than all the angry and sarcastic blog posts. The nuts and bolts of making people aware of their candidates, raising money for those candidates, and getting people registered and to the polls…that’s what matters, because everything, I mean everything, changes if the House flips.

So that’s why I’m committing, today, to make a difference.
Bruce Springsteen fans were freezed out on Ticketmaster this morning, but there are several solutions the site could implement so that doesn't happen again. (Photo: Ilya S. Savenok/Getty Images)

What if I used my star power to influence the 2018 midterm elections instead of convincing you to buy my new record? Wait, this is America, can’t I do both? Ilya S. Savenok for Getty Images

First and foremost, that means electing Democrats to congress in the 2018 midterms. So, in the six months leading up to the 2018 elections—it might be just three or four months, haven’t confirmed the tour routing yet—I will be playing as many shows as possible, with the express purpose of doing everything I can to elect Democrats to congress in 2018. I will be introducing the candidates from the stage, making sure everyone coming to the concert knows who will be running in their district, registering voters, making sure voters know their voting rights, and putting money directly into the coffers and war chests of all the local congressional candidates.

Listen, if you don’t care, that’s fine. I am not actually criticizing you if you don’t care. It is a free country, as of today, anyway, and that is your right. And if you support Trump or the Republicans, that is your business, too. But if you want a change, don’t act all outraged about what’s going on and then do absolutely nothing about it. Don’t post something on Facebook or say something in an interview, and get all your friends going, “Oh, you are so right! Right on, brother!” and somehow actually think that makes a difference. It doesn’t.

To quote John Lennon: “If you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow.” Be Mao. Don’t just carry his picture. I mean, not literally Mao, but you get the idea.

Because if I don’t do this after all that working man and “Born in the USA” stuff I’ve been doing for decades and decades, for the rest of my life I might as well open my set with “Mustang Sally,” close my set with “Mustang Sally,” and in between play three and a half hours of “Mustang Sally,” then come out and do four encores of “Mustang Sally.”

Listen, I’m not saying everyone who picks up a guitar has to put on a Ché beret and fight the power. I really mean that. “Mustang Sally,” after all, is a helluva song.

But don’t wear Woody Guthrie’s shoes unless you are prepared to walk in his footsteps.

I have to run. Little Steven and I are trying to convince Jann to put G.E. Smith into the Hall of Fame.

Thanks for listening.

Love,

Bruce*

Could this arrogant and conceited FFING SOB , GET IT ANY MORE WRONG!????
He must think that he is some kind of god, with infinite wisdom and power.

Hey Bruce, the citizens of this country vote as a right, as a freedom in choosing .
With the system set up as its been over a hundred years before your sorry liberal conceited ass was even born..

I know, I'll never buy another thing you sell, be it music, books or any other junk, dumbass..
What an arrogant dickweed!!! -Tyr

gabosaurus
02-09-2017, 12:48 PM
Sorry to throw a damper of your fit of righteous anger, but that "letter" is a parody composed by an Observer writer. Springsteen is currently performing in Australia and New Zealand, so I doubt he is writing self-deprecating "letters" to anyone.

Gunny
02-09-2017, 01:56 PM
Sorry to throw a damper of your fit of righteous anger, but that "letter" is a parody composed by an Observer writer. Springsteen is currently performing in Australia and New Zealand, so I doubt he is writing self-deprecating "letters" to anyone.

Gee, does this ever end? More non-relevance from yet another irrelevant leftwingnut loser. When was his last hit? 1985? Yeah, I think I remember Dancing in the Dark. Sort of.

Gunny
02-09-2017, 02:03 PM
Sorry to throw a damper of your fit of righteous anger, but that "letter" is a parody composed by an Observer writer. Springsteen is currently performing in Australia and New Zealand, so I doubt he is writing self-deprecating "letters" to anyone.

Why should he bother? He's got YOU to keep up the front.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
02-09-2017, 03:10 PM
Sorry to throw a damper of your fit of righteous anger, but that "letter" is a parody composed by an Observer writer. Springsteen is currently performing in Australia and New Zealand, so I doubt he is writing self-deprecating "letters" to anyone.
Yes, that was a parody.
Do you not know what brucy boy has been saying at his concerts?-Tyr




http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/bruce-springsteen-blasts-donald-trumps-actions-as-anti-democratic-and-fundamentally-un-american/

Bruce Springsteen blasts Donald Trump’s actions as “anti-democratic and fundamentally un-American”
America's true Boss dedicates "Land of Hope and Dreams" to those foreign nationals and refugees now prevented from entering our country
by Randall Colburn
on January 30, 2017, 11:55am
It’s no secret that Bruce Springsteen is a staunch opponent of President Donald Trump. While out campaigning for Hillary Clinton, he referred to the overly bronzed totalitarian as a “a tragedy for our democracy.” He then serenaded the outgoing POTUS with a surprise set at the White House … as organizers of a New Jersey inaugural gala were left scrambling for a last-second replacement following the cancelation of a Springsteen tribute band.

Over the weekend, Springsteen again took shots at President Trump, this time in response to his recent executive order denying entry to citizens of seven predominantly Muslim countries, including refugees and green card holders. At a concert in Adelaide, Australia, The Boss took a break between songs to decry the executive order, calling it “anti-democratic and fundamentally un-American” after dubbing America a “nation of immigrants.”

“Tonight, we want to add our voices to the thousands of Americans who are protesting at airports around our country the Muslim ban and the detention of foreign nationals and refugees,” Springsteen told the crowd, following up his statement with “an immigrant’s song” in “American Land.”

As a means of doubling down on his sentiments, Springsteen posted a video of the statement to Twitter, which you can watch below:

"America is a nation of immigrants and we find this anti-democratic and fundamentally un-American." pic.twitter.com/DsXSaLeNNN

— Bruce Springsteen (@springsteen) January 30, 2017
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https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bruce+sprinsteins+antitrump+comments +at+his+concerts


'Fundamentally un-American': Bruce Springsteen slams Trump ... [http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2017/01/30/bruce-springsteen-slams-president-trump-immigration-ban/97236886/_green]
www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2017/.../bruce-springsteen...trump.../97236886/

Jan 30, 2017 - 'Fundamentally un-American': Bruce Springsteen slams Trump immigration ban ... During a concert in Adelaide, Australia, Monday night, Springsteen spoke out ... "America is a nation of immigrants and we find this anti-democratic and ... that Springsteen played a number of politically charged songs at his ...

Bruce Springsteen speaks out against President Donald Trump's ... [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/bruce-springsteen-president-donald-trump-muslim-ban-a7553626.html_green]
www.independent.co.uk › Culture › Music › News

Jan 30, 2017 - Bruce Springsteen speaks out against President Donald Trump's 'Muslim ... “America is a nation of immigrants and we find this anti-democratic ... to perform a more low-key concert, playing to Obama and his staff. ... Comments ...
Bruce Springsteen Mocks Trump at Australian Concerts [http://conservativetribune.com/springsteen-shames-america/_green]

conservativetribune.com/springsteen-shames-america/
5 days ago - Bruce Springsteen Mocks Trump at Australian Concerts ... Singer-songwriter Bruce Springsteen, whom everyone used to believe was a die-hard patriot, has revealed his true colors — and, boy, are ... “America is a nation of immigrants, and we find this anti-democratic and ...

Bruce Springsteen in Perth backs anti-Trump protestors - The New Daily [http://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/music/2017/01/23/boss-gets-political-perth-springsteen-firmly-anti-trump-corner/_green]
thenewdaily.com.au › Entertainment › Music

Jan 23, 2017 - 'The Boss' gets political in Perth – Springsteen firmly in anti–Trump ... Bruce Springsteen, who kicked off his latest Australian tour in Perth on ...

Elessar
02-09-2017, 03:44 PM
I never cared for him at all.

He's got the voice of a cheap garage-band singer, can't carry a tune,
sings through his nose and shouts.

Successful? Yeah. But significant? Not at all.

Black Diamond
02-09-2017, 03:47 PM
I like a few of his songs, but he is a pos.


he also a lot to Elvis and the ronettes. :cool:

NightTrain
02-10-2017, 11:35 AM
I never understood people that ran around calling him "The Boss".

His music was always as appealing as Micheal Bolton's to me.

I'll continue to not listen to his music or his politics. Pretty easy decision for me! :thumb:

Abbey Marie
02-10-2017, 12:21 PM
Many many years ago, I stood in line for 10 hours to see him & the E Street Band in a small (500 seats) club in NYC. It was an excellent show, but at that time he wasn't on a crusade. I have zero tolerance for entertainers who spout politics at their concerts.

jimnyc
02-10-2017, 12:33 PM
His lyrics of peace, love and understanding turned me away from him when I was like 13 or so.

BoogyMan
02-10-2017, 01:21 PM
Sorry to throw a damper of your fit of righteous anger, but that "letter" is a parody composed by an Observer writer. Springsteen is currently performing in Australia and New Zealand, so I doubt he is writing self-deprecating "letters" to anyone.

I doubt the validity of this letter as well. Correctly spelled words with proper usage of grammar would dictate that this is not the work of a leftist wingnut. :lol:

Gunny
02-10-2017, 04:03 PM
His lyrics of peace, love and understanding turned me away from him when I was like 13 or so.

He didn't make his name with lyrics of peace. Born in the USA isn't exactly some tyr poetry. He was a washed up 70s pop star that reinvented himself hanging onto Reagan's coat tail. And I'm totally with Abs on this one. If I buy a concert ticket it's NOT to hear your dumbass politics. Natalie Main single=handedly wiped out the Dixie Chicks down here with her big stupid mouth. Unlike Bruce who wishes, they were at the top. They got shut down faster than a cellar door.

And that idiot is older than me. Go home, grandpa. I got a walker in the closet somewhere if you need it to get on stage.

aboutime
02-10-2017, 04:10 PM
Old man Spring-instein IS NOT, and NEVER HAS BEEN the boss of anything. Unless you give those who intentionally collect UNemployment, as credit to his Easily-led, N.J. wannabe smart-asses who claim he is their CZAR of intelligence for the Illiterate.
Liberal followers always follow the people who are just like the so-called leaders, if only because they are famous..

Remember. God created everything in SEVEN days, and before he rested On Sunday, he suffered from terrible gas pains....that later became Liberals.:laugh:,

Gunny
02-10-2017, 04:24 PM
Old man Spring-instein IS NOT, and NEVER HAS BEEN the boss of anything. Unless you give those who intentionally collect UNemployment, as credit to his Easily-led, N.J. wannabe smart-asses who claim he is their CZAR of intelligence for the Illiterate.
Liberal followers always follow the people who are just like the so-called leaders, if only because they are famous..

Remember. God created everything in SEVEN days, and before he rested On Sunday, he suffered from terrible gas pains....that later became Liberals.:laugh:
,

Gee AT, how do you REALLY feel?:laugh2:

Elessar
02-10-2017, 04:32 PM
Many many years ago, I stood in line for 10 hours to see him & the E Street Band in a small (500 seats) club in NYC. It was an excellent show, but at that time he wasn't on a crusade. I have zero tolerance for entertainers who spout politics at their concerts.

I liked John Denver's songs until I saw him in concert in LA. Between his songs
were injected some political tirade of one or the other. After 20 minutes of that I left,
figuring I wasted my $75 ticket money.

NightTrain
02-10-2017, 04:42 PM
I liked John Denver's songs until I saw him in concert in LA. Between his songs
were injected some political tirade of one or the other. After 20 minutes of that I left,
figuring I wasted my $75 ticket money.

John Denver was run out of AK after giving a speech to a bunch of outdoorsmen about how they were all very stupid and morally bankrupt for hunting moose.

As far as I know, he never came back... if he did, it was incognito.

aboutime
02-10-2017, 06:02 PM
Gee AT, how do you REALLY feel?:laugh2:


Thanks for askin' Gunny. That's my Mild side breaking loose. :laugh: