Third World salaries paid to Russian workers

[Drummond]

Though, of course, anybody is most welcome to join the debate .. this is aimed at Balu.

Balu would (and does), of course, as a patriotic Russian, happily try to 'sell' the virtues of his Motherland to us, here in the West.

Well ... I've very recently been in contact with a Russian citizen who brought to my attention just how low a wage that person was paid. In that example ... 140 dollars (after conversion) paid per month.

This made me wonder if the Russian economy only survives as it does through a systematic impoverishment of its citizens. I thought I'd do a small spot of checking. This is what I've found ...

http://www.worldsalaries.org/russia.shtml



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Average Salary in Russia - Job and Sector Comparison.


Job
<nobr> Net Monthly Income </nobr><nobr><small>constant 2005 US$ (1)</small></nobr>
<nobr>Notes</nobr>
<nobr>Gross Monthly</nobr><nobr>Average Income <small>(2)</small></nobr>
Compulsory <nobr>Deductions <small>(3)</small></nobr>
Weekly <nobr>Hours <small>(4)</small></nobr>





<nobr>Airline Pilot</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/airlinepilot.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 2,161</nobr>
<nobr>$ 864</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
27,769
roubles
13%
36.2


<nobr>Flight Attendant</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/flightattendant.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,132</nobr>
<nobr>$ 453</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
14,547
roubles
13%
36.5


<nobr>Miner</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/miner.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,052</nobr>
<nobr>$ 421</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
13,518
roubles
13%
30.0


<nobr>Engineer</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/engineer.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 813</nobr>
<nobr>$ 325</nobr>
Employees, petroleum and natural gas engineer, men, 2004.
10,445
roubles
13%
40.0


<nobr>Car Mechanic</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/carmechanic.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 627</nobr>
<nobr>$ 251</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
8,059
roubles
13%
40.0


<nobr>Bus Driver</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/busdriver.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 606</nobr>
<nobr>$ 242</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
7,789
roubles
13%
40.0


<nobr>Hotel Receptionist</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/hotelreceptionist.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 594</nobr>
<nobr>$ 237</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
7,631
roubles
13%
39.8


<nobr>Carpenter</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/carpenter.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 543</nobr>
<nobr>$ 217</nobr>
Employees, men only, 2004.
6,982
roubles
13%
40.0


<nobr>Chambermaid</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/chambermaid.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 400</nobr>
<nobr>$ 160</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
5,139
roubles
13%
39.5


<nobr>Baker</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/baker.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 344</nobr>
<nobr>$ 138</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
4,423
roubles
13%
39.5


<nobr>Furniture Finisher</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/furniturefinisher.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 326</nobr>
<nobr>$ 130</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
4,191
roubles
13%
40.0


<nobr>Garment Cutter</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/garmentcutter.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 282</nobr>
<nobr>$ 113</nobr>
Employees, women only, 2004.
3,626
roubles
13%
39.1


<nobr>Postman</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/postman.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 275</nobr>
<nobr>$ 110</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
3,539
roubles
13%
38.9


<nobr>Salesperson</nobr> average salary (http://www.worldsalaries.org/salesperson.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 230</nobr>
<nobr>$ 92</nobr>
Employees, 2004.
2,949
roubles
13%
39.0


Sector









<nobr>Financial</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/financial.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,438</nobr>
<nobr>$ 687</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
22,336
roubles
13%



<nobr>Mining-Quarrying</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/miningquarrying.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 1,285</nobr>
<nobr>$ 614</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
19,954
roubles
13%



<nobr>Transport-Communication</nobr>average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/transportcommunication.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 736</nobr>
<nobr>$ 352</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
11,436
roubles
13%



<nobr>Gas-Electricity-Water</nobr>average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/gaselectricitywater.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 681</nobr>
<nobr>$ 325</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
10,575
roubles
13%
32.7


<nobr>Construction</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/construction.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 571</nobr>
<nobr>$ 273</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,869
roubles
13%



<nobr>All Sectors</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/allsectors.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 551</nobr>
<nobr>$ 263</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,550
roubles
13%



<nobr>Manufacturing</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/manufacturing.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 548</nobr>
<nobr>$ 262</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
8,504
roubles
13%
31.0


<nobr>Real Estate</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/realestate.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 436</nobr>
<nobr>$ 208</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
6,769
roubles
13%



<nobr>Hotels-Restaurants</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/hotelsrestaurants.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 432</nobr>
<nobr>$ 206</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
6,704
roubles
13%



<nobr>Education</nobr> average income (http://www.worldsalaries.org/education.shtml)
<nobr><small>PPP</small> $ 353</nobr>
<nobr>$ 169</nobr>
Employees, 2005.
5,478
roubles
13%

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It's old data. BUT, is it really unrepresentative of today's abysmal Russian wage packets ?

Up to date data (unless anyone can do better ?) seems to be rather hard to pin down. Because Russian authorities would rather it wasn't generally available ?

Over to you, Balu. Granted, you may want to re-hash your tired 'it's all Western propaganda' line. But try, please, to rely instead on useful data when (if) you do respond ...

[gabosaurus]

I am guessing that Balu is a high ranking comrade who doesn't have to worry about money. How else would he have unfettered internet access in Russia?

[Drummond]

Balu ... you've nothing to contribute ? No corrective information to offer, perhaps ?

Failing that .... no explanation as to why your OWN citizens must live in such comparative poverty, compared to Western countries ??

[Balu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEWx4-6WgAAVaFG.png

And then... Salaries or income MUST be compared to taxes, prices, tariffs and other expenses in DOMESTIC currency. Otherwise it is a liberal propaganda bullshit of an illiterate ignorant.
For your information in 2017 the MINIMUM wage is 7,800 rubles. Besides it is not subject to taxation.
In Russia we have flat tax scale=13%. Besides, medical insurance, covering outpatient care, home call emergency doctor and hospitalization for all kinds of treatment and operations prescribed, including cardiology and joints replacement is obligatory free of charge and valid on the whole territory od Russia.

Some prices in Russia (in rubles):
Bread 0.3 kg. ~ 28-50
Milk 1l. ~ 45-48
Sugar 1 kg. ~ 40-42
Eggs 10 pieces.~ 56-60
Chicken 1 kg. ~ 120-160
Beef 1 kg. ~ 400-450
Pork 1 kg. ~ 300-350
1 package of cigarettes ~ 50-80
0.5l tin of beer ~ 40-70
0,7l of Spanish/Chilean/Russian/Georgian white wine ~ 270-370
0,5l of vodka- 360-560
1 liter of petrol (95 octane) ~ 36

So, I would recommend you one more time - DO delve into the subject prior to demonstrating your ignorance.

[Drummond]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEWx4-6WgAAVaFG.png

And then... Salaries or income MUST be compared to taxes, prices, tariffs and other expenses in DOMESTIC currency. Otherwise it is a liberal propaganda bullshit of an illiterate ignorant.
For your information in 2017 the MINIMUM wage is 7,800 rubles. Besides it is not subject to taxation.
In Russia we have flat tax scale=13%. Besides, medical insurance, covering outpatient care, home call emergency doctor and hospitalization for all kinds of treatment and operations prescribed, including cardiology and joints replacement is obligatory free of charge and valid on the whole territory od Russia.

Some prices in Russia (in rubles):
Bread 0.3 kg. ~ 28-50
Milk 1l. ~ 45-48
Sugar 1 kg. ~ 40-42
Eggs 10 pieces.~ 56-60
Chicken 1 kg. ~ 120-160
Beef 1 kg. ~ 400-450
Pork 1 kg. ~ 300-350
1 package of cigarettes ~ 50-80
0.5l tin of beer ~ 40-70
0,7l of Spanish/Chilean/Russian/Georgian white wine ~ 270-370
0,5l of vodka- 360-560
1 liter of petrol (95 octane) ~ 36

So, I would recommend you one more time - DO delve into the subject prior to demonstrating your ignorance.

You seem unhappy, Balu ? I am so sorry about that ....... :rolleyes:

The picture of Putin raising his finger. H'm. Open to interpretation, I think. Would that be Putin giving his citizens 'the finger', by any chance ?

I could have guessed at your answer. It HAS to follow that the cost of living in Russia is lower than in my part of the world (or that of the US) .. because if it weren't, your people would be literally incapable of surviving on their chronically low wages !!! THAT is how low they are !!

But that begs the question .. with such a comparative lack of money circulating in the Russian economy, how is it that you viably trade with other parts of the world ? How do you afford to ? How's it done ?

In the old USSR days, the answer would've been clear enough. You had satellite countries you could leech off of !! Today ... it's more unclear. Even so, it serves to provide added incentive for Putin to turn back the clock and recreate the old USSR principle ... and, say, annexe the Crimea, eh ?

I wonder who's next for annexation ?

I can't speak with any authority for the American way of doing things. In the UK, though, we have a minimum wage below which it's illegal to pay a wage ... that's £11,000 per year. In roubles ... 816,401. Nobody pays tax if they earn £11,000 or less. We too have our National Health Service, paid for by taxation. Our basic rate of income tax is 20 percent.

I don't propose to give you a full listing of household items, but obviously their costs will be substantially higher than yours. But then again, we operate an economy (albeit suffering EU interference at times) which is, in large measure, a viable one ... NOT dependent on annexing countries !

And though poverty does exist, with each generation it becomes less, and the standards people can expect to enjoy always increase over time. CAPITALISM does this, you see ... it generates wealth ... real wealth, real prosperity.

I'm talking, Balu, about prosperity which perhaps is outside the orbit, entirely, of Russian thinking.

But I come back to my central point. Your economy comes across as being a 'mickey mouse' one ... run on unrealistic grounds. I say again, how do you freely and profitably trade, internationally ? Explain it to me, Balu.

As matters stand ... wouldn't your people be better off if you spent less on military costs, missile building and upgrading, foreign adventurism (e.g your presence in eastern Ukraine) .. and the like ... and instead, concentrated on peaceful trade efforts ? How can your economy NOT badly need an overhaul ??

Or ...do you people just 'need' to plan for the next territory annexation, instead ?

[Balu]

You seem unhappy, Balu ? I am so sorry about that ....... :rolleyes:



Me? - Not at all.
I know that in the West nobody knows nothing about Russia, beside your propaganda is feeding you with, but use to speak about the subject they've no clue about, losing their faces every time.
So, learn first, then return back. I do not intend to be engaged in your educating. I prefer to speak with educated and smart. You are not interesting for me.
You had a chance to use the opportunity to ask and receive the answers, but failed. So, bye! http://s19.rimg.info/fed95296d4a304f286d8f7821ed0bb6f.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1227298311.html)

[Drummond]

Me? - Not at all.
I know that in the West nobody knows nothing about Russia, beside your propaganda is feeding you with, but use to speak about the subject they've no clue about, losing their faces every time.
So, learn first, then return back. I do not intend to be engaged in your educating. I prefer to speak with educated and smart. You are not interesting for me.
You had a chance to use the opportunity to ask and receive the answers, but failed. So, bye! http://s19.rimg.info/fed95296d4a304f286d8f7821ed0bb6f.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1227298311.html)

Bye bye to you too, Balu. And after all, why not ? You've bailed out of the debate ! Things getting too awkward ?:laugh::laugh:

The simple fact is that Russian people are paid a pittance compared with their Western counterparts. The only way they could hope to survive is to live in a society which SOMEHOW manages to reduce the cost of living to levels which allow that pittance to be survivable !

My point - apart from, what on earth justifies enforced levels of pay which impoverish !!! - is, how do you maintain proper balance of payment levels, when trading with other countries ? Someone buys a product not originating in Russia .. so, how do those who manufacture it, get enough payment for their goods, if those manufacturers live in the REAL world, requiring REAL payment for goods, services, employees, future investment ?

It seems to me that you have to go to extreme lengths to make it possible.

Perhaps this sort of tactic helps ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1106382/Europe-plunged-energy-crisis-Russia-cuts-gas-supply-Ukraine.html


Russia cut gas exports to Europe by 60 per cent today, plunging the continent into an energy crisis 'within hours' as a dispute with Ukraine escalated.

This morning, gas companies in Ukraine said that Russia had completely cut off their supply.

Six countries reported a complete shut-off of Russian gas shipped via Ukraine today, in a sharp escalation of a struggle over energy that threatens Europe as winter sets in.

Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia, Romania, Croatia and Turkey all reported a halt in gas shipments from Russia through Ukraine.
Croatia said it was temporarily reducing supplies to industrial customers while Bulgaria said it had enough gas for only 'for a few days' and was in a 'crisis situation'.

The Czech EU Presidency and the European Commission demand that gas supplies be restored immediately to the EU and that the two parties resume negotiations at once with a view to a definitive settlement of their bilateral commercial dispute,' the presidency and the Commission said in a joint statement.

They added that the EU would 'intensify the dialogue with both parties so that they can reach an agreement swiftly'.

Overnight the Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin ordered the state energy giant Gazprom to cut supplies to and through Ukraine by around three-fifths amid accusations its neighbour has been siphoning off and stealing Russian gas.

Ukraine says the Russian move has been prompted by payment and price disputes, a row between the two that has become almost annual.

The effects of the dispute on the rest of Europe however is stark, said Ukraine's main gas supplier.

Good ol' Uncle Vladimir was busy again, I see. How nice for everyone ...

Your country can threaten people. Your country can, as you've proved, even have the gall to annexe a country via an illegal Referendum, so as to gain control of all aspects of life within it (USSR Mark #2 ??).

But, can you live according to Western principles, and trade honestly and decently ?

All the while .. your hapless citizens are getting by on a pittance.

But never mind. Your bog-standard argument kicked in, Balu. IT'S ALL WESTERN PROPAGANDA.

.... sure it is ....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Black Diamond]

Bye bye to you too, Balu. And after all, why not ? You've bailed out of the debate ! Things getting too awkward ?:laugh::laugh:

The simple fact is that Russian people are paid a pittance compared with their Western counterparts. The only way they could hope to survive is to live in a society which SOMEHOW manages to reduce the cost of living to levels which allow that pittance to be survivable !

My point - apart from, what on earth justifies enforced levels of pay which impoverish !!! - is, how do you maintain proper balance of payment levels, when trading with other countries ? Someone buys a product not originating in Russia .. so, how do those who manufacture it, get enough payment for their goods, if those manufacturers live in the REAL world, requiring REAL payment for goods, services, employees, future investment ?

It seems to me that you have to go to extreme lengths to make it possible.

Perhaps this sort of tactic helps ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1106382/Europe-plunged-energy-crisis-Russia-cuts-gas-supply-Ukraine.html



Good ol' Uncle Vladimir's was busy again, I see. How nice for everyone ...

Your country can threaten people. Your country can, as you've proved, even have the gall to annexe a country via an illegal Referendum, so as to gain control of all aspects of life within it (USSR Mark #2 ??).

But, can you live according to Western principles, and trade honestly and decently ?

All the while .. your hapless citizens are getting by on a pittance.

But never mind. Your bog-standard argument kicked in, Balu. IT'S ALL WESTERN PROPAGANDA.

.... sure it is ....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
How long before the ass clown has no one else to talk to?

[Drummond]

How long before the ass clown has no one else to talk to?

Not too long now, I'm thinking ....