Manning gets a pardon

[CSM]

So "not my president" Obama pardons Manning....nice....

[Gunny]

So "not my president" Obama pardons Manning....nice....

Sergeant Major, you KNOW there are certain lines even I don't cross. I'll have my say about his O-Uselessness the second he's out of office. I got ALL kinds of ideas about "disappearing" in the field.

[Noir]

Good job "not my president" :clap::clap::clap:

he he has also pardoned Gen. Cartwright, who leaked info on Stuxnet and was due for sentencing today.

Now he he could just get around to Snowden and Assange...

[aboutime]

See how important Obama's false legacy is for anyone who CARES?

If he is convinced he is such a Super, Wonderful President. Imagine what History will more often say about him.

Obama REALLY WILL be remembered as..The Hands Down, Worst Ever, Wannabe President of the Socialist States of America. He's now, right up there with other notable failures like Mussolini, Khadafi, Hussein, Lennon, Marks, and Hitler.

Hope he's proud in his new nation of CALIFORNICATION, where gabby can groom Obama's GOLF BALLS with kisses.

[Gunny]

See how important Obama's false legacy is for anyone who CARES?

If he is convinced he is such a Super, Wonderful President. Imagine what History will more often say about him.

Obama REALLY WILL be remembered as..The Hands Down, Worst Ever, Wannabe President of the Socialist States of America. He's now, right up there with other notable failures like Mussolini, Khadafi, Hussein, Lennon, Marks, and Hitler.

Hope he's proud in his new nation of CALIFORNICATION, where gabby can groom Obama's GOLF BALLS with kisses.

Problem is AT, the left re-writes our history. They've given a pass to every Democrat and leftwingnut there is while just trashing Republicans. The media is part and parcel to the package.

The dynamics make the deal. Conservatives are conservative. By definition. I'd like to see them fight back, but I ain't holding my breath waiting. Leftwingers on the other hand are like a damned virus. They spread their vitriol and hate any and everywhere they can.


Notice that ever since Trump won, the left's recovery tactic has been to double down on their stupidity and viciousness. and they have just swamped the MSM with How Great Thou Art for Obama. They aren't going to quit and someone needs to fight back.

[aboutime]

Problem is AT, the left re-writes our history. They've given a pass to every Democrat and leftwingnut there is while just trashing Republicans. The media is part and parcel to the package.

The dynamics make the deal. Conservatives are conservative. By definition. I'd like to see them fight back, but I ain't holding my breath waiting. Leftwingers on the other hand are like a damned virus. They spread their vitriol and hate any and everywhere they can.


Notice that ever since Trump won, the left's recovery tactic has been to double down on their stupidity and viciousness. and they have just swamped the MSM with How Great Thou Art for Obama. They aren't going to quit and someone needs to fight back.



Gunny. Agreed. But...WE are fighting back. It started with the Dems refusing to accept that TRUMP ACTUALLY BECOMES OUR PRESIDENT on Friday.
If they choose to keep refusing. Great for them. The less they have to cheer about, the better for the rest of America who WILL BE CHEERING.
The Dems can refuse to take advantage of everything that will help them if they like, and in doing so...How many will be any happier for four, or eight years?
Much like all of us have suffered through the 8 years of DUMBO.
I believe in being realistic, and pragmatic. If they Dems don't like something...SCREW 'EM.

[Gunny]

Gunny. Agreed. But...WE are fighting back. It started with the Dems refusing to accept that TRUMP ACTUALLY BECOMES OUR PRESIDENT on Friday.
If they choose to keep refusing. Great for them. The less they have to cheer about, the better for the rest of America who WILL BE CHEERING.
The Dems can refuse to take advantage of everything that will help them if they like, and in doing so...How many will be any happier for four, or eight years?
Much like all of us have suffered through the 8 years of DUMBO.
I believe in being realistic, and pragmatic. If they Dems don't like something...SCREW 'EM.

I'm thinking long term. I don't want to win one battle. I wan to win the war.

[aboutime]

I'm thinking long term. I don't want to win one battle. I wan to win the war.


In due time gunny. In due time. We need to be patient, and watch what happens by NEXT Monday, after all of the celebrating is over.

Long term. Nobody will ever PLEASE the whiners, idiots, dummies, and Democrats.

They are incapable of understanding what TRUTH, and HONESTY really mean.

[KarlMarx]

Good job "not my president" :clap::clap::clap:

he he has also pardoned Gen. Cartwright, who leaked info on Stuxnet and was due for sentencing today.

Now he he could just get around to Snowden and Assange...

It's nothing to clap about. When classified information is leaked, people usually die.

Top Secret classification - EO 12356 states that the Top Secret classification level "shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security i.e. a few million people could die if this information would fall into the hands of the enemy

Secret classification - information in which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the national security. - i.e. a few hundred thousand people could die if this information falls into the hands of the hands of the enemy


Snowden should be tried for treason the minute he sets foot on American soil. I'm sure a lot of "assets" that supplied us with information died as a result of that guy. I think you'd feel differently if a member of your family was one of them.

This is a disturbing pattern with El Presidente Incompetente. He takes the matter of classified information and national security so lightly that it's a wonder a major American city isn't a heap of radioactive ashes. I'm sure he had a hand in ensuring that Hillary Clinton's treasonous "carelessness" was met with little more than a mild scolding. She should be worrying about how many years of prison she will be facing rather than attending the Inauguration.

[Elessar]

Obama granting clemency to this brain-addled piece of crap is a slap in the face to all of
us who honored the oaths we took, pledges we took to safeguard information.

This out-going administration did not give a shit. Hillary gets off the hook likely because
of intervention by Bill.

Manning, s/he deserves to stay in prison. What was Obama trying to prove with this move?
Sympathy for a soldier that could not identify with HIS birth gender.

Something is seriously wrong with this.

Here is a link to a list that is all US Federal Law:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/18/3a.11

[Kathianne]

Some rather nasty, violent people also were pardoned. BTW, the FALN member from Chicago has 'no regrets,' for what he did:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/man-who-fought-for-puerto-rican-independence-gets-obama-clemency/


CHICAGO (http://chicago.suntimes.com/section/chicago-politics/) 01/17/2017, 04:02pm Ex-leaders of FALN, Gangster Disciples get breaks from Obama


President Obama has given significant sentencing breaks to two convicted felons with Chicago ties — a former leader of the FALN, which was tied to bombings across the United States in the fight for Puerto Rican independence, and an ex-top “governor” of the Gangster Disciples.

Obama granted clemency to Oscar Lopez Rivera, 74, who was sentenced to 55 years in prison for his role in the struggle for independence for the U.S. island territory. He was part of the ultranationalist Armed Forces of National Liberation of FALN that has claimed responsibility for more than 100 bombings at public and commercial buildings in U.S. cities, including Chicago, New York and Washington, during the 1970s and ’80s.

...

[CSM]

Good job "not my president" :clap::clap::clap:

he he has also pardoned Gen. Cartwright, who leaked info on Stuxnet and was due for sentencing today.

Now he he could just get around to Snowden and Assange...

You are apparently very pleased that those who take the security of this nation lightly (intentionally or otherwise) will be free to place the citizens of the US in further danger. I wonder if you would be so cavalier with your own country's security and your own safety....

[Gunny]

You are apparently very pleased that those who take the security of this nation lightly (intentionally or otherwise) will be free to place the citizens of the US in further danger. I wonder if you would be so cavalier with your own country's security and your own safety....

He has always lived under someone else's umbrella, Sergeant Major. He's never had to do anything and couldn't defend himself from a seagull.

[CSM]

He has always lived under someone else's umbrella, Sergeant Major. He's never had to do anything and couldn't defend himself from a seagull.

It is my sincerest hope that Manning has his man parts removed before release. What he does after that is his problem and at HIS expense....

As for Noir, it is easy to poke at the issues undergone by others. Right up until that same sort of thing occurs for those such as he. Then the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins; along with the assertion that others MUST do something to relieve them of their plight.

[Balu]

... I'm sure a lot of "assets" that supplied us with information died as a result of that guy. ...
To be sure means to have proofs. I'll be very grateful if you show a pair of proved cases which made you think this very way.

[Elessar]

You are apparently very pleased that those who take the security of this nation lightly (intentionally or otherwise) will be free to place the citizens of the US in further danger. I wonder if you would be so cavalier with your own country's security and your own safety....


He has always lived under someone else's umbrella, Sergeant Major. He's never had to do anything and couldn't defend himself from a seagull.


It is my sincerest hope that Manning has his man parts removed before release. What he does after that is his problem and at HIS expense....

As for Noir, it is easy to poke at the issues undergone by others. Right up until that same sort of thing occurs for those such as he. Then the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins; along with the assertion that others MUST do something to relieve them of their plight.

Let's sum it up.

Noir is a wussy pussy that has never done a thing personally to stand up and defend the U.K.
All he does is whine and try to preach to us, hiding behind his mommy's skirt.

Yet he comes in here and dares to tell US Armed Forces Vets what to think.
No experience or basis in fact involved. Fucking coward...

Time to clean out your diapers Noir, and become a man and not a spoiled child.

At least Balu cites being a Russian military officer.

[Balu]

At least Balu cites being a Russian military officer.
Everything depends.
That's why 'dirty espionage' and 'valiant intelligence' exist side by side.
And surely nobody would justify the betrayal. :slap:

[Gunny]

In due time gunny. In due time. We need to be patient, and watch what happens by NEXT Monday, after all of the celebrating is over.

Long term. Nobody will ever PLEASE the whiners, idiots, dummies, and Democrats.

They are incapable of understanding what TRUTH, and HONESTY really mean.

Oh I know how to lay in the sand and be patient. I just don't and haven not seen the GOP get a plan, stick to it and make it work. I wouldn't even care if they screwed some crap up along the way so long as they kept moving forward. But you can't keep playing the enemy's game, losing, then hoping for different results with the same plan.

The left will tie the Republicans up in Congress and make dumbass accusations in the media that will have the Republicans scurrying like rats to defend themselves. In the meantime, nothing gets done. Why do they play this trying to get along game when the Dems don't? Look at how they're acting now. That's trying to get along? Whining and crying with the media's help, rioting .... yeah we'd get along right up until me and my Hummer came down the street.

And I'm sorry if my Marine Corps green is showing but someone needs to attack the enemy. Drive the enemy from the field. Render them incapable. They can have their turn to talk after they sit down, shut up and start acting like adults.

But I would clean house first. More than a couple of people on the right would be completely disempowered from any and all positions beyond their show up and vote. It's too much to do in 4 years especially considering it's really a 2 and 1/2 year term before running for reelection begins.

I'm all for changing the process but it wouldn't be anything these crybabies would go for. Not by a long shot.

[CSM]

"yeah we'd get along right up until me and my Hummer came down the street.

And I'm sorry if my Marine Corps green is showing but someone needs to attack the enemy. Drive the enemy from the field. Render them incapable. They can have their turn to talk after they sit down, shut up and start acting like adults."

Can I catch a ride?

[Gunny]

"yeah we'd get along right up until me and my Hummer came down the street.

And I'm sorry if my Marine Corps green is showing but someone needs to attack the enemy. Drive the enemy from the field. Render them incapable. They can have their turn to talk after they sit down, shut up and start acting like adults."

Can I catch a ride?

I can get 8 jarheads in a Hummer. Unfortunately, only 6 if you're along. Lot of extra comm gear goes with hauling command staff. Guess they can run along beside the truck ....:laugh:

Might want to be careful riding with me though. Had a Capt scared to death when I was a Cpl. Was in one of those old Ford Mutt Jeeps. He said we need to go here ... I drive in a straight line. Was hilarious in hindsight. We were on Dime Dingo in the Alpha corridor at 29 Palms. It's a ways uphill in the desert. I think he may have soiled something by the time we got down the hill.:laugh2:

Thwn the squirt tried to fire me from MY Jeep. I'm like nope. It's signed out to me not you, Capt. The Master Gunny at MT hated me. I take great pride in that. I destroyed 4 of his vehicles.

[CSM]

I can get 8 jarheads in a Hummer. Unfortunately, only 6 if you're along. Lot of extra comm gear goes with hauling command staff. Guess they can run along beside the truck ....:laugh:

Might want to be careful riding with me though. Had a Capt scared to death when I was a Cpl. Was in one of those old Ford Mutt Jeeps. He said we need to go here ... I drive in a straight line. Was hilarious in hindsight. We were on Dime Dingo in the Alpha corridor at 29 Palms. It's a ways uphill in the desert. I think he may have soiled something by the time we got down the hill.:laugh2:

Thwn the squirt tried to fire me from MY Jeep. I'm like nope. It's signed out to me not you, Capt. The Master Gunny at MT hated me. I take great pride in that. I destroyed 4 of his vehicles.

Officers are different animals. I wasn't BORN a CSM ya know.... as for comm gear I wasn't planning on TALKING to anyone not along for the ride....

[Gunny]

Officers are different animals. I wasn't BORN a CSM ya know.... as for comm gear I wasn't planning on TALKING to anyone not along for the ride....

Do I ever hear ya, bro. You'd have thought I was born a Gunny. No, little goofheads, I started as a slick sleeve just like you. Until the day I retired I could still outrun my troops, out lift them and out swim them ..... I set the example. I was the leader. I never asked them to do anything I could not do or hadn't done.

But I had a blast as a troop. You have to drive around in the desert in this 4 wheel drive Jeep. Oh gee let me guess ... I get to carry this M-16 with me too? Break my friggin heart.:laugh:

[CSM]

Do I ever hear ya, bro. You'd have thought I was born a Gunny. No, little goofheads, I started as a slick sleeve just like you. Until the day I retired I could still outrun my troops, out lift them and out swim them ..... I set the example. I was the leader. I never asked them to do anything I could not do or hadn't done.

But I had a blast as a troop. You have to drive around in the desert in this 4 wheel drive Jeep. Oh gee let me guess ... I get to carry this M-16 with me too? Break my friggin heart.:laugh:

M-14 first ...then M-16

[Gunny]

M-14 first ...then M-16

I LOVED my M-14. Have one now.

[GravyBoat]

Manning Schmanning, I'm upset that he pardoned Willie McCovey and Duke Snider for tax evasion.

[Drummond]

You are apparently very pleased that those who take the security of this nation lightly (intentionally or otherwise) will be free to place the citizens of the US in further danger. I wonder if you would be so cavalier with your own country's security and your own safety....

Oh, I think that he would be.

I believe I can take it as read that our resident Pond-distant Leftie is / would be a British Labour Party supporter (it's certainly a lot more likely than his supporting their opposition ..) ? Well ... Jeremy Corbyn, Labour's leader, is on record as publicly declaring that he'd never authorise the use of nuclear weapons against an enemy, under ANY circumstances !!

The security of Western nations relies in no small part upon the deterrence mere ownership of nukes suggests must exist. Corbyn's idea is to totally remove any deterrent factor against any foreign aggressor.

I think this speak for itself.

[Black Diamond]

Does this mean he will pardon Putin? :cool:

[Drummond]

Let's sum it up.

Noir is a wussy pussy that has never done a thing personally to stand up and defend the U.K.
All he does is whine and try to preach to us, hiding behind his mommy's skirt.

Yet he comes in here and dares to tell US Armed Forces Vets what to think.
No experience or basis in fact involved. Fucking coward...

Time to clean out your diapers Noir, and become a man and not a spoiled child.

At least Balu cites being a Russian military officer.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Very well said.

As another Brit ... I fully acknowledge the role America has played, and is continuing to play, in keeping Western nations safe against those forces in the world who'd happily do us great harm. I for one am fully appreciative of it.

Any and all measures Trump introduces to strengthen America's military capabilities, I'll be delighted to see ... the world needs a strong America. The stronger the better.

Noir's judgmentality is no less than disgusting.

[aboutime]

If Obama can Pardon a known TRAITOR, then Trump should be able to PARDON... General David H. Petraeus. His so-called crime was tiny compared to the TRANNY DRAG QUEEN Obama loves so much.