Pork Soup?

[MtnBiker]

Is it ethical for a group to hand out soup containing pork to feed homeless people?

[Gaffer]

Sure. Its up to the people whether they want to eat it or not.

[Missileman]

Is it ethical for a group to hand out soup containing pork to feed homeless people?

It is as long as there isn't some stupid motive behind it.

[Gaffer]

I recommend serving it at Gitmo.

[MtnBiker]

It is as long as there isn't some stupid motive behind it.

So you can only hand out food it it meets other people's criteria?

[Missileman]

So you can only hand out food it it meets other people's criteria?

Did I say that? If the only motive for serving pork soup is too exclude Jews and Muslims, I'd call that unethical.

[MtnBiker]

Did I say that? If the only motive for serving pork soup is too exclude Jews and Muslims, I'd call that unethical.

Not really the people who do not consume pork do so by their own choosing. They could have the pork soup if they chose to.

[Missileman]

Not really the people who do not consume pork do so by their own choosing. They could have the pork soup if they chose to.

I bet you'd scream bloody murder if a Muslim-run shelter demanded everyone swear allegiance to Allah before getting fed. Of course a person's religion is by their own choosing and they could eat if they chose to. :rolleyes:

[MtnBiker]

I bet you'd scream bloody murder if a Muslim-run shelter demanded everyone swear allegiance to Allah before getting fed. Of course a person's religion is by their own choosing and they could eat if they chose to. :rolleyes:

This is not about me. Your analogy would be unethical for the muslims to do as you describe it.

[Missileman]

This is not about me. Your analogy would be unethical for the muslims to do as you describe it.

And as I said, whether serving pork soup is unethical or not depends on the motive behind the menu.

[Gaffer]

I bet you'd scream bloody murder if a Muslim-run shelter demanded everyone swear allegiance to Allah before getting fed. Of course a person's religion is by their own choosing and they could eat if they chose to. :rolleyes:

Muslims only feed muslims. They will let you convert for food tho. And if you don't convert they will kill you. :D

Muslim shelters only serve muslims. No one else can get help there.

[Missileman]

Muslims only feed muslims. They will let you convert for food tho. And if you don't convert they will kill you. :D

Muslim shelters only serve muslims. No one else can get help there.

Even if true, does that make it ethical to force a person in need to choose between upholding their religious principles or going hungry?

[Gaffer]

Even if true, does that make it ethical to force a person in need to choose between upholding their religious principles or going hungry?

If its all I have to offer then they have to deal with it. I would be nice enough to put a sign up saying pork soup.

[Dilloduck]

Even if true, does that make it ethical to force a person in need to choose between upholding their religious principles or going hungry?

I'd bet a majority of Americans have to begrudgingly give up some principals to make a buck.

[jillian]

Not really the people who do not consume pork do so by their own choosing. They could have the pork soup if they chose to.

People who don't eat pork because of their religious beliefs don't believe they have a choice.

[Dilloduck]

Even if true, does that make it ethical to force a person in need to choose between upholding their religious principles or going hungry?

Would it be more ethical to just quit feeding all starving people ?

[Missileman]

Would it be more ethical to just quit feeding all starving people ?

I can't believe how many of you are arguing that it is ethical to intentionally make it likely for a person to go hungry. Actually, upon further reflection, I guess I can.

[Dilloduck]

I can't believe how many of you are arguing that it is ethical to intentionally make it likely for a person to go hungry. Actually, upon further reflection, I guess I can.

I can't believe you would criticize anyone for feeding people for free.

[MtnBiker]

I suppose vegetarians should never become in need of a food handout. They might become offended if someone offered them an animal protein.

[Dilloduck]

I suppose vegetarians should never become in need of a food handout. They might become offended if someone offered them an animal protein.

Guess that's why you can buy everything from bacon bits to twinkies with food stamps.

[Missileman]

I suppose vegetarians should never become in need of a food handout. They might become offended if someone offered them an animal protein.

Yeah, there's soooo many shelters where the only thing on the menu is meat. :rolleyes:

[Evil]

Homeless, and going to a shelter for food? If they don't like the menu because of their faith then perhaps their faith can get them a job so they are'nt homeless. Screw em', find another shelter!

[Pale Rider]

I bet you'd scream bloody murder if a Muslim-run shelter demanded everyone swear allegiance to Allah before getting fed. Of course a person's religion is by their own choosing and they could eat if they chose to. :rolleyes:

No ones asking the muslims to swear allegiance to Christianity before eating the pork soup either.

[Missileman]

Homeless, and going to a shelter for food? If they don't like the menu because of their faith then perhaps their faith can get them a job so they are'nt homeless. Screw em', find another shelter!

That wasn't the gist of the thread. The question is: Would it be ethical for a shelter to intentionally serve an all-pork menu for the purpose of excluding jews and muslims?

[Dilloduck]

That wasn't the gist of the thread. The question is: Would it be ethical for a shelter to intentionally serve an all-pork menu for the purpose of excluding jews and muslims?

well---that's what YOU changed it into anyway.

[Evil]

That wasn't the gist of the thread. The question is: Would it be ethical for a shelter to intentionally serve an all-pork menu for the purpose of excluding jews and muslims?

Of course it would be unethical but I don't see that as being the original question either.

[Missileman]

well---that's what YOU changed it into anyway.

The original question was "is serving pork unethical?". I got disagreement when I said it depended on motive, that's why the question has changed. Care to take a shot at it?

[Dilloduck]

The original question was "is serving pork unethical?". I got disagreement when I said it depended on motive, that's why the question has changed. Care to take a shot at it?

I already did----how can giving food away be unethical ?

[Pale Rider]

The original question was "is serving pork unethical?". I got disagreement when I said it depended on motive, that's why the question has changed. Care to take a shot at it?

If they've served pork soup in the past, and it's only become an issue of late with new homeless muslims, then no, it's not unethical.

If someone decided, knowingly, that if they added pork soup to the menu, and hadn't served it prior, the muslims wouldn't eat it, then it's unethical.

Need more explaination?

[Evil]

The original question was "is serving pork unethical?". I got disagreement when I said it depended on motive, that's why the question has changed. Care to take a shot at it?

Is it unethical to serve pork? not at all, if someone does not like the menu they can go elsewhere. And the original question had nothing to with motive, simply provoked the thought of it being handed out to feed the hungry as unethical, and again that is up to the person to choose when seeking a hand out.

[Missileman]

I already did----how can giving food away be unethical ?

You're answering MtnBiker's question, not mine.

[Missileman]

If they've served pork soup in the past, and it's only become an issue of late with new homeless muslims, then no, it's not unethical.

If someone decided, knowingly, that if they added pork soup to the menu, and hadn't served it prior, the muslims wouldn't eat it, then it's unethical.

Need more explaination?

I've said nothing different than this since the beginning of the thread! :dunno:

[Dilloduck]

You're answering MtnBiker's question, not mine.

You're assuming that one has more than pork soup to give to the hungry--what if it's all they have?

[Missileman]

You're assuming that one has more than pork soup to give to the hungry--what if it's all they have?

Having nothing else to offer isn't "a stupid motive".

[Dilloduck]

Having nothing else to offer isn't "a stupid motive".

gotcha--so you are against discrimination when feeding the hungry. :thumb:

[MtnBiker]

Is it unethical to serve pork? not at all, if someone does not like the menu they can go elsewhere. And the original question had nothing to with motive, simply provoked the thought of it being handed out to feed the hungry as unethical, and again that is up to the person to choose when seeking a hand out.

Perfect!!

[Abbey Marie]

This is based on a situation that happened in France, which I posted on USMB a weel or so ago. Not sure why MM is posing it here as hypothetical. Are we waiting for a "ta da!" moment here?

[MtnBiker]

Actually I was the one that asked the orginal question and yes it was inspired from the event in France.

[Abbey Marie]

Actually I was the one that asked the orginal question and yes it was inspired from the event in France.

Thanks for clarifying. I just assumed it was MM.

[Missileman]

Thanks for clarifying. I just assumed it was MM.

Ta Da!

[Abbey Marie]

Ta Da!

Repped you for that!

[manu1959]

Did I say that? If the only motive for serving pork soup is too exclude Jews and Muslims, I'd call that unethical.

what differnce does it make:

A. god does not exist

and

2. sepration of church and state would preclude a govt. funded food program from making any accomodation for any religion

and

III. maybe the have it in for peta vegans?!

[Gaffer]

Yeah it has nothing to do with religion, they are out to make the vegans suffer.

[TheSage]

I bet you'd scream bloody murder if a Muslim-run shelter demanded everyone swear allegiance to Allah before getting fed. Of course a person's religion is by their own choosing and they could eat if they chose to. :rolleyes:


I bet .. I bet... Shut your idiotic trap.

[TheSage]

Did I say that? If the only motive for serving pork soup is too exclude Jews and Muslims, I'd call that unethical.


Yes. You did say that. Are you having trouble understanding your own previous thoughts?

[Missileman]

I bet .. I bet... Shut your idiotic trap.

Yes. You did say that. Are you having trouble understanding your own previous thoughts?

New name...same old boring, juvenile style. Run back outside and play little boy.