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jimnyc

12-12-2016, 04:47 PM

I just read elsewhere that she is a voting elector. A little odd that a career politician has a daughter who is an elector. If she's a cuckoo like Mom, then Clinton will be getting an extra vote. :)

How does one get the privilege of being an elector? And I wonder what the qualifications are, and whether or not conflicts of interest matter? No senator or representative is allowed, naturally. But IMO, family members are more or less the equivalent.

Never mind, reading now as I should have. Both sides choose their own electors, and they can go basically with anyone, outside of those 2 I mentioned. Just seems weird is all, even though both sides get to do the same selecting.

While of course on the up and up - can ya imagine if Donald Trump Jr. was an elector? It would no doubt be added to the fake lists of trying to steal the election!!

OCA

12-12-2016, 04:56 PM

jimnyc

12-12-2016, 05:05 PM

On a side note the electoral college requested and will receive a CIA briefing on Russian election hacking before voting fyi.

Yup, but it ain't gonna make the slightest difference though. Some liberals out there have been hanging onto Dec 20th since the day after the election. Circumstantial BS about Wikileaks stuff - which was 100% true stuff, ain't gonna make a difference. They want to state that all of the stuff was hacked by Russia, the DNC and more, and even Wiki/Assange have already stated that's not where anything came from. It would be cool if he could somehow identify the person/s who got all of the emails to him.

Additionally, both sides have agreed to put together a committee or whatever to try and investigate everything. Still not going to make a difference.

I'm sure there are a lot of giddy liberals out there, seriously believing that this is the Clinton golden ticket, and she still has a chance. She doesn't.

aboutime

12-12-2016, 05:26 PM

Yup, but it ain't gonna make the slightest difference though. Some liberals out there have been hanging onto Dec 20th since the day after the election. Circumstantial BS about Wikileaks stuff - which was 100% true stuff, ain't gonna make a difference. They want to state that all of the stuff was hacked by Russia, the DNC and more, and even Wiki/Assange have already stated that's not where anything came from. It would be cool if he could somehow identify the person/s who got all of the emails to him.

Additionally, both sides have agreed to put together a committee or whatever to try and investigate everything. Still not going to make a difference.

I'm sure there are a lot of giddy liberals out there, seriously believing that this is the Clinton golden ticket, and she still has a chance. She doesn't.
jimnyc: As if it will make any difference?

The Constitution of the United States and Federal law place certain Presidential election responsibilities on State executives and the electors for President and Vice President.
These instructions have been prepared by the National Archives and Records Administration’s Office of the Federal Register under the authority of 3 U.S.C. 6, 11, 12, and 13 to assist the States in performing their duties. In these instructions, the term “Governor” includes the Mayor of the District of Columbia and the term “State” includes the District of Columbia.

Key Electoral College Dates and Events

View all the 2016 Presidential Election Key Dates

November 8, 2016—Election Day:
The voters in each State choose electors to serve in the Electoral College. As soon as election results are final, the States prepare seven original "Certificates of Ascertainment" of the electors chosen, and send one original along with two certified copies to the Archivist of the United States at the Office of the Federal Register.
December 19, 2016—Meeting of Electors:
The electors in each State meet to select the President and Vice President of the United States. The Electors record their votes on six “Certificates of Vote,” which are paired with the six remaining original “Certificates of Ascertainment.” The electors sign, seal and certify the packages of electoral votes and immediately send them to the Federal and State officials listed in these instructions.
December 28, 2016—Deadline for Receipt of Electoral Votes:
The President of the Senate, the Archivist of the United States, and other designated Federal and State officials must have the electoral votes in hand.
January 6, 2017—Counting Electoral Votes in Congress:
The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes (unless Congress passes a law to change the date).

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/roles.html

OCA

12-12-2016, 05:27 PM

aboutime

12-12-2016, 05:33 PM

And if it does?

OCA....GO AHEAD AND ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION! "And if it does?"

jimnyc

12-12-2016, 05:36 PM

And if it does?

Of course they would need earth shattering proof out the wazoo before it would even make a dent in anything. If they have 100% bonafide proof that not only did they hack, but ALSO hacked the actual voting machines - which no one is even stating. This all boils down to the emails again.

But if they had solid proof, then by all means, delay things and get to the bottom of it. But if they had anything even remotely in the same universe that it somehow affected the machines, it would be all over the place.

The only good thing to come out of this is that a bunch more liberals out there will jump on this and get their hopes up. And then when they're angry that it fails, once more I get to laugh. :)

jimnyc

12-12-2016, 05:45 PM

This all boils down to the emails again.

I'm in no way diminishing the potential of hacking, and what it could potentially do. But again, to point out, this all comes back to the emails. Some would love for the contents of those emails to be ignored, and just blame anyone who may have exposed them, and then continue to ignore the contents. IMO, this is just more obfuscation, trying to hide their stupidity, trying to block and hinder Trump before he even takes the oath of office. Undermining him - short of direct proof of his involvement, that's what I believe. ALL we have thus far is actual emails from Hillary, Podesta & perhaps the one who got busted cheating and help steal the primaries from Sanders - Donna Brazile.

Either way, they'll take a peek so that no one can complain down the road that nothing was done, and that will be all. But it won't change anything.

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US intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia (https://www.theguardian.com/world/russia) interfered in last month’s presidential election to boost Donald Trump’s bid for the White House, according to reports.
A secret CIA assessment found that Russian operatives covertly interfered in the election campaign in an attempt to ensure the Republican candidate’s victory, the Washington Post reported, citing officials briefed on the matter.

A separate report in the New York Times said intelligence officials had a “high confidence” that Russia was involved in hacking related to the election.
The claims immediately drew a stinging rebuke from the president-elect’s transition team, which said in a statement: “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.”
According to the Post’s report, officials briefed on the matter were told that intelligence agencies had found that individuals linked to the Russian government had provided WikiLeaks (https://www.theguardian.com/media/wikileaks) with thousands of confidential emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and others.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/cia-concludes-russia-interfered-to-help-trump-win-election-report

OCA

12-12-2016, 06:04 PM

OCA

12-12-2016, 06:06 PM

OCA....GO AHEAD AND ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION! "And if it does?"

Jump in front of cars on the BQE and make loved ones happy.

NightTrain

12-12-2016, 06:08 PM

They don't have to have incontrovertible evidence at all, all it woukd take is for 20 or so electors to say fuck it i'm changing my vote and they don't need any reason at all, they aren't jurors for christsakes and aren't bound by any rules.

Except they're Republicans, put in place by the Republican Party.

So far there's exactly 1 traitor in the woodpile, and he'll pay eventually.

Good luck with all that, and may I suggest more #madampresident goodness from you?

jimnyc

12-12-2016, 06:09 PM

They don't have to have incontrovertible evidence at all, all it woukd take is for 20 or so electors to say fuck it i'm changing my vote and they don't need any reason at all, they aren't jurors for christsakes and aren't bound by any rules.

Yup, any of them are free to vote as they wish. Want to bet ANY amount of YOUR choosing that nothing changes?

#45 President_Trump

OCA

12-12-2016, 06:22 PM

Yup, any of them are free to vote as they wish. Want to bet ANY amount of YOUR choosing that nothing changes?

#45 President_Trump

I think a small amount of votes will change, not enough to change outcome but enough to undermine legitimacy.

aboutime

12-12-2016, 06:43 PM

Jump in front of cars on the BQE and make loved ones happy.

At least now we know you live in one of the five boroughs OCA. Why would any of us do what you would do to your family?

aboutime

12-12-2016, 06:58 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

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Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia
By ERIC LICHTBLAU and STEVEN LEE MYERSOCT. 31, 2016
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President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia after a meeting in October about Ukraine and Syria. Credit Klaus-Dietmar Gabbert/European Pressphoto Agency
WASHINGTON — For much of the summer, the F.B.I. pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

Hillary Clinton’s supporters, angry over what they regard as a lack of scrutiny of Mr. Trump by law enforcement officials, pushed for these investigations. In recent days they have also demanded that James B. Comey, the director of the F.B.I., discuss them publicly, as he did last week when he announced that a new batch of emails possibly connected to Mrs. Clinton had been discovered.

Supporters of Mrs. Clinton have argued that Mr. Trump’s evident affinity for Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — Mr. Trump has called him a great leader and echoed his policies toward NATO, Ukraine and the war in Syria — and the hacks of leading Democrats like John D. Podesta, the chairman of the Clinton campaign, are clear indications that Russia has taken sides in the presidential race and that voters should know what the F.B.I. has found.

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The F.B.I.’s inquiries into Russia’s possible role continue, as does the investigation into the emails involving Mrs. Clinton’s top aide, Huma Abedin, on a computer she shared with her estranged husband, Anthony D. Weiner. Mrs. Clinton’s supporters argue that voters have as much right to know what the F.B.I. has found in Mr. Trump’s case, even if the findings are not yet conclusive.

“You do not hear the director talking about any other investigation he is involved in,” Representative Gregory W. Meeks, Democrat of New York, said after Mr. Comey’s letter to Congress was made public. “Is he investigating the Trump Foundation? Is he looking into the Russians hacking into all of our emails? Is he looking into and deciding what is going on with regards to other allegations of the Trump Organization?”

Mr. Comey would not even confirm the existence of any investigation of Mr. Trump’s aides when asked during an appearance in September before Congress. In the Obama administration’s internal deliberations over identifying the Russians as the source of the hacks, Mr. Comey also argued against doing so and succeeded in keeping the F.B.I.’s imprimatur off the formal findings, a law enforcement official said. His stance was first reported by CNBC.

Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the minority leader, responded angrily on Sunday with a letter accusing the F.B.I. of not being forthcoming about Mr. Trump’s alleged ties with Moscow.

“It has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisers, and the Russian government — a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States, which Trump praises at every opportunity,” Mr. Reid wrote. “The public has a right to know this information.”

F.B.I. officials declined to comment on Monday. Intelligence officials have said in interviews over the last six weeks that apparent connections between some of Mr. Trump’s aides and Moscow originally compelled them to open a broad investigation into possible links between the Russian government and the Republican presidential candidate. Still, they have said that Mr. Trump himself has not become a target. And no evidence has emerged that would link him or anyone else in his business or political circle directly to Russia’s election operations.

At least one part of the investigation has involved Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman for much of the year. Mr. Manafort, a veteran Republican political strategist, has had extensive business ties in Russia and other former Soviet states, especially Ukraine, where he served as an adviser to that country’s ousted president, Viktor F. Yanukovych.

But the focus in that case was on Mr. Manafort’s ties with a kleptocratic government in Ukraine — and whether he had declared the income in the United States — and not necessarily on any Russian influence over Mr. Trump’s campaign, one official said.

In classified sessions in August and September, intelligence officials also briefed congressional leaders on the possibility of financial ties between Russians and people connected to Mr. Trump. They focused particular attention on what cyberexperts said appeared to be a mysterious computer back channel between the Trump Organization and the Alfa Bank, which is one of Russia’s biggest banks and whose owners have longstanding ties to Mr. Putin.

F.B.I. officials spent weeks examining computer data showing an odd stream of activity to a Trump Organization server and Alfa Bank. Computer logs obtained by The New York Times show that two servers at Alfa Bank sent more than 2,700 “look-up” messages — a first step for one system’s computers to talk to another — to a Trump-connected server beginning in the spring. But the F.B.I. ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts.

The most serious part of the F.B.I.’s investigation has focused on the computer hacks that the Obama administration now formally blames on Russia. That investigation also involves numerous officials from the intelligence agencies. Investigators, the officials said, have become increasingly confident, based on the evidence they have uncovered, that Russia’s direct goal is not to support the election of Mr. Trump, as many Democrats have asserted, but rather to disrupt the integrity of the political system and undermine America’s standing in the world more broadly.

The hacking, they said, reflected an intensification of spy-versus-spy operations that never entirely abated after the Cold War but that have become more aggressive in recent years as relations with Mr. Putin’s Russia have soured.

A senior intelligence official, who like the others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a continuing national security investigation, said the Russians had become adept at exploiting computer vulnerabilities created by the relative openness of and reliance on the internet. Election officials in several states have reported what appeared to be cyberintrusions from Russia, and while many doubt that an Election Day hack could alter the outcome of the election, the F.B.I. agencies across the government are on alert for potential disruptions that could wreak havoc with the voting process itself.

“It isn’t about the election,” a second senior official said, referring to the aims of Russia’s interference. “It’s about a threat to democracy.”

The investigation has treated it as a counterintelligence operation as much as a criminal one, though agents are also focusing on whether anyone in the United States was involved. The officials declined to discuss any individual targets of the investigation, even when assured of anonymity.

As has been the case with the investigation into Mrs. Clinton, the F.B.I. has come under intense partisan political pressure — something the bureau’s leaders have long sought to avoid. Supporters of both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump have been equally impassioned in calling for investigations — and even in providing leads for investigators to follow.

Mr. Reid, in a letter to Mr. Comey in August, asserted that Mr. Trump’s campaign “has employed a number of individuals with significant and disturbing ties to the Russia and the Kremlin.” Although Mr. Reid cited no evidence and offered no names explicitly, he clearly referred to one of Mr. Trump’s earlier campaign advisers, Carter Page.

Mr. Page, a former Merrill Lynch banker who founded an investment company in New York, Global Energy Capital, drew attention during the summer for a speech in which he criticized the United States and other Western nations for a “hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption and regime change” in Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union.

Mr. Page responded with his own letter to Mr. Comey, denying wrongdoing and calling Mr. Reid’s accusations “a witch hunt.” In an interview, he said that he had never been contacted by the F.B.I. and that the accusations were baseless and purely partisan because of his policy views on Russia. “These people really seem to be grasping at straws,” he said.

Democrats have also accused another Republican strategist and Trump confidant, Roger Stone, of being a conduit between the Russian hackers and WikiLeaks, which has published the emails of the Democratic National Committee and Mr. Podesta, the Clinton campaign manager. Mr. Stone boasted of having contacts with the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, and appeared to predict the hacking of Mr. Podesta’s account, though he later denied having any prior knowledge.

Mr. Stone derided the accusations and those raised by Michael J. Morell, a former C.I.A. director and a Clinton supporter, who has called Mr. Trump “an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.” In an article on the conservative news site Breitbart, Mr. Stone denied having links to Russians and called the accusations “the new McCarthyism.”

Elessar

12-12-2016, 07:53 PM

It boils down to the point that the liberal's Golden Carpet ride has been grounded.

Now they are grasping for golden straws.

Good Gawd....it is OVER, libs! Over!

Bilgerat

12-12-2016, 11:09 PM

They don't have to have incontrovertible evidence at all, all it woukd take is for 20 or so electors to say fuck it i'm changing my vote and they don't need any reason at all, they aren't jurors for christsakes and aren't bound by any rules.

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aboutime

12-13-2016, 06:19 PM

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The all seem to be suffering from an STD called Severely Tuckered Democrat Syndrome.