PizzaGate Real Or "Fake"?

[revelarts]

FYI


---Pizzagate is the fall out from research into John Posedata verified wiki leaked emails that seem to indicate pedophilla parties/ring as well as occult rituals.---
(people searched the wikileaked emails terms "Pizza" "hotdog" "pasta" "molech"(the occult god))
below are links to a NYT article that "debunks" pizza gate and a point by point rebuttal.
and a one very informative youtube video.


Fake News Onslaught Targets Pizzeria as Nest of Child-Trafficking
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/te...site.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/technology/fact-check-this-pizzeria-is-not-a-child-trafficking-site.html?_r=0)

BLOW BY BLOW DISECTION OF NY TIMES ARTICLE ON PIZZAGATE
https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@son-o...e-on-pizzagate (https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@son-of-satire/blow-by-blow-disection-of-ny-times-article-on-pizzagate)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OP--ZXOjc

[jimnyc]

I don't know, kinda crazy. I saw the length of the video and honestly didn't watch it. But I did read the links earlier. While my first instinct is to 'jaw drop' and be like WTF? But then as read, and am fair about leaving out my hatred for Hillary, and her direct friends :) - I still see this is a conspiracy theory. I'm like Johnny 5, I need input!! Well, facts anyway. All sounds like a hit piece.

Sometimes you also see things like this and want it to be true, so that they get into trouble or whatever. But not this one, not with kids involved. I hope to you know who that this is in fact just crap. And if not, I hope they all line up to visit 'Mr. Heat Miser', and soon.

[revelarts]

Can't say for sure but it sure stinks pretty bad from what i've seen so far.

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2SNIneXcAAiV_3?format=webp&name=small

https://nypost.com/2023/07/21/ex-abc-news-reporter-james-gordon-meek-faces-minimum-5-years-in-child-porn-case/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

https://valuetainment.com/former-abc-news-reporter-who-debunked-pizzagate-guilty-of-possessing-child-porn/

https://rumble.com/v20at42-pizzagate-only-investigation-ever.html

nothing to see here

[AHZ]

I don't know, kinda crazy. I saw the length of the video and honestly didn't watch it. But I did read the links earlier. While my first instinct is to 'jaw drop' and be like WTF? But then as read, and am fair about leaving out my hatred for Hillary, and her direct friends :) - I still see this is a conspiracy theory. I'm like Johnny 5, I need input!! Well, facts anyway. All sounds like a hit piece.

Sometimes you also see things like this and want it to be true, so that they get into trouble or whatever. But not this one, not with kids involved. I hope to you know who that this is in fact just crap. And if not, I hope they all line up to visit 'Mr. Heat Miser', and soon.


comet ping pong media matters john podesta david brock.

it's all true.

[fj1200]

Did Hillary Clinton and/or John Podesta lead a child abuse ring?

[AHZ]

Did Hillary Clinton and/or John Podesta lead a child abuse ring?


On a friday?

[hjmick]

Fake. Fake as fuck.

[revelarts]

Did Hillary Clinton and/or John Podesta lead a child abuse ring?


With Epstein killed we may never know.

Unless you really think the FBI is going all out to find, expose & prosecute all of his pedo biz associates?

[fj1200]

With Epstein killed we may never know.

Unless you really think the FBI is going all out to find, expose & prosecute all of his pedo biz associates?

Do you think it's plausible?

[AHZ]

Fake. Fake as fuck.


14347

[revelarts]

Do you think it's plausible?

that leaders of a nation may be involved in p3dophila?
like Rome or something?

How many times was Bill Clinton on the "LOLITA EXPRESS"?
How many times has Clinton been exposed in other types of sexual abuse... including rape.

Running or participating in such a thing is not a stretch... at all.

If you found out that your city councilman neighbor had been friends with and taking trips with a known p3do. went to his vacation home known for p3do activity? Had a string of rape charges and sexual assault charges, sex with interns exposed. and his wife never left him.

would you think it plausible that they might actually be involved in the running of such a thing?
would you send your daughter to their summer camp?

[fj1200]

that leaders of a nation may be involved in p3dophila?
like Rome or something?

How many times was Bill Clinton on the "LOLITA EXPRESS"?
How many times has Clinton been exposed in other types sexual abuse... including rape.

Running or participating in such a thing is not a stretch... at all.

If you found out that your city councilman neighbor had been friends with and taking trips with a known p3do. went to his vacation home known for p3do activity? Had a string of rape charges and sexual assault charges, sex with interns exposed. and his wife never left him.

would you think it plausible that they might actually be involved in the running of such a thing?
would you send your daughter to their summer camp?

She's not guilty because others are guilty.

[revelarts]

She's not guilty because others are guilty.
you asked if i thought it was plausible.

[AHZ]

She's not guilty because others are guilty.

rico.

[fj1200]

you asked if i thought it was plausible.

And you answered. My comment is still relevant.

[fj1200]

rico.

You don't need RICO if she's running it. :slap:

[AHZ]

You don't need RICO if she's running it. :slap:
still a useful toolbox in the arsenal of justice.

[SassyLady]

Do you think it's plausible?

Yes.

[fj1200]

Yes.

All the while being FLOTUS, Senator, Candidate, etc. she's taking time out to run a child abuse ring? Questionable.

[revelarts]

All the while being FLOTUS, Senator, Candidate, etc. she's taking time out to run a child abuse ring? Questionable.

you forget... woman can multitask better than men.

[fj1200]

you forget... woman can multitask better than men.

Ayuh! Hang yer hat on that one.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2SNIneXcAAiV_3?format=webp&name=small

https://nypost.com/2023/07/21/ex-abc-news-reporter-james-gordon-meek-faces-minimum-5-years-in-child-porn-case/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

https://valuetainment.com/former-abc-news-reporter-who-debunked-pizzagate-guilty-of-possessing-child-porn/

https://rumble.com/v20at42-pizzagate-only-investigation-ever.html

nothing to see here

Two choices for people like this either, 25 years to life in prison or else taken out back and shot. Molesting children is totally vile, there is no valid excuse.. --Tyr

[SassyLady]

All the while being FLOTUS, Senator, Candidate, etc. she's taking time out to run a child abuse ring? Questionable.
Do you think she actually did the dirty work of Russiagate or paid/ blackmailed others to get it done? Yep. I think she has it in her to oversee evil shit.

[fj1200]

Do you think she actually did the dirty work of Russiagate or paid/ blackmailed others to get it done? Yep. I think she has it in her to oversee evil shit.

She sucks. But that wasn't the question. Running a child abuse ring doesn't advance her agenda.

[AHZ]

Ayuh! Hang yer hat on that one.

it's better than your "too busy" argument.

:dance:

[fj1200]

it's better than your "too busy" argument.

:dance:

I'd say that they're close to equal. With the slight edge to mine of course. ;) It's the other evidence, or lack thereof, which puts the remainder of the argument toward my side.

[AHZ]

I'd say that they're close to equal. With the slight edge to mine of course. ;) It's the other evidence, or lack thereof, which puts the remainder of the argument toward my side.


of course, you would say that.:laugh2:

[fj1200]

of course, you would say that.:laugh2:

Because in so many ways and instances it's supported by actual evidence.

[SassyLady]

She sucks. But that wasn't the question. Running a child abuse ring doesn't advance her agenda.
No .. it just gives her an opportunity to blackmail powerful people. Which furthers her agenda. She didn't do this in a vacuum.

[AHZ]

No .. it just gives her an opportunity to blackmail powerful people. Which furthers her agenda. She didn't do this in a vacuum.


yes. procuring kompromat eats up every weekend.

[revelarts]

She sucks. But that wasn't the question. Running a child abuse ring doesn't advance her agenda.

Power is the agenda.
And having video tapes of govt officials and biz leaders w prostitutes & abusing children certainly would be something she could use to advance her agenda.
The FBI, CIA, Russians, Chinese, Mafia etc have been using the hellish crimes for the whole 20th century.

[AHZ]

Power is the agenda.
And having video tapes of govt officials and biz leaders w prostitutes & abusing children certainly would be something she could use to advance her agenda.
The FBI, CIA, Russians, Chinese, Mafia etc have been using the hellish crimes for the whole 20th century.


people are openly compromising themselves. this portends poorly.

now that a whole generation of teachers is caught grooming children officially through schools, what can they be made to do now?

[fj1200]

No .. it just gives her an opportunity to blackmail powerful people. Which furthers her agenda. She didn't do this in a vacuum.


Power is the agenda.
And having video tapes of govt officials and biz leaders w prostitutes & abusing children certainly would be something she could use to advance her agenda.
The FBI, CIA, Russians, Chinese, Mafia etc have been using the hellish crimes for the whole 20th century.

That took a lot of effort to draw out. Now you can work on actual evidence.

[AHZ]

That took a lot of effort to draw out. Now you can work on actual evidence.
did you hear of the epstein case? ghislaine maxwell? lolita express.. epsteins connection to billionaires and the deep state?

is that all fake news?

[fj1200]

did you hear of the epstein case? ghislaine maxwell? lolita express.. epsteins connection to billionaires and the deep state?

is that all fake news?

Usually this leads to... "Evidence? But, but, (because something unrelated)???"

[AHZ]

Usually this leads to... "Evidence? But, but, (because something unrelated)???"


do you believe it's all fake news at this point?


which part do you think is most unlikely or false?

were there trials for ghislaine recently? we could start there.

did that trial happen?

[fj1200]

^Point proven.

[AHZ]

^Point proven.


what point was proven?

are you gonna have kathianne bail you out with authoritarianism again?

[hjmick]

All the while being FLOTUS, Senator, Candidate, etc. she's taking time out to run a child abuse ring? Questionable.


And no one let it slip, there were no leaks. All those people who would have to be involved, and not a single one of them talked. not a single one got caught with evidence on their phone or computer and cut a deal. All those people...


They must be the same people who pulled off 9/11...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F6f6fe e7ea4ec36255ce6a2d54a0a88db%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3 D13142832&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=e88234131adfe8dae620c29eb651b03176c7d0f75f7015 7552cac7ea411060c3&ipo=images

[AHZ]

And no one let it slip, there were no leaks. All those people who would have to be involved, and not a single one of them talked. not a single one got caught with evidence on their phone or computer and cut a deal. All those people...


They must be the same people who pulled off 9/11...


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F6f6fe e7ea4ec36255ce6a2d54a0a88db%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3 D13142832&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=e88234131adfe8dae620c29eb651b03176c7d0f75f7015 7552cac7ea411060c3&ipo=images
why is gislaine maxwell in prison?

[revelarts]

That took a lot of effort to draw out. Now you can work on actual evidence.

ok, draw out?
None of us started a line about Clinton being a leader of a pedophile ring, you started that.
You asked about it, then ask if it was plausible.
You're the one that's made the assertions and asked for possible reasons why, how?
And other details.

We gave them to you.
I never accused her of it, YOU asked how it could be possible.

The fact is, it's VERY possible.

So If you want to draw out an answer that satisfies your caricature, ask folks hypotheticals that lead there. You know, like a sketchy cop who already thinks they have a perp.

But If you want to know what I think Hillary has or has not done, ask me.
Rather than assume I think she's leading a pedophile ring.
I'm not really shy about giving my opinions FJ.

As far as giving you evidence goes.
Well I've found that's been a waste of time because you don't watch videos, listen to audio or read very deeply.
You've got a certain POV of how the world works and showing you 4+4+1=9 is not enough. Seems the MSM, or a court or a respected panel of consensus of experts has to say it before you'll make the connection on some issues. And even after making a correction you'll still say that their/your "mistake" was an innocent/small one and "no one could have known!". When the same info had been presented by others long ago but you -for no good reason- simply did not think it was credible. "real evidence".
You say "no one could have known!". Then you somehow act like that's an honest position.

if you'd taken the info presented months or years earlier seriously, watched, listened or read it with objective eyes you could have known.

[fj1200]

ha, draw out?
None of us started a line about Clinton being a leader of a pedophile ring, you started that.
You asked about it, then ask if it was plausible.
You're the one that's made the assertions and asked for possible reasons why, how?
And other details.

We gave them to you.
I never accused her of it, YOU asked how it could be possible.

The fact is, it's VERY possible.

So If you want to draw out an answer that satisfies your caricature, ask folks hypotheticals that lead there. You know, like a sketchy cop who already thinks they have a perp.

But If you want to know what I think Hillary has or has not done, ask me.
Rather than assume I think she's leading a pedophile ring.
I'm not really shy about giving my opinions FJ.

As far as giving you evidence goes.
Well I've found that's been a waste of time because you don't watch videos, listen to audio or read very deeply.
You've got a certain POV of how the world works and showing you 4+4+1=9 is not enough. Seems the MSM, or a court or a respected panel of consensus of experts has to say it before you'll make the connection on some issues. And even after making a correction you'll still say that their/your "mistake" was an innocent/small one and "no one could have known!". When the same info had been presented by others long ago but you -for no good reason- simply did not think it was credible. "real evidence".
You say "no one could have known!". Then you somehow act like that's an honest position.

if you'd taken the info presented months or years earlier seriously, watched, listened or read it with objective eyes you could have known.

From a link in the OP:


"All of them alleged something that made Mr. Alefantis’s jaw drop: that Comet Ping Pong was the home base of a child abuse ring led by Hillary Clinton and her campaign chief, John D. Podesta."

I was interested in who thought it likely that they would be running child abuse rings out of a small-time pizza shop. Answer received. Now the problem is evidence which is exceedingly thin in this case. I read enough links presented and based on the quality of what I read I discount them rather quickly. Just like certain Blackrock stories where the evidence is not as presented. The case here as well.

[AHZ]

From a link in the OP:



I was interested in who thought it likely that they would be running child abuse rings out of a small-time pizza shop. Answer received. Now the problem is evidence which is exceedingly thin in this case. I read enough links presented and based on the quality of what I read I discount them rather quickly. Just like certain Blackrock stories where the evidence is not as presented. The case here as well.


david brock and james alefantis

follow the trail of smut.

[revelarts]

From a link in the OP:



I was interested in who thought it likely that they would be running child abuse rings out of a small-time pizza shop. Answer received. Now the problem is evidence which is exceedingly thin in this case. I read enough links presented and based on the quality of what I read I discount them rather quickly. Just like certain Blackrock stories where the evidence is not as presented. The case here as well.

Seems again that you didn't read deeply enough


...STRAW-MAN ARGUMENT: Kang (NYT) claims (no sources sited) that online investigators allege that the child abuse ring is "led by Hillary Clinton and John D. Podesta". I've seen hundreds of threads on reddit and 4/8chan, and I've seen very few people push the argument, that HRC and John Podesta are the "leaders" of anything. The vast majority of speculation so far has asserted that HRC and the Podestas are INVOLVED in a child abuse ring. This may seem like quibbling over semantics but to the normal NYT reader, "led by" is a far more extreme - and unbelievable - allegation than "involved in". Right off the bat, Kang insinuates without any evidence or quotes that the entire open-source investigation sound like a mob of hyperbolic, delusional conspiracy theorists....

It's odd that you jump to false conclusions about our opinions but you refuse to make connections or take the next 1 or 2 steps to connect dots laid out for you about issues dealing with people in poltics media or biz.

[Kathianne]

david brock and james alefantis

follow the trail of smut.
You're not getting how this works. We don't do your work to persuade us, you do. It means you UNDERSTAND what you present and give links to back up your assertions.

Otherwise someone is likely to make fun of you and say, 'fact.'

[AHZ]

You're not getting how this works. We don't do your work to persuade us, you do. It means you UNDERSTAND what you present and give links to back up your assertions.

Otherwise someone is likely to make fun of you and say, 'fact.'


I'm trying to ascertain the level of educaton necessary by trying to get some gauge as to how far you people are from reality.

is GIslaine maxwell in jail?

[revelarts]

...
I was interested in who thought it likely that they would be running child abuse rings out of a small-time pizza shop. Answer received. ...l.

Also, it's odd that i've posted DOZENS of quotes of globalist but somehow they don't really mean what they say.
Some of their words mean "free trade" to you.
And I posted some quotes and you even denied they said it... until shown otherwise.

But when we talk about your hypotheticals based on NYT accusations "Answer received".
How does that work?
Why not "answer received" with globalist Words, Docs & Text and 50+ years of actions.

[Kathianne]

I'm trying to ascertain the level of educaton necessary by trying to get some gauge as to how far you people are from reality.

is GIslaine maxwell in jail?

Irrelevant. See Gunny post. You are repeatedly derailing. Fact.

[AHZ]

Also, it's odd that i've posted DOZENS of quotes of globalist but somehow they don't really mean what they say.
Some of their words mean "free trade" to you.
And I posted some quotes and you even denied they said it... until shown otherwise.

But when we talk about your hypotheticals based on NYT accusations "Answer received".
How does that work?
Why not "answer received" with globalist Words, Docs & Text and 50+ years of actions.


nice scorched earth policy.....:laugh2:

[AHZ]

Irrelevant. See Gunny post. You are repeatedly derailing. Fact.
Im not derailing.

you just keep making the determination yourself that all my points are irrelevant.

that's not modding, that's abusing mod powers.

look into the difference, brumhilda.

[Kathianne]

Im not derailing.

you just keep making the determination yourself that all my points are irrelevant.

that's not modding, that's abusing mod powers.

look into the difference, brumhilda.

You need to read the rules, you've now crossed from thread banned reasons to whole site. You need to read about mods. Warning.

[AHZ]

You need to read the rules, you've now crossed from thread banned reasons to whole site. You need to read about mods. Warning.
i seriously doubt it.

why don't you take it down a notch and ungunch your panties.

[Kathianne]

i seriously doubt it.

why don't you take it down a notch and ungunch your panties.

See you tomorrow.

[fj1200]

david brock and james alefantis

follow the trail of smut.

Name dropping is not evidence.


Seems again that you didn't read deeply enough

It's odd that you jump to false conclusions about our opinions but you refuse to make connections or take the next 1 or 2 steps to connect dots laid out for you about issues dealing with people in poltics media or biz.

I know what I quoted and I know that I didn't ask anyone in particular that question. There is no evidence to make those connections.

[fj1200]

Also, it's odd that i've posted DOZENS of quotes of globalist but somehow they don't really mean what they say.
Some of their words mean "free trade" to you.
And I posted some quotes and you even denied they said it... until shown otherwise.

But when we talk about your hypotheticals based on NYT accusations "Answer received".
How does that work?
Why not "answer received" with globalist Words, Docs & Text and 50+ years of actions.

The answer was received when an answer was given; I didn't put that answer in anyone's keyboard. There could have been many answers that I might have agreed with but also many that I couldn't. Thinking that she's running a child abuse ring out of a two-bit restaurant is completely different than thinking she's a horrible person.

And now to the globalists for some reason. I think you take out of context the quotes of some and you misunderstand the intent of the quotes of some. I don't recall denying anything that anybody has said but I could be mistaken. But that's the point of the "globalist" discussion right? Try to understand when/if/why/who/etc of it all?

[AHZ]

The answer was received when an answer was given; I didn't put that answer in anyone's keyboard. There could have been many answers that I might have agreed with but also many that I couldn't. Thinking that she's running a child abuse ring out of a two-bit restaurant is completely different than thinking she's a horrible person.

And now to the globalists for some reason. I think you take out of context the quotes of some and you misunderstand the intent of the quotes of some. I don't recall denying anything that anybody has said but I could be mistaken. But that's the point of the "globalist" discussion right? Try to understand when/if/why/who/etc of it all?


what if she's not running it, but just goes to events?

would you agree to that?

[fj1200]

what if she's not running it, but just goes to events?

would you agree to that?

:confused: Would I agree that she goes to child abuse events? Provide evidence.

[AHZ]

:confused: Would I agree that she goes to child abuse events? Provide evidence.
im saying if she is not the organizer but an attendee, she still has time to pursue other things.

[fj1200]

im saying if she is not the organizer but an attendee, she still has time to pursue other things.

Whatever.

[AHZ]

Whatever.


Oh, i thought you disbelieved the entire thing due to imagined scheduling conflicts.


maybe not.

carry on.

[fj1200]

Oh, i thought you disbelieved the entire thing due to imagined scheduling conflicts.


maybe not.

carry on.

That's what you're not good at. Thinking.

[AHZ]

That's what you're not good at. Thinking.
I disagree with that conclusion as well.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

people are openly compromising themselves. this portends poorly.

now that a whole generation of teachers is caught grooming children officially through schools, what can they be made to do now?
Entire world is evil and wicked. Those in that group do---anything thing--- to advance their personal and political agenda.
And they laugh at us that have Christian principles and a sense of honor... That is why I call them vermin... as it decribes them fairly well. --Tyr

[AHZ]

Entire world is evil and wicked. Those in that group do---anything thing--- to advance their personal and political agenda.
And they laugh at us that have Christian principles and a sense of honor... That is why I call them vermin... as it decribes them fairly well. --Tyr


there are slivers of good.

one candle brightens up an entire dark room.

and we have jesus and a spiritual life that is the greater prize.

King James Bible (https://biblehub.com/kjv/mark/8.htm)
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

[SassyLady]

Usually this leads to... "Evidence? But, but, (because something unrelated)???"

It's not unrelated. It's sex trafficking. Whether it's pizzagate or Epstien. The evidence is there ... it just hasn't been released. Why? Perhaps it implicates powerful people .. like the Clintons?

[fj1200]

It's not unrelated. It's sex trafficking. Whether it's pizzagate or Epstien. The evidence is there ... it just hasn't been released. Why? Perhaps it implicates powerful people .. like the Clintons?

This thread is about pizzagate.

[AHZ]

Entire world is evil and wicked. Those in that group do---anything thing--- to advance their personal and political agenda.
And they laugh at us that have Christian principles and a sense of honor... That is why I call them vermin... as it decribes them fairly well. --Tyr


This thread is about pizzagate.


of course, reasonable people allow discussions to be broadened or focused, depending on the proclivities of the participants.

saying it's off topic is quite a stretch, stretchy.

[SassyLady]

This thread is about pizzagate.
There was a documentary about it. That's the one that the pervert that was just arrested supposedly debunked. It premiered on Netflix in 2016. Good luck finding it now.

BTW ... both pizzagate and epstiens island were considered to be BS. Look where Epstien is now.

Oh .. did you hear the latest? Obama fantasizes about other men .. so says his biographer.

[AHZ]

There was a documentary about it. That's the one that the pervert that was just arrested supposedly debunked. It premiered on Netflix in 2016. Good luck finding it now.

BTW ... both pizzagate and epstiens island were considered to be BS. Look where Epstien is now.

Oh .. did you hear the latest? Obama fantasizes about other men .. so says his biographer.


And michelle is a man!

https://i.imgflip.com/3hlac7.jpg

[fj1200]

of course, reasonable people allow discussions to be broadened or focused, depending on the proclivities of the participants.

saying it's off topic is quite a stretch, stretchy.


There was a documentary about it. That's the one that the pervert that was just arrested supposedly debunked. It premiered on Netflix in 2016. Good luck finding it now.

BTW ... both pizzagate and epstiens island were considered to be BS. Look where Epstien is now.

Oh .. did you hear the latest? Obama fantasizes about other men .. so says his biographer.

When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring... epstein is off topic. When the question is a pizza joint being the center for a child abuse ring... the existence of child trafficking exists is off topic. Saying "Epstein!!!" is not evidence of hrc and her alleged wrongdoing.

[SassyLady]

When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring... epstein is off topic. When the question is a pizza joint being the center for a child abuse ring... the existence of child trafficking exists is off topic. Saying "Epstein!!!" is not evidence of hrc and her alleged wrongdoing.

Says who? You? Since when is Epstein off topic any time child trafficking is discussed?

Pizzagate is about child trafficking. You've managed to narrow it down to just Hilary. She wasn't the only one involved. And how do you know Epstien wasnt involved in pizzagate? You don't!

Me thinks though dost protest too much.

[fj1200]

Says who? You? Since when is Epstein off topic any time child trafficking is discussed? Pizzagate is about child trafficking. You've managed to narrow it down to just Hilary. She wasn't the only one involved. And how do you know Epstien wasnt involved in pizzagate? You don't! Me thinks though dost protest too much.

It's the only question that I particularly cared about. And I thought it so ridiculous that no one would actually think she was running a child abuse ring. I sure thought wrong. How about you prove the point of this thread without claiming that the guilt of epstein proves the guilt of hrc at a pizza joint. Or is circumstantial the level at which these types of things operate at?

[AHZ]

Says who? You? Since when is Epstein off topic any time child trafficking is discussed?

Pizzagate is about child trafficking. You've managed to narrow it down to just Hilary. She wasn't the only one involved. And how do you know Epstien wasnt involved in pizzagate? You don't!

Me thinks though dost protest too much.


:clap:

[revelarts]

When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring... epstein is off topic. When the question is a pizza joint being the center for a child abuse ring... the existence of child trafficking exists is off topic. Saying "Epstein!!!" is not evidence of hrc and her alleged wrongdoing.


"When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring."


When YOUR ONLY question is you mean.
Again.
from the links in the 1st post
http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by LINK from 1st post...
STRAW-MAN ARGUMENT: Kang (NYT) claims (no sources sited) that online investigators allege that the child abuse ring is "led by Hillary Clinton and John D. Podesta". I've seen hundreds of threads on reddit and 4/8chan, and I've seen very few people push the argument, that HRC and John Podesta are the "leaders" of anything. The vast majority of speculation so far has asserted that HRC and the Podestas are INVOLVED in a child abuse ring. This may seem like quibbling over semantics but to the normal NYT reader, "led by" is a far more extreme - and unbelievable - allegation than "involved in". Right off the bat, Kang insinuates without any evidence or quotes that the entire open-source investigation sound like a mob of hyperbolic, delusional conspiracy theorists....

Somehow you're fixated on the belief that some here think that HRC RUNS a p3do ring as a side job.
when i think a few of us here have said repeatedly now that we think it's a very real possibility that she's been INVOLVED with a P3do ring.

Concerning Epstein, Bill Clinton & HRC worked with Epstein on some of their funding projects and Bill took 50+ rides on Epstein's -child abuse filmed named- plane the Lolita express to Epstein's child abuse island (some without Secret service) which connects HRC by the hip directly to Epstein, his p3do ring by likely involvement ...in use and/or cover up... or more.

No honest person can off handedly ASSUME she's completely detached from Epstein's ring.
or that Epstein's ring is somewhere off in the ether far far away from her.
be real.

[AHZ]

"When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring."


When YOUR ONLY question is you mean.
Again.
from the links in the 1st post
http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by LINK from 1st post...
STRAW-MAN ARGUMENT: Kang (NYT) claims (no sources sited) that online investigators allege that the child abuse ring is "led by Hillary Clinton and John D. Podesta". I've seen hundreds of threads on reddit and 4/8chan, and I've seen very few people push the argument, that HRC and John Podesta are the "leaders" of anything. The vast majority of speculation so far has asserted that HRC and the Podestas are INVOLVED in a child abuse ring. This may seem like quibbling over semantics but to the normal NYT reader, "led by" is a far more extreme - and unbelievable - allegation than "involved in". Right off the bat, Kang insinuates without any evidence or quotes that the entire open-source investigation sound like a mob of hyperbolic, delusional conspiracy theorists....

Somehow you're fixated on the belief that some here think that HRC RUNS a p3do ring as a side job.
when i think a few of us here have said repeatedly now that we think it's a very real possibility that she's been INVOLVED with a P3do ring.

Concerning Epstein, Bill Clinton & HRC worked with Epstein on some of their funding projects and Bill took 50+ rides on Epstein's -child abuse filmed named- plane the Lolita express to Epstein's child abuse island (some without Secret service) which connects HRC by the hip directly to Epstein, his p3do ring by likely involvement ...in use and/or cover up... or more.

No honest person can off handedly ASSUME she's completely detached from Epstein's ring.
or that Epstein's ring is somewhere off in the ether far far away from her.
be real.


this is the same thing fact checking orgs do. they narrow the question spuriously and then dispute the straw man they created.

[fj1200]

"When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring."


When YOUR ONLY question is you mean.
Again.


Again, that was the question I cared about. is hrc a good person? No. Is epstein and child trafficking evil? Undoubtedly. Am I in for the proof of whatever you allege? Sure thing but Pizzagate is not real because Epstein existed.

[fj1200]

this is the same thing fact checking orgs do. they narrow the question spuriously and then dispute the straw man they created.

Not really. But you do make it easy for them to discredit the whole when the narrow questions are so laughably stupid.

[AHZ]

Again, that was the question I cared about. is hrc a good person? No. Is epstein and child trafficking evil? Undoubtedly. Am I in for the proof of whatever you allege? Sure thing but Pizzagate is not real because Epstein existed.


that doesn't mean the discussion is out of bounds or wrong in some way.

your myopia is not the overton window.

[fj1200]

that doesn't mean the discussion is out of bounds or wrong in some way.

your myopia is not the overton window.

You should pay closer attention.


Am I in for the proof of whatever you allege? Sure thing ...

You'd see that I'm posts ahead of you.

[AHZ]

You should pay closer attention.



You'd see that I'm posts ahead of you.


so you're a proof only kind of guy. I get it.

but discussions often broaden to all sorts of things.

stop trying to get the thread shut down with allegations of "off topic".

that's weak sauce.

you're not convinced. noted.

[fj1200]

so you're a proof only kind of guy. I get it.

but discussions often broaden to all sorts of things.

stop trying to get the thread shut down with allegations of "off topic".

that's weak sauce.

you're not convinced. noted.

I already know that you have issues with understanding the words that other posters type. If you did have rudimentary comprehension abilities you would note that I have zero problem with tangential discussions but when you tell me that X is evidence of B then that's where things break down. "hrc runs child abuse rings because epstein" and "pizzagate is factual because lolita flights" are intellectually dishonest positions to take. You tend to take those dishonest positions quite often.

[AHZ]

I already know that you have issues with understanding the words that other posters type. If you did have rudimentary comprehension abilities you would note that I have zero problem with tangential discussions but when you tell me that X is evidence of B then that's where things break down. "hrc runs child abuse rings because epstein" and "pizzagate is factual because lolita flights" are intellectually dishonest positions to take. You tend to take those dishonest positions quite often.



are you familiar with blackmail? do you think it ever happens?

[AHZ]

I already know that you have issues with understanding the words that other posters type. If you did have rudimentary comprehension abilities you would note that I have zero problem with tangential discussions but when you tell me that X is evidence of B then that's where things break down. "hrc runs child abuse rings because epstein" and "pizzagate is factual because lolita flights" are intellectually dishonest positions to take. You tend to take those dishonest positions quite often.

hrc runs child abuse rings to obtain compromising material to use to blackmail others and maintain control.

and because she's sadistic.

you got the arguments wrong.

[fj1200]

are you familiar with blackmail? do you think it ever happens?

Evidence. Are you familiar with the concept?


hrc runs child abuse rings to obtain compromising material to use to blackmail others and maintain control.

and because she's sadistic.

you got the arguments wrong.

Not really. I'm right where I should be.

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F28kMFxWEAAEjXV?format=webp&name=medium

[revelarts]

John McCain's wife when asked about Epstein:
"We all knew what he was doing...but we had no one that would... um legally aspect.. that would go after him... it's like they were afraid of him..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QENiaUaoJo


"We all knew"
But somehow no one did anything... but work with him to get funds and fly to his island and go to his apartment.

............


“I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone.”
— Alexander Acosta, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida

[revelarts]

...

The evolution of the Epstein-Clinton relationship
Even before Forester de Rothschild’s 1995 meeting with Clinton, Epstein was already an established Clinton donor. Records obtained by the Daily Beast revealed that Epstein had donated $10,000 to the White House Historical Association and attended a Clinton donor reception alongside Ghislaine Maxwell as early as 1993.

The Daily Beast suggests that Bill Clinton’s long-time friend from his college days, A. Paul Prosperi, was the facilitator of that early relationship, as Prosperi had a decades-long relationship with Epstein and even visited Epstein at least 20 times while he was in jail in 2008. Prosperi was intimately involved with the 1993 fundraiser for the White House Historical Association noted above.

The relationship between Epstein and Clinton would continue well after Clinton left office in 2001, a fact well-documented by Bill Clinton’s now-infamous flights on Epstein’s (recently sold) private jet — often referred to as the “Lolita Express.” Clinton flew on the Lolita Express no less than 26 times in the early 2000s according to flight logs. On some of those flights, Clinton was accompanied by his Secret Service detail but he was unaccompanied on other flights.

Arguably the most infamous flight taken by Clinton on Epstein’s jet was a lengthy trip to Africa, where actor Kevin Spacey, who has also been accused of raping minors; Ghislaine Maxwell; and Ron Burkle, a billionaire friend of Clinton’s who has been accused of soliciting the services of “super-high-end call girls,” were also present. Clinton specifically requested that Epstein make his jet available for the trip well in advance, with Doug Band as the intermediary. President Donald Trump, also a friend of Epstein, is said to have flown on the plane but appears only once on flight logs.

In addition to flights, an Epstein-run foundation gave $25,000 to the Clinton Foundation according to the 2006 filing tax return of Epstein’s former charity, the C.O.U.Q. Foundation. Notably, Epstein’s lawyers, Alan Dershowitz among them, claimed in 2007 that Epstein had been “part of the original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative, which is described as a project ‘bringing together a community of global leaders to devise and implement innovative solutions to some of the world’s most pressing challenges.’”

Before the associations between Epstein and the Clinton White House in the early 1990s were made public, Ghislaine Maxwell was thought to have been the bridge between Epstein and the Clinton family because of her close relationship to the family. However, the close relationship between Maxwell and the Clintons appears to have developed in the 2000s, with Politico reporting that it began after Bill Clinton left office. Clinton associate Doug Band was also reportedly friendly to Maxwell, appearing at an exclusive dinner party she hosted at her residence in New York in 2005. Maxwell later became particularly close to Chelsea Clinton, vacationing with Chelsea in 2009 and attending her wedding a year later. Maxwell was also associated with the Clinton Global Initiative at least up until 2013.

Other close Clinton associates and officials in the early 1990s also had notable relationships with Jeffrey Epstein, including Mark Middleton, who was a special assistant to Clinton Chief of Staff Mack McClarty beginning in 1993, and met with Epstein on at least three occasions in the White House during the early Clinton years. In addition, White House social secretary under Clinton, Ann Stock, appears in Epstein’s “little black book” as does Doug Band, once referred to by New York Magazine as “Bill Clinton’s bag carrier, body man, fixer, and all-purpose gatekeeper.” Band also appears several times in the flight logs of Epstein’s private jet....

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2019/08/investigative-series/from-spook-air-to-the-lolita-express-the-genesis-and-evolution-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-relationship/
.


https://mediaproxy.snopes.com/width/1200/https://media.snopes.com/2022/04/ghislaine-maxwell-chelsea-clinton-wedding.jpg



But no one should even consider that the Clintons are connected to or had anything to do with sex traffixing of minors.

[fj1200]

In a thread about pizzagate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory) there's not a lot of discussion about pizzagate.

[AHZ]

In a thread about pizzagate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory) there's not a lot of discussion about pizzagate.


that's right. artificially narrow the discussion and then be a yutz about it.

you're doing great.

[fj1200]

that's right. artificially narrow the discussion and then be a yutz about it.

you're doing great.

Point out where I artificially narrowed the title of this thread.

[AHZ]

Point out where I artificially narrowed the title of this thread.


You didn't narrow the title.

you narrowed the discussion.

the title is of the discussion is not the discussion.

you're still weasel-wording.

[fj1200]

You didn't narrow the title.

you narrowed the discussion.

the title is of the discussion is not the discussion.

you're still weasel-wording.

No. I asked a question. A question that attempted to point out the absurdity of the topic. The discussion is now just rev posting memes about epstein and the clintons.

[revelarts]

Point out where I artificially narrowed the title of this thread.


When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring."


When YOUR ONLY question is you mean.

Again, that was the question I cared about.
.....

[AHZ]

No. I asked a question. A question that attempted to point out the absurdity of the topic. The discussion is now just rev posting memes about epstein and the clintons.


which is all related to pizzagate.

so you want the thread shut down or what?

[fj1200]

.....

You've got to admit, there's no discussion happening.


which is all related to pizzagate.

so you want the thread shut down or what?

Not really related unless it can be linked with evidence. No need to shut anything down, just recognize that there is no real discussion happening.

[AHZ]

You've got to admit, there's no discussion happening.



Not really related unless it can be linked with evidence. No need to shut anything down, just recognize that there is no real discussion happening.


Ok. go away then and stop non-discussing.

let the adults talk.

[fj1200]

Ok. go away then and stop non-discussing.

let the adults talk.

:laugh: How is asking for evidence non-discussing?

[AHZ]

:laugh: How is asking for evidence non-discussing?


you said there was no discussion here. so if you're doing something here, it's not discussing.

[fj1200]

you said there was no discussion here. so if you're doing something here, it's not discussing.

Your logic is circular. I'm asking for evidence.

[AHZ]

Your logic is circular. I'm asking for evidence.


no. you said there was no discussion. IM talking about your logic.


why are you here if there's no discussion?

maybe there is a discussion? could that be possible?

[fj1200]

Have a nice day. :)

[AHZ]

So anyway.....


YEah....

the internationalist ruling junta composed of high finance, intellligence agencies, the wealthy, and politicians use compromising materials to blackmail others into doing their bidding.

obtaining that material eats up every weekend for a deep state player.

party party party.

[revelarts]

No. I asked a question. A question that attempted to point out the absurdity of the topic. The discussion is now just rev posting memes about epstein and the clintons.


which is all related to pizzagate.
...
exactly.


FJ you narrowed the discussion to HRC running a child abuse ring. and in that denied that Epstien should be brought into the discussion.
the reply to your denials started with reasons WHY Epstein and Clinton should be linked giving solid footing to suspicions.
And i've added evidence to that assertion showing that the Clintons have LONG been associated with Epstein & Maxwell. to refute your back handed denials of connections.

But it's true that Pizzagate itself in NOT just about HRC or Epstein. That was YOUR focus of attention here.
part of what i posted was about the Podestas (HRC's good friends and political cronies). The Podesta's are part of the center of the Pizzagate scandal.

heres wikipedias description of what pizzagate is . (with all it's denials)

...In March 2016, the personal email account of John Podesta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Podesta), Hillary Clinton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton)'s campaign chair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_manager), was hacked in a spear phishing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing#Spear_phishing) attack. WikiLeaks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks) published his emails (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_emails) in November 2016. Proponents of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory falsely claimed the emails contained coded messages that connected several high-ranking Democratic Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) officials and U.S. restaurants with an alleged human trafficking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking) and child sex ring (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_ring). One of the establishments allegedly involved was the Comet Ping Pong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Ping_Pong) pizzeria in Washington, D.C.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory#cite_note-shalby-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory#cite_note-:7-6)....

Somehow you fixated on HRC as the main discussion topic.
Others accommodated your questions.

Did you want to talk about Posdesta's Emails?
The Symbols & code words found? In the emails and at the Pizza place(s)?
The weird art and p3do friends of the Podestas?

[AHZ]

exactly.


FJ you narrowed the discussion to HRC running a child abuse ring. and in that denied that Epstien should be brought into the discussion.
the reply to your denials started with reasons WHY Epstein and Clinton should be linked and i've aded evidence to that assertion showing that the Clintons have LONG been associated with Epstein & Maxwell. to refute your back handed denials.

But it's true that Pizzagate itself in NOT just about HRC. that was YOUR focus of attention.
part of what i posted was about the Podestas (HRC's good friends and political cronies). The Podesta's are part of the center of the Pizzagate scandal.

heres wikipedias description of what pizzagate is . (with all it's denials)


Somehow you fixated on HRC as the main discussion topic.
Others accommodated your questions.

Did you want to talk about Posdesta's Emails?
The Symbols & code words found? In the emails and at the Pizza place(s)?
The weird art and p3do friends of the Podestas?

“Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!” – Conan

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Also, it's odd that i've posted DOZENS of quotes of globalist but somehow they don't really mean what they say.
Some of their words mean "free trade" to you.
And I posted some quotes and you even denied they said it... until shown otherwise.

But when we talk about your hypotheticals based on NYT accusations "Answer received".
How does that work?
Why not "answer received" with globalist Words, Docs & Text and 50+ years of actions.
Globalist operate on the faithful thesis," deny the truth until ones dying day"..
Which can be translated into this, lie like hell always. And they do......----Tyr

[AHZ]

Globalist operate on the faithful thesis," deny the truth until ones dying day"..
Which can be translated into this, lie like hell always. And they do......----Tyr

they do.

and then when cornered it's word games, and "I didn't say that".

[fj1200]

exactly.

FJ you narrowed the discussion to HRC running a child abuse ring. and in that denied that Epstien should be brought into the discussion....

I merely stated that name-dropping Epstein is not proof of HRC running a child abuse ring. The rest is your interpretation.

[revelarts]

When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring... Epstein is off topic. When the question is a pizza joint being the center for a child abuse ring... the existence of child trafficking exists is off topic. ....


I merely stated that name-dropping Epstein is not proof of HRC running a child abuse ring. The rest is your interpretation.

cmon man.

[AHZ]

I merely stated that name-dropping Epstein is not proof of HRC running a child abuse ring. The rest is your interpretation.


And butterscotch isn't a jumbo jet, what's your point?

[fj1200]

cmon man.

C;mon man! Correct emphasis is critical to point construction.


When the question is whether or not hrc is running a child abuse ring... epstein is off topic. When the question is a pizza joint being the center for a child abuse ring... the existence of child trafficking exists is off topic. Saying "Epstein!!!" is not evidence of hrc and her alleged wrongdoing.

[AHZ]

C;mon man! Correct emphasis is critical to point construction.



yes you narrowed the argument.

we've discussed this. your myopic focus on your own strawman doesn't mean the rest of the discussion is off topic.

[fj1200]

yes you narrowed the argument.

we've discussed this. your myopic focus on your own strawman doesn't mean the rest of the discussion is off topic.

Let me know what your first language is and I'll see if google translate can explain it any better. I could try to dumb it down to trump's reading level for you too; 3rd? 4th?

[AHZ]

Let me know what your first language is and I'll see if google translate can explain it any better. I could try to dumb it down to trump's reading level for you too; 3rd? 4th?


I've never been to school.

I was trapped in a wine cellar for several years and only fed retard cheese.

[AHZ]

Let me know what your first language is and I'll see if google translate can explain it any better. I could try to dumb it down to trump's reading level for you too; 3rd? 4th?


It's english.