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Kathianne
11-28-2016, 10:28 PM
Makes me LOL! While they are right about his not being able to 'prove' illegal votes, this recount nonsense should open the door to voter reform. They also give but one of the serious reasons to keep the electoral college system.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2016-11-28-US-Voting-Fraud-Fact-Check/id-f5248db1a9db46bc88cd781304122dac


Nov. 28, 2016 7:35 PM ET
AP FACT CHECK: Trump won presidency but lost popular vote
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press http://hosted2.ap.org/NewsArchive/images/icon/principles-book-blue.png (http://www.ap.org/newsvalues/index.html)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump's tweets can't erase the reality that he lost the popular vote in this month's election, according to The Associated Press' vote-counting operation.

The president-elect tweeted Saturday that he'd have won the popular vote "if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally." He also alleged "serious voter fraud" in California, New Hampshire and Virginia and complained that the media aren't covering it.

Not only did he present no evidence to back up those claims — there apparently isn't any. Asked to provide supporting evidence on Monday, Trump's transition team pointed only to past charges of irregularities in voter registration. There has been no evidence of widespread tampering or hacking that would change the results of the presidential contest, and for good reason, experts said.

For one, it would be highly impractical. The nation's election system is decentralized, a patchwork of state laws whose differences would be nearly impossible to target on a large scale, said Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice.

"You would need to have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people conspiring with insiders and with one another," Weiser said. "To keep a conspiracy of that magnitude secret is just unthinkable."

"The process is not rigged anywhere in America," said R. Doug Lewis, who headed the nonprofit Election Center for more than two decades. Interest groups, bloggers and others across the political spectrum keep anecdotal lists of instances of election fraud, he said, but "when each side is forced to come up with factual examples where that has happened, where they have to name names ... almost always the allegations go away."

On Twitter, Trump has returned to two well-worn techniques: denying he's lost anything and playing on public distrust.

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Elessar
11-28-2016, 10:48 PM
Makes me LOL! While they are right about his not being able to 'prove' illegal votes, this recount nonsense should open the door to voter reform. They also give but one of the serious reasons to keep the electoral college system.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2016-11-28-US-Voting-Fraud-Fact-Check/id-f5248db1a9db46bc88cd781304122dac

Voter registration with a valid I.D. Card. Valid meaning supported by birth certificate, Valid Driver's License or I.D.,
Military I.D., valid Social Security Card (Supported by the above), and proof of citizenship.

Kathianne
11-28-2016, 10:55 PM
Voter registration with a valid I.D. Card. Valid meaning supported by birth certificate, Valid Driver's License or I.D.,
Military I.D., valid Social Security Card (Supported by the above), and proof of citizenship.

Driver's license is no longer a good ID for voting, many states don't require much, if anything regarding citizenship.

Elessar
11-28-2016, 11:02 PM
Driver's license is no longer a good ID for voting, many states don't require much, if anything regarding citizenship.

I think I used the term Valid in there. All states that i know of, require a picture I.D.
be processed on a license.

Kathianne
11-28-2016, 11:15 PM
I think I used the term Valid in there. All states that i know of, require a picture I.D.
be processed on a license.

All the listed are 'valid':

http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005535

Note, in CA must provide valid SS#, which one has no problem finding online. Once the DL is issued, not going to be difficult to vote.