Make America Great...Again? [Archive] - Debate Policy

bullypulpit

11-22-2016, 09:15 AM

During the course of Donald Trump’s campaign, his slogan was to “Make America great again”. Now this campaign slogan was long on generality and real short on specifics, so let’s look at the promises Donald Trump made as part of his plan to “Make America Great Again”.

The Great Mexican Wall
To keep Mexican from streaming over the border to pillage and plunder low wage jobs with no benefits and questionable working conditions in this country, Donald wants to build a wall. A wall spanning the length of the US/Mexican border. A border about twenty miles short of 2,000 miles. Now the last time anyone tried to build a wall this long it took a few centuries and the slave labor of millions of Chinese. Now Donald realized, if dimly, that it was technically and logistically impossible to build a wall the whole length of the US/Mexican border and amended the plan to a wall only 1,000 miles long, thanks to “natural barriers”. But, that is equally infeasible, even if he could force Mexico to pay for it. As to how this would “Make America Great Again”, well, it wouldn’t. It would only bankrupt the US, after all, it wouldn’t do to raise taxes on himself and his oligarch buddies to pay for this boondoggle, so Grammie and Gramps would be eating cheap dog food because Social Security and Medicare are gutted in a vain effort to pay for the Great Wall of Mexico. And the rest of us, well, we’d be reduced to serfdom. So, now Donald’s Great Wall of Mexico is reduced to about 200 miles of chain-link fence and razor wire. That’ll “Make America Great Again”.

Repealing the Affordable Care Act
How would stripping nearly 20 million people of their health insurance “Make America Great Again”? The short answer is that it wouldn’t. All it would do is throw these people off insurance. They would, once again be dependent on emergency departments for their primary care. Now to put that in perspective, an [I]uncomplicated emergency department visit costs around $600 to $1000 depending on where you live. A visit to a doctor’s office costs about $60 to $100. You do the math. But these folks won’t be having an uncomplicated visit to the ED. They will arrive sicker be admitted with longer, more complicated hospital stays, higher mortality and morbidity, and much higher costs than if they’d been able to get access to affordable healthcare. You know like the ACA has tried, imperfectly to provide. Oh, and don’t forget, if you have a pre-existing condition, well you’re not gonna get coverage at any price. The net result is that insurance premiums, copays and deductibles will spiral out of control, forcing even MORE people into the ranks of the uninsured. And since the brunt of these costs are borne by not-for-profit hospitals, many will likely be forced to close their doors as they can no longer absorb the costs, rendering safe healthcare an even more limited commodity. This means that only the wealthy can afford medical can without being pauperized. So, will repealing the Affordable Care Act “Make America Great Again”? In a word, no.

Creating a Registry for Muslims
So, some of the more rabid Islamophobes in Donald’s inner circle want to create a “registry” for Muslim Americans. Now, as history has shown us, this leads to a very slippery slope indeed. You start with a “registry”, but then a requirement for pinning a yellow crescent and star on one’s clothing is enacted. But wait, it’ll be easier to segregate Muslims into ghettos where they can be closely monitored. Internment camps will be even better as Muslims can be entirely isolated from the rest of the population. What would the final solution be? Would this “Make America Great Again”? No, history shows nothing but grief and horror to be the result.

Trying to Cure “the Gay”
How will criminalizing the LGBT community “Make America Great Again”? It won’t. I mean except to show what great homophobes folks like Mike Pence…yes, Trump’s VP…are and how they are firmly convinced that “conversion” therapy is real, and works. Especially with the liberal application of electrical shocks to the brains of those afflicted with “the gay”. Will this “Make America Great Again”? No. The only ones that need fixing are the homophobes and closet queens in the GOP and their religious right wing-nut base through lots and lots of psychotherapy. That means YOU Mike Pence.

Repealing Dodd-Frank
Repealing Dodd-Frank will NOT “Make America Great Again”. Dodd-Frank is the only thing standing between working Americans and another nuclear melt-down of the American and, potentially, the world economy is Dodd-Frank. A bill signed into law in 2010 after the 2008 recession. A recession caused by the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act and its replacement by the Graham-Leach-Bliley act in 1999. These barriers had existed since the 1930’s and had provided an unprecedented security and stability the American and world financial markets. But with their removal, the stage was set for the meltdown of the US housing market. Bill Clinton’s willful participation in the passage of Graham-Leach Bliley into law, the transformation of the Democratic party into GOP Lite was complete. So, if you think repealing Dodd-Frank will “Make America Great Again”, think again. It will result in the wealthiest Americas laughing all the way to the bank while everyone who works for a living is left holding the bag, penniless and in soup lines. Trump’s economic populism ended on November 8th.

The Resurgence of White Nationalism and Racism
This weekend, the “Alt-right” held a conference in Washington. Now we need to perfectly clear, “Alt-right” is simply a polite euphemism…a “rebranding” …if you will, of white nationalism, racism and neo-Nazism. These racists and anti-Semites have found a hero in Donald Trump. Trump’s history has been one of racism and his rhetoric, from the beginning of his campaign, has been racist. First attacking Mexicans, and Hispanics in general, then moving on to other minorities and Muslims. Between November 8th and November 14th, the Southern Poverty Law Center “has reported that there were four hundred and thirty-seven incidents of intimidation… targeting blacks and other people of color, Muslims, immigrants, the L.G.B.T. community, and women.” (Okeowo, 2016). And then we have Trump appointing Breitbart CEO, racist, anti-Semite and misogynist, Steve Bannon, as his “strategist”, Jeff Sessions is his pick for AG, Mike Flynn for DHS and Mike Pompeo for DCIA, all meeting the approval of David Duke, former imperial wizard of the KKK. And this week-end, we saw the spectacle of white-supremacists screaming “Hail Trump” with a stiff right arm in the stereotypical Nazi salute. The US Holocaust Memorial Museum felt compelled to issue a statement on this white nationalist conference, stating that “The Holocaust did not begin with killing; it began with words” and for “all American citizens, our religious and civic leaders, and the leadership of all branches of government to confront racist thinking and divisive hateful speech” ("DW-US Holocaust Museum," 2016). Yet we hear no disavowal of this movement by Trump, and only limp-wristed, Milquetoast denouncements by his surrogates. The silence from the GOP leadership in the House and Senate is equally deafening, their silence being equated with assent. This will not “Make America Great Again”.

Conclusion
I could go on, for hundreds of pages. But if you haven’t gotten the point by now that Trump’s promise to “Make America Great Again” is as empty as the hard vacuum of interstellar space, you’re not going to. And that is because you prefer to remain willfully ignorant. Trump will not “Make America Great Again”. He will, instead, turn America into a pariah state, loot the treasury for the benefit of himself and his sycophants, and grind everyone who works for a living into serfdom.

References
Barkholz, D. (2016). Hospitals fret over financial impact of ACA repeal. Retrieved from http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20161109/NEWS/161109911
Dean, J. (2016, May 16). Trump’s Wall: Impractical, Impolitic, Impossible. Newsweek. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/trump-wall-impractical-impolitic-impossible-459802
Geewax, M. (2016). Trump Team Promises to ’Dismantle’ Dodd-Frank Bank Regulations. Retrieved from http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/10/501610842/trump-team-promises-to-dismantle-dodd-frank-bank-regulations
Goldstein, J. (2016, November 20). Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump’s Election With a Salute: ‘Heil Victory’. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html
Kirsch, R. (2016). Is Trump ready to face consequences of repealing ObamaCare? Retrieved from http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/306028-is-trump-ready-to-face-consequences-of-repealing-obamacare
Michaelson, J. (2016). A Trump-Pence Presidency Would Be a Disaster for LGBT People. Retrieved from http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/19/a-trump-pence-presidency-would-be-a-disaster-for-lgbt-people.html
Muaddi, N. (2016). The Bush-era Muslim registry failed. Yet the US could be trying it again. Retrieved from http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/politics/nseers-muslim-database-qa-trnd/
Okeowo, A. (2016, November 17). Hate on the Rise After Trump’s Election. The New Yorker. Retrieved from http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hate-on-the-rise-after-trumps-election
US Holocaust Museum likens pro-Trump alt-right conference to the rise of Hitler. (2016). Retrieved from http://www.dw.com/en/us-holocaust-museum-likens-pro-trump-alt-right-conference-to-the-rise-of-hitler/a-36474332

Gunny

11-22-2016, 09:21 AM

Making America "great again" would require you leftwingnut moonbats to keep your promise for once and leave. There's no place in the US Constitution for your fascism.

pete311

11-22-2016, 09:31 AM

I never understood the phrase. When exactly is he talking about. What decade are we trying to emulate?

Drummond

11-22-2016, 10:02 AM

I don't believe that America's Foundling Fathers ever intended for their country to become a Socialist 'paradise'. Where The State rules people. Tells them how to think and feel. Or creates a dependency culture.

So -- there's the answer. A great America will be an America that knows the greatness that was originally intended for it.

Solution .. get America back on track again. If that means delousing it away from all the incursions which Socialism has made (no doubt it does !), so be it.

Gunny

11-22-2016, 10:17 AM

I don't believe that America's Foundling Fathers ever intended for their country to become a Socialist 'paradise'. Where The State rules people. Tells them how to think and feel. Or creates a dependency culture.

So -- there's the answer. A great America will be an America that knows the greatness that was originally intended for it.

Solution .. get America back on track again. If that means delousing it away from all the incursions which Socialism has made (no doubt it does !), so be it.

THAT requires work. In case you haven't noticed, "work" is a dirty word in the leftwingnut handbook. Well, they're okay with it so long as YOU work and give them what YOU earned for nothing.

NightTrain

11-22-2016, 10:29 AM

Well, Bully, I guess you'll have to let President Trump make those calls since you and your fellow moonbats are completely without any kind of power.

America rejected you and your asinine ideals, and lately you liberals are further reinforcing the notion that you are utterly unfit to wield any sort of political power.

Yes, the long overdue destruction of liberal influence is at hand, both here in America and overseas with the EU. It certainly didn't help your cause for everyone to see where Greece and Venezuela ended up with their headlong rush to socialism, did it? History would have clearly shown where that path leads, but liberals aren't known for common sense, are they?

Getting to your ridiculous post chock full of groundless accusations :

Great Wall of America : Paid for by illegals sending money home, or outright by Mexico. Only a moonbat would claim we can't build a wall. We built a canal through Panama thousands of miles from here in the middle of a malaria-infested jungle starting in 1903. You really think we are incapable of a wall?

Obamacare : It's unfeasible, just like you were told when you rammed it down the country's throat, and was so bad that Pelosi infamously said that we had to pass it before we knew what was in it. Sounds legit, right? And the architect, Gruber, infamously said ""Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."

It needs to be repealed in it's entirety and return to a privatization of healthcare. If you need insurance, do the Big Boy thing and get a job that provides you with it. Or pay for it yourself. Or don't! Freedom to choose, baby, that's what we're all about.

Muslim Registry : That's dishonest and you know it. Or maybe you don't, considering the other stupid things you've claimed. The bottom line is we're going to keep out unvetted immigrants to this country. You can thank your lucky stars that you, Petey and OCA won't have to take the express route down from a skyscraper's roof because we're going to actually investigate who wants to enter this country among our mostly unarmed civilian populace.

Gay Away Spray : No one cares if you're gay, Bully. You can play the trombone all you want in the privacy of your house and no one cares. Trump has better things to do than wonder who you're blowing tonight down at the Blue Oyster.

Dismantling Dodd-Frank : Educate yourself : http://www.wsj.com/articles/full-repeal-of-dodd-frankisnt-main-focus-of-trump-transition-1478882550

Trump is Hitler! : You moonbats have been hysterically screaming that every Republican is secretly a nazi since Reagan was elected. Bush 1, Bush 2 and now Trump, along with entire administrations. The funny thing is that you've completely removed any sort of teeth that the claim may have had by decades of unfounded hysterics and pretty much everyone ignores you now. Yeah, yeah, everyone is a nazi, Bully, now give me a strawberry shake with my order.

Conclusion : No one cares what you think. You are irrelevant and have no way to stop anything from happening beginning Jan 20th, and this is a position you helped create with your illogical misinformation campaign that Soros told you to engage in for his financial benefit. The American public has finally wised up. Here, take a gander at this handy graph that charts your race to irrelevancy :

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9496&stc=1

Looking at this graph, it becomes immediately clear that America woke up to the fact that you liberals have no place in any position of power.

Study that graph, Bully. Own it. You, Petey, OCA and Gabby all have a part in that startling trajectory by mindlessly parroting soundbites that have no basis in reality.

You've all been played for the fools that you are by a Hungarian billionaire who made his money by destabilizing national economies - take a look at the run Soros made on Britain a while back. Do you really think he gives a damn about all you useful idiots protesting and getting politicians elected who do his bidding by introducing policies that hammer our economic base? WikiLeaks showed that he was giving Hillary instructions - and that's a serious issue that you moonbats would love to hide, but it's too late for that. He creates a problem and then bets against the economy and wins huge.

Keep that faux outrage going. I'm enjoying your every desperate attempt to stop the inevitable. :salute:

gabosaurus

11-22-2016, 11:15 AM

Promising grandiose things is a lot easier than actually doing them. :cool:

My guess is that Trump will actually accomplish very few of the things he wants to do. There will be no wall, no massive deportation, no registry, no change in abortion rights.
The primary reason is that Trump is only one person. Congress is controlled by Republicans, but they all worry about keeping their seats and appeasing lobbyists.

Trump won't even fulfill his promise to "drain the swamp." He has already indicated his plans to refill the swamp with lobbyists and special interest groups of his own choosing.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. :rolleyes:

Gunny

11-22-2016, 11:25 AM

Promising grandiose things is a lot easier than actually doing them. :cool:

My guess is that Trump will actually accomplish very few of the things he wants to do. There will be no wall, no massive deportation, no registry, no change in abortion rights.
The primary reason is that Trump is only one person. Congress is controlled by Republicans, but they all worry about keeping their seats and appeasing lobbyists.

Trump won't even fulfill his promise to "drain the swamp." He has already indicated his plans to refill the swamp with lobbyists and special interest groups of his own choosing.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. :rolleyes:

True. Look what Obama promised. All we got out of that was 8 years of racism from the top, partisan pandering, a bunch of thugs on the left who believe they are above the law, Obamacare, and pulling out at halftime on a war we had won and will have to fight again.

There never was any massive deportation nor registry except in the Chicken Little small left wing nut minds.

gabosaurus

11-22-2016, 11:30 AM

True. Look what Obama promised. All we got out of that was 8 years of racism from the top, partisan pandering, a bunch of thugs on the left who believe they are above the law, Obamacare, and pulling out at halftime on a war we had won and will have to fight again.

The "war we had won?" As in "Mission Accomplished?"
Sorry Gunny, the military never had anything won. It was lost from the day GW Bush illegally started it.
Gunny, it's time to wake up. We're not in Kansas anymore.

Gunny

11-22-2016, 11:42 AM

The "war we had won?" As in "Mission Accomplished?"
Sorry Gunny, the military never had anything won. It was lost from the day GW Bush illegally started it.
Gunny, it's time to wake up. We're not in Kansas anymore.

Oh, you mean "Mission Accomplished" as in the ship's mission was over and was on it's way back to CONUS? THAT "Mission Accomplished" y'all turned into a lie?

Sorry Gabby, but the military had completely won despite the effort of you dumb Dems trying to screw it up. Obama pulled the plug and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory as if he was Jerry Jones.

The war was completely legal. Saddam had WMDs and we would know since we sold him the damned things and taught him how to make them. I didn't agree with going into Iraq, but not for your partisan political BS lies as reasons. I'm military and practical. You are a shill. Therein lies the difference.

Time for YOU to wake up.

NightTrain

11-22-2016, 11:46 AM

How's your track record on your predictions, Gabby?

I like that you subscribe to the notion that you have any kind of credibility as you make confident assertions in your attempts to troll. It makes quoting you later very entertaining.

gabosaurus

11-22-2016, 11:51 AM

How's your track record on your predictions, Gabby?

I like that you subscribe to the notion that you have any kind of credibility as you make confident assertions in your attempts to troll. It makes quoting you later very entertaining.

I never predicted anything. Just made my feelings known.
You are much more of a troll than I am or will ever be. And you live in Alaska.

Abbey Marie

11-22-2016, 11:54 AM

Promising grandiose things is a lot easier than actually doing them. :cool:

My guess is that Trump will actually accomplish very few of the things he wants to do. There will be no wall, no massive deportation, no registry, no change in abortion rights.
The primary reason is that Trump is only one person. Congress is controlled by Republicans, but they all worry about keeping their seats and appeasing lobbyists.

Trump won't even fulfill his promise to "drain the swamp." He has already indicated his plans to refill the swamp with lobbyists and special interest groups of his own choosing.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. :rolleyes:

If all that is true, and almost nothing will change under Trump, why are your fellow libs sobbing and seeking safe places?

Balu

11-22-2016, 12:01 PM

I never predicted anything. Just made my feelings known.
You are much more of a troll than I am or will ever be. And you live in Alaska.
And so what? You think it is enough basis to assume that a person is unable to think and understand? And he is less "exclusive" then the others in the USA? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dntknw.gif

NightTrain

11-22-2016, 12:41 PM

I never predicted anything. Just made my feelings known.
You are much more of a troll than I am or will ever be. And you live in Alaska.

Well, that was a dumb thing to say. But that's kind of your specialty, isn't it?

You people need to relax. It's going to be OK.

I recommend a kinder, gentler DP banner. Effective tomorrow. :cool:

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We already went through an oligarchy while GW Bush was in power. It was basically government by a few, for a few.
I can't see Clinton being any worse.

If early voting numbers hold up, Trump could lose Arizona and Texas. I believe he will lose Florida as well.
If the election is close, it might be time for Florida to bring out the "hanging chads" from the 2000 closet. :p

Trump is on his last legs and his people know it. They will take any sort of sensationalism they can muster at this point.

I brought a lot of this up during the primaries. I warned you that Trump had a huge closet full of skeletons and that Hillary was going to pull them all out.

Trump will lose because he is a psychopath with no integrity.

I think Trump should be worried about losing Arizona and Texas after the early voting figures showing the Latino presence up 40 percent over 2012.

In early voting, Latinos have almost doubled their numbers from 2012. This does not bode well for Trump in Texas. :cool:

I promise that the media will lay off Trump in a couple of weeks. :cool:

I hope Trump realizes how hard you are working on his behalf. Perhaps he can send you a few bucks when he gets back to his business office in a couple of weeks.

And there is nothing to debate or discuss on this. Trump is going to lose big among women and minority voters.

As I have stated here many times, there WILL be significant gun control legislation introduced.

At the same time, no one will be prohibited from owning a gun. In addition, no one will be coming for the guns you already own. If you want a gun for self defense or hunting, you will always be able to get one. You simply will not have the choice of weapons that now exist.

Republicans brought all this upon themselves by nominating Trump.

For once, Giuliani is correct. Liberals will be quite happy to take what the #NeverTrump people give us.

I think the one thing that will eventually prove to be Trump's downfall is his failure to expand his base of support.

I am fairly certain that the media will stop colluding with Hillary in a couple of weeks. :rolleyes:

After that, you can entertain yourself with Trump TV.

Will you be still be around when Trump loses?

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Trump campaign Going Out of Business sale! :cool:

That's going back just one month.

You were saying? :smoke:

Black Diamond

11-22-2016, 12:45 PM

Remember her avatar said something about "vote Trump, get Hillary" ?

NightTrain

11-22-2016, 12:54 PM

Remember her avatar said something about "vote Trump, get Hillary" ?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9497&stc=1

bullypulpit

11-22-2016, 02:37 PM

Promising grandiose things is a lot easier than actually doing them. :cool:

My guess is that Trump will actually accomplish very few of the things he wants to do. There will be no wall, no massive deportation, no registry, no change in abortion rights.
The primary reason is that Trump is only one person. Congress is controlled by Republicans, but they all worry about keeping their seats and appeasing lobbyists.

Trump won't even fulfill his promise to "drain the swamp." He has already indicated his plans to refill the swamp with lobbyists and special interest groups of his own choosing.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. :rolleyes:

Well, Gabby, you're assuming that Drumpf and the GOP won't find some pretense to suspend future elections. I'm betting they will. If they can't find one, they make one up.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

11-22-2016, 02:44 PM

During the course of Donald Trump’s campaign, his slogan was to “Make America great again”. Now this campaign slogan was long on generality and real short on specifics, so let’s look at the promises Donald Trump made as part of his plan to “Make America Great Again”.

The Great Mexican Wall
To keep Mexican from streaming over the border to pillage and plunder low wage jobs with no benefits and questionable working conditions in this country, Donald wants to build a wall. A wall spanning the length of the US/Mexican border. A border about twenty miles short of 2,000 miles. Now the last time anyone tried to build a wall this long it took a few centuries and the slave labor of millions of Chinese. Now Donald realized, if dimly, that it was technically and logistically impossible to build a wall the whole length of the US/Mexican border and amended the plan to a wall only 1,000 miles long, thanks to “natural barriers”. But, that is equally infeasible, even if he could force Mexico to pay for it. As to how this would “Make America Great Again”, well, it wouldn’t. It would only bankrupt the US, after all, it wouldn’t do to raise taxes on himself and his oligarch buddies to pay for this boondoggle, so Grammie and Gramps would be eating cheap dog food because Social Security and Medicare are gutted in a vain effort to pay for the Great Wall of Mexico. And the rest of us, well, we’d be reduced to serfdom. So, now Donald’s Great Wall of Mexico is reduced to about 200 miles of chain-link fence and razor wire. That’ll “Make America Great Again”.

Repealing the Affordable Care Act
How would stripping nearly 20 million people of their health insurance “Make America Great Again”? The short answer is that it wouldn’t. All it would do is throw these people off insurance. They would, once again be dependent on emergency departments for their primary care. Now to put that in perspective, an [I]uncomplicated emergency department visit costs around $600 to $1000 depending on where you live. A visit to a doctor’s office costs about $60 to $100. You do the math. But these folks won’t be having an uncomplicated visit to the ED. They will arrive sicker be admitted with longer, more complicated hospital stays, higher mortality and morbidity, and much higher costs than if they’d been able to get access to affordable healthcare. You know like the ACA has tried, imperfectly to provide. Oh, and don’t forget, if you have a pre-existing condition, well you’re not gonna get coverage at any price. The net result is that insurance premiums, copays and deductibles will spiral out of control, forcing even MORE people into the ranks of the uninsured. And since the brunt of these costs are borne by not-for-profit hospitals, many will likely be forced to close their doors as they can no longer absorb the costs, rendering safe healthcare an even more limited commodity. This means that only the wealthy can afford medical can without being pauperized. So, will repealing the Affordable Care Act “Make America Great Again”? In a word, no.

Creating a Registry for Muslims
So, some of the more rabid Islamophobes in Donald’s inner circle want to create a “registry” for Muslim Americans. Now, as history has shown us, this leads to a very slippery slope indeed. You start with a “registry”, but then a requirement for pinning a yellow crescent and star on one’s clothing is enacted. But wait, it’ll be easier to segregate Muslims into ghettos where they can be closely monitored. Internment camps will be even better as Muslims can be entirely isolated from the rest of the population. What would the final solution be? Would this “Make America Great Again”? No, history shows nothing but grief and horror to be the result.

Trying to Cure “the Gay”
How will criminalizing the LGBT community “Make America Great Again”? It won’t. I mean except to show what great homophobes folks like Mike Pence…yes, Trump’s VP…are and how they are firmly convinced that “conversion” therapy is real, and works. Especially with the liberal application of electrical shocks to the brains of those afflicted with “the gay”. Will this “Make America Great Again”? No. The only ones that need fixing are the homophobes and closet queens in the GOP and their religious right wing-nut base through lots and lots of psychotherapy. That means YOU Mike Pence.

Repealing Dodd-Frank
Repealing Dodd-Frank will NOT “Make America Great Again”. Dodd-Frank is the only thing standing between working Americans and another nuclear melt-down of the American and, potentially, the world economy is Dodd-Frank. A bill signed into law in 2010 after the 2008 recession. A recession caused by the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act and its replacement by the Graham-Leach-Bliley act in 1999. These barriers had existed since the 1930’s and had provided an unprecedented security and stability the American and world financial markets. But with their removal, the stage was set for the meltdown of the US housing market. Bill Clinton’s willful participation in the passage of Graham-Leach Bliley into law, the transformation of the Democratic party into GOP Lite was complete. So, if you think repealing Dodd-Frank will “Make America Great Again”, think again. It will result in the wealthiest Americas laughing all the way to the bank while everyone who works for a living is left holding the bag, penniless and in soup lines. Trump’s economic populism ended on November 8th.

The Resurgence of White Nationalism and Racism
This weekend, the “Alt-right” held a conference in Washington. Now we need to perfectly clear, “Alt-right” is simply a polite euphemism…a “rebranding” …if you will, of white nationalism, racism and neo-Nazism. These racists and anti-Semites have found a hero in Donald Trump. Trump’s history has been one of racism and his rhetoric, from the beginning of his campaign, has been racist. First attacking Mexicans, and Hispanics in general, then moving on to other minorities and Muslims. Between November 8th and November 14th, the Southern Poverty Law Center “has reported that there were four hundred and thirty-seven incidents of intimidation… targeting blacks and other people of color, Muslims, immigrants, the L.G.B.T. community, and women.” (Okeowo, 2016). And then we have Trump appointing Breitbart CEO, racist, anti-Semite and misogynist, Steve Bannon, as his “strategist”, Jeff Sessions is his pick for AG, Mike Flynn for DHS and Mike Pompeo for DCIA, all meeting the approval of David Duke, former imperial wizard of the KKK. And this week-end, we saw the spectacle of white-supremacists screaming “Hail Trump” with a stiff right arm in the stereotypical Nazi salute. The US Holocaust Memorial Museum felt compelled to issue a statement on this white nationalist conference, stating that “The Holocaust did not begin with killing; it began with words” and for “all American citizens, our religious and civic leaders, and the leadership of all branches of government to confront racist thinking and divisive hateful speech” ("DW-US Holocaust Museum," 2016). Yet we hear no disavowal of this movement by Trump, and only limp-wristed, Milquetoast denouncements by his surrogates. The silence from the GOP leadership in the House and Senate is equally deafening, their silence being equated with assent. This will not “Make America Great Again”.

Conclusion
I could go on, for hundreds of pages. But if you haven’t gotten the point by now that Trump’s promise to “Make America Great Again” is as empty as the hard vacuum of interstellar space, you’re not going to. And that is because you prefer to remain willfully ignorant. Trump will not “Make America Great Again”. He will, instead, turn America into a pariah state, loot the treasury for the benefit of himself and his sycophants, and grind everyone who works for a living into serfdom.

References
Barkholz, D. (2016). Hospitals fret over financial impact of ACA repeal. Retrieved from http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20161109/NEWS/161109911
Dean, J. (2016, May 16). Trump’s Wall: Impractical, Impolitic, Impossible. Newsweek. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/trump-wall-impractical-impolitic-impossible-459802
Geewax, M. (2016). Trump Team Promises to ’Dismantle’ Dodd-Frank Bank Regulations. Retrieved from http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/10/501610842/trump-team-promises-to-dismantle-dodd-frank-bank-regulations
Goldstein, J. (2016, November 20). Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump’s Election With a Salute: ‘Heil Victory’. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html
Kirsch, R. (2016). Is Trump ready to face consequences of repealing ObamaCare? Retrieved from http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/306028-is-trump-ready-to-face-consequences-of-repealing-obamacare
Michaelson, J. (2016). A Trump-Pence Presidency Would Be a Disaster for LGBT People. Retrieved from http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/19/a-trump-pence-presidency-would-be-a-disaster-for-lgbt-people.html
Muaddi, N. (2016). The Bush-era Muslim registry failed. Yet the US could be trying it again. Retrieved from http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/politics/nseers-muslim-database-qa-trnd/
Okeowo, A. (2016, November 17). Hate on the Rise After Trump’s Election. The New Yorker. Retrieved from http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hate-on-the-rise-after-trumps-election
US Holocaust Museum likens pro-Trump alt-right conference to the rise of Hitler. (2016). Retrieved from http://www.dw.com/en/us-holocaust-museum-likens-pro-trump-alt-right-conference-to-the-rise-of-hitler/a-36474332


You are, without any doubt, a blinded moron that exists without the sense God gave a goose..
For Trump is pretty much anti-obama and thus you must think that the obama is some kind of genius, hero and great leader..
And that makes you a doofus on the very top tier IMHO..
YOU ARE ONE SICK PUPPY...
Worthy only to be firewood IMHO.-TYR

Black Diamond

11-22-2016, 03:18 PM

Well, Gabby, you're assuming that Drumpf and the GOP won't find some pretense to suspend future elections. I'm betting they will. If they can't find one, they make one up.

He will suspend them. He will set fire to the US Capitol and blame the Muslims. Then take absolute power.

fj1200

11-22-2016, 03:50 PM

Conclusion
I could go on, for hundreds of pages. But if you haven’t gotten the point by now that Trump’s promise to “Make America Great Again” is as empty as the hard vacuum of interstellar space, you’re not going to. And that is because you prefer to remain willfully ignorant. Trump will not “Make America Great Again”. He will, instead, turn America into a pariah state, loot the treasury for the benefit of himself and his sycophants, and grind everyone who works for a living into serfdom.

Some will help, some will not. Hyperbole is no way to make an argument.

Well, Gabby, you're assuming that Drumpf and the GOP won't find some pretense to suspend future elections. I'm betting they will. If they can't find one, they make one up.

Now you sound exactly like some of the righties did not so long ago and some of the lefties did 8 years before that.

jimnyc

11-22-2016, 04:23 PM

During the course of Donald Trump’s campaign, his slogan was to “Make America great again”. Now this campaign slogan was long on generality and real short on specifics, so let’s look at the promises Donald Trump made as part of his plan to “Make America Great Again”.

The Great Mexican Wall
To keep Mexican from streaming over the border to pillage and plunder low wage jobs with no benefits and questionable working conditions in this country, Donald wants to build a wall. A wall spanning the length of the US/Mexican border. A border about twenty miles short of 2,000 miles. Now the last time anyone tried to build a wall this long it took a few centuries and the slave labor of millions of Chinese. Now Donald realized, if dimly, that it was technically and logistically impossible to build a wall the whole length of the US/Mexican border and amended the plan to a wall only 1,000 miles long, thanks to “natural barriers”. But, that is equally infeasible, even if he could force Mexico to pay for it. As to how this would “Make America Great Again”, well, it wouldn’t. It would only bankrupt the US, after all, it wouldn’t do to raise taxes on himself and his oligarch buddies to pay for this boondoggle, so Grammie and Gramps would be eating cheap dog food because Social Security and Medicare are gutted in a vain effort to pay for the Great Wall of Mexico. And the rest of us, well, we’d be reduced to serfdom. So, now Donald’s Great Wall of Mexico is reduced to about 200 miles of chain-link fence and razor wire. That’ll “Make America Great Again”.

Repealing the Affordable Care Act
How would stripping nearly 20 million people of their health insurance “Make America Great Again”? The short answer is that it wouldn’t. All it would do is throw these people off insurance. They would, once again be dependent on emergency departments for their primary care. Now to put that in perspective, an [I]uncomplicated emergency department visit costs around $600 to $1000 depending on where you live. A visit to a doctor’s office costs about $60 to $100. You do the math. But these folks won’t be having an uncomplicated visit to the ED. They will arrive sicker be admitted with longer, more complicated hospital stays, higher mortality and morbidity, and much higher costs than if they’d been able to get access to affordable healthcare. You know like the ACA has tried, imperfectly to provide. Oh, and don’t forget, if you have a pre-existing condition, well you’re not gonna get coverage at any price. The net result is that insurance premiums, copays and deductibles will spiral out of control, forcing even MORE people into the ranks of the uninsured. And since the brunt of these costs are borne by not-for-profit hospitals, many will likely be forced to close their doors as they can no longer absorb the costs, rendering safe healthcare an even more limited commodity. This means that only the wealthy can afford medical can without being pauperized. So, will repealing the Affordable Care Act “Make America Great Again”? In a word, no.

Creating a Registry for Muslims
So, some of the more rabid Islamophobes in Donald’s inner circle want to create a “registry” for Muslim Americans. Now, as history has shown us, this leads to a very slippery slope indeed. You start with a “registry”, but then a requirement for pinning a yellow crescent and star on one’s clothing is enacted. But wait, it’ll be easier to segregate Muslims into ghettos where they can be closely monitored. Internment camps will be even better as Muslims can be entirely isolated from the rest of the population. What would the final solution be? Would this “Make America Great Again”? No, history shows nothing but grief and horror to be the result.

Trying to Cure “the Gay”
How will criminalizing the LGBT community “Make America Great Again”? It won’t. I mean except to show what great homophobes folks like Mike Pence…yes, Trump’s VP…are and how they are firmly convinced that “conversion” therapy is real, and works. Especially with the liberal application of electrical shocks to the brains of those afflicted with “the gay”. Will this “Make America Great Again”? No. The only ones that need fixing are the homophobes and closet queens in the GOP and their religious right wing-nut base through lots and lots of psychotherapy. That means YOU Mike Pence.

Repealing Dodd-Frank
Repealing Dodd-Frank will NOT “Make America Great Again”. Dodd-Frank is the only thing standing between working Americans and another nuclear melt-down of the American and, potentially, the world economy is Dodd-Frank. A bill signed into law in 2010 after the 2008 recession. A recession caused by the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act and its replacement by the Graham-Leach-Bliley act in 1999. These barriers had existed since the 1930’s and had provided an unprecedented security and stability the American and world financial markets. But with their removal, the stage was set for the meltdown of the US housing market. Bill Clinton’s willful participation in the passage of Graham-Leach Bliley into law, the transformation of the Democratic party into GOP Lite was complete. So, if you think repealing Dodd-Frank will “Make America Great Again”, think again. It will result in the wealthiest Americas laughing all the way to the bank while everyone who works for a living is left holding the bag, penniless and in soup lines. Trump’s economic populism ended on November 8th.

The Resurgence of White Nationalism and Racism
This weekend, the “Alt-right” held a conference in Washington. Now we need to perfectly clear, “Alt-right” is simply a polite euphemism…a “rebranding” …if you will, of white nationalism, racism and neo-Nazism. These racists and anti-Semites have found a hero in Donald Trump. Trump’s history has been one of racism and his rhetoric, from the beginning of his campaign, has been racist. First attacking Mexicans, and Hispanics in general, then moving on to other minorities and Muslims. Between November 8th and November 14th, the Southern Poverty Law Center “has reported that there were four hundred and thirty-seven incidents of intimidation… targeting blacks and other people of color, Muslims, immigrants, the L.G.B.T. community, and women.” (Okeowo, 2016). And then we have Trump appointing Breitbart CEO, racist, anti-Semite and misogynist, Steve Bannon, as his “strategist”, Jeff Sessions is his pick for AG, Mike Flynn for DHS and Mike Pompeo for DCIA, all meeting the approval of David Duke, former imperial wizard of the KKK. And this week-end, we saw the spectacle of white-supremacists screaming “Hail Trump” with a stiff right arm in the stereotypical Nazi salute. The US Holocaust Memorial Museum felt compelled to issue a statement on this white nationalist conference, stating that “The Holocaust did not begin with killing; it began with words” and for “all American citizens, our religious and civic leaders, and the leadership of all branches of government to confront racist thinking and divisive hateful speech” ("DW-US Holocaust Museum," 2016). Yet we hear no disavowal of this movement by Trump, and only limp-wristed, Milquetoast denouncements by his surrogates. The silence from the GOP leadership in the House and Senate is equally deafening, their silence being equated with assent. This will not “Make America Great Again”.

Conclusion
I could go on, for hundreds of pages. But if you haven’t gotten the point by now that Trump’s promise to “Make America Great Again” is as empty as the hard vacuum of interstellar space, you’re not going to. And that is because you prefer to remain willfully ignorant. Trump will not “Make America Great Again”. He will, instead, turn America into a pariah state, loot the treasury for the benefit of himself and his sycophants, and grind everyone who works for a living into serfdom.

References
Barkholz, D. (2016). Hospitals fret over financial impact of ACA repeal. Retrieved from http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20161109/NEWS/161109911
Dean, J. (2016, May 16). Trump’s Wall: Impractical, Impolitic, Impossible. Newsweek. Retrieved from http://www.newsweek.com/trump-wall-impractical-impolitic-impossible-459802
Geewax, M. (2016). Trump Team Promises to ’Dismantle’ Dodd-Frank Bank Regulations. Retrieved from http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/10/501610842/trump-team-promises-to-dismantle-dodd-frank-bank-regulations
Goldstein, J. (2016, November 20). Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump’s Election With a Salute: ‘Heil Victory’. The New York Times. Retrieved from http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html
Kirsch, R. (2016). Is Trump ready to face consequences of repealing ObamaCare? Retrieved from http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/306028-is-trump-ready-to-face-consequences-of-repealing-obamacare
Michaelson, J. (2016). A Trump-Pence Presidency Would Be a Disaster for LGBT People. Retrieved from http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/19/a-trump-pence-presidency-would-be-a-disaster-for-lgbt-people.html
Muaddi, N. (2016). The Bush-era Muslim registry failed. Yet the US could be trying it again. Retrieved from http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/politics/nseers-muslim-database-qa-trnd/
Okeowo, A. (2016, November 17). Hate on the Rise After Trump’s Election. The New Yorker. Retrieved from http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hate-on-the-rise-after-trumps-election
US Holocaust Museum likens pro-Trump alt-right conference to the rise of Hitler. (2016). Retrieved from http://www.dw.com/en/us-holocaust-museum-likens-pro-trump-alt-right-conference-to-the-rise-of-hitler/a-36474332


So tell me, Bully - WHY did you not complain about a single executive order from Obama, while crying daily about them while GWB was in office? Why have you been asked this question for about 8 years now and you refuse to answer? Never mind, we all know the answer to both of these questions!

As to your above whine fest - thank you SO much for posting this. Now I know for sure just how many tears were and are flowing in the 'pulpit' household!! I love the above things. :) Sucks, ain't it? Looks like you'll just have to take a back seat ride and watch us for the next few years!

This is me, towards you:

https://i.imgur.com/5kbQYry.jpg

Gunny

11-22-2016, 04:32 PM

Well, Gabby, you're assuming that Drumpf and the GOP won't find some pretense to suspend future elections. I'm betting they will. If they can't find one, they make one up.

WHO is trying to steal an election? You're dumber than I thought if you can say that with a straight face.

Gunny

11-22-2016, 04:34 PM

So tell me, Bully - WHY did you not complain about a single executive order from Obama, while crying daily about them while GWB was in office? Why have you been asked this question for about 8 years now and you refuse to answer? Never mind, we all know the answer to both of these questions!

As to your above whine fest - thank you SO much for posting this. Now I know for sure just how many tears were and are flowing in the 'pulpit' household!! I love the above things. :) Sucks, ain't it? Looks like you'll just have to take a back seat ride and watch us for the next few years!

This is me, towards you:

https://i.imgur.com/5kbQYry.jpg

I think bully's finally snapped. :laugh:

jimnyc

11-22-2016, 04:35 PM

I think bully's finally snapped. :laugh:

Ummmm.... finally? :lol:

Gunny

11-22-2016, 04:40 PM

Ummmm.... finally? :lol:

Yeah. He used to try to at least sound sane. Sounds like he's in a cold sweat, plastic visor on and Clark Kent's hunched about 2" from his monitor now.:laugh:

bullypulpit

11-22-2016, 06:19 PM

So tell me, Bully - WHY did you not complain about a single executive order from Obama, while crying daily about them while GWB was in office? Why have you been asked this question for about 8 years now and you refuse to answer? Never mind, we all know the answer to both of these questions!

As to your above whine fest - thank you SO much for posting this. Now I know for sure just how many tears were and are flowing in the 'pulpit' household!! I love the above things. :) Sucks, ain't it? Looks like you'll just have to take a back seat ride and watch us for the next few years!
:lol:

What about them? Obama issued fewer executive orders than any POTUS since Grover Cleveland, and for better reason than Bush ever did. You're sounding like a broken record Jimmy.

jimnyc

11-22-2016, 06:41 PM

:lol:

What about them? Obama issued fewer executive orders than any POTUS since Grover Cleveland, and for better reason than Bush ever did. You're sounding like a broken record Jimmy.

So since there were less, that made them acceptable? I thought you had an issue with them, not how many. :rolleyes: LAME HYPOCRITE.

Russ

11-22-2016, 09:34 PM

During the course of Donald Trump’s campaign, his slogan was to “Make America great again”. Now this campaign slogan was long on generality and real short on specifics, so let’s look at the promises Donald Trump made as part of his plan to “Make America Great Again”.

Repealing the Affordable Care Act

How would stripping nearly 20 million people of their health insurance “Make America Great Again”?

Creating a Registry for Muslims

So, some of the more rabid Islamophobes in Donald’s inner circle want to create a “registry” for Muslim Americans.

I'm going to cherry-pick just two or your items to be refuted, because I find them especially ridiculous:

The Affordable Care Act - Saying that the ACA has insured 20 million people who were previously uninsured is the inflated figure arrived at by Obama's administration trying to tell us how great they are. Here's some of the things they did to arrive at that grossly exaggerated number:

- Uninsured illegal immigrants were counted in the pre-ACA figures, but not in the ACA figures, making the ACA figures appear to have insured a bunch of immigrants
- They counted millions of people forced onto Medicaid or aging into Medicaid, as being part of ACA.
- They counted people signed up for ACA as newly insured even if they had had an employer plan the previous year.
- They counted people forced onto ACA because of tax penalties as newly insured, even if they were young and healthy and didn't actually want the insurance in the first place.
- They counted people who signed up for ACA at the beginning of the year, but who were dropped later because the people weren't paying their premiums. People dropped later for non-payment are actually "uninsured".

If you get rid of all these tricks used to inflate the numbers, ACA is probably only helping 2 to 3 million people. And what is the cost? There are probably 5 million people in ACA now that previously had very good health care plans for $300-$600 per month, that now have to pay $1500-$2000 per month for plans with $15,000 deductibles. I consider a $15,000 deductible to be virtually the same as NO coverage. So the ACA helped 2-3 million go from no coverage to some coverage, at the expense of making 5 million go from some coverage to no coverage (and paying heavily to have that no coverage).

And the ACA hasn't even finished unraveling yet! If it were left in place, it would collapse from its own incompetence within a few years. Let's face it, Obama create Obamacare to be a statue of himself, not to achieve anything.

Registry for Muslims - Nobody in Trump's administration ever said there would be a registry for Muslims. Just a possible database of immigrants from terror countries like Iran, sometimes called "vetting". The "Muslim Registry" is just the HuffPost taking sentence fragments out of context, so that gullible and willing people like you can make frivolous snipes against Trump. Copy and pasting drivel from the HuffPost is something to be embarrassed about.

aboutime

11-22-2016, 09:59 PM

http://icansayit.com/images/cryingtowel.jpg

Come to thing of it bully. AMERICAN WOULD BE GREATER AGAIN WITHOUT LIBERALS LIKE YOU WEEPING.