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Press review: changes in Russian political tune and new strategies in fighting PR warsPress Review (http://tass.com/pressreview)
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Nezavisimaya Gazeta: Trump’s victory may make Russia change its tuneMoscow’s rhetoric that has described the US as its chief adversary for quite some time can change as a result of Donald Trump’s victory in the US election, as evidenced by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s first statements, saying that Moscow is ready for rapprochement with America, Nezavisimaya Gazeta writes.
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Austrian expert says Trump's foreign policy should be focused on Russia and China (http://tass.com/world/911349)
Russian diplomat says Trump’s win no reason to ‘jump for joy’ (http://tass.com/politics/911313)
Analysts predict new US president Donald Trump may propose new world agenda (http://tass.com/world/911299)
However, the authorities will not be able to renounce anti-Americanism altogether, Nikolai Mironov, the head of the Center for Economic and Political Reforms, told the paper. According to Mironov, Russian media will now start saying that "the Putin administration will be able to come to terms with the US."
On the other hand, Alexei Makarkin, First Vice President of the Center for Political Technologies, believes that it will depend on Trump’s actions whether the anti-US propaganda will be remain or disappear. "If he is well-disposed towards Russia, they will not criticize him, they will probably even praise him. There will be negative reports about the US elite, the military-industrial complex, Hillary Clinton and the ‘bad’ establishment."
Meanwhile, head of the Political Expert Group, Konstantin Kalachev, noted that "the intensity of the anti-American propaganda is likely to subside." "It turns out that it is not America that gave rise to enmity on our part but its inconsistency with our expectations. Now these expectations have come true, that was why the State Duma (lower house of parliament) applauded Trump’s victory."
Izvestia: Russian car exports in demand far beyond CISRussian automobile exports to countries that are not members of the Customs Union (Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus) doubled in the first eight months of this year, Izvestia writes. Due to the crisis, demand for Russian cars has plummeted, both domestically and in the CIS market, so car manufacturers are beginning to open new foreign markets for themselves.
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According to the Autostat analytical agency, 19,200 cars were exported to these countries between January and August 2016 compared to 9,000 within the same period last year. The largest number of cars - more than 3,300 - was sold in Germany. Russian-made cars were also in demand in Egypt, Latvia, Lebanon, Hungary and China. The most popular brands were Lada, Volkswagen and Hyundai.
"The partial reorientation in Russian car exports in favor of non-CIS countries is primarily due to a drop in hydrocarbon prices and subsequent devaluation in the national currencies of most post-Soviet states, which led to a drop in consumer demand," Daniil Kirikov, Managing Partner of Kirikov Group, told the paper.
He noted though that once the economic situation stabilizes in Russia and in countries that are its traditional automobile clients "export flows are likely to be shifted towards supplies to CIS markets."
Kommersant: Moscow-Kazan railway’s modernization picking up steamThe Russian Cabinet wants the largest infrastructure project in the country’s modern history - the Moscow-Kazan High-Speed Rail - to be upgraded, Kommersant writes citing a letter sent to the relevant agencies by the government’s Department of Industry and Infrastructure.
The 770-kilometer-long Moscow-Kazan railway project worth 1.2 trillion rubles ($20 bln) is due to be carried out in two stages - Moscow-Nizhny Novgorod and Nizhny Novgorod-Kazan.
Although negotiations with Chinese and German investors are in progress, government officials intend to double-check all key parameters, including passenger traffic, the cost and funding sources.
According to Pavel Ivankin, Director General of the Railway Transport Research Institute, the desire to modify the project before the development partner is chosen is a result of budgetary constraints forcing the government to use additional tools to reduce sovereign risks. In his view, a major risk is the volume of passenger traffic, which is affected by ticket prices.
Izvestia: Political experts to build strategies for Russia to fight PR warParticipants to the 2nd congress of the Russian Political Science Association opening in Kazan on November 11 are planning to send a report to the Russian Presidential Administration. Among the main issues that they will be addressing are how to sufficiently defend Russia from a media blitz and evaluating citizens’ political activism in the run-up to Russia’s presidential election campaign.
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The upcoming event will bring together experts from Russia, Europe, Latin America and CIS-member-countries, in addition to seasoned political scientists and federal agencies representatives. A key issue on the agenda is adapting the current political system to a new world order.
"Officials today are seeking to rely on scientific data collected by researchers," says Elena Shestopal, Head of the Political Sociology and Psychology Department at Moscow State University. "This is relevant, because in the run-up to long preparations for the election campaign it is extremely important for the authorities to understand what is going on with the public and how people react to certain political decisions."
According to Andrei Manoilo, member of the Russian Security Council’s Scientific Council, Western info-wars have always been there. However, it has become more fierce after Crimea’s incorporation into Russia. "Literally a day after that, our country became a target of a PR war," he said.
Vedomosti: Italy’s Enel selling Russian electric power plantsEnel Russia, the power generation company, can be sold as one unit, the Inter RAO energy holding company is eyeing the possibility of such a deal, three informed sources told Vedomosti. The deal could be inked as early as mid-December, one of them said. The sum of the deal has not been disclosed.
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Attracting foreign investors to the Russian energy sector was an important step, which pointed to the success of the reforms by the power major, RAO UES of Russia, says Natalia Porokhova, head of AKPA’s Research and Forecast Group. They were promised that the electric power industry would be liberalized. However, a lot was left to be done before the deadline, she said, adding that investors’ expectations about the future of the electricity market remain fairly conservative.
For the Inter RAO company, the purchase of Enel Russia looks logical, according to Vladimir Sklyar, an analyst with Renaissance Capital. If controlled by Inter RAO, Enel Russia’s power stations will be able to expect a 10-percent gas discount from Rosneft as well as coal from the Ekibastuz coal field (in northeastern Kazakhstan), since Inter RAO owns 50% of the Ekibastuz GRES-2 power station, the expert said.
Enel purchased a stake in Enel Russia in 2007 for 85 bln rubles (about 2.4 bln euros). The Italian company was the first foreign investor in the Russian electric power industry.
More:
http://tass.com/pressreview/911399
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
11-16-2016, 05:59 PM
Press review: changes in Russian political tune and new strategies in fighting PR warsPress Review (http://tass.com/pressreview)
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A reception at Spaso House, the residence of the US Ambassador to Russia© Vyacheslav Prokofiev/TASS
Nezavisimaya Gazeta: Trump’s victory may make Russia change its tuneMoscow’s rhetoric that has described the US as its chief adversary for quite some time can change as a result of Donald Trump’s victory in the US election, as evidenced by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s first statements, saying that Moscow is ready for rapprochement with America, Nezavisimaya Gazeta writes.
Read also
Brirish MP believes Trump’s victory indicates Americans want good relations with Russia (http://tass.com/world/911353)
Austrian expert says Trump's foreign policy should be focused on Russia and China (http://tass.com/world/911349)
Russian diplomat says Trump’s win no reason to ‘jump for joy’ (http://tass.com/politics/911313)
Analysts predict new US president Donald Trump may propose new world agenda (http://tass.com/world/911299)
However, the authorities will not be able to renounce anti-Americanism altogether, Nikolai Mironov, the head of the Center for Economic and Political Reforms, told the paper. According to Mironov, Russian media will now start saying that "the Putin administration will be able to come to terms with the US."
On the other hand, Alexei Makarkin, First Vice President of the Center for Political Technologies, believes that it will depend on Trump’s actions whether the anti-US propaganda will be remain or disappear. "If he is well-disposed towards Russia, they will not criticize him, they will probably even praise him. There will be negative reports about the US elite, the military-industrial complex, Hillary Clinton and the ‘bad’ establishment."
Meanwhile, head of the Political Expert Group, Konstantin Kalachev, noted that "the intensity of the anti-American propaganda is likely to subside." "It turns out that it is not America that gave rise to enmity on our part but its inconsistency with our expectations. Now these expectations have come true, that was why the State Duma (lower house of parliament) applauded Trump’s victory."
Izvestia: Russian car exports in demand far beyond CISRussian automobile exports to countries that are not members of the Customs Union (Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus) doubled in the first eight months of this year, Izvestia writes. Due to the crisis, demand for Russian cars has plummeted, both domestically and in the CIS market, so car manufacturers are beginning to open new foreign markets for themselves.
Read also
https://cdn2.tass.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20160824/1143749.jpg (http://tass.com/economy/895745)Russia's major car manufacturer presents six new concept cars (http://tass.com/economy/895745)
According to the Autostat analytical agency, 19,200 cars were exported to these countries between January and August 2016 compared to 9,000 within the same period last year. The largest number of cars - more than 3,300 - was sold in Germany. Russian-made cars were also in demand in Egypt, Latvia, Lebanon, Hungary and China. The most popular brands were Lada, Volkswagen and Hyundai.
"The partial reorientation in Russian car exports in favor of non-CIS countries is primarily due to a drop in hydrocarbon prices and subsequent devaluation in the national currencies of most post-Soviet states, which led to a drop in consumer demand," Daniil Kirikov, Managing Partner of Kirikov Group, told the paper.
He noted though that once the economic situation stabilizes in Russia and in countries that are its traditional automobile clients "export flows are likely to be shifted towards supplies to CIS markets."
Kommersant: Moscow-Kazan railway’s modernization picking up steamThe Russian Cabinet wants the largest infrastructure project in the country’s modern history - the Moscow-Kazan High-Speed Rail - to be upgraded, Kommersant writes citing a letter sent to the relevant agencies by the government’s Department of Industry and Infrastructure.
The 770-kilometer-long Moscow-Kazan railway project worth 1.2 trillion rubles ($20 bln) is due to be carried out in two stages - Moscow-Nizhny Novgorod and Nizhny Novgorod-Kazan.
Although negotiations with Chinese and German investors are in progress, government officials intend to double-check all key parameters, including passenger traffic, the cost and funding sources.
According to Pavel Ivankin, Director General of the Railway Transport Research Institute, the desire to modify the project before the development partner is chosen is a result of budgetary constraints forcing the government to use additional tools to reduce sovereign risks. In his view, a major risk is the volume of passenger traffic, which is affected by ticket prices.
Izvestia: Political experts to build strategies for Russia to fight PR warParticipants to the 2nd congress of the Russian Political Science Association opening in Kazan on November 11 are planning to send a report to the Russian Presidential Administration. Among the main issues that they will be addressing are how to sufficiently defend Russia from a media blitz and evaluating citizens’ political activism in the run-up to Russia’s presidential election campaign.
Read also
https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20161024/1150272.jpg (http://tass.com/politics/908365)Moscow says West is using mediasphere to stage aggressive anti-Russian campaigns (http://tass.com/politics/908365)
The upcoming event will bring together experts from Russia, Europe, Latin America and CIS-member-countries, in addition to seasoned political scientists and federal agencies representatives. A key issue on the agenda is adapting the current political system to a new world order.
"Officials today are seeking to rely on scientific data collected by researchers," says Elena Shestopal, Head of the Political Sociology and Psychology Department at Moscow State University. "This is relevant, because in the run-up to long preparations for the election campaign it is extremely important for the authorities to understand what is going on with the public and how people react to certain political decisions."
According to Andrei Manoilo, member of the Russian Security Council’s Scientific Council, Western info-wars have always been there. However, it has become more fierce after Crimea’s incorporation into Russia. "Literally a day after that, our country became a target of a PR war," he said.
Vedomosti: Italy’s Enel selling Russian electric power plantsEnel Russia, the power generation company, can be sold as one unit, the Inter RAO energy holding company is eyeing the possibility of such a deal, three informed sources told Vedomosti. The deal could be inked as early as mid-December, one of them said. The sum of the deal has not been disclosed.
Read also
https://cdn2.tass.ru/width/333_3412a45b/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20161005/1148087.jpg (http://tass.com/economy/904433)Italian minister: Politics can't be obstacle for good economic ties between Russia, Italy (http://tass.com/economy/904433)
Attracting foreign investors to the Russian energy sector was an important step, which pointed to the success of the reforms by the power major, RAO UES of Russia, says Natalia Porokhova, head of AKPA’s Research and Forecast Group. They were promised that the electric power industry would be liberalized. However, a lot was left to be done before the deadline, she said, adding that investors’ expectations about the future of the electricity market remain fairly conservative.
For the Inter RAO company, the purchase of Enel Russia looks logical, according to Vladimir Sklyar, an analyst with Renaissance Capital. If controlled by Inter RAO, Enel Russia’s power stations will be able to expect a 10-percent gas discount from Rosneft as well as coal from the Ekibastuz coal field (in northeastern Kazakhstan), since Inter RAO owns 50% of the Ekibastuz GRES-2 power station, the expert said.
Enel purchased a stake in Enel Russia in 2007 for 85 bln rubles (about 2.4 bln euros). The Italian company was the first foreign investor in the Russian electric power industry.
More:
http://tass.com/pressreview/911399
Moscow’s rhetoric that has described the US as its chief adversary for quite some time can change as a result of Donald Trump’s victory in the US election, as evidenced by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s first statements, saying that Moscow is ready for rapprochement with America, Nezavisimaya Gazeta writes.
^^^^^^ Although a good thing for us and the world, this news will be savaged and decried by the Trump haters and their allies in media ând U.S. government/dem party..--Tyr
^^^^^^ Although a good thing for us and the world, this news will be savaged and decried by the Trump haters and their allies in media ând U.S. government/dem party..--Tyr
Today in Montenegro.
http://bm.img.com.ua/nxs224/berlin/storage/news/600x500/8/f8/5b560dd6fbad08dde49f8536b3c08f88.jpg
Black Diamond
11-17-2016, 07:33 AM
^^^^^^ Although a good thing for us and the world, this news will be savaged and decried by the Trump haters and their allies in media ând U.S. government/dem party..--Tyr
It seems those folks would rather start World war 3.
It seems those folks would rather start World war 3.
I think they won't dare as they are aware. Russia and China are neither Yugoslavia, nor Iraq, nor Libya.
I do not think that they have lost the instinct of self-preservation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgxYK0iBHbI
Black Diamond
11-17-2016, 08:04 AM
I think they won't dare as they are aware. Russia and China are neither Yugoslavia, nor Iraq, nor Libya.
I do not think that they have lost the instinct of self-preservation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgxYK0iBHbI
Hillary Clinton may have gone that route.
Hillary Clinton may have gone that route.
It's another proof to saying 'Man proposes and God disposes' http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/friends.gif
NightTrain
11-17-2016, 09:41 AM
So, Balu, what is the general mood of normal, everyday Russians with the election of Trump?
Ambivalence or are there discussions of what the future holds for relations between our countries?
So, Balu, what is the general mood of normal, everyday Russians with the election of Trump?
Ambivalence or are there discussions of what the future holds for relations between our countries?
There is a cautious optimism that aggressive rhetoric can go back in time and there will be a constructive approach to solving the existing problems, understanding that each country has its own national interests. A prerequisite for this is that Trump is a businessman, and businessmen are used to negotiate but not saber-rattling.
Besides, there is a hope that there will not be so much fales and double standards when speaking of events that we have today.
Drummond
11-17-2016, 10:35 AM
There is a cautious optimism that aggressive rhetoric can go back in time and there will be a constructive approach to solving the existing problems, understanding that each country has its own national interests. A prerequisite for this is that Trump is a businessman, and businessmen are used to negotiate but not saber-rattling.
Besides, there is a hope that there will not be so much fales and double standards when speaking of events that we have today.
This all bodes well for our future.
But I can't help wondering how the new Trump Administration will view issues such as the annexation of Crimea by the Russians -- much less any other comparable plans Putin might have for that region of the world. Whatever might be said for Trump on various issues, I'd be truly amazed if he decided that freedom and liberty were things that could be overlooked, especially routinely so, as a matter of global political expedience.
My point is that IF we're on the cusp of a new and more cordial diplomatic arrangement between America and Russia, it shouldn't be seen by people such as Putin as something to be taken advantage of.
This all bodes well for our future.
But I can't help wondering how the new Trump Administration will view issues such as the annexation of Crimea by the Russians -- much less any other comparable plans Putin might have for that region of the world. Whatever might be said for Trump on various issues, I'd be truly amazed if he decided that freedom and liberty were things that could be overlooked, especially routinely so, as a matter of global political expedience.
My point is that IF we're on the cusp of a new and more cordial diplomatic arrangement between America and Russia, it shouldn't be seen by people such as Putin as something to be taken advantage of.
I'll repeat again. Trump is a businessman and he knows for sure that the best deals are those which are beneficial for both the Parties. They enable to create a long term reliable relations any businessmen is interested in. Otherwise there is a risk to make sure of the rightness of Bismarck who said:
'Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on Jesuit agreements you signed, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written on. Therefore, Russian or should play fair, or do not play.'
As to Crimea the question is closed. This is a territory of Russia. This is a choice those who live in Crimea which was confirmed by the referendum conducted in this former Ukrainian Republic during an armed coup d'etat organized and conducted by the West (*). When The legislative President of the country and the government were dismissed. For THAT time the Ukraine stopped existing de-jure.
(*) See the activity of Victoria Nuland and other western politicians that time (January-February 2014)
Drummond
11-17-2016, 11:31 AM
I'll repeat again. Trump is a businessman and he knows for sure that the best deals are those which are beneficial for both the Parties. They enable to create a long term reliable relations any businessmen is interested in. Otherwise there is a risk to make sure of the rightness of Bismarck who said:
'Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on Jesuit agreements you signed, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written on. Therefore, Russian or should play fair, or do not play.'
As to Crimea the question is closed. This is a territory of Russia. This is a choice those who live in Crimea which was confirmed by the referendum conducted in this former Ukrainian Republic during an armed coup d'etat organized and conducted by the West (*). When The legislative President of the country and the government were dismissed. For THAT time the Ukraine stopped existing de-jure.
(*) See the activity of Victoria Nuland and other western politicians that time (January-February 2014)
H'm.
Do I understand from this that you always expect Trump to be guided by expediency, and never by principle ?
Granted, yes, Trump is a businessman, and will have the psychology of one. But I think the Russian Government would be unwise to see Trump's Presidency as one where they can take whatever future liberties they feel like taking on the world stage. Perhaps, indeed, Crimea is a 'closed' matter ... this more down to the timing of it, I'd suggest, than any other consideration. But tell me ... if Russia makes more territory-grabs in that (or any other) region, would you expect Trump - 'because he's a businessman, first and foremost' - to just sit back and let the Russians do whatever they liked ?!?
I reject the idea that the world must forever be 'in thrall' to Russian military capabilities and never stand up for a principle, just because of it ! That's like saying that Hitler should've been allowed to permanently install his 'Third Reich' clear across Europe, and never be opposed, just because he had a strong military capability.
H'm.
Do I understand from this that you always expect Trump to be guided by expediency, and never by principle ? ...
In my opinion principles should be based on the Truth. Otherwise these are Dr. Goebbels principles: "The lie repeated hundred times becomes the Truth."
I was very much surprised when I learned from Fox News Moscow broke up an opposition demonstration under the palm trees.
https://s.mtk.re/img/2011/12/PALMTREES-520x383.jpg
But you used to believe what you are told, keeping your ears at the width of your shoulders without switching on the brains.
And no wonder, as you are very much restricted in obtaining the true info.
NightTrain
11-17-2016, 01:08 PM
There is a cautious optimism that aggressive rhetoric can go back in time and there will be a constructive approach to solving the existing problems, understanding that each country has its own national interests. A prerequisite for this is that Trump is a businessman, and businessmen are used to negotiate but not saber-rattling.
Besides, there is a hope that there will not be so much fales and double standards when speaking of events that we have today.
Hopefully things will improve, I'm glad to hear that Russians are optimistic... as most of us are, now, after 8 long years of embarrassment.
Hopefully things will improve, I'm glad to hear that Russians are optimistic... as most of us are, now, after 8 long years of embarrassment.
To be precise this is a cautious optimism.
We were taught lessons and we are not poor students.
And there is one peculiar thing. Implementation of sanctions against Russia caused the increase of foreign trade turnover between Russia and USA, the growth of the productive sector of our economy, made Russia the largest wheat exporter in the World and was harmful for EU.
I am really laughing remembering famous Obama's - 'We torn Russian economy into pieces'.
Isn't it funny? http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)
How funny it is to read this comments today. (Mind the dates of the comments)
https://www.quora.com/Was-President-Obama-wrong-for-dismissing-Russia-as-a-regional-power
Drummond
11-17-2016, 06:58 PM
In my opinion principles should be based on the Truth. Otherwise these are Dr. Goebbels principles: "The lie repeated hundred times becomes the Truth."
I was very much surprised when I learned from Fox News Moscow broke up an opposition demonstration under the palm trees.
https://s.mtk.re/img/2011/12/PALMTREES-520x383.jpg
But you used to believe what you are told, keeping your ears at the width of your shoulders without switching on the brains.
And no wonder, as you are very much restricted in obtaining the true info.
Well .... I'm British, not American. I can't vouch for Fox News's output (.. though since they have Conservative 'leanings', I'm inclined to trust them).
Your faith and trust in truth is most gratifying, Balu. It will stand you in good stead. I take it that this is one reason you come to a venue such as this site, to expand upon the limiting 'news' you get from your own people ?
For example - Crimea. 'A closed subject' it may be ... due chiefly to timing, as I said. Nonetheless, the 'referendum' held there about Crimea's future was considered illegal and untrustworthy. The Crimea situation was seen for what it was ... a Russian land-grab.
See this ... and before you criticise the West's 'right wing' media again, consider that the Guardian is one of the UK's chief LEFT WING media outlets !! ....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/crimea-referendum-sham-display-democracy-ukraine
-- There is a puppet government in Crimea that seized power at the point of a gun and is run by a party that won 4% of the vote at the last election. The streets are filled with menacing militia given arms but no training, supported by a variety of lethal-looking paramilitary groups and thousands of Russian soldiers who can be seen even on rooftops. Meanwhile events are dictated quite blatantly by Moscow; visitors to the Crimean prime minister's office say even his private secretary and press aide are from Russia, along with other advisers telling him what to do.
Throw in the closure of critical television channels, the beating of a few journalists, the intimidation of opposition activists, the lies about "provocations", and you get some of the backdrop to Sunday's vote. The referendum, forced through as fast as possible to confuse voters and outwit opponents, failed to offer Crimeans the status quo choice of remaining loyal to Kiev. Given such circumstances, it was little surprise it was boycotted by fearful Tartars and Ukrainians, who comprise more than one-third of the population. Indeed, not one person I spoke to over the past week who opposed the ballot intended to vote.
So the results and turnout claims should be treated with extreme caution.
Crimea may indeed be 'a closed matter' (because you prefer it that way ?). But a Government that's managed THIS, may well not stop there, but go on to attempt more land-grabs.
Should this happen ... well, Balu, what would you expect to see ? That Trump will sit idly by and say, and do, nothing at all, because as a businessman at heart, he sees a 'wider picture' that ignores international outrages ??
We shall see what the future holds. All being well, Russian 'adventurism' will have now ended and we in the wider world will see no more liberties being taken. But ... somehow, I doubt this. It is my hope that Putin doesn't interpret Trump's 'business mind' as one he can exploit for his own ends, with other countries suffering out of it. If he does ... well, I'd like to think that Trump will surprise him.
I hope so.
How funny it is to read this comments today. (Mind the dates of the comments)
https://www.quora.com/Was-President-Obama-wrong-for-dismissing-Russia-as-a-regional-power
Obama changed his boots in a jump. :laugh:
BERLIN, November 18. /TASS/. US President Barack Obama on Thursday evening described Russia as a military superpower with influence all around the world and Washington’s important partner.
"Russia is an important country. It is a military superpower. It has influence in the region and it has influence around the world," Obama said at a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin.
"And in order for us to solve many big problems around the world, it is in our interest to work with Russia and obtain their cooperation," he continued, adding that there were "some significant differences in how Russia views the world and how we view the world."
More:
http://tass.com/world/913174??utm_source=fark&utm_medium=refferal&utm_campaign=fark_tass.com
Drummond
11-18-2016, 07:28 AM
Obama changed his boots in a jump. :laugh:
BERLIN, November 18. /TASS/. US President Barack Obama on Thursday evening described Russia as a military superpower with influence all around the world and Washington’s important partner.
"Russia is an important country. It is a military superpower. It has influence in the region and it has influence around the world," Obama said at a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin.
"And in order for us to solve many big problems around the world, it is in our interest to work with Russia and obtain their cooperation," he continued, adding that there were "some significant differences in how Russia views the world and how we view the world."
More:
http://tass.com/world/913174??utm_source=fark&utm_medium=refferal&utm_campaign=fark_tass.com
I actually find myself agreeing with Obama on something !!!
He's correct on that one point. Russia does indeed view the world differently to everyone else. I'd suggest that this, if anything is, is the greatest single obstacle to good, and stable, relations between Russia and the rest of the world; notably, of course, America.
I fear a Putin who'll be so encouraged by a Trump era in the White House (i.e his understanding of what one will be), that he'll conclude he's totally free to take further liberties and be free of consequences from them. WILL he decide to land-grab somewhere else, thinking that nobody will object to it ??
Putin may well believe such a thing, not comprehending (nor caring to) that the wider world will CARE about such belligerence. You see, if WWII taught us anything, it is that belligerent leaders and powers, if unchecked, will just go on to trample on others. They'll continue until they're stopped.
I actually find myself agreeing with Obama on something !!!
He's correct on that one point. Russia does indeed view the world differently to everyone else. I'd suggest that this, if anything is, is the greatest single obstacle to good, and stable, relations between Russia and the rest of the world; notably, of course, America.
I fear a Putin who'll be so encouraged by a Trump era in the White House (i.e his understanding of what one will be), that he'll conclude he's totally free to take further liberties and be free of consequences from them. WILL he decide to land-grab somewhere else, thinking that nobody will object to it ??
Putin may well believe such a thing, not comprehending (nor caring to) that the wider world will CARE about such belligerence. You see, if WWII taught us anything, it is that belligerent leaders and powers, if unchecked, will just go on to trample on others. They'll continue until they're stopped.
1. The USA and their satellites are not "the rest of the World".
2. To meet the will of people to return to their Mother land Russia (see results of the Crimea referendum) after the West financed, organized and conducted armed Nazi coup in Ukraine, IS NOT a "land-grabbing". Even the Ukrainian troops in Crimea (over 20,000 of personnel, structured armed located in their barracks, the quantity EQUAL to the quantity of Russian military personnel who were in the Crimea on the basis of an intergovernmental agreement) they did not want to defend already gone Ukraine where legal president and government were overthrown by armed thrillers trained beforehand by Western countries. This is what the West did with Ukraine. In a corse of this "occupation" there were no casualties and no one wounded. Rather strange picture if speak in terms "occupation", "land-grab" and compare it with what has been done to Belgrade (Yugoslavia).
So, stop lying as your propaganda is doing, but switch on your brains.
Drummond
11-18-2016, 10:39 AM
1. The USA and their satellites are not "the rest of the World".
2. To meet the will of people to return to their Mother land Russia (see results of the Crimea referendum) after the West financed, organized and conducted armed Nazi coup in Ukraine, IS NOT a "land-grabbing". Even the Ukrainian troops in Crimea (over 20,000 of personnel, structured armed located in their barracks, the quantity EQUAL to the quantity of Russian military personnel who were in the Crimea on the basis of an intergovernmental agreement) they did not want to defend already gone Ukraine where legal president and government were overthrown by armed thrillers trained beforehand by Western countries. This is what the West did with Ukraine. In a corse of this "occupation" there were no casualties and no one wounded. Rather strange picture if speak in terms "occupation", "land-grab" and compare it with what has been done to Belgrade (Yugoslavia).
So, stop lying as your propaganda is doing, but switch on your brains.
Thank you, Balu.
Well, now ... I'd say much of what I assert has just been proven ! Indeed, Russians DO view the world differently to the rest of us. Clearly, also, they're not above trying to claim a moral high ground on the back of accusations which cannot be reputably defended.
So much could be achieved diplomatically, it seems to me, if only Russia could wake up to realities in this world, and take its responsibility for them. A diplomatic 'reset' could then be achieved. Instead, we see a propaganda effort to simply maintain the status quo.
Well, will Putin's belligerence continue ... or not ? Hopefully not. But, time will tell.
Thank you, Balu.
Well, now ... I'd say much of what I assert has just been proven ! Indeed, Russians DO view the world differently to the rest of us. Clearly, also, they're not above trying to claim a moral high ground on the back of accusations which cannot be reputably defended.
So much could be achieved diplomatically, it seems to me, if only Russia could wake up to realities in this world, and take its responsibility for them. A diplomatic 'reset' could then be achieved. Instead, we see a propaganda effort to simply maintain the status quo.
Well, will Putin's belligerence continue ... or not ? Hopefully not. But, time will tell.
The reality of nowadays world was perfectly expressed by the words of a kid in one of Hans Christian Andersen tales - "The King is naked." Your lie you are basing on for a long time won't work anymore.
And as to YOUR propaganda DO enjoy the results of magic Russian bombs which having destroyed the school in Syria didn't destroy the roof of a building, leave no bombshell and neither burst wave, nor bomb fragments even didn't disturbed peacefully standing school desks. :cool:
https://cdn3.img.ria.ru/images/148010/43/1480104313.jpg
Drummond
11-18-2016, 05:51 PM
The reality of nowadays world was perfectly expressed by the words of a kid in one of Hans Christian Andersen tales - "The King is naked." Your lie you are basing on for a long time won't work anymore.
And as to YOUR propaganda DO enjoy the results of magic Russian bombs which having destroyed the school in Syria didn't destroy the roof of a building, leave no bombshell and neither burst wave, nor bomb fragments even didn't disturbed peacefully standing school desks. :cool:
https://cdn3.img.ria.ru/images/148010/43/1480104313.jpg
Why do you always go back to boasting about military capabilities?
You have the prospect, a real opportunity, of a new, peaceful, coexistence with America. OK .. if both America and Russia see eye-to-eye when it comes to cooperation, that's one thing.
But that's not how I read your posting. You seem to be saying 'American friendship is welcome, but never forget our might if you cross us'.
Well ... WILL Trump want to give you any degree of diplomatic subservience ? If he's the man I think he is ... I really don't think so.
Putin would be a fool to play a diplomatic hand which would require it.
You've one very good way of getting along with the West, Balu. Just drop all the arrogance ! If Trump wants to offer Putin a hand of friendship, Putin and Trump should have a meeting of minds that serves that aim. Not one where Putin thinks he can have room to exploit it.
Why do you always go back to boasting about military capabilities?
There are several reasons. One of them is that a country which is able to design, construct and manufacture own unique and the most advanced armament, obtain own satellite positioning system (GLONASS), and giving lifts to foreigners to visit ISS is not a country with an economy torn into pieces as the Presidents of some countries trying to convince others. Those who are not complete idiots understand how many branches of industry are engaged in the manufacturing process. And all this Russia managed to do independently without any external aid.
As to the other reasons I prefer not to speak about them not to hurt others who know nothing about Russia and are not accustomed to think.
And, please, don't treat my posts as aggressive or offensive. OK? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/friends.gif
Drummond
11-19-2016, 05:24 AM
There are several reasons. One of them is that a country which is able to design, construct and manufacture own unique and the most advanced armament, obtain own satellite positioning system (GLONASS), and giving lifts to foreigners to visit ISS is not a country with an economy torn into pieces as the Presidents of some countries trying to convince others. Those who are not complete idiots understand how many branches of industry are engaged in the manufacturing process. And all this Russia managed to do independently without any external aid.
As to the other reasons I prefer not to speak about them not to hurt others who know nothing about Russia and are not accustomed to think.
And, please, don't treat my posts as aggressive or offensive. OK? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/friends.gif
You're still boasting, though. 'Unique' ... really ? 'Most advanced armament' ... I seriously doubt Americans would accept such a boast. Oh, I'm not saying that your country's achievements deserve to be downplayed, as such .. just that the US has rather more to offer in terms of advanced weaponry than your country's propagandists would be willing to concede.
The 'giving lifts to foreigners to visit ISS' boast is one of one-upmanship ... and Balu, one-upmanship isn't about promoting a meeting of 'equals', rather, it's an attempt to try and push a perception of outright superiority.
What feelings of comradeship are you hoping to inspire, from such a message ?
Consider this, too. You say that Russia managed what it has 'independently without any external aid'. Well, are you sure of that ? Two points come to mind: one, much of what is true of Russia today has to be viewed as a follow-on from what the old Soviet Union itself managed. I ask - how much of that came from leeching resources from the USSR's satellite countries, prior to its demise ? Two, how much of your 'progress' has had its roots in past spying activities, with secrets from the West aiding you ?
For example:-
https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1942-1945/espionage.htm
Of the Soviet spies not caught during the war, one of the most valuable was the British physicist Klaus Fuchs. Fuchs first offered his services to Soviet intelligence in late 1941. Soon thereafter, he began passing information regarding British atomic research. Soviet intelligence lost contact with him in early 1944 but eventually found out that Fuchs had been reassigned to the bomb research and development laboratory at Los Alamos as part of the newly-arrived contingent of British scientists. Fuchs worked in the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos, and from there he passed to his Soviet handlers detailed information regarding atomic weapons design. Returning home to begin work on the British atomic program in 1946, he continued to pass secret information to the Soviet Union intermittently until he was finally caught (largely due to VENONA), and in January 1950 he confessed everything.
I don't know - maybe Russian historians have come up with an alternative version, and you'd call the above account 'lies'.
Regardless, I suggest you'd be foolish to downplay the West's own inventiveness, expertise and capabilities.
As for sanctions against Russia, I doubt you'd find agreement here that none of them harmed Russia ! Maybe Obama has liked to exaggerate their effects .. I can believe it. But I'm also sure that they HAVE had an effect.
Why were they ever applied in the first place ? What do your propagandists tell you about that ?
Does this following link report 'lies' ?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/whats-been-the-effect-of-western-sanctions-on-russia/
You're still boasting, though. 'Unique' ... really ? 'Most advanced armament' ... I seriously doubt Americans would accept such a boast. Oh, I'm not saying that your country's achievements deserve to be downplayed, as such .. just that the US has rather more to offer in terms of advanced weaponry than your country's propagandists would be willing to concede. (1)
The 'giving lifts to foreigners to visit ISS' boast is one of one-upmanship ... and Balu, one-upmanship isn't about promoting a meeting of 'equals', rather, it's an attempt to try and push a perception of outright superiority.
What feelings of comradeship are you hoping to inspire, from such a message ?
Consider this, too. You say that Russia managed what it has 'independently without any external aid'. Well, are you sure of that ? Two points come to mind: one, much of what is true of Russia today has to be viewed as a follow-on from what the old Soviet Union itself managed. I ask - how much of that came from leeching resources from the USSR's satellite countries, prior to its demise ? Two, how much of your 'progress' has had its roots in past spying activities, with secrets from the West aiding you ?
For example:-
https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Events/1942-1945/espionage.htm
I don't know - maybe Russian historians have come up with an alternative version, and you'd call the above account 'lies'.
Regardless, I suggest you'd be foolish to downplay the West's own inventiveness, expertise and capabilities.
As for sanctions against Russia, I doubt you'd find agreement here that none of them harmed Russia ! Maybe Obama has liked to exaggerate their effects .. I can believe it. But I'm also sure that they HAVE had an effect.
Why were they ever applied in the first place ? What do your propagandists tell you about that ?
Does this following link report 'lies' ?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/whats-been-the-effect-of-western-sanctions-on-russia/
You want me to start convincing you that you are wrong? - I won't. And the reason is - the level of your awareness and your habit to think in blinkers of your ideological propaganda. I don't think that you are basing on the sources of open specialized issues, not to mention other - classified. Sure, you are not engaged in in a sphere you trying to speak about: intelligence, contr-intelligence, construction and technology of manufacturing. Do trust me the chaps from NSA, CIA, MI-6, Mossad, FSB (former KGB) GRU and others, they work out the bread that is eaten.
And do start to think! When speaking about the 'sanctions' have in mind that any medal has two sides. And to compare advantages and disadvantages of them, for sure they are for our favor as they work as catalyzer for restructuring of our economy still significantly depending on crude oil and gas. And more: implementing sanctions the West counted to achieve certain results which appeared to be on the contrary to the expected. What is the conclusion? - The West has no levers to steer Russia. The sooner you understand this - the better. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)
Drummond
11-19-2016, 06:49 PM
You want me to start convincing you that you are wrong? - I won't. And the reason is - the level of your awareness and your habit to think in blinkers of your ideological propaganda. I don't think that you are basing on the sources of open specialized issues, not to mention other - classified. Sure, you are not engaged in in a sphere you trying to speak about: intelligence, contr-intelligence, construction and technology of manufacturing. Do trust me the chaps from NSA, CIA, MI-6, Mossad, FSB (former KGB) GRU and others, they work out the bread that is eaten.
And do start to think! When speaking about the 'sanctions' have in mind that any medal has two sides. And to compare advantages and disadvantages of them, for sure they are for our favor as they work as catalyzer for restructuring of our economy still significantly depending on crude oil and gas. And more: implementing sanctions the West counted to achieve certain results which appeared to be on the contrary to the expected. What is the conclusion? - The West has no levers to steer Russia. The sooner you understand this - the better. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)
Your posts just confirm, repeatedly, what I believe to be true about your own mindset.
Pride in one's country - as a patriotic feeling - is laudable. BUT, it needs to be felt, exercised, with a mind open to truth. Yours is clearly coloured by the rose-tinted glasses through which you believe your country can be seen to be upstanding on the world stage.
Facts we know to be true -- the circumstances of Crimea and its takeover, Putin's obviously belligerent attitude internationally, that this reflects what's long been true of Russia over generations -- you're as disinterested either in recognising it or learning a necessary lesson from it, as ever. This is why, Balu, Russia and her intentions, no matter how friendly we try to be, will always be likely to be distrusted.
This COULD change for the better, if only there were the will to make it happen. But Russia's longing for empire-building, and keeping its population blinded to the truth of that, won't - it seems - change.
The West has a different psychology to you. We do not seek to 'rule' Russia in any way. We never did. We only want her to behave as a respectable member of the world community should. It's really THAT simple.
Facts we know to be true -- the circumstances of Crimea and its takeover, Putin's obviously belligerent attitude internationally, that this reflects what's long been true of Russia over generations -- you're as disinterested either in recognising it or learning a necessary lesson from it, as ever. This is why, Balu, Russia and her intentions, no matter how friendly we try to be, will always be likely to be distrusted.
Pls, do enjoy morning cold shower. Hope it will make you sober.
(The documentary film of the events in Ukraine shot by Oliver Stone "Ukraine on fire"/Forbidden in the USA, EU and Ukraine). See the reason why Crimea escaped from Nazi Ukraine which you made from rather peaceful and more or less neutral country.
Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mhlZHohgCE
Full movie (if it doesn't work try to find it in English yourself)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZZjRDkad9A
Thanks to Russian Crimeans managed to avoid all this in THEIR land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Jme77Dfc4
Drummond
11-20-2016, 07:56 AM
Pls, do enjoy morning cold shower. Hope it will make you sober.
(The documentary film of the events in Ukraine shot by Oliver Stone "Ukraine on fire"/Forbidden in the USA, EU and Ukraine). See the reason why Crimea escaped from Nazi Ukraine which you made from rather peaceful and more or less neutral country.
Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mhlZHohgCE
Full movie (if it doesn't work try to find it in English yourself)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZZjRDkad9A
'Nazi Ukraine', eh ? Tut tut. Enjoy your own morning cold shower (probably tomorrow's, now ..).
Who commissioned, or arranged, the videos you're happy to supply ? We can all come up with articles, videos, any manner of material, which has been produced by people furthering a particular agenda. What matters is to produce real TRUTH, truth untainted by such an agenda.
Putin had his agenda (no doubt still does ..) .. of which land-grabbing Crimea was a part. The West in general rejected the 'referendum' there as illegal, its conduct highly dubious, the speed at which it was carried out, ditto. You can try to canvass for opinion here, to get agreement with you that the Crimea Referendum was fair and that Crimea legitimately belongs as part of any new 'mini-Soviet' empire Putin wants to build, but somehow I very much doubt you'll get it. Why ? Because Western sources, being untainted by the Putin propaganda machine, have reported FAIRLY on what actually happened !
Besides which, I'm sure many of us have memories of the old Soviet Union .. and what happened in Hungary, in 1956. Or Czechoslovakia, in 1968. Or Afghanistan, 1980. Russia DOES have its history of empirical land-grabs !!
'Nazi Ukraine'. Really ?? Since when was it 'Nazi' to fight for freedom from Russian dominance ?? Ukraine wants to keep its freedom. Indeed, it's desperate to do so (I'm sure they still remember the seven million dead, under Stalin !). And you demonise them for it !!!
Have a nice cold shower ...:rolleyes:
...The West in general rejected the 'referendum' there as illegal,
No wonder. These methods are unacceptable for the West as there is no casualties and blood.
Bombardments and missile attacks this is the traditional proper democratic approach to solve the problems.
I won't enumerate the countries where you applied it after mass false propaganda and washing brains in your Media. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/grin.gif
http://cs4.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2015-02_2/14235042805966.jpg
For you even the blood of the others' CHILDREN means NOTHING if YOUR interests are concerned when speaking about exceptional nation, and their vassals. Be prepared, we will no longer allow you to do such things. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE
Drummond
11-20-2016, 09:02 AM
No wonder. These methods are unacceptable for the West as there is no casualties and blood.
Bombardments and missile attacks this is the traditional proper democratic approach to solve the problems.
I won't enumerate the countries where you applied it after mass false propaganda and washing brains in your Media. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/grin.gif
http://cs4.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2015-02_2/14235042805966.jpg
For you even the blood of the others' CHILDREN means NOTHING if YOUR interests are concerned when speaking about exceptional nation, and their vassals. Be prepared, we will no longer allow you to do such things. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE
Tut tut, Balu ... you've really shot yourself in the foot with this latest offering !
So, your only half-way coherent reply is an anti-Western rant ? Balu, people here will see your latest post in its true light. They will NOT like your anti-Westernism.
By the way, I see from my own media reports of the catastrophic bombardments happening in Syria ... these include hospital facilities wiped out. Where in those reports was there anything of the 'precision bombing' you've boasted about ?
Terrorists need to be wiped out. AGREED. But ... how about innocents, caught up in all of this ?
Drummond
11-20-2016, 09:23 AM
Regarding Oliver Stone, Balu (one of your 'sources' for the video clips you offered) ...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/05/oliver-stone-s-latest-dictator-suckup.html
Who needs Russia Today when you have Oliver Stone?
That’s the question Russian President Vladimir Putin ought to be asking himself in light of the film director’s latest foray into the anti-American conspiracy genre. “Excuse my absence these past weeks,” Stone announced last week on his Facebook page, the oracular tone an appropriate introduction for the half-baked pronouncements to follow.
Stone had recently returned from a trip to Moscow, where he had conducted a four-hour interview with Viktor Yanukovych, the former president of Ukraine who, after his security forces killed some 100 demonstrators protesting his corrupt rule last February, escaped to Russia. Moscow’s subsequent annexation of Crimea and its ongoing invasion of Eastern Ukraine have raised tensions between East and West to levels not seen since the Cold War.
Stone interviewed Yanukovych for “an English language documentary produced by Ukrainians,” with which he no doubt hopes to impress Putin. In November, Stone revealed that he wishes to make a film about the Russian strongman, who “represents a different point of view that Americans don’t hear.” Such homage would, alongside previous works on Fidel Castro and the late Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, complete a trifecta of adoring portraits devoted to thuggish autocrats.
Understanding that Stone’s ultimate goal is to obtain Putin’s cooperation on his next feature provides important context for the director’s social media ramblings .....
'No bias there, then'. No ulterior motive for his video ... eh, Balu ?
The USSR's history of contempt for human life is very well known over here, Balu. Seven million alone, under Stalin, died horrible deaths from mass starvation in Ukraine ! Who knows how many died under the Afghanistan invasion of 1980, or, during the many military actions necessary to consolidate power when the USSR's empire expanded, to include, for example, East Germany ?
On these grounds alone, Balu, Russia has a truly lamentable record. And what now ... from your rant, do I presume that you see yourselves in some new 'world policeman' role ???
What ON EARTH could EVER qualify Russia for any such role ????
... Balu, people here will see your latest post in its true light. They will NOT like your anti-Westernism (1).
By the way, I see from my own media reports of the catastrophic bombardments happening in Syria (2) ... these include hospital facilities wiped out. Where in those reports was there anything of the 'precision bombing' you've boasted about ?
Terrorists need to be wiped out. AGREED. But ... how about innocents, caught up in all of this ?
1. The Truth and pills may be bitter and no wonder they will not like them.
2. Your Media give no PROOFS. Only words full of lies, fake pictures and baseless accusations you are not able or do not want to analyze. I understand, this is extremely difficult task when people used to live with blinkers at your eyes and ears at the width of the shoulders, perfectly suit to put spaghetti on. I understand GB has no these facilities, but the USA has the space reconnaissance. But it is very strange that they are too shy to present them.
You must have remembered that a couple days back the representative of State Department was unable to tell the towns and the hospitals destroyed by Russian aviation, answering the question of RT correspondent. :laugh:
http://tsargrad.tv/uploads/55/6%D0%BE%D0%BA/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B2.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV80Wec9IBs
Drummond
11-20-2016, 04:30 PM
1. The Truth and pills may be bitter and no wonder they will not like them.
2. Your Media give no PROOFS. Only words full of lies, fake pictures and baseless accusations you are not able or do not want to analyze. I understand, this is extremely difficult task when people used to live with blinkers at your eyes and ears at the width of the shoulders, perfectly suit to put spaghetti on. I understand GB has no these facilities, but the USA has the space reconnaissance. But it is very strange that they are too shy to present them.
You must have remembered that a couple days back the representative of State Department was unable to tell the towns and the hospitals destroyed by Russian aviation, answering the question of RT correspondent. :laugh:
http://tsargrad.tv/uploads/55/6%D0%BE%D0%BA/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B2.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV80Wec9IBs
Ridiculous.
RT, eh ? OK. RT, alias 'Russia Today', is funded by THE KREMLIN. But NATURALLY, you'll always get pro-Russian propaganda from them !
See ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/sara-firth-resigns-russia-today-lies-anchor_n_5598815.html
Corespondent Sara Firth’s announcement came nearly two hours after she stated on Twitter that RT anchors “do work for Putin” and spread “lies,” in a conversation with RT London correspondent Polly Boiko. Firth alleged that the network asks its anchors to “obscure the truth,” and now she is saying she’s had enough.
Don't forget to 'ignore' this TRUTH ... coming from an ex-RT journalist !!
You want proof of the propagandist nature of the stuff you're peddling ? Well, I've just given you some. Admit I'm right !
Of course, you'll do no such thing ....
Ridiculous.
RT, eh ? OK. RT, alias 'Russia Today', is funded by THE KREMLIN. But NATURALLY, you'll always get pro-Russian propaganda from them !
See ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/sara-firth-resigns-russia-today-lies-anchor_n_5598815.html
Don't forget to 'ignore' this TRUTH ... coming from an ex-RT journalist !!
You want proof of the propagandist nature of the stuff you're peddling ? Well, I've just given you some. Admit I'm right !
Of course, you'll do no such thing ....
I've already said I have no intention to convince you and others in anything. I set myself realistic goals but not to win your mendacious propaganda machine. How it looks, those who wanted, could have seen even in the recent election campaign in the USA.
I see you remain blind and deaf to the truthful facts I gave as examples. So, further argument is useless and an ordinary waste of time.
As examples of brain washing I would propose you to think over at your leisure how TWO Boeings managed to destroy THREE buildings (the third is Building #17 standing next to the twins), how the passenger jet could fly at 500 nautical miles per hour at an earth level, and how the flame of burning jet fuel could burn in vapor engine blades and landing gear of the aircraft crashed into the Pentagon.
Sure it is a personal taste, but I don't like and and i won't permit anybody and any propaganda make a fool of ME. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)
Drummond
11-20-2016, 06:40 PM
I've already said I have no intention to convince you and others in anything. I set myself realistic goals but not to win your mendacious propaganda machine. How it looks, those who wanted, could have seen even in the recent election campaign in the USA.
I see you remain blind and deaf to the truthful facts I gave as examples. So, further argument is useless and an ordinary waste of time.
As examples of brain washing I would propose you to think over at your leisure how TWO Boeings managed to destroy THREE buildings (the third is Building #17 standing next to the twins), how the passenger jet could fly at 500 nautical miles per hour at an earth level, and how the flame of burning jet fuel could burn in vapor engine blades and landing gear of the aircraft crashed into the Pentagon.
Sure it is a personal taste, but I don't like and and i won't permit anybody and any propaganda make a fool of ME. http://s19.rimg.info/aee19e2775457d135efdf745e7d94e15.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1224821991.html)
You expect me to swallow your propaganda. Propaganda from Oliver Stone, who, as I've shown you, has a heavy pro-Russian bias (indeed, Putin wouldn't have given him the time of day, otherwise !). Propaganda, also, from Russia Today, a station funded by the Kremlin, which I'm supposed to believe would produce objective reports, even though journalists have RESIGNED from that station, because they don't report fairly and properly !!
But I'm encouraged by your final sentence. May I interpret it as, henceforth, your pledge NOT to be taken in by Putin's self-serving rot ? In which case .. you'll cease, as of now, to peddle and believe in RT's stuff .. agreed ?
As for your 'Boeing' claim, this is the very first I've heard of THREE buildings being involved. More RT disinformation ? But never mind. America is not my country. I'll leave it to an American - if anyone feels so inclined - to tell us what's the actual truth there.
No doubt you'll deny anything you're told, though. Still, we'll see. Please prove me wrong on that if you've a mind to ...
You expect me to swallow your propaganda. ...
Oh, no!
I expect nothing from you. I see who I'm talking with and I know what I can expect. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/personal/pooh_go.gif
Drummond
11-20-2016, 07:00 PM
Oh, no!
I expect nothing from you. I see who I'm talking with and I know what I can expect. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/personal/pooh_go.gif
A better representation of myself, rushing to buy my latest copy of the Daily Mail (or possibly the Express), I've yet to see !!:rolleyes:
How's your boycott of Russia Today coming along ? If their OWN journalists quit them, why can't you ??
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