Lack of #NeverHillary Movement Reveals No Principle on the Left [Archive] - Debate Policy

red states rule

10-30-2016, 06:24 AM

Modern day liberals were never accused of having principals anyway

All that matters to them is power and control over as many people as possible

Unless a political earthquake of cataclysmic proportions strikes presently, in just a few days one of the most notoriously corrupt and immoral candidates ever nominated for the office will be elected the 45th President of the United States.
Somehow the architect of arguably the most disastrous foreign policy tenure in American history -- one that included the clumsy withdrawal from Iraq, the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS, bewildering support of disastrous international coups, the fall of Mosul, Iran’s dangerous influence in the Middle East, Russia’s unchallenged belligerence against Europe, and nuclear proliferation in rogue states -- is poised to become “Madame President.”
What seemed unthinkable a year ago appears all but accomplished today. So how did this happen, and who is to blame? Since this national catastrophe has been unfolding like a slow-motion civilizational train wreck, it allows us the unique opportunity to consider a “pre-election post-mortem.”
So let me begin with the group I have been associated with: the #NeverTrump movement. The frustration from Trump-supporting Republicans is understandable as they shout, “How can you live with yourself knowing that you didn’t do all you could to prevent a Hillary presidency?”
The truth is, all of us opposed to Hillary are doing all our consciences will allow us to do in that regard. For some, that includes voting for Trump -- one of Hillary’s financial backers that many of us believe threatens the long-term efficacy and viability of the conservative movement far more than Clinton ever could; for others of us, we can’t do it.
If we #NeverTrumpers have failed to stop Hillary, that happened in the primary season when we couldn’t stop the Republicans from nominating the one man seemingly capable of losing a national election to Hillary Clinton. We are no more to blame for this calamity than those who supported Donald Trump when there were at least 15 better primary options.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/10/lack_of_neverhillary_movement_reveals_no_principle _on_the_left.html

Noir

10-30-2016, 06:36 AM

So is the corollary of this that #nevertrump people have principles?

OCA

10-30-2016, 06:38 AM

So is the corollary of this that #nevertrump people have principles?

Hahahaha :clap:

bullypulpit

10-30-2016, 07:11 AM

Modern day liberals were never accused of having <s>principals</s> (principles) anyway

All that matters to them is power and control over as many people as possible

Well aren't we snippy. Just because liberal ideals don't comport with your narrow, authoritarian, doctrinaire and absolutist ideals does not imply a lack of principles.
What DOES indicate a lack of principles is unwavering support, for the election to President of the United States, of a man who will stand trial for fraud and the rape of a minor.
Your hypocrisy is apparent.

red states rule

10-30-2016, 07:14 AM

So is the corollary of this that #nevertrump people have principles?

The point is (and one that went over your head) there are many on the left who refuse to back Hillary

Some are Bernie Sanders supporters who now know how Hillary and the Dem party who conspired against him

Some are Dems who see the blatant corruption of Hillary and cannot vote to her

But for the most part, many elected Dems blindly support Hilary and continue to ignore the felonies she has committed

BTW this morning the Washington Post daily tracking poll has Hillary up by 2 points

Seven days ago her lead was 12 points

OCA

10-30-2016, 07:15 AM

Well aren't we snippy. Just because liberal ideals don't comport with your narrow, authoritarian, doctrinaire and absolutist ideals does not imply a lack of principles.
What DOES indicate a lack of principles is unwavering support, for the election to President of the United States, of a man who will stand trial for fraud and the rape of a minor.
Your hypocrisy is apparent.

Might as well just wear a big scarlet letter.

red states rule

10-30-2016, 07:15 AM

Well aren't we snippy. Just because liberal ideals don't comport with your narrow, authoritarian, doctrinaire and absolutist ideals does not imply a lack of principles.
What DOES indicate a lack of principles is unwavering support, for the election to President of the United States, of a man who will stand trial for fraud and the rape of a minor.
Your hypocrisy is apparent.

I am well aware the liberals do not care about Hillary committing perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, mail fraud, and accepting bribes"

In fact with you, with Hillary they are resume enhancements

Noir

10-30-2016, 07:30 AM

The point is (and one that went over your head) there are many on the left who refuse to back Hillary

Some are Bernie Sanders supporters who now know how Hillary and the Dem party who conspired against him

Some are Dems who see the blatant corruption of Hillary and cannot vote to her

But for the most part, many elected Dems blindly support Hilary and continue to ignore the felonies she has committed

BTW this morning the Washington Post daily tracking poll has Hillary up by 2 points

Seven days ago her lead was 12 points

if her lead has dropped 10 points in 7 days then doesn't that mean that Hilary supporters are not blindly following her and are reacting to the endless list of past actions being brought to light?

Your message seems confused -
Lack of #neverHilary releaves no principles, implying the non-lack of #neverTrump is principled.
And will spouting a 'dems will vote for Hillary no matter what' kinda line (presumably becuase you think they lack principles) followed by 'she dropped 10 points in two days' =/

Noir

10-30-2016, 07:32 AM

Well aren't we snippy. Just because liberal ideals don't comport with your narrow, authoritarian, doctrinaire and absolutist ideals does not imply a lack of principles.
What DOES indicate a lack of principles is unwavering support, for the election to President of the United States, of a man who will stand trial for fraud and the rape of a minor.
Your hypocrisy is apparent.

Or, you know, both are terrible people who no-one should want to vote for.

OCA

10-30-2016, 07:33 AM

if her lead has dropped 10 points in 7 days then doesn't that mean that Hilary supporters are not blindly following her and are reacting to the endless list of past actions being brought to light?

Your message seems confused -
Lack of #neverHilary releaves no principles, implying the non-lack of #neverTrump is principled.
And will spouting a 'dems will vote for Hillary no matter what' kinda line (presumably becuase you think they lack principles) followed by 'she dropped 10 points in two days' =/

Way, way too logical!

red states rule

10-30-2016, 07:34 AM

if her lead has dropped 10 points in 7 days then doesn't that mean that Hilary supporters are not blindly following her and are reacting to the endless list of past actions being brought to light?

Your message seems confused -
Lack of #neverHilary releaves no principles, implying the non-lack of #neverTrump is principled.
And will spouting a 'dems will vote for Hillary no matter what' kinda line (presumably becuase you think they lack principles) followed by 'she dropped 10 points in two days' =/

Try and read slowly

I have yet to see any elected Democrats, or members of the liberal media - drop Hillary. No matter what she has said or done they will continue to support her

No try reading this several times and perhaps it will sink in

Noir

10-30-2016, 07:39 AM

Try and read slowly

I have yet to see any elected Democrats, or members of the liberal media - drop Hillary. No matter what she has said or done they will continue to support her

No try reading this several times and perhaps it will sink in

What I do see is conservatives jumping on republicans who do speak out against Trump.
So the question is do you want republicans to be more like the democrats, and spout a 'Pro-Trump' line no matter what their personal opinions/principles are, or do you want the democrats to be more like the republicans and give their personal negative opinions of Clinton?

bullypulpit

10-30-2016, 08:28 AM

I am well aware the liberals do not care about Hillary committing perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, mail fraud, and accepting bribes"

If you have evidence to support these allegations, by all means...:link:

red states rule

10-30-2016, 08:47 AM

If you have evidence to support these allegations, by all means...:link:

I have posted it before and you have ignored it every time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXhn2K9Wwn4

fj1200

10-31-2016, 11:59 AM

What I do see is Republicans jumping on conservatives who do speak out against Trump.

Fixed it for ya. :thumb:

Bilgerat

10-31-2016, 04:28 PM

if her lead has dropped 10 points in 7 days then doesn't that mean that Hilary supporters are not blindly following her and are reacting to the endless list of past actions being brought to light?

Your message seems confused -
Lack of #neverHilary releaves no principles, implying the non-lack of #neverTrump is principled.
And will spouting a 'dems will vote for Hillary no matter what' kinda line (presumably becuase you think they lack principles) followed by 'she dropped 10 points in two days' =/

I heard the pundits of Morning Joe actually try to back and fill by claiming that the polls had been "oversampled" and leaned Democrat, so they were actually correcting and that Trump WASN'T closing the gap

red states rule

11-03-2016, 03:25 AM

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