Pardons

[Abbey Marie]

In light of the FBI reopening the server investigation, can Obama pardon Hillary before she is even convicted?

[jimnyc]

I did a search and came up with this. :(

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Pre-emptive Presidential Pardons
Can you be pardoned for a crime before you're ever charged?

With six months to go before President Bush leaves office, the White House is receiving a flurry of pardon applications. The New York Times reported that "several members of the conservative legal community" are pushing for the White House to grant pre-emptive pardons for officials involved in counterterrorism programs. Wait—can a president really pardon someone who hasn't even been charged with a crime?

Yep. In 1866, the Supreme Court ruled in Ex parte Garland that the pardon power "extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment." (In that case, a former Confederate senator successfully petitioned the court to uphold a pardon that prevented him from being disbarred.) Generally speaking, once an act has been committed, the president can issue a pardon at any time—regardless of whether charges have even been filed.

As the Explainer has pointed out before, there aren't many limits to the president's pardon power, at least when it comes to criminal prosecutions under federal law. The president's clemency power has its origins in the practices of the English monarchy, and as a result, the Supreme Court has given the president wide leeway under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution. There are some exceptions: The chief executive can't pardon someone for a violation of state law or nullify a civil ruling, and his power doesn't extend to convictions handed down in an impeachment proceeding. (It's also not clear whether the president can pardon himself for future convictions.)

While pre-emptive pardons remain very rare, there are a few notable exceptions. Perhaps the most famous presidential pardon of all time occurred before any charges were filed. Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon absolved the former president of "all offenses against the United States which he … has committed or may have committed or taken part in" between the date of his inauguration in 1969 and his resignation in August 1974. In other cases, presidents have pardoned individuals after criminal proceedings have begun but before a judgment has been handed down. In late 1992, less than a month before leaving office, President George H.W. Bush pardoned former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, who had been indicted earlier that year on perjury charges surrounding the Iran-Contra affair. (A lawyer for Roger Clemens' former trainer Brian McNamee claimed the pitcher might receive a similar pardon from Bush if he were ever indicted.) In addition, broad presidential amnesties—like the one President Carter issued to those who had avoided the draft during the Vietnam War—are essentially pre-emptive pardons issued to a large group of individuals.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2008/07/preemptive_presidential_pardons.html

[red states rule]

In light of the FBI reopening the server investigation, can Obama pardon Hillary before she is even convicted?

Yep

And why not? Hillary knows where all the bodies are buried after her time in the Obama regime

If she goes down (I know a bad choice of words considering her hubby Bill) she will take Obama with her

[revelarts]

the same way Obama and Pelosi never went after the Bush admin criminally. "We need to look forward".
Why Pelosi and crew never supported impeachment.
We'll hear stuff like "We need to bring the country together after this decisive election year..." from everyone... no matter if Trump or Clinton becomes president.
If anyone dares to try and criminally question Hillary and crew they'll be legally wrangling, cries of partisan which hunting, and THEN you'll see Hillary claim special privileges. The same as Bush and crew did when they ignored subpoenas to congress and the like, or showed up and only answer on their terms.

The establishment politicians look out for each other.
Above the law.

[red states rule]

the same way Obama and Pelosi never went after the Bush admin criminally. "We need to look forward" Why Pelosi and crew never supported impeachment.
we'll hear stuff like "We need to bring the country together after this decisive time " From everyone no matter if Trump or Clinton becomes president.
If anyone dares to try and criminally question Hillary they'll be legally wrangling, cries of partisan which hunting, and THEN you'll see Hillary claim special privileges the same as Bush and crew did when they ignored subpoenas to congress and the like , or showed up and only answer on their terms.

The establishment politicians look out for each other.
Above the law.


Rev there were NO CRIMES to charge Pres Bush with.

With Hillary there are many felonies to charge her with. Sooner or later the truth comes out - and Hillary is learning that lesson right now

[DLT]

In light of the FBI reopening the server investigation, can Obama pardon Hillary before she is even convicted?

All Obama has to do is command the FBI head to do what he has already done.....which essentially shuts down the investigation. And Obama can't throw Hillary under the bus like he has everyone else...without implicating himself. I can only imagine Barry's angst at this dilemma. The Obamas detest the Clintons, after all...despite the 'make nice' BS show they're putting on.

[revelarts]

Rev there were NO CRIMES to charge Pres Bush with.


Don't get me started.

[red states rule]

Don't get me started.


Oh please Rev spin those "crimes" GWB is "guilty" of.

[revelarts]

Oh please Rev spin those "crimes" GWB is "guilty" of.
RSR I suspect that even if he were fairly tried and convicted for them you'd complain that they weren't really crimes.

[Elessar]

RSR I suspect that even if he were fairly tried and convicted for them you'd complain that they weren't really crimes.

There were no crimes, otherwise they would have been brought forth by now...With Proof,
not some whiny liberal's personal opinion.

We could go back to U.S Grant or Hebert Hoover for allegations of crimes.

[revelarts]

There were no crimes, otherwise they would have been brought forth by now...With Proof,
...
you mean like has been done for the Clintons?
Are they in Jail?
Seems the left denies that any crimes have been committed by them as well Elesar. They claim it's all Right Wing conspiracy theory.

I've been told here several times that if there are no convictions that means there WAS NO crime.

If you want to be consistent and go with that line OK fine. Then the Clintons are Innocent and W is Innocent as well. Right?

But it seems clear to me that the laws of the country and the highest law of the land have said one thing and both Both Clintons and W Bush have done another.
In my book that mean they ALL have committed CRIMES. And should be in jail. But that's to radical for many to even conceive. Clintons and Bushes not being above the law.:eek:

But hey , you and the Clinton supporters can stand together splitting hairs and twisting the law and constitution in your minds to suit your beloved leaders. Fine, but don't try an badger me into you fantasy worlds where W or the Clintons are innocent because they haven't been convicted.
I'm not drinking the Kol-Aid.

[aboutime]

Don't get me started.


rev. No need to get started about anything like that. SO FAR, after more than 8 years. There STILL has been NO HUMAN ALIVE, who has been able to prove BUSH ever lied. And then, along comes OBAMA...And the LIES NEVER STOPPED. But you insist Bush did?

That bridge across the East River in New York, is still for sale for you too!

[Elessar]

Seems the left denies that any crimes have been committed by them as well Elesar. They claim it's all Right Wing conspiracy theory.

In my book that mean they ALL have committed CRIMES. And should be in jail. But that's to radical for many to even conceive. Clintons and Bushes not being above the law.:eek:

But hey , you and the Clinton supporters can stand together splitting hairs and twisting the law and constitution in your minds to suit your beloved leaders. Fine, but don't try an badger me into you fantasy worlds where W or the Clintons are innocent because they haven't been convicted.
I'm not drinking the Kol-Aid.


<snipped for="" brevity="">

Get it straight. I am no Clinton fan, and never have been.

W never committed the crimes liberals or 'progressives' accused him of by rumor or lack of FACT.
He did what he could to secure this Nation in a time of crisis, but no Proven Crimes happened...all just weak-kneed
rumors. The liberal whine of 'War Crimes' is horseshit. Try Fonda, Kerry, and Bill Clinton for meeting with the
Soviets and the NVN during 'Nam, and lying to Congress on the 'Winter Soldier's Tale".

Hillary, on the other hand HAS committed crimes that I would still be in a Federal Pen for committing.
And that is all FACT. The list of them are as long as my arm....and have been listed before.

Trump isn't perfect, but if the present mis-administration had any balls, they'd have had Hillary up on charges
months ago.</snipped>

[revelarts]

<snipped for="" brevity="">

Get it straight. I am no Clinton fan, and never have been.

W never committed the crimes liberals or 'progressives' accused him of by rumor or lack of FACT.
He did what he could to secure this Nation in a time of crisis, but no Proven Crimes happened...all just weak-kneed
rumors. The liberal whine of 'War Crimes' is horseshit. Try Fonda, Kerry, and Bill Clinton for meeting with the
Soviets and the NVN during 'Nam, and lying to Congress on the 'Winter Soldier's Tale".

Hillary, on the other hand HAS committed crimes that I would still be in a Federal Pen for committing.
And that is all FACT. The list of them are as long as my arm....and have been listed before.

Trump isn't perfect, but if the present mis-administration had any balls, they'd have had Hillary up on charges
months ago.</snipped>

I'd guess if you ordered a suspect water boarded ... or if you did it... that you might be in penitentiary as well.
Among other crimes i could list.

[OCA]

rev. No need to get started about anything like that. SO FAR, after more than 8 years. There STILL has been NO HUMAN ALIVE, who has been able to prove BUSH ever lied. And then, along comes OBAMA...And the LIES NEVER STOPPED. But you insist Bush did?

That bridge across the East River in New York, is still for sale for you too!

Downing Street Memo.....look it up.

[Elessar]

I'd guess if you ordered a suspect water boarded ... or if you did it... that you might be in penitentiary as well.
Among other crimes i could list.

Did he really order them? So far nothing of the kind has been proven.
Extensive interrogation to save American lives? Perhaps, but ordering waterboarding?
Nope!

Do you support those that would kill our people on our soil and abroad? Why not
play their game? These heathens only understand violence and torture.

[OCA]

Speech before congress.....yellowcake uranium.

Look it up

[OCA]

Did he really order them? So far nothing of the kind has been proven.
Extensive interrogation to save American lives? Perhaps, but ordering waterboarding?
Nope!

Do you support those that would kill our people on our soil and abroad? Why not
play their game? These heathens only understand violence and torture.

You are completely unamerican, antithetical to everything it stands for.

[red states rule]

I'd guess if you ordered a suspect water boarded ... or if you did it... that you might be in penitentiary as well.
Among other crimes i could list.


Rev waterboarding is NOT torture

With all the whining the left did, only THREE terrorists were waterboarded

Attacks were prevents and lives saved because they were waterboarded

Now if you want REAL torture, look at what ISIS does to their prisoners. Why not try going over to the ME and lecture them on how they should treat their prisoners?

[red states rule]

Speech before congress.....yellowcake uranium.

Look it up


http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/733/886/3cb.jpg

[revelarts]

RSR as a private citizen, Elessar as a member of the coast guard,
would you go to prison if you ordered, authorized, or performed water boarding on a suspect in your custody?
yes or no?
it's a simple question.
Yes or No?

you both know the answer is Yes.
It's against the law to treat someone like that in custody.
Cops have gone to prison for it and so would you.

It's a crime. If your not above the law then criminals go to prison especially for repeat offenses. In organizations those who authorize the crimes go to prison as well. the Clintons didn't themselves DO many of the crimes they are accused of, but they did authorize them. Others carried them out.

[red states rule]

RSR as a private citizen, Elessar as a member of the coast guard,
would you go to prison if you ordered, authorized, or performed water boarding on a suspect in your custody?
yes or no?
it's a simple question.
Yes or No?

you both know the answer is Yes.
It's against the law to treat someone like that's in custody.
Cops have gone to prison for it and so would you.

It's a crime. If your not above the law then criminals go to prison especially for repeat offenses. In organizations those who authorize the crimes go to prison as well. the Clinton didn't themselves DO many of the crimes they are accused of, but they did authorize them. Others carried them out.


Rev it I knew the terrorist had info that would save lives, you bet your ass I would waterboard the SOB

I wonder what you would do if you were in the room alone with him and he knew where your wife and kids were

Would you say "please"? The terrorists are not covered under the Geneva Convention, and have zero rights

They are cockroaches which need to be exterminated

[fj1200]

Rev it I knew the terrorist had info that would save lives, you bet your ass I would waterboard the SOB

I wonder what you would do if you were in the room alone with him and he knew where your wife and kids were

Would you say "please"? The terrorists are not covered under the Geneva Convention, and have zero rights

They are cockroaches which need to be exterminated

That wasn't the question. The question was would you go to prison?

[red states rule]

That wasn't the question. The question was would you go to prison?

Why would I go to prison? No crime would have been committed

Accept in the eyes of liberals and the followers of Nevel Chamberlaine

[fj1200]

Why would I go to prison? No crime would have been committed

Accept in the eyes of liberals and the followers of Nevel Chamberlaine

Incorrect to anyone who respects the rule of law.

[red states rule]

Incorrect to anyone who respects the rule of law.

You mean to anyone with a spine of Jello and thinks terrorists have Constitutional rights and are covered under the Geneva Convention

[Gunny]

you mean like has been done for the Clintons?
Are they in Jail?
Seems the left denies that any crimes have been committed by them as well Elesar. They claim it's all Right Wing conspiracy theory.

I've been told here several times that if there are no convictions that means there WAS NO crime.

If you want to be consistent and go with that line OK fine. Then the Clintons are Innocent and W is Innocent as well. Right?

But it seems clear to me that the laws of the country and the highest law of the land have said one thing and both Both Clintons and W Bush have done another.
In my book that mean they ALL have committed CRIMES. And should be in jail. But that's to radical for many to even conceive. Clintons and Bushes not being above the law.:eek:

But hey , you and the Clinton supporters can stand together splitting hairs and twisting the law and constitution in your minds to suit your beloved leaders. Fine, but don't try an badger me into you fantasy worlds where W or the Clintons are innocent because they haven't been convicted.
I'm not drinking the Kol-Aid.

Nope. BIG difference. Allegations against Bush were not substantiated. I'd say an unsecure server containing secure communications in your closet is hard evidence and enough to get you convicted by a court martial. The laws that govern classified material are the same for military and civilians. There's no special "I thought" clause in the US Code for ignorance for civilians

If the media or left even had a hope of a chance at Bush they'd have gone after it just like they did any GOP power player.

[OCA]

Nope. BIG difference. Allegations against Bush were not substantiated. I'd say an unsecure server containing secure communications in your closet is hard evidence and enough to get you convicted by a court martial. The laws that govern classified material are the same for military and civilians. There's no special "I thought" clause in the US Code for ignorance for civilians

If the media or left even had a hope of a chance at Bush they'd have gone after it just like they did any GOP power player.

A repub congress was in dereliction of duty......end of story.

[Elessar]

Speech before congress.....yellowcake uranium.

Look it up

Try a link, Dipshit.

[OCA]

Try a link, Dipshit.

Seriously? 10 fucking yr olds know about that but I'll suffice you later, busy supporting those welfate queen neocons in Owsley County KY.

[red states rule]

Try a link, Dipshit.


Asking Mike to back up what he says is like asking Hillary to tell the truth

Like Hillary, Mike believes simply saying it makes it true

[Elessar]

You are completely unamerican, antithetical to everything it stands for.

Geesh....37 years in the Service, USCG, an I am unamerican? How many years
did you serve? How many lives saved or assisted, Dipshit? Answer me that?

Antithetical? Try again, former RINO. Majority Rules, not minority.
Laws? Laws protect the whole of the populace; not just your whining weaklings.
liberals break them all the time and have been allowed to get away with it..

Better try some other tactic, Slick. I've more time serving this nation than
you have masturbating over an Internet porn site.

Learn your audience, fucking loser. No wonder your were previously banned from here.

Likes to fight and insult, but never puts substance to anything. Stay in your basement.

You always say "Look it Up'. Why not YOU, the Poster, give a link?

[red states rule]

Geesh....37 years in the Service, USCG, an I am unamerican? How many years
did you serve? How many lives saved or assisted, Dipshit? Answer me that?

Antithetical? Try again, former RINO. Majority Rules, not minority.
Laws? Laws protect the whole of the populace; not just your whining weaklings.
liberals break them all the time and have been allowed to get away with it..

Better try some other tactic, Slick. I've more time serving this nation than
you have masturbating over an Internet porn site.

Learn your audience, fucking loser. No wonder your were previously banned from here.

Likes to fight and insult, but never puts substance to anything. Stay in your basement.

That is Mike being Mike

and thank you for your service

The beauty of this situation is you would jump to defend anyone from the terrorists - even Mike

[revelarts]

the problem with posting links or even posting the details of the historical information in a post is people claim it's " to much to read" or they don't like the source or spout some other excuse that has nothing to do with the evidence presented.

Then they do some name calling and dismiss the whole thing again and repeat their original POV as if NOTHING had been presented to refute them anyway.

I can probably count on one hand the number of people on this board who have admitted that New Information/evidence/History/testimony presented by someone here actually had changed... or even modified... their view of an event or an issue.

[Elessar]

That is Mike being Mike

and thank you for your service

The beauty of this situation is you would jump to defend anyone from the terrorists - even Mike

In a heartbeat, even if Mike was on a sinking boat in the Potomac.:salute:

[red states rule]

In a heartbeat, even if Mike was on a sinking boat in the Potomac.:salute:

That is why I respect members of the military and the Police

They will protect and put their life on the line to keep assholes like Mike who smear them over a difference of opinion

[Elessar]

the problem with posting links or even posting the details of the historical information in a post is people claim it's " to much to read" or they don't like the source or spout some other excuse that has nothing to do with the evidence presented.



Snipped...

We have clashed but also gotten along.

Links are easier, Rev! I respect you because you are usually calm and well-mannered.

[Elessar]

That is why I respect members of the military and the Police

They will protect and put their life on the line to keep assholes like Mike who smear them over a difference of opinion

Those are our Nation's unsung Hero's and Protectors.

I don't think OCA spent one day serving his community or Nation.
Shit, even the liberal Vets are more respectful than he is.

[red states rule]

Those are our Nation's unsung Hero's and Protectors.

I don't think OCA spent one day serving his community or Nation.
Shit, even the liberal Vets are more respectful than he is.


You nailed it

Mike would never lower himself to associate with anyone other himself.

Thank you for your service :salute:

[Elessar]

You nailed it

Mike would never lower himself to associate with anyone other himself.

Thank you for your service :salute:

Tips his hat respectfully to Mister RSR!

[Gunny]

A repub congress was in dereliction of duty......end of story.

Legally? I think not. Dereliction of duty is a chargeable offense not applicable to Congress. You have to prove a crime. Being a dumbass isn't yet a chargeable offense in this country.

[Elessar]

A repub congress was in dereliction of duty......end of story.

Dereliction of Duty is only applicable under the UCMJ - Universal Code of Military Justice.

Again, you show your foul ignorance and prove more and more you are words, bereft
of factual knowledge.

How many years did you serve, Dipshit?

[OCA]

Geesh....37 years in the Service, USCG, an I am unamerican? How many years
did you serve? How many lives saved or assisted, Dipshit? Answer me that?

Antithetical? Try again, former RINO. Majority Rules, not minority.
Laws? Laws protect the whole of the populace; not just your whining weaklings.
liberals break them all the time and have been allowed to get away with it..

Better try some other tactic, Slick. I've more time serving this nation than
you have masturbating over an Internet porn site.

Learn your audience, fucking loser. No wonder your were previously banned from here.

Likes to fight and insult, but never puts substance to anything. Stay in your basement.

You always say "Look it Up'. Why not YOU, the Poster, give a link?

Nice rant.

First off military service does not make you any more of a special citizen or lend more credence to your arguments, peddle that shit elsewhere.

Second find majority rules in the constitution and and i won't call you capt unamerican

[red states rule]

Dereliction of Duty is only applicable under the UCMJ - Universal Code of Military Justice.

Again, you show your foul ignorance and prove more and more you are words, bereft
of factual knowledge.

How many years did you serve, Dipshit?

In the US military Mike would need 4 promotions to make Asshole

and he is too much of a wuss to step up and go through basic training

[Gunny]

RSR as a private citizen, Elessar as a member of the coast guard,
would you go to prison if you ordered, authorized, or performed water boarding on a suspect in your custody?
yes or no?
it's a simple question.
Yes or No?

you both know the answer is Yes.
It's against the law to treat someone like that in custody.
Cops have gone to prison for it and so would you.

It's a crime. If your not above the law then criminals go to prison especially for repeat offenses. In organizations those who authorize the crimes go to prison as well. the Clintons didn't themselves DO many of the crimes they are accused of, but they did authorize them. Others carried them out.

You're comparing apples n oranges. There was no legal definition one way or the other during Bush's tenure as President. There's also no grandfather clause. What you think of waterboarding now does not apply legally then. What you though of waterboarding then is not legally applicable.

Back the original topic .... what does it say about YOU if your candidate needs a pardon before the fact? Not a lot.

[revelarts]

You're comparing apples n oranges. There was no legal definition one way or the other during Bush's tenure as President. There's also no grandfather clause. What you think of waterboarding now does not apply legally then. What you though of waterboarding then is not legally applicable.

Back the original topic .... what does it say about YOU if your candidate needs a pardon before the fact? Not a lot.

Waterboarding was illegal then. Cops had gone to jail for it in Texas in the 1990s, guys in the military had been tried for it in the 1960s and 70s. Reagan had singed a new treaty/law that banned anything like it. The UCMJ bans anything like it. It had been called torture technique by the Navy, the CIA and other gov't Depts and tribunals when it was described being done to our soldiers. Also it was trained for as resistance to 'torture techniques'. Techniques that the USSR it's satellites/fallout and some Asian countries used. It was even called torture by the NAZIs. .. well the NAZIs actually called it "Enhanced Interrogation" too. odd that hmm?

Bush approve it. Illegal. period end of story.

If you did it to you neighbor you'd go to prison.
If a Coastie did it to a drug smuggler he'd go to prison.
If a Chief of Police ordered it done to kidnapping suspect, guess what prison... maybe.. cops get a way with a lot now a days but that's another story.

It's illegal now and it always been illegal.

As I said, both the left and right squirm, dance, dismiss, ignore the laws,
twist the meaning of the constitution,
selectively redefine the meaning of words,
create what if scenarios where the actions in question are emotionally or supposedly pragmatically justified... anything... to protect their precious leaders from the flat footed reality that they broke the law, their actions where illegally unconstitutional.

[revelarts]

.. what does it say about YOU if your candidate needs a pardon before the fact? Not a lot.

If Hillary were my candidate that wouldn't say much good about me. you're right
but you know that she's not right.

[aboutime]

Dereliction of Duty is only applicable under the UCMJ - Universal Code of Military Justice.

Again, you show your foul ignorance and prove more and more you are words, bereft
of factual knowledge.

How many years did you serve, Dipshit?


Elessar. That should be Uniform Code of Military Justice....Hillary, and Obama wanted the UNIVERSAL. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

[fj1200]

You mean to anyone with a spine of Jello and thinks terrorists have Constitutional rights and are covered under the Geneva Convention

Umm no, incorrect since Hamdan in 2005. Nobody suggested that they had Constitutional rights... unless the terrorist critters happen to be US citizens.

[Gunny]

Waterboarding was illegal then. Cops had gone to jail for it in Texas in the 1990s, guys in the military had been tried for it in the 1960s and 70s. Reagan had singed a new treaty/law that banned anything like it. The UCMJ bans anything like it. It had been called torture technique by the Navy, the CIA and other gov't Depts and tribunals when it was described being done to our soldiers. Also it was trained for as resistance to 'torture techniques'. Techniques that the USSR it's satellites/fallout and some Asian countries used. It was even called torture by the NAZIs. .. well the NAZIs actually called it "Enhanced Interrogation" too. odd that hmm?

Bush approve it. Illegal. period end of story.

If you did it to you neighbor you'd go to prison.
If a Coastie did it to a drug smuggler he'd go to prison.
If a Chief of Police ordered it done to kidnapping suspect, guess what prison... maybe.. cops get a way with a lot now a days but that's another story.

It's illegal now and it always been illegal.

As I said, both the left and right squirm, dance, dismiss, ignore the laws,
twist the meaning of the constitution,
selectively redefine the meaning of words,
create what if scenarios where the actions in question are emotionally or supposedly pragmatically justified... anything... to protect their precious leaders from the flat footed reality that they broke the law, their actions where illegally unconstitutional.

You would be incorrect. The UCMJ doesn't govern the conduct of war. It governs the conduct of individuals in the military. Starting with obeying orders. Your opinion that waterboarding is torture is a conclusion determined after the fact. THAT is the end of the story.

Your opinion rates right up there with slave reparations. You don't get to change the rules then hold rveryone retroactively accountable just because you thought it was right all along. My opinion is it is NOT torture.

Further, take a class or two before trying to school ME on the UCMJ, Law of Land Warfare, and/or ROE.

[OCA]

Dereliction of Duty is only applicable under the UCMJ - Universal Code of Military Justice.

Again, you show your foul ignorance and prove more and more you are words, bereft
of factual knowledge.

How many years did you serve, Dipshit?

Here we are parsing words, splitting hairs. Does not doing their job, putting party and politics before country sound better to you? Like then history is repeating itself now with America hating neocon Repubs who refuse to do their job and vet SCOTUS nominees.

That's a good first year goal for HRC, ban officially the Repub party.

[red states rule]

Here we are parsing words, splitting hairs. Does not doing their job, putting party and politics before country sound better to you? Like then history is repeating itself now with America hating neocon Repubs who refuse to do their job and vet SCOTUS nominees.

That's a good first year goal for HRC, ban officially the Repub party.


http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo265/Mad_Eyez/idiot.gif

[aboutime]

Were you born full of hatred, and stupidity, or did you study to be full of hatred, and Stupid???

[OCA]

Were you born full of hatred, and stupidity, or did you study to be full of hatred, and Stupid???

Apparently you don't read your own stuff. Absolutely ridiculous

[aboutime]

Apparently you don't read your own stuff. Absolutely ridiculous


I knew you weren't intelligent enough to honestly answer my questions., Kettle.

[OCA]

I knew you weren't intelligent enough to honestly answer my questions., Kettle.

Why would i answer a disingenuous question?

[aboutime]

Why would i answer a disingenuous question?


You should be asking yourself that. Proving my point about your lack of intelligence worked well. You still didn't answer. The liberal trick of fools.

[Elessar]

Nice rant.

First off military service does not make you any more of a special citizen or lend more credence to your arguments, peddle that shit elsewhere.

Second find majority rules in the constitution and and i won't call you capt unamerican

Why don't you answer a question directly? How many years in uniform or wearing a badge have you got.
And yes, being military DOES carry a bit of specialty to citizenship. Been to a National Cemetery recently?

Majority Rules is a precept of a Democratic Republic, which is what the USA is.

You're the one that is un-american, not Vets, LE, or First Responders.

How much public service have YOU done besides agitate, threaten, and insult?

[Elessar]

Elessar. That should be Uniform Code of Military Justice....Hillary, and Obama wanted the UNIVERSAL. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

Got it! My Boo-Boo!:laugh:

I knew it as soon as I pressed enter, but my damn computer failed!

[Elessar]

Why would i answer a disingenuous question?

Why don't you answer any question?

[Black Diamond]

Why don't you answer any question?

He will be gone after November 8.

[OCA]

Why don't you answer any question?

I already did, whether i served or other lends no credence to yours or my argument. Iow i don't care, your position doesn't get any power points so your question is a moot point.

Like i said peddle that horseshit elsewhere.

[OCA]

Why don't you answer a question directly? How many years in uniform or wearing a badge have you got.
And yes, being military DOES carry a bit of specialty to citizenship. Been to a National Cemetery recently?

Majority Rules is a precept of a Democratic Republic, which is what the USA is.

You're the one that is un-american, not Vets, LE, or First Responders.

How much public service have YOU done besides agitate, threaten, and insult?

And secondly it's been proven to you already that the founding fathers expressly put provisions into the constitution to take out majority rules so 1. you are either being purposely obstinate or 2. you are ignorant as fuck.

[Elessar]

And secondly it's been proven to you already that the founding fathers expressly put provisions into the constitution to take out majority rules so 1. you are either being purposely obstinate or 2. you are ignorant as fuck.

Let's get this straight.

For one, you and your foul mouth and personality do not impress me.
Secondly, you evade questions. Put up or shut up! Answer questions, or are you scared to?
Third, A Democratic Republic, as based on our founding fathers, is Majority Rules.
Fourth...being military DOES have a modicum of respect; something you do not have
for our troops and members.

You'll crawl back under your rock soon enough. What a hateful loser.

[Kaimhel]

Let's get this straight.

For one, you and your foul mouth and personality do not impress me.
Secondly, you evade questions. Put up or shut up! Answer questions, or are you scared to?
Third, A Democratic Republic, as based on our founding fathers, is Majority Rules.
Fourth...being military DOES have a modicum of respect; something you do not have
for our troops and members.

You'll crawl back under your rock soon enough. What a hateful loser.

You said it!:clap:

[aboutime]

I already did, whether i served or other lends no credence to yours or my argument. Iow i don't care, your position doesn't get any power points so your question is a moot point.

Like i said peddle that horseshit elsewhere.


OCA. The only solution to getting rid of the horseshit would be...YOU LEAVING !

[OCA]

Let's get this straight.

For one, you and your foul mouth and personality do not impress me.
Secondly, you evade questions. Put up or shut up! Answer questions, or are you scared to?
Third, A Democratic Republic, as based on our founding fathers, is Majority Rules.
Fourth...being military DOES have a modicum of respect; something you do not have
for our troops and members.

You'll crawl back under your rock soon enough. What a hateful loser.

No you get this straight Cletus, as it pertains to this messageboard and your debates here your military service lends zero added value to your arguments. I've provided you ample evidence with link to show you stop gaps built into the constitution to prevent the tyrrany of majority rules.......now go fuck off and find me a link to prove me wrong.

I decide when i answer questions, not you.

[OCA]

OCA. The only solution to getting rid of the horseshit would be...YOU LEAVING !

Well guess what troll, this dog has found his comfy bed again. Sorry i cannot accommodate a dirty deplorable such as yourself.

[Kaimhel]

No you get this straight Cletus, as it pertains to this messageboard and your debates here your military service lends zero added value to your arguments. I've provided you ample evidence with link to show you stop gaps built into the constitution to prevent the tyrrany of majority rules.......now go fuck off and find me a link to prove me wrong.

I decide when i answer questions, not you.

No, you have not. all of your "evidence" is crap you make up and or infer from another source. As for his military service, it DOES give him more value. In arguments and in pretty much everything else! Then again, a 2 year old has more value than you do. No doubt they can come up with more constructive answers and arguments. I know my 6 year olds can.

Get your head out of your ass and your shit off these boards!

[Elessar]

No you get this straight Cletus, as it pertains to this messageboard and your debates here your military service lends zero added value to your arguments. I've provided you ample evidence with link to show you stop gaps built into the constitution to prevent the tyrrany of majority rules.......now go fuck off and find me a link to prove me wrong.

I decide when i answer questions, not you.

My name is not Cletus, asshole. Your foul mouth does NOT impress me.

You refuse to answer questions because you are only a chickenshit keyboard pounder.
Yeah....military matters, you fucking coward. Zero value? Try a non-serving shit-head like
yourself that listens to nobody but the voices in his head, which is devoid of common sense.

You provided NO evidence.....Democratic Republic is based on Majority Rules, shit for brains.

I need no links, foul mouth. Crawl back under your cow patty and suck on it like the other worms.

And don't worry keyboard tough guy...I don't ignore...

[OCA]

My name is not Cletus, asshole. Your foul mouth does NOT impress me.

You refuse to answer questions because you are only a chickenshit keyboard pounder.
Yeah....military matters, you fucking coward. Zero value? Try a non-serving shit-head like
yourself that listens to nobody but the voices in his head, which is devoid of common sense.

You provided NO evidence.....Democratic Republic is based on Majority Rules, shit for brains.

I need no links, foul mouth. Crawl back under your cow patty and suck on it like the other worms.

And don't worry keyboard tough guy...I don't ignore...


I win......under skin already.

[OCA]

No, you have not. all of your "evidence" is crap you make up and or infer from another source. As for his military service, it DOES give him more value. In arguments and in pretty much everything else! Then again, a 2 year old has more value than you do. No doubt they can come up with more constructive answers and arguments. I know my 6 year olds can.

Get your head out of your ass and your shit off these boards!

Not sure who you are but did you go through the proper channels?

[OCA]

My name is not Cletus, asshole. Your foul mouth does NOT impress me.

You refuse to answer questions because you are only a chickenshit keyboard pounder.
Yeah....military matters, you fucking coward. Zero value? Try a non-serving shit-head like
yourself that listens to nobody but the voices in his head, which is devoid of common sense.

You provided NO evidence.....Democratic Republic is based on Majority Rules, shit for brains.

I need no links, foul mouth. Crawl back under your cow patty and suck on it like the other worms.

And don't worry keyboard tough guy...I don't ignore...

Ok......Cletus.

"I need no links".......:laugh2:

[Elessar]

I win......under skin already.

You lose...I am under yours, and you cannot handle it when getting tit-for tat.

Try to impress me. I dare you.

You seem to impress yourself a lot, but no others.

Pathetic! Sure thing, Wormtail!

[OCA]

You lose...I am under yours, and you cannot handle it when getting tit-for tat.

Try to impress me. I dare you.

You seem to impress yourself a lot, but no others.

Pathetic! Sure thing, Wormtail!

Your flaming is childlike.

Now go and get that link.......Cletus.

[Elessar]

Your flaming is childlike.

Now go and get that link.......Cletus.

You get it.

Let's get it really straight. How does a bill get passed in the Congress (except under Obama)...Majority Rules.
How does a person get elected to office? Majority Rules.

You're the aggressor here, Wormtail.

Go ahead, answer questions first you sack of foul-mouthed shit.

I've never seen such a pathetic, hopeless, and wholly agitator like you.
You're right! You are special.

[red states rule]

You get it.

Let's get it really straight. How does a bill get passed in the Congress (except under Obama)...Majority Rules.
How does a person get elected to office? Majority Rules.

You're the aggressor here, Wormtail.

Go ahead, answer questions first you sack of foul-mouthed shit.

I've never seen such a pathetic, hopeless, and wholly agitator like you.
You're right! You are special.

There you go again!!!

Mixing the issues with facts. You will cause Mike's head to explode

Please continue

[fj1200]

Why don't you answer a question directly? How many years in uniform or wearing a badge have you got.
And yes, being military DOES carry a bit of specialty to citizenship. Been to a National Cemetery recently?

Majority Rules is a precept of a Democratic Republic, which is what the USA is.

You're the one that is un-american, not Vets, LE, or First Responders.

How much public service have YOU done besides agitate, threaten, and insult?

Actually we're a Constitutional Republic.


No, you have not. all of your "evidence" is crap you make up and or infer from another source. As for his military service, it DOES give him more value. In arguments and in pretty much everything else! Then again, a 2 year old has more value than you do. No doubt they can come up with more constructive answers and arguments. I know my 6 year olds can.

Get your head out of your ass and your shit off these boards!

Actually only in matters where his military service gives him some expertise or knowledge greater than someone else.

[Gunny]

And secondly it's been proven to you already that the founding fathers expressly put provisions into the constitution to take out majority rules so 1. you are either being purposely obstinate or 2. you are ignorant as fuck.

The Constitution is not the suicide pact you would have it be, either. The intent of the Founding Fathers is CLEARLY based on common sense. They could have in no way predicted the left in this country would lose all contact with that concept.

Quite simply, NO ONE envisioned a tyranny of the minority as this nation has become. We are nothing anymore but a nation of selfish whiners using lawyers and loopholes for our own special interests at the expense of the majority and even a lick of common sense.

It is destroying us as a people, Nation, and society. That DOES make a difference to those of us that have served, in whatever capacity, the greater good of the whole rather than putting our own selfish desires ahead of all else.

You, by your own words are an example of the latter. The overriding theme in everything you have posted over the years is "it's all about you". You don't don't even care which side you claim to be on. Just so long as it works for you.

[OCA]

Actually we're a Constitutional Republic.



Actually only in matters where his military service gives him some expertise or knowledge greater than someone else.

Thank Christ almighty! Somebody who actually understood the statement!

[OCA]

You get it.

Let's get it really straight. How does a bill get passed in the Congress (except under Obama)...Majority Rules.
How does a person get elected to office? Majority Rules.

You're the aggressor here, Wormtail.

Go ahead, answer questions first you sack of foul-mouthed shit.

I've never seen such a pathetic, hopeless, and wholly agitator like you.
You're right! You are special.

Well there is that little veto thingy, oh nevermind, you can't be bothered with facts.

[Elessar]

Well there is that little veto thingy, oh nevermind, you can't be bothered with facts.

Fully aware of that "little Veto thingie". But I guess a fool like you needs that spelled out so you do
not make idiotic assumptions.

[OCA]

Fully aware of that "little Veto thingie". But I guess a fool like you needs that spelled out so you do
not make idiotic assumptions.

You've already been schooled like 3 times in this thread alone yet you call me the fool, you are just an angry hater. Go see your master RSR for further instruction.

[OCA]

Not evrn aware what type of government we have......lol......gtfoh.

[Black Diamond]

You've already been schooled like 3 times in this thread alone yet you call me the fool, you are just an angry hater. Go see your master RSR for further instruction.
Angry hater. I am sure you don't hate trump. :laugh:

[OCA]

Angry hater. I am sure you don't hate trump. :laugh:

A majority of Americans do, they really aren't into pedophiles.l, maybe you are dunno.

[red states rule]

Angry hater. I am sure you don't hate trump. :laugh:


But for reason he loves Hillary

Chris Matthews had a trill up his leg for Obama

Mike has a thrill between his legs for Hillary

[Black Diamond]

A majority of Americans do, they really aren't into pedophiles.l, maybe you are dunno.
Hater. I knew it.


I am am into pedophiles.. And sexual predators

but most of all I'm into nazis. I can't wait to shovel you left wing idiots into the oven.

[OCA]

Hater. I knew it.


I am am into pedophiles.. And sexual predators

but most of all I'm into nazis. I can't wait to shovel you left wing idiots into the oven.

Better start shoveling fast........it's a majority left country.

You are a dinosaur, can't wait for your imminent extinction.

[KarlMarx]

In light of the FBI reopening the server investigation, can Obama pardon Hillary before she is even convicted?

Article II Section 2 of the Constitution (regarding powers of the Executive)

"....and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."


My guess is that he might be able to pardon her but that would be admitting that she committed an offense against the United States.