where are all the folks who loved Obamacare?

[red states rule]

What happened to them?

Years ago there were several members here who told us how great Obamacare would be

I recall BullyPulpit, OCA, Gabby (I believe) all said good we would have it

Hell they acually thought young and health people would spend large sums of cash to pay a policy with high deductables so old and sick people could get coverage

Now one week from the election people see how such they are saving

This week, USA Today published a map that details just how much rates are set to increase:
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http://ijr.com/2016/10/719587-map-shows-just-how-drastic-the-obamacare-rate-hikes-will-be-state-by-state/

[red states rule]

and we have more on the success of Obamacare

Will this have any impact on the election? And where are all the Obamacare lovers hiding?





Health law consumers face least choice in program's history

WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans in the health insurance markets created by President Barack Obama's law will have less choice next year than any time since the program started, a new county-level analysis for The Associated Press has found.


The analysis by AP and consulting firm Avalere Health found that about one-third of U.S. counties will have only one health marketplace insurer next year. That's more than 1,000 counties in 26 states — roughly double the number of counties in 2014, the first year of coverage through the program.
With insurance notices for 2017 in the mail, families are already facing difficult choices, even weighing whether to stay covered.


"At this point we are at a loss," said Ryan Robinson of Phoenix. "We don't know what the next step is." He and his wife, Nicole, only have plans from one insurer available next year, and the company doesn't appear to cover an expensive immune-system medication for their 11-year-old daughter.
Phoenix is the market hardest hit by insurer exits, shrinking from eight carriers to one. With many other communities affected, however, the problem of dwindling choice may create even bigger political headaches than the rising premiums announced earlier this week.


Largely as a result of the Affordable Care Act, the nation's uninsured rate has dropped to a historically low level, less than 9 percent. But the program hasn't yet found stable footing, and it remains politically divisive. Insurer participation rose in 2015 and 2016, only to plunge.


Dwindling choice could be a trickier issue than rising premiums for the Obama administration and advocates of the 2010 law, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

https://apnews.com/410680e9947149879416cd5902f03d5f/Health-law-consumers-face-least-choice-in-program's-history

[red states rule]

Now we have this

It is the states that have caused the crash of Obamacare. Hell I thought the left would blame Fox News and Rush Limbaugh




How States Have Sabotaged Obamacare
This week, the government finally confirmed (http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/10/24/obamacare_premiums_to_rise_22_percent_in_2017.html ) much of the bad news about Obamacare that the health-policy world had been expecting for months (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2016/08/is_obamacare_doomed_all_your_questions_answered.ht ml). After losing a good deal of money on customers who have turned out to be older and sicker than anticipated, insurance companies are pulling back from the individual market next year and significantly raising their prices: About one-fifth of the country will have just a single carrier to choose from on the Affordable Care Act's exchanges, and average premiums before government subsidies are increasing 22 percent in the states where data is available.

But those problems aren't equally severe everywhere. In places (https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/212721/2017MarketplaceLandscapeBrief25.pdf) like Massachusetts and Ohio, numerous insurers are still competing for business, and premiums have stayed relatively low—in both the Bay and Buckeye states there will be at least 10 carriers offering coverage, and a 27-year-old will be able to buy a benchmark silver plan for less than $230 a month on average. On the opposite end of the spectrum there are cases like Alabama, where only one insurer is set to sell coverage, and a benchmark plan will cost $384.The fact that Obamacare seems to be working much better in some corners of the country than others has raised an obvious question: Is the health reform law having problems because it's badly designed? Or is troubled because some states are too busy fighting the law to properly implement it?

Unfortunately, it's hard to say for sure. Under the Affordable Care Act, the U.S. is still cursed with 50 different, complicated insurance markets, and nobody that I know of really has a complete read on what's going on in every single one of them. But there is evidence that, yes, some states have sabotaged their own insurance markets by refusing to cooperate with Obamacare's goals.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/10/27/how_states_have_sabotaged_obamacare.html

[CSM]

meh... they will all now blame "corporate greed" rather than the sacred ACA.

[red states rule]

meh... they will all now blame "corporate greed" rather than the sacred ACA.

Perhaps a liberal can explain why someone would go tot college, medical school, be a resident, open a office, rent the medical equipment, and hire staff only NOT to make a profit

Oh well that makes as much sense as Dems defending Obamacare


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=UqN2Fl0fjA8

[DLT]

What happened to them?

Years ago there were several members here who told us how great Obamacare would be

I recall BullyPulpit, OCA, Gabby (I believe) all said good we would have it

Hell they acually thought young and health people would spend large sums of cash to pay a policy with high deductables so old and sick people could get coverage

Now one week from the election people see how such they are saving

This week, USA Today published a map that details just how much rates are set to increase:
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An even better question might be....

how the hell did they (proponents of ObamaCare) justify Congress exempting themselves AND THEIR STAFF from having to adhere to the ObamaCare law....because they couldn't afford it. If they couldn't afford it at their salaries.....it goes without saying that the average American couldn't afford it EITHER.

[red states rule]

An even better question might be....

how the hell did they (proponents of ObamaCare) justify Congress exempting themselves AND THEIR STAFF from having to adhere to the ObamaCare law....because they couldn't afford it. If they couldn't afford it at their salaries.....it goes without saying that the average American couldn't afford it EITHER.


For the same reason Obama did about 35 end-runs around Congress and delayed Obamacare being fully enacted via Executive Orders until now

Both knew it sucked

[red states rule]

and if you a a low information voter (aka a Hillary voter) and get your news and information from the liberal media - well you have no idea how successsful Obamacare really is



Despite skyrocketing premiums, major insurance companies backing out, and one state exchange after another failing (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mike-ciandella/2016/08/31/abc-nbc-ignore-all-obamacare-failures-2016-cbs-barely-covers), in all of 2016, the evening news broadcasts of ABC, CBS and NBC have only devoted 10 minutes and 19 seconds combined to ObamaCare failures. Until Bill Clinton called the Affordable Care Act “this crazy system” on October 3, ABC and NBC hadn’t covered any ObamaCare news in 2016 at all.

http://newsbusters.org/s3/files/styles/blog_body-100/s3/images/tv_news_ignores_obamacares_death_spiral_0.jpg?itok =BuDPTieO

[DLT]

and if you a a low information voter (aka a Hillary voter) and get your news and information from the liberal media - well you have no idea how successsful Obamacare really is

Oh...I'm quite sure that Obama and Holder's people think it's simply splendid. After all.....they're getting their quality healthcare plans subsidized by taxpayers now. Much better than the crappy old Medicaid they used to have to rely on. You know....the same Medicaid that many middle-class folks are now having to rely on because they don't "qualify" for a taxpayer-funded subsidy.

You see how this works, right? Leftist/DemocRat redistribution of wealth and "social justice".

[red states rule]

Oh...I'm quite sure that Obama and Holder's people think it's simply splendid. After all.....they're getting their quality healthcare plans subsidized by taxpayers now. Much better than the crappy old Medicaid they used to have to rely on. You know....the same Medicaid that many middle-class folks are now having to rely on because they don't "qualify" for a taxpayer-funded subsidy.

You see how this works, right? Leftist/DemocRat redistribution of wealth and "social justice".


Meanwhile our heroes wait for care, and their health care system stinks so bad - they die in a VA hospital and their body decomposes in the morgue

[Elessar]

An even better question might be....

how the hell did they (proponents of ObamaCare) justify Congress exempting themselves AND THEIR STAFF from having to adhere to the ObamaCare law....because they couldn't afford it. If they couldn't afford it at their salaries.....it goes without saying that the average American couldn't afford it EITHER.

That above could not be more "SPOT ON"!

They are worth hundreds of thousands a year, yet exempt themselves from something
that was "For All Americans"?

That made me damn near throw up when I heard it.

Thank heaven I have VA Medical coverage and Tri-Care, which I bet they want to
cut in to.

[OCA]

Hmmm

[red states rule]

Once again folks, Mike has demonstrated once again his superior debate skills. Just think of all the exhaustive research Mike performed to assemble a detailed point by point explanation on how Oabmacare is working and saving all of money

[fj1200]

Hmmm

Actually I'd say insurance premiums are high due to regulations and ever increasing mandates.

[Kathianne]

Actually I'd say insurance premiums are high due to regulations and ever increasing mandates.

Yep, real reform would return insurance to its basic function, to cover expenses outside of reasonable expected costs.

Beyond that, companies could offer more comprehensive, but those choosing that pay the premiums. Hw many buy offered insurance coverage on appliances?

[red states rule]

I am still waiting for someone who supported Obamacare to explain why a single male (with an individual policy) must carry maternity benefits.

Those were the 7 million "sub standard" polices that were cancelled when Obamacare first went into effect

[aboutime]

The Originator of OBAMACARE calls WE THE PEOPLE....STUPID?

I know this is three years ago, but how many millions of Americans are about to find out in 2017....How stupid they were to believe Obama, and the Dems?


http://youtu.be/4s_NL3brvoQ


Table 1: Monthly Silver Premiums and Financial Assistance
for a 40 Year Old Non-Smoker Making $30,000 / Year
State Major City 2nd Lowest Cost Silver
Before Tax Credit 2nd Lowest Cost Silver
After Tax Credit Amount of
Premium Tax Credit
2016 2017 % Change
from 2016 2016 2017 % Change
from 2016 2016 2017 % Change
from 2016
Alabama Birmingham $288 $492 71% $208 $207 0% $80 $285 256%
Alaska Anchorage $719 $904 26% $164 $163 -1% $555 $741 33%
Arizona Phoenix $207 $507 145% $207 $207 0% $0 $300 N/A
Arkansas Little Rock $310 $314 1% $208 $207 0% $102 $107 4%
California Los Angeles $245 $258 5% $208 $207 0% $37 $51 38%
Colorado Denver $278 $313 12% $208 $207 0% $70 $106 51%
Connecticut Hartford $318 $404 27% $208 $207 0% $110 $196 79%
Delaware Wilmington $356 $423 19% $208 $207 0% $148 $216 46%
DC Washington $244 $298 22% $208 $207 0% $36 $91 153%
Florida Miami $262 $306 17% $208 $207 0% $54 $99 84%
Georgia Atlanta $254 $286 13% $208 $207 0% $46 $79 72%
Hawaii Honolulu $262 $347 32% $179 $178 -1% $83 $169 104%
Idaho Boise $273 $348 27% $208 $207 0% $65 $141 117%
Illinois Chicago $198 $291 48% $198 $207 5% $0 $84 N/A
Indiana Indianapolis $298 $286 -4% $208 $207 0% $90 $79 -12%
Iowa Cedar Rapids $284 $301 6% $208 $207 0% $76 $94 25%
Kansas Wichita $248 $361 46% $208 $207 0% $40 $154 287%
Kentucky Louisville $223 $229 3% $208 $207 0% $15 $22 47%
Louisiana New Orleans $332 $373 13% $208 $207 0% $124 $166 34%
Maine Portland $288 $341 19% $208 $207 0% $80 $134 68%
Maryland Baltimore $249 $309 24% $208 $207 0% $41 $102 152%
Massachusetts Boston $250 $247 -1% $208 $207 0% $42 $40 -5%
Michigan Detroit $226 $237 5% $208 $207 0% $18 $29 65%
Minnesota Minneapolis $235 $366 55% $208 $207 0% $27 $159 481%
Mississippi Jackson $283 $352 25% $208 $207 0% $75 $145 95%
Missouri St Louis $287 $310 8% $208 $207 0% $79 $103 31%
Montana Billings $322 $425 32% $208 $207 0% $114 $218 92%
Nebraska Omaha $313 $368 18% $208 $207 0% $105 $161 54%
Nevada Las Vegas $261 $282 8% $208 $207 0% $53 $75 41%
New Hampshire Manchester $261 $267 2% $208 $207 0% $53 $60 14%
New Jersey Newark $330 $353 7% $208 $207 0% $122 $146 19%
New Mexico Albuquerque $186 $258 39% $186 $207 11% $0 $51 N/A
New York New York City $369 $456 24% $208 $207 0% $161 $249 55%
North Carolina Charlotte $409 $572 40% $208 $207 0% $201 $364 82%
North Dakota Fargo $304 $331 9% $208 $207 0% $96 $124 29%
Ohio Cleveland $234 $229 -2% $208 $207 0% $26 $22 -17%
Oklahoma Okla. City $295 $493 67% $208 $207 0% $87 $286 230%
Oregon Portland $261 $312 20% $208 $207 0% $53 $105 98%
Pennsylvania Philadelphia $276 $418 51% $208 $207 0% $68 $211 209%
Rhode Island Providence $263 $261 -1% $208 $207 0% $55 $54 -2%
South Carolina Columbia $314 $404 29% $208 $207 0% $106 $197 85%
South Dakota Sioux Falls $309 $448 45% $208 $207 0% $101 $241 138%
Tennessee Nashville $281 $419 49% $208 $207 0% $73 $212 192%
Texas Houston $256 $288 13% $208 $207 0% $48 $81 69%
Utah Salt Lake City $244 $292 20% $208 $207 0% $36 $85 139%
Vermont Burlington $468 $492 5% $208 $207 0% $260 $285 9%
Virginia Richmond $276 $296 7% $208 $207 0% $68 $89 31%
Washington Seattle $227 $238 5% $208 $207 0% $19 $31 62%
West Virginia Huntington $341 $419 23% $208 $207 0% $132 $212 60%
Wisconsin Milwaukee $326 $379 16% $208 $207 0% $117 $172 46%
Wyoming Cheyenne $426 $464 9% $208 $207 0% $218 $257 18%
NOTES: In areas in which the two lowest-cost silver plans have the same premium, the next lowest-cost silver plan is used as the “second-lowest” silver plan. In some cases, a portion of the second lowest-cost silver plan is for non-essential health benefits so these values may differ from the benchmark used to determine subsidies.
SOURCE: Kaiser Family Foundation analysis of premium data from Healthcare.gov and insurer rate filings to state regulators. For more information see “Early Look at 2017 Premium Changes and Insurer Participation in the Affordable Care Act’s Health Insurance Marketplaces” Jul 2016.

[red states rule]

and what are the supports of Obamacare saying will fix it? MORE MONEY of course

They want taxpayers to pay more of the cost of the policies. They say that will lower the cost of coverage.

No it will not. It will lower the cost to the freeloader sucking of the government, but add to the nations debt as the Feds spend more money we do not have.

The left say increase the fines for not buying insurance. It is now cheaper for the young and healthy not to buy the overpriced Obamacare policies. So - shocker - libs want higher taxes.

No matter how massive the failuers in government run programs, the only answer that comes for liberals is to throw more taxpayer money at it

[aboutime]

How quiet all of the Obama voters, and Obamacare Lovers are now.

Most of them have gathered somewhere to mourn their BUYERS REMORSE, and to weep about being FOOLED twice, while crying alligator Tears for Hillary and Co.