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jimnyc
10-23-2016, 02:20 PM
We've discussed, or I've mentioned maybe too many times, that Hillary has plans for the 2nd amendment and guns if she gets into office. She has stated as much, there's no debate there. Would it surprise anyone if she also made end-arounds to things that would also change the 1st and how we see it to this day?

And don't forget the SC. To ME, it's an open and shut case with that one. We all know she will go liberal. Trump has been much clearer in not only descriptions of what he would like to see in the SC, but has also given a short list of nominees.

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Clinton Is a Threat to the 2nd Amendment -- and the 1st

Donald Trump is a clear menace to our democratic form of government, the rule of law and my James Madison bobblehead. The teenage Ted Cruz could recite the entire Constitution from memory. Trump wouldn't know it from Two Corinthians.

But it's not exactly safe to entrust your copy of the Constitution to Hillary Clinton, either. You might get it back with some parts missing or mutilated -- like the First Amendment and the Second.

When it comes to gun rights, Clinton has taken a position appreciably to the left of Barack Obama's. From his first presidential campaign, he has assured gun owners he respects their cherished prerogatives and would never take away their weapons.

When the Supreme Court issued its landmark 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller, he applauded it. "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," Obama said.

Not Clinton. When asked in June whether she endorses that interpretation, she conspicuously declined to do so. "For most of our history, there was a nuanced reading of the Second Amendment, until the decision by the late Justice Scalia," she groused.

Asked whether she agrees "that an individual's right to bear arms is a constitutional right," Clinton replied, "If it is a constitutional right, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulations." If?

In her final debate with Trump, Clinton was asked again about the Heller decision. She reiterated her opposition, insisting that "what the District of Columbia was trying to do was to protect toddlers from guns, and so they wanted people with guns to safely store them." She eventually said, "I also believe there's an individual right to bear arms."

So Clinton rejects the Supreme Court decision that established constitutional protection for that right -- but now agrees the right has constitutional protection? As former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan once said, "If I seem unduly clear to you, you must have misunderstood what I said."

She and Obama both favor universal background checks for gun purchases, a ban on "assault weapons" and denying guns to anyone on the federal no-fly list. But her cramped view of the Second Amendment suggests she would favor additional curbs that she knows the Supreme Court would not abide.

Clinton seems to think that a new justice or two might set the Second Amendment right. On the First Amendment, however, she sees the Supreme Court as a lost cause.

Her target is the 2010 Citizens United decision, which established the right of corporations and labor unions to participate in electioneering. In the debate, she said it "has undermined the election system in our country because of the way it permits dark, unaccountable money to come into our electoral system."

But all the decision did was to prevent the government from suppressing speech about political matters. The justices noted that under the law it struck down, it would be a felony for the Sierra Club, within 60 days of a general election, to run an ad urging "the public to disapprove of a Congressman who favors logging in national forests." The court ruled that speech doesn't lose protection merely because it comes from corporations -- a category that includes many advocacy groups.

Rest here - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/10/23/clinton_is_a_threat_to_the_2nd_amendment_--_and_the_1st_132134.html

gabosaurus
10-23-2016, 05:55 PM
Trump is a much bigger threat to the first amendment than Clinton. Neither is a threat to the second amendment.

OCA
10-23-2016, 06:04 PM
The rhetoric about HRC and the constitution is getting so deep they don't have boots tall enough.

They said the same shit about Obama and record gun sales during his 8 yrs and no court left or right is touching 1st amendment rights.....come on now!

Elessar
10-23-2016, 07:25 PM
The principles in the First Amendment...Our founding documents were based on the Ten Commandments
in many ways. Yet Freedom of the Press has become Freedom of the Press to do as they damn well please.
Freedom of Religion has become Freedom of Minorities and PC'ers to demand removal of icons of our
founding. Freedom of Assembly has become Freedom to Assemble and riot, loot, and burn. Freedom
of Expression has come to mean a PC'er can get in your face, spit on you, throw things at you. All pushed
by liberals.

Second Amendment? Should not be bugged with. Enforce the present Laws and quit trying to plug in
'feel good' laws. It is already illegal to own a functional 'assault weapon' unless you are a collector or
target shooter - as per the ATF restrictions. Get the handguns away from the gangs, criminals, and druggies.
Leave honest, law-abiding people alone.

bullypulpit
10-24-2016, 06:32 PM
Well, it's actually Trump who thinks the First Amendment goes too far, and sounds kinda dictatorial in that regard. As for the Second Amendment, folks need to read it a little closer. The right to "keep and bear arms" only exists in the context of a "well regulated militia". Something the NRA and and their drones conveniently forget.

Elessar
10-24-2016, 06:41 PM
Well, it's actually Trump who thinks the First Amendment goes too far, and sounds kinda dictatorial in that regard. As for the Second Amendment, folks need to read it a little closer. The right to "keep and bear arms" only exists in the context of a "well regulated militia". Something the NRA and and their drones conveniently forget.

Try again. This is the direct quote from the Second Amendment:

The Second Amendment (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentii) of the United States Constitution (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html) reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Something the liberals and their drones conveniently IGNORE.

bullypulpit
10-24-2016, 06:49 PM
Try again. This is the direct quote from the Second Amendment:

The Second Amendment (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentii) of the United States Constitution (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html) reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Something the liberals and their drones conveniently IGNORE.

:lol:

THE VERY FIRST WORDS : "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your reading comprehension simply doesn't seem to be up to the task. "A well regulated militia" doesn't mean any random nut-bag with the money and desire to buy any and all firearms that they think they've a "right" to "keep and bear".

Elessar
10-24-2016, 06:53 PM
:lol:

THE VERY FIRST WORDS : "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your reading comprehension simply doesn't seem to be up to the task. "A well regulated militia" doesn't mean any random nut-bag with the money and desire to buy any and all firearms that they think they've a "right" to "keep and bear".

Your reading comprehension is pretty poor. Commas are meant to break up a sentence to make the initial subject inclusive to
the full thought. Nowhere does it imply that militia only is exclusive. They did not use semi-colons back then. It includes militia
as well as the people as having that right.

Great Britain did not have a militia back then, and citizens were being arrested and jailed for having firearms.

aboutime
10-24-2016, 06:58 PM
Well, it's actually Trump who thinks the First Amendment goes too far, and sounds kinda dictatorial in that regard. As for the Second Amendment, folks need to read it a little closer. The right to "keep and bear arms" only exists in the context of a "well regulated militia". Something the NRA and and their drones conveniently forget.


You fail again bully. Your interpretation, and your demands that the 2nd amendment is limited to the "well regulated militia"....comes from your intentional avoidance of stating WHEN THE 2ND AMENDMENT was written. In the 1700's, every person....ALL PEOPLE, had weapons (guns) that protected them, and provided a means for them to hunt for their food.

Little did the Founding Fathers (The Authors of the Constitution) know anything about SPLITTING WORDS, MAKING CHANGES TO THE CONTEXT OF THE LANGUAGE, or POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, Driven by Lying, and Politicians who are selfishly twisting words to get elected.

bullypulpit
10-24-2016, 07:14 PM
You fail again bully. Your interpretation, and your demands that the 2nd amendment is limited to the "well regulated militia"....comes from your intentional avoidance of stating WHEN THE 2ND AMENDMENT was written. In the 1700's, every person....ALL PEOPLE, had weapons (guns) that protected them, and provided a means for them to hunt for their food.

Little did the Founding Fathers (The Authors of the Constitution) know anything about SPLITTING WORDS, MAKING CHANGES TO THE CONTEXT OF THE LANGUAGE, or POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, Driven by Lying, and Politicians who are selfishly twisting words to get elected.

You are right. At that period in our history very nearly every white male had a firearm...a single shot musket.
You and Elessar are so fun to troll...the least contradiction to your simplistic, delicate and distorted world view...the least hint of fact..and y'all just go off the rails. It's hugely entertaining.

Elessar
10-24-2016, 07:22 PM
You are right. At that period in our history very nearly every white male had a firearm...a single shot musket.
You and Elessar are so fun to troll...the least contradiction to your simplistic, delicate and distorted world view...the least hint of fact..and y'all just go off the rails. It's hugely entertaining.

I sometimes like jostling with idiots.

Nice to see you admit to being a troll.

aboutime
10-24-2016, 08:04 PM
You are right. At that period in our history very nearly every white male had a firearm...a single shot musket.
You and Elessar are so fun to troll...the least contradiction to your simplistic, delicate and distorted world view...the least hint of fact..and y'all just go off the rails. It's hugely entertaining.



Thanks again bully. Since you admitted it here. I will keep your photo in my wallet.

How old were you in this one?...
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