CNN/Youtube Debate "Goatse'd"--Hoax or No?

[Hagbard Celine]

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/4746/

(NNC) - When CNN and YouTube decided to pair up and merge the mediums of television and internet, neither companies quite expected to get all the baggage that comes with user-submitted, online-oriented content. This time, that baggage came in the form of a hidden online secret image, lovingly labeled “GOATSE,” based on the original website “goatse.cx.”

“GOATSE” refers to an image that began circulating the internet and infiltrating innocent users’ internet explorer windows as early as January 2000. But what makes this image so unique is its inherently offensive nature - portraying a man distending his anal lining with his two hands while providing a very clear image of his erect penis.

And despite an extensive screening and thorough analyzation of the videos submitted on behalf of YouTube and CNN alike, the image still made it under the radar and into tonight’s debate.

The incident in question came during a question about our nation’s healthcare system. The user who submitted the video was speaking innocuously into the camera when the image of “goatse” was flashed for the briefest moment in 1/24th of a second, ranging just above the framerate treshhold with which television broadcasts.


Goatse in top-right corner…

Though the image flashed only briefly, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were seen wincing at the image. Whether or not it was recognized remains unknown.

As of this time, it is unclear as to how many Americans witnessed the outrage, but there are reports of as many as 200,000 phone calls made to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) reporting the obscenity.

CNN has yet to make an official statement regarding the matter, but a top spokesman was reportedly overheard denouncing the incident as “despicable.”

Developing…

POSTED BY BEN GOLDING, 9:54:03 NEW YORK, NY

*I'm trying to determine if this is in fact a hoax. We're planning on re-broadcasting the debate in the near future and I've already informed the producers about this so they can look out for it. If it's there, it needs to be removed. Do any of you know if this is credible?

*Warning: Oh yeah, "goatse" is very offensive. Don't google it unless you want to see the picture in question. Really everything you need to know is in the text I posted.

[red states rule]

This "debate" was a perfect example of why Dems can't be trusted with running the nation and defending the country

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Oh give me a fuckin' break!

Isn't it obvious that "goatse" is a Republifascist?

After all, its a fact that there are more perverts and sex criminals on the right than there are on the left.

Here are some examples:

http://www.armchairsubversive.org/


Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, both already under siege for other matters, are now being accused of failing to prosecute officers of the Texas Youth Commission after a Texas Ranger investigation documented that guards and administrators were sexually abusing the institution's teenage boy inmates.

Among the charges in the Texas Ranger report were that administrators would rouse boys from their sleep for the purpose of conducting all-night sex parties.


RESIGNED. MATTHEW GLAVIN, 47, president of the conservative Southeastern Legal Foundation, which is seeking to have President Clinton disbarred in Arkansas; after being charged with public indecency for allegedly fondling himself and an undercover park ranger in May in Georgia's Chattahoochee River National Recreation Area; in Atlanta. Glavin, who has fought against affirmative-action policies and same-sex benefits, denies the charges.

There are, of course, countless more republifascist sex criminals.
It seems that the "conservative" mindset breeds perverts.

[red states rule]

Oh give me a fuckin' break!

Isn't it obvious that "goatse" is a Republifascist?

After all, its a fact that there are more perverts and sex criminals on the right than there are on the left.

Here are some examples:

http://www.armchairsubversive.org/





There are, of course, countless more republifascist sex criminals.
It seems that the "conservative" mindset breeds perverts.


Angry so early in the morning? My, libs are in a testy mood these days

[Spyder Jerusalem]

When brain-damaged idiots like you try to shift the blame like you do, yes, it pisses me off.

I defy you to find as many Democrat perverts and sex criminals as there are Republican child molesters, hypocritical fags, and perverts.


My, libs are in a testy mood these days

Don't call me a "lib" unless you mean Libertarian.

But I don't expect a brain-damaged republifascist shill like you to know what that means.

[red states rule]

When brain-damaged idiots like you try to shift the blame like you do, yes, it pisses me off.

I defy you to find as many Democrat perverts and sex criminals as there are Republican child molesters, hypocritical fags, and perverts.



Don't call me a "lib" unless you mean Libertarian.

But I don't expect a brain-damaged republifascist shill like you to know what that means.

Testy today, aren't you?

Jerry Studs admitted having se with an undrage page. Libs gave him a standing O" on the Senate floor and promoted him

Libs circle the wagons around those Dems who are caught - Republicans get rid of Republicans who do worng

[red states rule]

When brain-damaged idiots like you try to shift the blame like you do, yes, it pisses me off.

I defy you to find as many Democrat perverts and sex criminals as there are Republican child molesters, hypocritical fags, and perverts.



Don't call me a "lib" unless you mean Libertarian.

But I don't expect a brain-damaged republifascist shill like you to know what that means.

Here yo go libbie

Information compiled from the Washington Post, “Congressional Sex Scandals in History,” and other sources.

10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1713550/posts

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Testy today, aren't you?
I'm always testy when I'm burying my boot ankle deep in fascist ass!



Jerry Studs admitted having se with an undrage page. Libs gave him a standing O" on the Senate floor and promoted him
Bullshit, is that all you got, Jerry Studs?

You don't even know the full fuckin' story.
Or do you and yer just hidin' the truth, like most republifascists, because it hurts your position?


He was the first openly gay national politician in the U.S. In 1983, he admitted to having had an affair with a 17-year-old page in 1973 and was censured by the House of Representatives.

17 years old is not "underage", asshole.

According to the law, 17 is the age of consent.
So, you are being deliberately deceptive, aren't you?

Why am I not surprised that a republifasicst spreads lies?

Again, is that all you've got, a thirty year old svcandal?

I can post over a hundred RECENT criminal acts by republifascist sex-criminals and perverts.
You know, things that happened in the last decade!

:finger3:

[red states rule]

I'm always testy when I'm burying my boot ankle deep in fascist ass!



Bullshit, is that all you got, Jerry Studs?

You don't even know the full fuckin' story.
Or do you and yer just hidin' the truth, like most republifascists, because it hurts your position?



17 years old is not "underage", asshole.

According to the law, 17 is the age of consent.
So, you are being deliberately deceptive, aren't you?

Why am I not surprised that a republifasicst spreads lies?

Again, is that all you've got, a thirty year old svcandal?

I can post over a hundred RECENT criminal acts by republifascist sex-criminals and perverts.
You know, things that happened in the last decade!

:finger3:
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You have the spin machine turned up to turbo

[red states rule]

Sex Scandals and Double Standards
Two parties, two pages, two different outcomes.
by Charles Krauthammer
10/16/2006, Volume 012, Issue 05

IN 1983, REPRESENTATIVE GERRY Studds, Democrat of Massachusetts, admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old male page. He was censured by the House of Representatives. During the vote, which he was compelled by House rules to be present for, Studds turned his back on the House to show his contempt for his colleagues' reprimand. He was not expelled from the Democratic Caucus. In fact, he was his party's nominee in the next election in his district--and the next five after that--winning reelection each time. He remained in the bosom of the Democratic Caucus in the House for the next 13 years.

In 2006, Republican congressman Mark Foley was found to have been engaged in lurid sexual Internet correspondence with a 16-year-old House page. There is no evidence yet of his ever laying a hand on anyone, let alone having sex with a page. When discovered, he immediately resigned. Had he not, says Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, "I would have demanded his expulsion." Not only is Foley gone, but half the Republican House leadership has been tarred. Hastert himself came within an inch of political extinction.

Am I missing something? There seems to be an odd difference in the disposition of the two cases. By any measure, what Studds did was worse. By any measure, his treatment was infinitely more lenient.

Moreover, in the case of Studds, I do not recall demands for investigations of the Democratic leadership about what they knew about Studds and when they knew it. Yet Hastert is pilloried
for having not done something about Foley.

The usual explanation is that Republicans deserve extra scrutiny and punishment because of hypocrisy. They campaign ostentatiously for family values while undermining them in private. Foley, for example, was a founder and co-chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children.

True. Hypocrisy it is. And hypocrisy is certainly a vice. But is it a capital offense? Was Studds's perverse defiance about having sex with a 17-year-old page--as dramatized by his turning his back on the House during the censure vote--a virtue?

The other charge that seeks to generalize the crime is to cite the Foley affair as an example of the arrogance of power. I don't get this one either. There is arrogance in dealing with lobbyists like Jack Abramoff; in shamelessly trading earmarks in the dead of night; in holding up voting on the floor of the House (in violation of House rules) in order to turn the vote of a recalcitrant member. That's abuse of power. But Foley's actions were no more an example of arrogance of power than was the drunken Wilbur Mills watching his paramour, the stripper Fanne Foxe, jump into the Tidal Basin. Call it dalliance or deviance. It has nothing to do with arrogance.

As for the alleged arrogance of the House leadership, what was Hastert supposed to have done? Contrary to the impression given in initial press reports, in 2005 Hastert did not see the damning instant message traffic that brought Foley down. What he saw were emails that were not sexual or lurid, but merely inappropriately friendly.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/798fojwv.asp

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Not much of an answer, but, then, what should I expect from a brain-damaged, turd-suckin, republifascist?

When presented with facts, they bury their faces and deny, deny, deny.
As usual.

When you';ve actually got somethin relevent to rebut with, lemme know so I can dye my grey pubes black again.

[red states rule]

Not much of an answer, but, then, what should I expect from a brain-damaged, turd-suckin, republifascist?

When presented with facts, they bury their faces and deny, deny, deny.
As usual.

When you';ve actually got somethin relevent to rebut with, lemme know so I can dye my grey pubes black again.

You are the one doing the liberal two step when confronted with the crimes committed by Dems

ABC Ignored Teen-Sex Scandal of Democrat Mel Reynolds Until 1995 Conviction
By Tim Graham | October 5, 2006 - 13:26 ET
Congressman Mel Reynolds, the Democrat convicted of 12 charges, including sex with 16-year-old Beverly Heard and asking her to take pornographic photographs of a 15-year old, was indicted on August 21, 1994. ABC, the current scourge of congressional teen-sex scandals, reported nothing – until Reynolds was convicted a year later, on August 23, 1995. In fact, on May 13, 1994, ABC featured Reynolds in a "Person of the Week" speaking out in favor of two Chicago ladies fighting child molesters:

Peter Jennings: " Their local congressman is certainly on their side. He also wants to make child molesting a federal offense."


Rep. Mel Reynolds (D), Illinois: "These ladies really illustrate how being active in your community can really make a difference."


Jennings: " If the law is to change, it will need the support of many more state legislators, which means more mothers will have to get involved."


ABC’s World News Tonight story on Reynolds being convicted on August 23, 1995, didn’t have any fury about how Democrats could allow this sexual predator in their caucus. For their part, ABC seemed more suffused with sadness than outrage:

Diane Sawyer, substitute anchor: "In Chicago, Congressman Mel Reynolds remains free on his own recognizance after his conviction last night of having sex with a minor. His lawyers say they'll appeal. In the meantime, the Illinois Democrat will continue to pick up a paycheck, as ABC's Ron Claiborne reports."


Ron Claiborne: "In the end, it was Mel Reynolds' own words that led to his conviction on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old girl. Jurors said the most powerful evidence against him was police tape recordings of his intimate phone conversations with Beverly Heard, now 19."


Jeslyn Cipriani, Juror: "It was the tapes, the transcripts that we heard, Mel and Beverly talking."


Claiborne: "At one point on the tapes, which were made with Heard's cooperation, she and Reynolds discussed what underwear he prefers. He also uses explicit language as he talks about having sex with her and with himself. On the stand, Reynolds denied ever having sex with Heard. He insisted their conversations were only phone sex fantasies. But the jury convicted him of all 12 felony counts, including sexual abuse and sexual assault. He was also found guilty of soliciting child pornography for asking Heard for a nude photo of a 15-year-old girl; and of obstruction of justice, for trying to get Heard to recant her accusations.

"The convictions likely end Reynolds' promising political career. He had risen from a childhood of poverty in rural Mississippi to Harvard, Oxford Rhodes scholar and to Congress."


Gary LaPaille, Illinois Democratic Chairman: "He was amassing a lot of friends. He was amassing a good political operation. And he was standing out above the crowd."


Claiborne: "Reynolds now faces a minimum mandatory four-year prison sentence. But the felony convictions do not mean he must give up his House seat."


Dan White, Illinois Election Board: "Only on a vote of Congress could he be expelled. And that takes a two-thirds vote of Congress to do so."


Claiborne: "Expulsion from the House is rare. Michael Myers of Pennsylvania, who was convicted of taking bribes in the 1980 Abscam investigation, is the only congressman to be removed from office since the Civil War. Today, House Speaker Gingrich said he would not press for a vote to expel Reynolds.


Rep. Newt Gingrich, Speaker of the House: "He hasn't even been-- he hasn't even been sentenced yet. So I think we have to wait and see."


Claiborne: "Traditionally, Congress members convicted of serious crimes do resign. But Reynolds, who is said to be $150,000 in debt and broke, may try to hang onto his seat and the $133,000 a year salary that goes with it. Ron Claiborne, ABC News, Chicago."


Do you sense that the political atmosphere surrounding Reynolds (including the puzzling wait-and-see Gingrich) was a little different back then? ABC had no mention of Mel Reynolds when Bill Clinton pardoned him in 2001.

http://newsbusters.org/node/8110

[Spyder Jerusalem]

The biggest difference between Studds and Foley is that Studds admitted what he did, and Foley had to be CAUGHT.
Oh, and Foley's rape victim was 16 years old!

But, is this all you've got?

Gerry Studds?

How about these?

Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.

Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.

Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.

Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.

Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period.
Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.

Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtin was convicted of molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in prison.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

[red states rule]

Democrats Hypocrites on Sex Scandals

While they react with fury over the scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley, Democrats maintain a discreet silence over the numerous sex scandals that have rocked their own party.

And unlike Republican scandals like Foley's, where shame and resignation were the outcome, the Democrats' shameful behavior were either blithely ignored or jocularly accepted.

For example, former Chicago Democratic Congressman Mel Reynolds received a commutation of his six-and-a-half-year federal sentence for 15 convictions of wire fraud, bank fraud and lies to the Federal Election Commission. He also was convicted of having sex with an underage campaign volunteer. But Jesse Jackson added Reynolds to Rainbow/PUSH Coalition's payroll.

Moreover, Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused in President Clinton's last-minute pardon spree.

As Deroy Murdock, a columnist for Scripps Howard News Service, wrote back in 2002: "This is a first in American politics: An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate, won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate, then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate. His new job? ... Youth counselor."

Of course, Murdock's "president" reference was to Clinton, who admitted to inappropriate sexual behavior with White House intern Monica Lewinsky; the "clergyman" was Jackson, who also had an affair with a former Rainbow/PUSH Coalition aide.

After receiving Clinton's pardon, Reynolds became a consultant for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition on prison reform. He was employed as the community development director of Salem Baptist Church in Chicago.

More notorious was the case of Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., In 1989, male prostitute Stephen L. Gobie admitted that Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., knew that Gobie had operated a prostitution service out of Frank's Capitol Hill apartment. Frank, an openly gay member of Congress, confirmed that he had Gobie as a roommate in his apartment. Frank said he fired Gobie when he learned that clients were visiting his apartment.

Was Frank told by the Democratic leadership to resign his seat as Foley was forced to do?

Not at all. That was 17 years ago, and he is still a member of Congress, a respected member of the Democratic minority and is slated to assume the chairmanship of a key House committee should the Democrats recapture control of the House.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/10/2/223310.shtml?s=rss

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Moreover, Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused in President Clinton's last-minute pardon spree.

Gosh, how many criminals did Bush I pardon as he was leaving office?

Oh yeah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush

I wonder how many we can expect Bush Jr. to pardon?

Your outrage is, I think misplaced.

You act as if Clinton was the only president who pardoned "criminals".
Now that Bush has commuted Libby, he's well on his way to his own cadre of "criminals".

Why am I not surprised that you don't give half a dogturd about these fuckers?

Jerry Dean Walker (1989 cocaine distribution)
Wendy St. Charles (1984 conspiracy to trade narcotics and cocaine distribution)
John Gregory Schillace (1988 conspiracy to possess cocaine for distribution)
George Thomas Harley (1984 aiding and abetting the distribution of cocaine. Pardoned December 21, 2006)


I'm sure Bush Jr. said "but DAD, you've gotta let my coke dealers out of jail! I owe all the rest of them money, and they won't sell to me. Pardon these guuys and I'll be able to get some good dope again!"

Something like that?

[red states rule]

Moreover, Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused in President Clinton's last-minute pardon spree.

Gosh, how many criminals did Bush I pardon as he was leaving office?

Oh yeah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush

I wonder how many we can expect Bush Jr. to pardon?

Your outrage is, I think misplaced.

You act as if Clinton was the only president who pardoned "criminals".
Now that Bush has commuted Libby, he's well on his way to his own cadre of "criminals".

Why am I not surprised that you don't give half a dogturd about these fuckers?

Jerry Dean Walker (1989 cocaine distribution)
Wendy St. Charles (1984 conspiracy to trade narcotics and cocaine distribution)
John Gregory Schillace (1988 conspiracy to possess cocaine for distribution)
George Thomas Harley (1984 aiding and abetting the distribution of cocaine. Pardoned December 21, 2006)


I'm sure Bush Jr. said "but DAD, you've gotta let my coke dealers out of jail! I owe all the rest of them money, and they won't sell to me. Pardon these guuys and I'll be able to get some good dope again!"

Something like that?

the rabid left bellows more hate

[Hagbard Celine]

Does anyone have anything to say about the subject of the thread? Or this going to turn into yet another pissing contest between RedStatesRule and whoever was naive enough to reply to his bullsh*t?

[red states rule]

Does anyone have anything to say about the subject of the thread? Or this going to turn into yet another pissing contest between RedStatesRule and whoever was naive enough to reply to his bullsh*t?

I am chewing this clown up and spitting him out

Is that what you are really upset about?

I said how the "debate" was a waste of time and a joke - but this dope came in and started with the insults and attacks

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Hey, I did reply to the issue.

I can't help it if a brain-dead republifascist pig-fucker decided to spread his cheeks for my boot.

[red states rule]

Hey, I did reply to the issue.

I can't help it if a brain-dead republifascist pig-fucker decided to spread his cheeks for my boot.

You have the liberasl debate tactics down pat

1. Avoid factual arguments, they're usually against you anyway.

2. If for some obscure reason the facts actually fall your way (an extremely rare occurrence) then repeat them endlessly regardless of the reply of your conservative opponent. Remember time is limited, use this against him.

3. Get as personal and vicious as you can, maybe it will distract your opponent from his train of thought.

4. If you are unable to insult him with the usual insults such as 'racist', 'homophobe', or 'bigot', then insult someone else on his side (someone related to the subject under discussion is preferable but not required).

5. When you're losing, and you usually will be, abruptly change the subject. Again the object of this is to distract and deflect attention from your opponent's argument.

6. Talk loudly and rapidly, don't allow your opponent to get a word in. Remember the more time you consume, the less time your opponent will have.

7. Use hyperbole as an example of your opponent's argument and suggest that that is what they are suggesting.

8. Purposely misunderstand what is being said by your opponent and distort it into something you can use.

9. Make up 'facts' most people don't check them and anyway, you'll be long gone by the time the truth is known, and so will the audience.

10. Expect perfection. Focus on the slightest flaw in your opponent's argument, any kind of mistake, grammatical, spelling, contextual, anything no matter how slight is sufficient to deflect attention away from how vacuous your arguments are.

11. Act insulted. Take umbrage at the slightest contradiction and act as if it is a personal insult. This will make your personal attack seem warranted and just.

12. Mug the camera or audience while your opponent is speaking, make faces, sneering is good, head-shaking better, and looking toward the ceiling is best [notice the avoidance of the word Heaven, Liberals avoid words of a religious nature WM]. Let the audience know you disagree with your opponent (even if you’ve no idea what he’s saying)

13. Use condescending laughter as much as you can. It serves two purposes, first, it dismisses your opponent as being unworthy of your respect and second, it shows your contempt for his arguments. This is a very powerful tool and can really annoy your opponent and disrupt his train of thought.

14. You’re an arrogant Liberal; demonstrate your obvious intellectual superiority by acting in a condescending manner.

15. Forget how many of the wealthiest in this nation are Liberals, always beat the drum of “Rich Republicans” and “working class Democrats.”

16. Finally, always remember style trumps substance. Know it, Live it.
"
http://mongomutter.blogspot.com/2005/08/liberal-debate-playbook-from-will.html

[Spyder Jerusalem]

I am chewing this clown up and spitting him out
Hey, the only thing you chew up and spit out are the great steaming turds I unloaded in yer craw.

Mebbe you should detach yer lips from my anus now.
Oh, an' couldja lick it clean 'for ya go, I'm out of Charmin
Thanks!

[red states rule]

Hey, the only thing you chew up and spit out are the great steaqmiong turds I unloaded in yer craw.

Mebbe you should detach yer lips from my anus now.
Oh, an' couldja lick it clean 'for ya go, I'm out of Charmin
Thanks!

Let me know when you actually male a valid point - they happen so little they will be easy to remember

[Kathianne]

Prime thread for Steel Cage?

[Spyder Jerusalem]

A point by point response to yer silly little cut and paste bullshit.

1 everything I've stated so far is fact. I don't lie.

2 The facts allways fall my way. If I argue it, it is most certainly fact. Get used to it.

3 Republifascists know a lot about "personal and vicious" which is why they deserve nothin less. Get over it or go away.

4 If you consider facts about the countless republifascist sex-criminals to be "insults" then why do you continue to support them?

5 I didn't change the subject, you did. I commented on the topic, goatse pictures and you changed the subject to Gery Studs, because you knew you couldn't contradict anything I was saying. When in doubt, change subjects, right? That's the republifascist way.

6 I give you more than enough rope to hang yerself with and now yer complainin' that its hard to breathe? Now yer a fuckin' comedian!

7 Hyperbole? Do you even know what that means Red? Don't C&P things you don't understand.

8 Now yer just reaching. The only distortionist here is you. I am so direct and to the point it fuckin hurts.


I would be happy to respond to the rest, but I don't really think it matters.

Eight was enough to show how full of shit you are.

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Let me know when you actually male a valid point - they happen so little they will be easy to remember

I am always valid and I always make a point.

Too bad you are too brain-dead to understand.
Republifascism is a disease of the mind, and it makes those who cling to it stupid.

[red states rule]

Good post of fiction

You only lie you type a post - other then that you just rant and rave about nothing

[Spyder Jerusalem]

It might be easier to take you seriously if you could construct a readable post.

As it is, it feels like I'm talkin' to a 5th grader in special ed.

I defy you to show where I have "lied".

Its usually liars that accuse others of lying, you know.
Best examine the plank in yer own eye, special red.

[red states rule]

It might be easier to take you seriously if you could construct a readable post.

As it is, it feels like I'm talkin' to a 5th grader in special ed.

I defy you to show where I have "lied".

Its usually liars that accuse others of lying, you know.
Best examine the plank in yer own eye, special red.

Yep, you do follow the liberal debate tacitcs perfectly

Another lib suffering from Bush Dernagement Syndrome - what a pity