The Media/Democrat Collusion Is Most Troubling

[Kathianne]

One can be very much against Trump and still be even more worried about the partnership of the media and Clinton push.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/lockstep-partnership-clintons-media-bad-america/


The Lockstep Partnership Between Clintons And The Media Is Bad For America
(http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/lockstep-partnership-clintons-media-bad-america/)


There are three possible explanations for the timing of this week's oppo dump. None look particularly good for the media.


At the presidential debate on Sunday night, Anderson Cooper of CNN thrice asked the same question in reference to the “Access Hollywood” tape that had been leaked two days prior. The text doesn’t quite give the indication of just how hard Cooper pushed for the denial, but here it is:


For the record, are you saying, what you said on the bus 11 years ago, that you did not kiss women without consent or grope women without consent.

So you’re saying you never did that.


Have you ever done those things?



That night, prominent #NeverTrumperBen Shapiro wrote (https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/785324451592142848), “This exchange is the set-up. The next week is going to be the punch line.” He added (https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/785325663611781124), “That Cooper grilling was a complete set-up, and Trump fell for it. Every woman Trump ever kissed without permission will now come out.”

Within a few days, a series of negative stories about Donald Trump making unwanted advances on women were unveiled throughout the political-media industrial complex. BuzzFeed, The New York Times, The Guardian, the Palm Beach Post, CBS News, Peoplemagazine, and NBC News all released stories within a few hours of each other.

They’re all unseemly. The People piece by Natasha Stoynoff (http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/), for instance, is about how she did a feature on the first anniversary of Trump’s third wedding. She writes that she went to Mar-a-Largo and he stuck his tongue down her throat and said they’d have an affair. She says he also bragged about his sexual prowess and then acted normal whenever Melania was around.

None of it is particularly surprising for a man who spent decades bragging about his sexual prowess, adultery, handsiness, sexual entitlement, and so on and so forth. I mean, here’s Jay Leno joking about a Trump candidacy in the 1990s:

video at site

JM Rieger @RiegerReport (https://twitter.com/RiegerReport)
Jay Leno pretty much predicted how horrible this election would be back in 1999:
5:01 PM - 9 Oct 2016 (https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/785269019167363072)



(https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=785269019167363072)


That this information is coming out is all so obvious that if you saw all these warning signs — and everyone saw these warning signs — and still supported Trump, you should look inward.

Still, it’s intriguing that there was an obviously coordinated push. Opposition researcher Luke Thompson, also not a Trump fan, had some thoughts on the coordination (https://twitter.com/ltthompso):


Ok. Trump is horrible. But I want to talk a little bit about the oppo dump that’s happening in real time. This is world class work folks. This is a brilliantly coordinated drop, with staggered embargoes. First, notice the mix of local outlets and national outlets. There’s a great mix of print and broadcast as well. Start with the NYT to get eyeballs on the web and TV. CNN picks it up immediately. Ok. Now you’ve got a story rolling. Within an hour, you start to get multiple waves coming out of local outlets. These get picked up. Within ninety minutes you’ve got reporters reporting on existing reporting. The cycle is locked in. Nobody’s assessing the stories. And here’s the kicker: the victims live in FL, OH, even UT. THEY’RE ALL SWING STATES! It’s masterful to be honest. Take a bow.




Perhaps if the target weren’t someone as reprobate and immoral as Donald Trump one could muster some sympathy. But he chose the wanton, unscrupulous lifestyle and bragged about it. So the mood upon seeing this coordinated attack is more like this scene from the great 2004 film “Anchorman”:



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This was the second debate in a row that set up a media attack on Trump. In the first debate, the work was done by Hillary Clinton herself. Folks noted at the time she had rushed through a response on one question and added in a mention of a Miss Universe who had said Trump called her fat. The next morning, Cosmopolitan and The Guardianpublished photo features of Alicia Machado that had been waiting around. The New York Times had a double-bylined article published within hours (http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/29/alicia-machado-is-2016s-sandra-fluke-a-democratic-public-relations-scam/). And the rest of the media — and Trump himself, of course — kept the story going all week.

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[Drummond]

One can be very much against Trump and still be even more worried about the partnership of the media and Clinton push.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/lockstep-partnership-clintons-media-bad-america/

The latest so-called 'revelations' about Trump involve a slickness and a opportune timing that should be obvious to many.

When did Trump begin his push for victory in the GOP race to become its Presidential contender ?

When did he succeed in that aim ?

How long has it been, since that victory, to now ?

Did any of this - be it a certain decade-old video, to the current accusations, surface, until approximately ONE WEEK ago ? And ... why not ? Why the silence, over ALL of that time ... until NOW ?

The answer's obvious. It's all intended to smear Trump, but, at the very time when his chance of electoral success is at its most vulnerable, at the time, particularly, when it'll all be very fresh in the minds of the electorate, on polling day.

Here's another thought. Given time and opportunity, FALSE allegations can be shown to be exactly that. Ah, but, wait until almost the last moment before making them .. and their convincing refutation is difficult to establish to everyone's satisfaction. Trump is best served by disproving the allegations, but, if he's not been given enough time to do that ... well, then the damage is done.

I believe that this is one giant smear campaign, arranged in tandem between Left-leaning media and the Dems.

But let me pose this further question (an obvious one ?).

With the media willing to go this far, it surely can be argued that reporting on Trump generally is 'suspect'. So, just how much of the so-called 'bad' reports we've been fed on Trump, actually GENUINELY and ACCURATELY represent him, and his intentions ? How much is spin ? Over here in the UK, we're led to believe by our own media that Trump is thoroughly racist, a bully, a misogynist, a bigot, and a significant danger to the entire planet !

How much of all of this is hype ? How much is sheer invention ? How much completely twists what Trump is really all about ?

If it becomes obvious to the American People that the timing of these 'sudden revelations' is just TOO convenient to be anything other than deeply suspicious, maybe, just maybe, a great many people will question any negative perceptions they have about him. And a backlash against it will occur.

To question in that way is surely the intelligent approach to take. Only those deeply committed to an anti-Trump prejudice would be determined to fail to question in this way ... I suggest ....

[SassyLady]

I knew when Cooper kept pressing him during the debate, using the word "assault", there was something the media was sitting on.

I hate October in election years. Just when you think it's almost over the ugliness just gets uglier. It's like the parties are trying to see who can drive the knife deeper.

Remember when everyone called Megan Kelly a bimbo because she tried to get this stuff on table to be dealt with during the primaries? Well, now it's come back to bite him on the ass and probably too late to repair the damage.

[Drummond]

I knew when Cooper kept pressing him during the debate, using the word "assault", there was something the media was sitting on.

I hate October in election years. Just when you think it's almost over the ugliness just gets uglier. It's like the parties are trying to see who can drive the knife deeper.

Remember when everyone called Megan Kelly a bimbo because she tried to get this stuff on table to be dealt with during the primaries? Well, now it's come back to bite him on the ass and probably too late to repair the damage.

When each candidate should be setting before the electorate their arguments as to why their Parties offer America a better future, instead, all we're really seeing is this sudden avalanche of sleaze. Sleaze that's drowning out consideration of other matters.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of that sleaze campaign .. what we have here is an election that may be decided on the extent of sleaze that's been brought to the Peoples' attention. Hardly a decent way of deciding America's future, I'd have thought.

Do those responsible deserve to profit by it ?

[revelarts]

One can be very much against Trump and still be even more worried about the partnership of the media and Clinton push.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/lockstep-partnership-clintons-media-bad-america/


outstanding piece.
the media is corrupt, only says what it wants people to hear, when they want us to hear it.

This is why it's so frustrating for sources OUTSIDE of mainstream media to speak. As a matter of course people DO NOT believe them, because
if the MSM has not reported on it then somehow it can't be true. Especially if it goes against current popular views of people or events.
But it's even worse when people fail to believe a story because their FAVORITE MSM news sources haven't reported on it. Or their FAVORITE MSM news sources have made lame excuses to allow a semi rational dismissal of facts.

Far to many people believe that if the MSM hasn't reported on or confirmed it then it's not even real.

MSM and politicians are reality warping engines.

[Kathianne]

outstanding piece.
the media is corrupt, only says what it wants people to hear, when they want us to hear it.

This is why it's so frustrating for sources OUTSIDE of mainstream media to speak. As a matter of course people DO NOT believe them, because
if the MSM has not reported on it then somehow it can't be true. Especially if it goes against current popular views of people or events.
But it's even worse when people fail to believe a story because their FAVORITE MSM news sources haven't reported on it. Or their FAVORITE MSM news sources have made lame excuses to allow a semi rational dismissal of facts.

Far to many people believe that if the MSM hasn't reported on or confirmed it then it's not even real.

MSM and politicians are reality warping engines.

Rev, I'm glad you liked the article. I will say though that to my surprise, some of the new media has actually moved towards being absorbed by the larger media. I've seen Ace of Spades, Glenn Reynolds, various writers from Hot Air, etc., on various news, radio shows. Some so far seem to have maintained most of their positions, but they certainly are flattered, no doubt on that.

Reminds me a lot of when I had so much hope for the Tea Party that sprung up so organically, then within 6 months those with money/influence were absorbed by the Newt Gingrich cabal, leaving just the nutters at the top. Those are the same folks now leading the populists that are begging for civil war.

That there you know of 'alt media' that doesn't play at all on major media, doesn't mean they are being ignored, but their point of view may just be really wrong or off. Alex Jones really fits that bill. Many of the 'conspiracy media' also do. Indeed, they may well fit in with those that I am referring to as 'populists' or in some cases nothing but anarchists.

[SassyLady]

When each candidate should be setting before the electorate their arguments as to why their Parties offer America a better future, instead, all we're really seeing is this sudden avalanche of sleaze. Sleaze that's drowning out consideration of other matters.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of that sleaze campaign .. what we have here is an election that may be decided on the extent of sleaze that's been brought to the Peoples' attention. Hardly a decent way of deciding America's future, I'd have thought.

Do those responsible deserve to profit by it ?

And now all we hear is Trump on attack ....

[Abbey Marie]

I knew when Cooper kept pressing him during the debate, using the word "assault", there was something the media was sitting on.

I hate October in election years. Just when you think it's almost over the ugliness just gets uglier. It's like the parties are trying to see who can drive the knife deeper.

Remember when everyone called Megan Kelly a bimbo because she tried to get this stuff on table to be dealt with during the primaries? Well, now it's come back to bite him on the ass and probably too late to repair the damage.


Me too, Sass. Me too.

[Drummond]

And now all we hear is Trump on attack ....

No doubt that's the way it's being spun ? Surely the reality is that he's defending himself, not attacking.

And I like a report I've read - a challenge to Hillary to submit to a drug test just before the next live debate. I wonder if she'll decline ?

[Gunny]

No doubt that's the way it's being spun ? Surely the reality is that he's defending himself, not attacking.

And I like a report I've read - a challenge to Hillary to submit to a drug test just before the next live debate. I wonder if she'll decline ?
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Trump needs to go on the attack and he needs to go after Hillary. The aren't holding back He ain't got a lot to lose at this point. He's playing their game.

[aboutime]

Hey everyone. Most all of us here have been saying exactly what Trump is actually telling the rest of the country, every time he speaks.

We all knew the MSM was a product of the Democrats, Clinton's, and Obama's since long before Clinton became president back in 1992. Cheating, Lying, Extortion, Collusion, and Ignoring the Laws, with the Constitution is what created the HOSTILE, DIVIDED NATION we have today.

Like our enemies around the World, the Terrorists who want to destroy us. Crooked Democrats have been playing FAST, and LOOSE with our system of Laws. Using the Constitution as their defense, combined with the extreme POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that even sends children home from school for pointing their fingers at others...LOOKING LIKE A GUN.

We're all screwed, and we know it. Like it or not. If Hillary wins. WE ARE FINISHED, PERIOD.

[revelarts]

Rev, I'm glad you liked the article. I will say though that to my surprise, some of the new media has actually moved towards being absorbed by the larger media. I've seen Ace of Spades, Glenn Reynolds, various writers from Hot Air, etc., on various news, radio shows. Some so far seem to have maintained most of their positions, but they certainly are flattered, no doubt on that.

Reminds me a lot of when I had so much hope for the Tea Party that sprung up so organically, then within 6 months those with money/influence were absorbed by the Newt Gingrich cabal, leaving just the nutters at the top. Those are the same folks now leading the populists that are begging for civil war.

That there you know of 'alt media' that doesn't play at all on major media, doesn't mean they are being ignored, but their point of view may just be really wrong or off. Alex Jones really fits that bill. Many of the 'conspiracy media' also do. Indeed, they may well fit in with those that I am referring to as 'populists' or in some cases nothing but anarchists.

the reality of various alternative voices being absorbed is sad but true. Seems to be standard operating procedure that the establishment... of all forms... uses.

But i have to say there's plenty of Alt media that is ignored, or summarily dismissed because they are perceived as "wrong or off" in general. Especially if the info they are presenting doesn't agree with the reader's/veiwer's preconceived POV.
While info that does fit the Listener's POV may be picked up from time to time.
for instance A right wing person might listen to Alex Jones about Benghazi but flatly reject him on other issues BECASUE "he's a conspiracy theorist" or "sounds like a nut" not because the facts presented are wrong on this or that issue. I'm not trying to defend Jones here he's just an example.
At the Same time Wikileaks is praised if the dirt is on Hillary but questioned to the Nth degree and called Traitorous if it's about a favored son of daughter.

But thankfully there are an an amazing number of alt sources available. And we have to say that even the the main stream puts stories out that a factual. Even though often Incomplete.
Sadly Adding them all together and using some discernment is the what we have to do to TRY to get close to reality news wise. The fact that a newsource has a populist, anarchist, conspiracist, socialist, capitalist, conservative, liberal or establishment POV is important to know but not a determining factor in whether or not what they are saying has some truth in it that should be accepted or not.
Sadly there is no one set of pure news sources. And Thankfully everyone is starting to wake up to the fact that the MSM are an establishment... powers-that-be... mouth piece. Not really democrat, not really leftist. If they were leftist they would have been working with Sanders not Hillary. MSM primarily leans toward the status-quo Powers-that-be, globalist for the benefit the big corporations and their political cronies news.

[Kathianne]

the reality of various alternative voices being absorbed is sad but true. Seems to be standard operating procedure that the establishment... of all forms... uses.

But i have to say there's plenty of Alt media that is ignored, or summarily dismissed because they are perceived as "wrong or off" in general. Especially if the info they are presenting doesn't agree with the reader's/veiwer's preconceived POV.
While info that does fit the Listener's POV may be picked up from time to time.
for instance A right wing person might listen to Alex Jones about Benghazi but flatly reject him on other issues BECASUE "he's a conspiracy theorist" not because the Facts say he wrong on this or that issue. I'm not trying to defend Jones here he's just an example.
At the Same time Wikileaks is praised if the dirt is on Hillary but questioned to the Nth degree and called Traitorous if it's about a favored son of daughter.

But there are an an amazing number of alt sources available. and even the the main stream puts stories out that a factual.
Sadly Adding them all together and using some discernment is the what we have to do to TRY to get close to reality news wise. The fact that a newsource has a populist, anarchist, conspiracist, socialist, capitalist, conservative, liberal or establishment POV is important to know but not a determining factor in whether or not what they are saying has some truth in it that should be accepted or not.
Sadly there is no one set of pure news sources. And Thankfully everyone is starting to wake up to the fact that the MSM is an establishment... powers-that-be... mouth piece. Not really leftist. If they were leftist they would have been working with Sanders not Hillary. MSM is primarily status-quo Powers-that-be for the benefit the big corporations and their political cronies news.

I agree with the premise. I will read 'alt' sources, when linked by a source I trust, too often there's bad things that happen with clicking on unknown links. I read many sources, believe it or not there's few links posted here by others where I haven't read the story before. I post things that I'm interested in or agree with and hope others find them at least interesting. For myself, I read many things I KNOW most wouldn't find worth wading through.

With the bias now found in nearly all sources, whether purported to be 'news' or 'opinion' to not read the opposing side, leaves one basically ignorant. It shouldn't be that way, but here we are.

[revelarts]

I agree with the premise. I will read 'alt' sources, when linked by a source I trust, too often there's bad things that happen with clicking on unknown links. I read many sources, believe it or not there's few links posted here by others where I haven't read the story before. I post things that I'm interested in or agree with and hope others find them at least interesting. For myself, I read many things I KNOW most wouldn't find worth wading through.

With the bias now found in nearly all sources, whether purported to be 'news' or 'opinion' to not read the opposing side, leaves one basically ignorant. It shouldn't be that way, but here we are.


I don't have time to follow as much news as i used to.
but there are some go to Alt sources that I hit at least once or twice a month.
Blacklistednews (http://www.blacklistednews.com), Wahingtonblog (http://www.washingtonsblog.com), the federalist, AmericanThinker, the Corbett Report, Boiling frogspost, Infowars, Democracy Now, WND, therealnews.com, zerohedge.com, thefreethoughtproject, whowhatwhy
TYT and theBlaze are practically MSM to me since both came out of the MSM, even though they are very independent .

[fj1200]

One can be very much against Trump and still be even more worried about the partnership of the media and Clinton push.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/lockstep-partnership-clintons-media-bad-america/

A perfect example of why Citizens United was correct.

[Abbey Marie]

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Trump needs to go on the attack and he needs to go after Hillary. The aren't holding back He ain't got a lot to lose at this point. He's playing their game.

Yup. It's 4th down and we're behind by more than a field goal. He has to throw long.

[aboutime]

Yup. It's 4th down and we're behind by more than a field goal. He has to throw long.


Trump's HAIL MARY, hopefully will come Wednesday at the Debate.
Unless...as one rumor I read predicted....Hillary Won't SHOW!

But, she is such a selfish, self-centered, egotist....I suspect She'd show up Unconscious!:laugh:

[jimnyc]

When all is said and done, the media collusion will be peanuts next to the major agencies within government. And I wonder how the FBI, DOJ and the rest get repaid for their support?