Big Problem for Britain - leaving the EU

[darin]

If Britain leaves the EU without



The UK has to first notify the president of the European Council of its intention to leave. There are then two routes to leaving - one is through negotiation between the UK and the EU, and the other is that there is no agreement and the UK ceases to be a member two years from notifying the EU it intends to leave.

During that time Britain will continue to abide by EU treaties and laws, but not take part in any decision-making, as it negotiates a withdrawal agreement and the terms of its relationship with the now 27 nation bloc.

If there's no agreement - that is - if the EU will not agree with Britains terms, Britain may simply leave..

however - for TWO YEARS Britain will be beholden to the EU rules and policies. Since the Brits will have no say in the laws I fully expect the corrupt EU policy-makers to economically PUNISH, and punish with vengeance, the free-thinking Brits.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

[revelarts]

What kind of divorce is that where you can't leave unless they agree, or you can leave but have to obey their rules for 2 years without any say.

But If they just leave and don't abide by the rules WITHOUT EU representation then what?
dirty looks, higher tariffs ,sanctions, embargoes, war, what?

probably cost the UK less to do what the UK wants anyway and forget about what the EU thinks.
But politicians and the powers that be hate harsh breaks from the matrix. And like to put on a face of "co-operation" in matters like this. Can't have the public thinking they don't really need all this gov't activity.

[CSM]

So what happens if the UK just decides they will not follow EU rules and policies? Does the EU use it's economic and military might to destroy the UK? I am thinking that unless the UK rolls over and decides to be a non-voting member of the EU for two years, there isn't a lot the EU can do. Sure, the EU can make life miserable for the UK economically but the UK can also make their own trade agreements with non EU members....like China, Russia and the US....

It is going to be darn interesting to watch.

[gabosaurus]

What kind of divorce is that where you can't leave unless they agree, or you can leave but have to obey their rules for 2 years without any say.


A lot of women in bad marriages would like the same questions answered. :rolleyes:

[Elessar]

A lot of women in bad marriages would like the same questions answered. :rolleyes:

A lot of men in bad marriages would deserve answers, too.

[namvet]

they gave Osama one big collective finger

[Gunny]

A lot of women in bad marriages would like the same questions answered. :rolleyes:

I guarantee you a LOT more men wonder it. We're the ones that always end up paying for every damned thing.

[Gunny]

they gave Osama one big collective finger

Let's keep it in perspective. Brits gave the EU, socialism and Cameron the finger. Obama is just collateral damage. He hasn't shut up about it yet. He's like a toddler that doesn't get his way in the toy aisle at WalMart. Throws a little tantrum.

He was a spoiled brat as a kid, and it shows. He thinks he's important and impressive when he's a dumbass, spoiled, whiny little shit that cries like a baby if he doesn't get his way.

[Noir]

Well considering leadership in the Leave campaign are saying we shouldn't be too hasty about enacting article 50, and the EU are telling Britain to get out as soon as possible, I don't think the die is cast as projected in the OP

[Gunny]

Well considering leadership in the Leave campaign are saying we shouldn't be too hasty about enacting article 50, and the EU are telling Britain to get out as soon as possible, I don't think the die is cast as projected in the OP

The votes were cast. Socialism lost again. As it always does. The only people that are for socialism want to do nothing and suck off everyone else's work. You don't deserve what I've earned because you simply exist.

[aboutime]

The only BIG PROBLEM for Britain leaving the EU, comes from those who aren't happy about Great Britain REGAINING their Sovereignty from people who intended to destroy them.

[darin]

here's what's troubling me today...


People - perhaps millions but at least vocal people are really AGAINST free people being free. It's as if "We socialists formed a group - if that group isn't working out, or not working out for you, if you LEAVE you are somehow a bad person!" It's as if the EU is some doomsday cult and now folks wanna leave so the Cult is getting all Jim Jones.

Tolerance.

[Noir]

here's what's troubling me today...


People - perhaps millions but at least vocal people are really AGAINST free people being free. It's as if "We socialists formed a group - if that group isn't working out, or not working out for you, if you LEAVE you are somehow a bad person!" It's as if the EU is some doomsday cult and now folks wanna leave so the Cult is getting all Jim Jones.

Tolerance.

Do you think the leave campaign would have would have just sod off without so much as a whimper if they had lost the vote by 52:48?

Also it's a bit of a weird cult analogy when the other members of the cult are saying 'get out asap'.

[darin]

Do you think the leave campaign would have would have just sod off without so much as a whimper if they had lost the vote by 52:48?

Also it's a bit of a weird cult analogy when the other members of the cult are saying 'get out asap'.


I guess you can call those wishing to LEAVE a cult 'Cultists'...am I and 52% of voters in Britain - are we in our own "Liberty over Fascism Cult"? Okay.

[Noir]

I guess you can call those wishing to LEAVE a cult 'Cultists'...am I and 52% of voters in Britain - are we in our own "Liberty over Fascism Cult"? Okay.

Well regardless this could all be moot - Boris (leader of the leave campaign, and likey our next prime minister) has made a statement saying he wants to retain Single Market access. So we can wave goodbye to any prospect of restricting free movement, or saving hundreds of millions a week in payments to the EU.

[revelarts]

the Single market..?
had to look it up .
but OK yes, i remember it being called European "common market" .
I remember it was actually the E.U. version 1.0.

basically "FREE TRADE" zones similar to what they are trying to sell us now with NAFTAs type deals, The TPP, and the North American Union. uniting trade laws across boarders etc.
(Also being done in the African Union, the South american union, etc ..regionalism before full on world federalism)



The claim: The UK would continue to have access to the single market after leaving the European Union.
Reality Check verdict: The UK could continue to trade with the single market following an EU exit, but we do not know on what terms that trade would take place because that would be subject to years of negotiations.
On Wednesday morning at the start of his Vote Leave bus tour, Boris Johnson said the UK should get out of the single market but have access to it.
What do we mean by access? And if Britain leaves the European Union, what sort of relationship would it have with the single market?
What is the single market?

In the early 1990s the common market grew into the single market we know today.

At its heart is a free trade area, which is a market where there are no tariffs or taxes on trade between countries. While its members can trade freely with each other, they also impose common tariffs on imports from non-EU countries.
Being a member of the single market means a country gets the benefit of any trade deal struck between the EU and other countries - the flip side is that member states cannot set their own tariffs.
But the EU's single market is much more than a straightforward free trade area, because it also includes the free movement of goods, people and capital.
Crucial to the single market is a common framework of regulations that mean companies in countries such as the UK, France, Italy or Poland have to abide by common standards - whether they trade across the EU or not. That is to stop one business or country having an unfair advantage. Most countries in the single market also have a single currency - the euro - but the UK has not adopted it.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36270203

Seems the Germans are NOT on board with the UK having the benny's of Single market without the membership.
Can't just walk onto the golf course if don't want to be member of the club anymore.

[Noir]

Seems the Germans are NOT on board with the UK having the benny's of Single market without the membership.
Can't just walk onto the golf course if don't want to be member of the club anymore.

Exactly, and looking at the precedence that have been set by the likes of Norway and Switzerland, we will have to pay if we want access.

[Drummond]

Well considering leadership in the Leave campaign are saying we shouldn't be too hasty about enacting article 50, and the EU are telling Britain to get out as soon as possible, I don't think the die is cast as projected in the OP

It's not exactly usual to find me thanking a post of Noir's, but in this case, his posting is accurate.

On the EU side ... they're pushing for us to start the 'exit' process as soon as possible. Our Government seems to be dawdling, though. Last report I saw suggested that we won't get the wheels in motion until Cameron is replaced, which will take months.

The means of leaving (starting it all) is easily allowed for. Article 50 can be invoked, by letter, for example. It's our delay in doing this that's spinning this out.

It's annoying.

[fj1200]

Well regardless this could all be moot - Boris (leader of the leave campaign, and likey our next prime minister) has made a statement saying he wants to retain Single Market access. So we can wave goodbye to any prospect of restricting free movement, or saving hundreds of millions a week in payments to the EU.

What payments?


the Single market..?
had to look it up .
but OK yes, i remember it being called European "common market" .
I remember it was actually the E.U. version 1.0.

basically "FREE TRADE" zones similar to what they are trying to sell us now with NAFTAs type deals, The TPP, and the North American Union. uniting trade laws across boarders etc.
(Also being done in the African Union, the South american union, etc ..regionalism before full on world federalism)


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36270203

Seems the Germans are NOT on board with the UK having the benny's of Single market without the membership.
Can't just walk onto the golf course if don't want to be member of the club anymore.

Free trade good.