Priebus: "America doesn't care about Trump scandals"

[gabosaurus]

According to RNC chairman Reince Priebus, Americans don't care about Donald Trump's past actions or statements. They don't care about his personal life, his comments about Muslims or Mexicans, or what he thinks about mistreating women. The American people want someone "who’s going to bring about a more accountable, effective government."

So...if people don't care about Trump's past, why should they care about Hillary Clinton's past?

[Atticus Finch]

Because Hilllary will be more of the same

[Elessar]

So...if people don't care about Trump's past, why should they care about Hillary Clinton's past?

I would have to say, because Hillary's past actions involved government:

*Booted off the Watergate Investigation's Team;
*Saying "We are the President" when Bill was in office;
*"Dodging Sniper Fire" in Kosovo when video taped walking leisurely
across the tarmac;
*2008 campaign statement "Who would you want answering the phone at 3 a.m.",
Then NOT answering the phone leading up to and during the Benghazi attack.

None of Trump's stuff involved government.

[Bilgerat]

I would have to say, because Hillary's past actions involved government:

*Booted off the Watergate Investigation's Team;
*Saying "We are the President" when Bill was in office;
*"Dodging Sniper Fire" in Kosovo when video taped walking leisurely
across the tarmac;
*2008 campaign statement "Who would you want answering the phone at 3 a.m.",
Then NOT answering the phone leading up to and during the Benghazi attack.

None of Trump's stuff involved government.


Don't confuse poor gabby :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

According to RNC chairman Reince Priebus, Americans don't care about Donald Trump's past actions or statements. They don't care about his personal life, his comments about Muslims or Mexicans, or what he thinks about mistreating women. The American people want someone "who’s going to bring about a more accountable, effective government."

So...if people don't care about Trump's past, why should they care about Hillary Clinton's past?

Your apples and oranges comparison fails right out of the gate Gabby.
Trump's past was not in publicly elected office!
Hillary is well proven disaster as a servant of the people.
In fact she has always acted as a ruler over the people and not a very nice, honorable or good one.
Fact.. easily proven by her record..-Tyr

[gabosaurus]

Your past is your past. Clinton and Trump both have a lot of excess baggage.
Trouble is, much of Clinton's mistakes have been political in nature. Mainstream America doesn't care much for politics. They want the juicy stuff, like the things that derailed campaigns of fools like Gary Hart.
Trump has had to buy his way out of a lot scandals. Like fooling around with beauty pageant contestants.
Not to mention openly discriminating against minorities who wanted to rent his properties in the 70's.
Or his dealings with the NY and NJ mafia during the building and operating of casinos in Atlantic City in the 70s and 80.
Or the massive clusterfuck that was "Trump University."
Or his many unscrupulous land dealings, including trying to have tenants forcibly removed from rent-controlled properties in Manhattan so he could turn them into condos.
Or his four bankruptcies, which cost a lot people their jobs, incomes and savings but benefited Trump in the long run.
Or the illegal immigrants he hired (and paid substandard wages to) to build Trump Tower.
Not to mention many career-spanning instances of misogyny, lying, cheating and shady deals.

[fj1200]

None of Trump's stuff involved government.

Yet.

Trump’s Paranoid Attacks On Amazon Should Worry Everyone (http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/trumps-attacks-on-amazon-should-worry-everyone/)
But instead of focusing on media bias, Trump flew into a rage about Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos, who also runs Amazon. Here’s what Trump said:

Conservatives err, Republicans used to care about character.

[Kathianne]

Yet.

Trump’s Paranoid Attacks On Amazon Should Worry Everyone (http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/trumps-attacks-on-amazon-should-worry-everyone/)



Conservatives err, Republicans used to care about character.

Nah, he's just 'telling it like it is.' He wouldn't do anything like the IRS scandal when Obama inferred he'd use that. Only Democrats would, right?

[Abbey Marie]

We should care about anyone's past, and we do. But Dems, Dem mainstream media, and the activist courts have painted Conservatives into a corner, going further and further with social engineering and shoving unpalatable policies down our throats. These things tend to narrow our focus off a politician's (unproven?) questionable history, and on to how we can stem the tide.

[gabosaurus]

This board is not representative of mainstream America. Most of you are older and more informed than the average voter.
The normal, everyday voter doesn't care about Hillary's e-mails. They don't care about Benghazi (some don't even know about it).
They care about whether the next president escalates a war that might involve a member of their family.
They want to know if they will keep their job, or whether the job they are looking for has decent wages.

Watch the news. Read the current headlines. Who is saying something stupid or provocative every day? It's not Hillary Clinton.
Clinton might be a crook, a liar and generally unlikeable. But she knows how the game works. She know when to keep her mouth shut.

[CSM]

..... She know when to keep her mouth shut.

Thus, the Monica L. fiasco.....

[Black Diamond]

Thus, the Monica L. fiasco.....

:laugh:

[Gunny]

Thus, the Monica L. fiasco.....

I think that leak was planned. Remember? Ken Starr was appointed to investigate Whitewater. When it didn't look good for Hillary, all of a sudden the Monica thing comes out and he's told to alter his investigation to Bill and his cigars. He was lame duck at the time. What's it to him?

All the attention on Hillary got shifted to Bill and Monica. Nice swerve.

[Black Diamond]

I think that leak was planned. Remember? Ken Starr was appointed to investigate Whitewater. When it didn't look good for Hillary, all of a sudden the Monica thing comes out and he's told to alter his investigation to Bill and his cigars. He was lame duck at the time. What's it to him?

All the attention on Hillary got shifted to Bill and Monica. Nice swerve.it was really awkward having to explain to my parents the significance of the cigar.

[Gunny]

it was really awkward having to explain to my parents the significance of the cigar.

I would have told them to figure THAT one out for themselves. :laugh2:

[Black Diamond]

I would have told them to figure THAT one out for themselves. :laugh2:

Me too but I was working for them. We interviewed this idiot who brought up Clinton and "who cares what he does with his cigars".
I said you can't hire this guy. Anyone who would bring that up.
Well what does it mean?

Oh man.

[Gunny]

Me too but I was working for them. We interviewed this idiot who brought up Clinton and "who cares what he does with his cigars".
I said you can't hire this guy. Anyone who would bring that up.
Well what does it mean?

Oh man.

I wouldn't have hired him. I NEVER discussed religion or politics at work. I'm sure as Hell not interjecting them into a job interview. If any of my Marines started that crap I'd tell them to stow it. Had nothing to do with accomplishing the mission. As a civilian, I just avoid the crap.

[Black Diamond]

I wouldn't have hired him. I NEVER discussed religion or politics at work. I'm sure as Hell not interjecting them into a job interview. If any of my Marines started that crap I'd tell them to stow it. Had nothing to do with accomplishing the mission. As a civilian, I just avoid the crap.

I can't believe people who wear Obama or trump tee-shirts to work. It's like dude you're gonna piss half the people you work with off. Or more.

[Gunny]

I can't believe people who wear Obama or trump tee-shirts to work. It's like dude you're gonna piss half the people you work with off. Or more.

One of the few things my father taught me besides how to be a recruit was you just don't do that. He wouldn't put a bumper sticker on the car because he said some whackjob would vandalize the vehicle. I have 1 sticker on my truck and it says "United States Marine Corps". That apparently is a :laugh: deterrent round these parts.

And for some reason, they love the Steelers here. I get more Steelers crap here than when I lived on the east coast.

DO you feel hated if your parents name you Reince Priebus? I would.

[Bilgerat]

I can't believe people who wear Obama or trump tee-shirts to work. It's like dude you're gonna piss half the people you work with off. Or more.


When I was in "Dork County" Wisconsin, I wore Patriots shirts and hats.

Man them Cheese-heads would get torqued :laugh:

[Trigg]

This board is not representative of mainstream America. Most of you are older and more informed than the average voter.
The normal, everyday voter doesn't care about Hillary's e-mails. They don't care about Benghazi (some don't even know about it).
They care about whether the next president escalates a war that might involve a member of their family.
They want to know if they will keep their job, or whether the job they are looking for has decent wages.

Watch the news. Read the current headlines. Who is saying something stupid or provocative every day? It's not Hillary Clinton.
Clinton might be a crook, a liar and generally unlikeable. But she knows how the game works. She know when to keep her mouth shut.


I'd say you're right about the Clinton e-mails, most voters either don't care or don't know about them. Voters do see her pandering for votes every time they turn on the TV and they KNOW that promising free college and healthcare isn't going to work. Most people are smart enough to realize that "free ain't free". IMHO those types of promises are just as stupid as anything coming out of the Trump camp.

Trump is loud, he has a huge ego and says sexist things. All completely true.

But I also thinks he's put a lot of thought into his campaign. He's talking about JOBS and getting a handle on the DEBT. Those are the issues firing up the voters.

Meanwhile Bernie is yammering about bailing out Puerto Rico. Just print more money......and give stuff away......that is Bernie's entire repertoire of ideas and Hillary has taken to vomiting back up those same ideas.

[revelarts]

Outstanding Comentary from Atlantic Magazine.

How Donald Trump Can Beat Hillary Clinton


"He spent years as a moderate. He spent years as a nationalist. Why can’t he spend six months being a moderate nationalist?

But Trump’s strengths and grand strategy make him considerably more dangerous in a general election than people seem to think.

There are two pieces of conventional wisdom about Donald Trump that don't fit comfortably together. On the one hand, people seem to think Trump’s appeal transcends the issues and that he doesn’t really care about policy. On the other hand, he’s considered unelectable because of his policies, like building a Mexican wall and banning Muslim immigrants.

But here’s the problem: If Trump doesn’t care about policy and his appeal truly transcends issues, what’s stopping him from becoming a starkly different person in the general election, the same way he's morphed, with convenient timing, from a moderate businessman—supportive of Canadian health care, a friend of Democrats, an admirer of Hillary Clinton—to a nationalist demagogue?

Trump’s most famous skill is self-promotion through bloviation. But his most underrated skill is he is a terrific panderer. He will say anything he thinks people want to hear, but he'll say it in a way that makes his pandering look like an act of courage. The ingenious subtext of much of his messaging is: “Nobody wants to hear this hard truth, but here it is: you’re right!” As a businessman, he had no problem hiring illegal immigrants. But when he sniffed out illegal immigration as a hot-button topic, he promised mass deportations, the most beautiful wall in the Western Hemisphere, and a punitive financing scheme: Mexico pays! He trashed former klansman David Duke years ago. But when he suspected that some voters in Super Tuesday states might be sympathetic to white supremacy, he scolded CNN’s Jake Tapper for asking him to disavow somebody he’d never met.

In all 15 states that have voted in the GOP primary, Trump’s supporters have named the same quality as most important in a president: Somebody who “tells it like it is.” Does it matter that Politifact determined that 76 percent of Trump's statements were errors, inaccuracies, or absurd lies? No way. Somebody who “tells it like it is” doesn’t have to “get the facts right.” Trump doesn’t need to be accurate, because he’s authentic. And yes, there is a difference. The difference between accuracy and authenticity is the difference between a British passport and a British accent. People with the former tend to have the latter, but the first is concrete and falsifiable, and the second is easily faked.

Is it really so hard to imagine Trump peddling a populist message that keeps the Great Wall of America (he can’t disavow that wall), dials down on the dog-whistle rhetoric toward Hispanics and Muslims, and goes hard at the economic and cultural insecurity of the middle class by promising them a gorgeous new fleet of protectionist trade deals, a big beautiful tax cut, and all the social spending they’ve come to love? Pay Less, Keep More, Win, Win, Win. It will be a incredible six months of populist pandering. And what’s worse: If it produces results and he rises in the polls, the political media will paint Trump as a rapidly maturing centrist....."

Can Donald Trump Beat Hillary Clinton? - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/of-course-donald-trump-can-beat-hillary-clinton/471879/)

[crin63]

According to RNC chairman Reince Priebus, Americans don't care about Donald Trump's past actions or statements. They don't care about his personal life, his comments about Muslims or Mexicans, or what he thinks about mistreating women. The American people want someone "who’s going to bring about a more accountable, effective government."

So...if people don't care about Trump's past, why should they care about Hillary Clinton's past?


Trump supporters don't care, but they are not the whole of the American people. There is nothing that Trump has ever done or could possibly ever do that would even nudge his supporters.

Hillary's decisions killed Americans, weakened our security, violated trade laws and exposed top secret info. Trump's decisions just defrauded Americans and paid for Hillary's decisions.

[Gunny]

Trump supporters don't care, but they are not the whole of the American people. There is nothing that Trump has ever done or could possibly ever do that would even nudge his supporters.

Hillary's decisions killed Americans, weakened our security, violated trade laws and exposed top secret info. Trump's decisions just defrauded Americans and paid for Hillary's decisions.

Trump supporters DO care. And I ain't one of them, so don't even try. :laugh:

What I blame them for is picking the most divisive candidate since Teddy Roosevelt and we got Woodrow Wilson. Lincoln was the one prior to that. But Lincoln was right about one thing: "A house divided cannot stand".

[namvet]

why should they care about Hillary Clinton's past? have you checked the number of dead bodies behind em???

[crin63]

Trump supporters DO care. And I ain't one of them, so don't even try. :laugh:

What I blame them for is picking the most divisive candidate since Teddy Roosevelt and we got Woodrow Wilson. Lincoln was the one prior to that. But Lincoln was right about one thing: "A house divided cannot stand".


Don't get me started on Lincoln. He is the one who divided the house.

[Gunny]

Don't get me started on Lincoln. He is the one who divided the house.

Bubba, if you have a worse opinion of Lincoln than me I'd like to know how. You got to go some to get THERE.:laugh:

[crin63]

Bubba, if you have a worse opinion of Lincoln than me I'd like to know how. You got to go some to get THERE.:laugh:

I personally think that Lincoln is the worst president our country has ever had. I have to look at him as a bloodthirsty savage who ravaged our nation and divided our states. He murdered his fellow countrymen. If he wanted the slaves freed he should have bought them. It would have been cheaper and saved countless lives. But then the war wasn't about slavery it was about a heavy-handed federal government imposing its will on the South and when the Soth opposed it he crushed them. He gave us all the bad policies we have today.

Am I close?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I personally think that Lincoln is the worst president our country has ever had. I have to look at him as a bloodthirsty savage who ravaged our nation and divided our states. He murdered his fellow countrymen. If he wanted the slaves freed he should have bought them. It would have been cheaper and saved countless lives. But then the war wasn't about slavery it was about a heavy-handed federal government imposing its will on the South and when the Soth opposed it he crushed them. He gave us all the bad policies we have today.

Am I close?

You are not far off, about cause and effects of the Civil war..
The Federal government came out from it a hundred fold increased in having greater power over the states.
However, beg to differ on who is the worst president--as its easily hands down--the obama..
As his dictatorial reign may well be the anchor that sinks this nation.. A sad reality.. -Tyr

[Gunny]

I personally think that Lincoln is the worst president our country has ever had. I have to look at him as a bloodthirsty savage who ravaged our nation and divided our states. He murdered his fellow countrymen. If he wanted the slaves freed he should have bought them. It would have been cheaper and saved countless lives. But then the war wasn't about slavery it was about a heavy-handed federal government imposing its will on the South and when the Soth opposed it he crushed them. He gave us all the bad policies we have today.

Am I close?

Kinda sorta. My family couldn't afford slaves. They fought over states' rights. Lincoln trampled the Constitution.

[crin63]

Kinda sorta. My family couldn't afford slaves. They fought over states' rights. Lincoln trampled the Constitution.

We're on the same page there. Mine were fighting for States rights as well. They lost everything in the war. My great-great grandfather was the highest ranking Confederate officer known to be buried in Arizona. He left Texas after the war and moved to Arizona.

[Gunny]

We're on the same page there. Mine were fighting for States rights as well. They lost everything in the war. My great-great grandfather was the highest ranking Confederate officer known to be buried in Arizona. He left Texas after the war and moved to Arizona.

Poor dirt farmers in Texas and sidehill farmers in Alabama here. My grandfather picked cotton. Don't come in my yard and tell me how to pick it and demand I give you some for free. And THAT is what Civil War was about. Money and control. All this "we did it to free the slaves" nonsense is just revisionist BS.

[gabosaurus]

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[jimnyc]

Trump supporters don't care, but they are not the whole of the American people. There is nothing that Trump has ever done or could possibly ever do that would even nudge his supporters.

Hillary's decisions killed Americans, weakened our security, violated trade laws and exposed top secret info. Trump's decisions just defrauded Americans and paid for Hillary's decisions.

I care an awful lot, my friend. I believe there are a lot of negatives for Trump. My support was nudged, but I still like him.

I think myself, and Trump supporters, care as much as everyone else looking to vote. Just because we see things differently doesn't me we don't care. :(

[crin63]

I care an awful lot, my friend. I believe there are a lot of negatives for Trump. My support was nudged, but I still like him.

I think myself, and Trump supporters, care as much as everyone else looking to vote. Just because we see things differently doesn't me we don't care. :(


I started to reply to Gunny that you and maybe a couple others here do actually care to a degree.

[Black Diamond]

Yet.

Trump’s Paranoid Attacks On Amazon Should Worry Everyone (http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/trumps-attacks-on-amazon-should-worry-everyone/)

Conservatives err, Republicans used to care about character.

Link?

[fj1200]

Link?

To what? Republicans caring about character? I took it as a given.

[Black Diamond]

To what? Republicans caring about character? I took it as a given.

Other then Carson I didn't see anyone with a ton of character and in general we are talking about politicians , right ?

[jimnyc]

I started to reply to Gunny that you and maybe a couple others here do actually care to a degree.

I've come across quite a few Cruz supporters, in person, that were less than kind to me. Of course I've seen more than that around the internet comments/forums and such. I barely even mention it here. I certainly don't want to project the folks I have dealt with as being representative of all Cruz supporters. I don't even need to seek out Cruz supporters to confirm this, I just know that out of millions of folks supporting him, common sense dictates there's a lot of decent caring folks. In fact, I would say a helluva lot more than the majority. IMO, it's not an awful lot different with Trump supporters, of who the majority are republicans. We're Americans!! But for this election, we see things differently, want something different, prioritize different. I'm not 100% sure, but my friend from Facebook put it into good words:


Someone asked me why I support Donald Trump, here was my reply:


First off the two party system is antiquated and corrupt with special interest money. Donald Trump is unownable and owes no one. He is a businessman and has promised to do all he can to cutback on unnecessary spending. He is for a strong military and America first including securing our borders in a unique manner that hasn't be tried before, funny I'm not speaking about the wall, he wants the Immigration laws enforced. He also promises to reverse anything Barack Obama has done illegally that he can. He will work on keeping jobs here and making trade much fairer. He also loves America which has be lacking for a full 8 years and despite how the media portrays him, he will be a unifier of the American people not a polarizer. He is like by all different individuals. Finally the pièce de résistance, he detests political correctness, as do I as should all. Donald Trump is a Hail Mary, yes, but a necessary one that scares our ruling class and the money behind it.

But as folks that were all on the same team a short time back, aren't we still all on the same team in wanting to take things away from those looking to destroy our country, to take away the SC for a generation, to shit on the COTUS? Sure, some think Trump is evil, others say Cruz is a snake oil salesman - and both would be tons better than Hillary. But if Trump supporters say that, it's often ignored. Treated as if we are secretly siding with the democrats somehow. Trust me, we care 100% as much, even if we disagree on things. For example, others support a candidate that would potentially make it much easier to get your hands on heroin, legalize prostitution & support gay marriage. Even though I disagree with the folks that support someone like that - in no way whatsoever do I think they care less than I do.

[fj1200]

Other then Carson I didn't see anyone with a ton of character and in general we are talking about politicians , right ?

I think most had politician-level character.

[Black Diamond]

I think most had politician-level character.

Which is lacking.

[fj1200]

Which is lacking.

Everything is relative.

[Gunny]

I started to reply to Gunny that you and maybe a couple others here do actually care to a degree.

I am well aware people care crin63. It's caused some heat because some, IMO, care too much. I posted this probably a year ago, and the last 2 elections. We'll all still be here after the election. I disagree with quite a few choices. I don't like Trump. I don't like voting 3rd party or staying home. I don't like the decision that anyone would vote for Hillary or Bernie. I don't like the RNC not being in control of it own party. And I can't stand p*ussies which seems to permeate the GOP.

The problem I see narrows itself down to selfishness. That which has created us is killing us. The individuality of people on the right has torn the GOP apart. Add the GOP doing absolutely nothing and you have a perfect storm. We can't come together like a team and battle the enemy. Until we can, we will lose.

[Abbey Marie]

I am well aware people care @crin63 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=617). It's caused some heat because some, IMO, care too much. I posted this probably a year ago, and the last 2 elections. We'll all still be here after the election. I disagree with quite a few choices. I don't like Trump. I don't like voting 3rd party or staying home. I don't like the decision that anyone would vote for Hillary or Bernie. I don't like the RNC not being in control of it own party. And I can't stand p*ussies which seems to permeate the GOP.

The problem I see narrows itself down to selfishness. That which has created us is killing us. The individuality of people on the right has torn the GOP apart. Add the GOP doing absolutely nothing and you have a perfect storm. We can't come together like a team and battle the enemy. Until we can, we will lose.


:clap:

[Bilgerat]

why should they care about Hillary Clinton's past? have you checked the number of dead bodies behind em???




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[crin63]

I've come across quite a few Cruz supporters, in person, that were less than kind to me. Of course I've seen more than that around the internet comments/forums and such. I barely even mention it here. I certainly don't want to project the folks I have dealt with as being representative of all Cruz supporters. I don't even need to seek out Cruz supporters to confirm this, I just know that out of millions of folks supporting him, common sense dictates there's a lot of decent caring folks. In fact, I would say a helluva lot more than the majority. IMO, it's not an awful lot different with Trump supporters, of who the majority are republicans. We're Americans!! But for this election, we see things differently, want something different, prioritize different. I'm not 100% sure, but my friend from Facebook put it into good words:





But as folks that were all on the same team a short time back, aren't we still all on the same team in wanting to take things away from those looking to destroy our country, to take away the SC for a generation, to shit on the COTUS? Sure, some think Trump is evil, others say Cruz is a snake oil salesman - and both would be tons better than Hillary. But if Trump supporters say that, it's often ignored. Treated as if we are secretly siding with the democrats somehow. Trust me, we care 100% as much, even if we disagree on things. For example, others support a candidate that would potentially make it much easier to get your hands on heroin, legalize prostitution & support gay marriage. Even though I disagree with the folks that support someone like that - in no way whatsoever do I think they care less than I do.

Honestly, except for here all I have seen is total outright nastiness from Trump supporters. People who I used to admire and respect told me to sit and shut up if I was going to mention Cruz. It's been like talking to Obamabots trying to speak with Trump supporters anywhere else. That's why I came on here to try and understand. I still don't get it but at least you were willing to have an honest and civil discussion about it which I greatly appreciate. Part of what I don't get is that 80% or more of Trump supporters said they could back Cruz in November to beat Killary. 80% of the Cruz supporters said they could not and would not back Trump no matter what. So the smart money would have been to go with Cruz if beating Killary was the goal. Now I think it will be more Cruz supporters (probably 50%) than that because of fear but there is going to be a huge portion that will not vote for Trump no matter what.

[gabosaurus]

I know a ton of people who strongly dislike Hillary Clinton. None of them dislike her enough to vote for Trump. Same with Sanders supporters.
How many Cruz supporters are going to vote for Trump? I am guessing many will not vote at all.

If I was a Republican running for a state or local office, I would be scared to death. Trump doesn't support them. He only cares about himself. If supporters of Cruz and other failed GOP candidates don't go to the polls, who is left to vote for them?

[crin63]

I am well aware people care @crin63 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=617). It's caused some heat because some, IMO, care too much. I posted this probably a year ago, and the last 2 elections. We'll all still be here after the election. I disagree with quite a few choices. I don't like Trump. I don't like voting 3rd party or staying home. I don't like the decision that anyone would vote for Hillary or Bernie. I don't like the RNC not being in control of it own party. And I can't stand p*ussies which seems to permeate the GOP.

The problem I see narrows itself down to selfishness. That which has created us is killing us. The individuality of people on the right has torn the GOP apart. Add the GOP doing absolutely nothing and you have a perfect storm. We can't come together like a team and battle the enemy. Until we can, we will lose.

There's a lot of truth there. I'm a small fish in a small pool but out of the 40-50 Cruz supporters I know, the majority are looking for a new home. It's not about sour grapes or whining. It's that the Republican Party no longer holds values they can support if Trump is the nominee. They all know how really terrible Killary would be. People can berate them and belittle them but it's not going to change things. It's only proving what they believe to be true, they no longer have a home.

[crin63]

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No that I disagree with the premise of cartoon, but Trump did this one to himself. He threatened Amazon so the CEO who owns WAPO said fine, go get dirt on Trump.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

There's a lot of truth there. I'm a small fish in a small pool but out of the 40-50 Cruz supporters I know, the majority are looking for a new home. It's not about sour grapes or whining. It's that the Republican Party no longer holds values they can support if Trump is the nominee. They all know how really terrible Killary would be. People can berate them and belittle them but it's not going to change things. It's only proving what they believe to be true, they no longer have a home.

If homeless, then could be best not to help hillary expand hers, ya think??--Tyr

[jimnyc]

Honestly, except for here all I have seen is total outright nastiness from Trump supporters. People who I used to admire and respect told me to sit and shut up if I was going to mention Cruz. It's been like talking to Obamabots trying to speak with Trump supporters anywhere else. That's why I came on here to try and understand. I still don't get it but at least you were willing to have an honest and civil discussion about it which I greatly appreciate. Part of what I don't get is that 80% or more of Trump supporters said they could back Cruz in November to beat Killary. 80% of the Cruz supporters said they could not and would not back Trump no matter what. So the smart money would have been to go with Cruz if beating Killary was the goal. Now I think it will be more Cruz supporters (probably 50%) than that because of fear but there is going to be a huge portion that will not vote for Trump no matter what.

Is this in real life, or around the internet? Do you think these few, even hundreds, even if we stretch it to thousands of folks you have dealt with - are representative of the millions and millions? I think there are supporters of many candidates this year that had an unusual anger about things, perhaps scared about the future of our country after watching just how easily one person can damage it in the past 8 years. Whether folks want to believe that or not, I don't think Donald Trump would get into office and continue the same path as Obama. I also think, for all of his faults and misspeaking, that he would follow the law much more closely than Obama ever has.

Anyway. I just think it sucks seeing everyone with anger and animosity. I said a long time back that everyone should be treated on a one by one basis, by how they treat others and their actions. If I meet a Cruz supporter in person, and he's rude, I'll speak my mind. But I sure wouldn't want to cast off the majority of them based on the words of some knuckleheads to me on Yahoo stories and a couple of internet forums. For example, and not kissing ass, but you know I think highly of you. I don't even think for a single second that "crin is a cruz supporter" or anything like that. Now, had you came back here and cussed me out instantly, then perhaps it would have been different. But you didn't, you came in respectfully and asked questions, and I think you know I have been respectful in return. But if you listen to the talking points from many - you are supposed to be a snake oil salesman type that is going to vote Hillary come November - and I'm an illiterate white redneck who would stick with Trump if she shot someone. :)

[jimnyc]

I know a ton of people who strongly dislike Hillary Clinton. None of them dislike her enough to vote for Trump. Same with Sanders supporters.
How many Cruz supporters are going to vote for Trump? I am guessing many will not vote at all.

If I was a Republican running for a state or local office, I would be scared to death. Trump doesn't support them. He only cares about himself. If supporters of Cruz and other failed GOP candidates don't go to the polls, who is left to vote for them?

With respect, you've not been paying attention. Are you truly saying you haven't seen the same "never" stuff with #Never_Clinton from the Sanders supporters? I'm not going to debate numbers and what not, but don't be naive enough to think the Dem party is immune to such issues. The Sanders camp is VERY active this year, doing VERY well and are VERY angry and do not trust Hillary for a second.

Some Sanders supporters say it’s ‘Bernie or Bust’ and they will never vote for Hillary Clinton

Bernie Sanders has dubbed his presidential campaign a “political revolution,” but some of his supporters are rebelling against the very party he is hoping to lead.

A voluble group of die-hard Sanders backers is vowing online that it’s “Bernie or Bust,” saying they will never support his presidential primary opponent — and, at this point, the likely Democratic nominee — Hillary Clinton.

Nearly two months after voting began in the Democratic primaries, Clinton has racked up a lead among pledged party delegates that makes a Sanders victory increasingly implausible. In apparent recognition of this mathematical challenge and the need to begin aiming fire outside the party, Sanders in recent weeks has pivoted away from Clinton and toward Republican frontrunner Donald Trump. Yet at the same time Sanders is making the case that he’s actually more electable in a matchup with Trump, he has also started talking about the circumstances under which he would endorse Clinton. His senior adviser, Tad Devine, has even suggested that Sanders would consider serving as Clinton’s running mate.

Despite these glimmers of reconciliation with his rival, Sanders may have unleashed a rebellion that will be beyond his power to control when it comes time to unify the party. Some “Bernie or Bust” stalwarts say they won’t back Clinton even if Sanders joins her ticket.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/some-sanders-supporters-say-its-bernie-or-bust-155205844.html

The 'Never Clinton' Campaign

Loyal fans of Bernie Sanders have a difficult decision to make. If Hillary Clinton faces off against Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election, legions of Sanders supporters will have to decide whether to switch allegiances or stand by Bernie until the bitter end.

At least some supporters of the Vermont senator insist they won’t vote for Clinton, no matter what. Many view the former secretary of state with her deep ties to the Democratic establishment as the polar opposite of Sanders and his rallying cry of political revolution. Throwing their weight behind her White House bid would feel like a betrayal of everything they believe.

These voters express unwavering dedication to Sanders on social media, deploying hashtags like NeverClinton and NeverHillary, and circulating petitions like www.wontvotehillary.com, which asks visitors to promise “under no circumstances will I vote for Hillary Clinton.” It’s garnered more than 56,500 signatures so far. Many feel alienated by the Democratic Party. They may want unity, but not if it means a stamp of approval for a political status quo they believe is fundamentally flawed and needs to be fixed.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/481389/

[Gunny]

There's a lot of truth there. I'm a small fish in a small pool but out of the 40-50 Cruz supporters I know, the majority are looking for a new home. It's not about sour grapes or whining. It's that the Republican Party no longer holds values they can support if Trump is the nominee. They all know how really terrible Killary would be. People can berate them and belittle them but it's not going to change things. It's only proving what they believe to be true, they no longer have a home.

Then build a new home. At the moment, it's a bit too late. You don't wait until the election process begins to build it from the roof down. You start from the ground up. The first thing you have to do is get people on the right agree on something and/or someone. The party needs to seek support, listen to the people, and put up a candidate the majority will go for. As I said, we're so busy being individuals we can't come together as a group to win.

I'd never take right wingers, as a group, into battle. Everyone's doing their own thing and can't focus on the mission. The only hope we have is what Jim posted. If Sanders splinters the left we might have a chance.

[namvet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSPsRsIwzAY