Bozo off to Hiroshima

[namvet]

he claims no apology. excuse me while I see if the sun is shinning. then its off to Nam. Bow wow's pending??

President Obama will make a historic trip to Hiroshima, Japan, on May 27, becoming the first sitting U.S. president to visit the site of the world’s first atomic bombing.

source (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/10/obama-to-make-historic-visit-to-hiroshima/)

I guess a stop at Pearl was to much to ask


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_WfLIRATY

[Gunny]

How many apologies does he plan to make in one trip?

[namvet]

How many apologies does he plan to make in one trip?

he'll think of some

[Gunny]

he'll think of some

Here's one for you to laugh at. I don't know what day Hiroshima is bombed. Sometime in August. I'm sitting in a Japanese barber shop and this guys got a straight razor on my face and I realize he's watching the bombing of Hiroshima on TV. Brilliant ass me decided to get a haircut on whatever anniversary day it was. I didn't get it at first because it was in Jap. I bet my eyes were big as saucers before he got done. :laugh:

This idiot just looks for ways to offend Americans. I can't believe anyone was stupid enough to vote for him and I can't believe he hasn't been impeached.

[Elessar]

he claims no apology. excuse me while I see if the sun is shinning. then its off to Nam. Bow wow's pending??

President Obama will make a historic trip to Hiroshima, Japan, on May 27, becoming the first sitting U.S. president to visit the site of the world’s first atomic bombing.

I guess a stop at Pearl was to much to ask



If he does not engage an apology, I will eat a pound of pig shit. We just
have to be able to catch a FULL honest media account of it.

My Dad got clobbered badly in the South Pacific in WWII.

Bolded is SPOT ON, Namvet!

[namvet]

Here's one for you to laugh at. I don't know what day Hiroshima is bombed. Sometime in August. I'm sitting in a Japanese barber shop and this guys got a straight razor on my face and I realize he's watching the bombing of Hiroshima on TV. Brilliant ass me decided to get a haircut on whatever anniversary day it was. I didn't get it at first because it was in Jap. I bet my eyes were big as saucers before he got done. :laugh:

This idiot just looks for ways to offend Americans. I can't believe anyone was stupid enough to vote for him and I can't believe he hasn't been impeached.

Hiroshima Aug 6 45

Nagasaki Aug 9 45

the Hiroshima bomb had inscribed on it from the crew of the USS Indianapolis in addition to a lot of profanity

[Elessar]

This idiot just looks for ways to offend Americans. I can't believe anyone was stupid enough to vote for him and I can't believe he hasn't been impeached.

Agreed!

He's only out for his own ego. He does NOT give a shit about the
USA as a whole, only his special interest groups.

[namvet]

did you know a bomb fell on Pearl???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex1VvlnAmw0

[aboutime]

did you know a bomb fell on Pearl???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex1VvlnAmw0


Once again...Obama proves...IGNORANCE REALLY IS BLISS! HE HAS SHIT FOR BRAINS, AND SPEAKS FROM HIS ASSHOLE!

[Gunny]

did you know a bomb fell on Pearl???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex1VvlnAmw0

Overlooked is the fact those bombings saved lives. We were look at an estimated 1M Americans and up to 3M Japs dead had we invaded.

[Elessar]

[QUOTE=namvet;816316]did you know a bomb fell on Pearl???

[QUOTE]

That did not sound very clear to me - bomb or bombs;
however to mention that event with such brevity is clearly
ignoring our past and besmirching the lives lost that day.
Not only in Pearl, but in the Philippines as well.

[Black Diamond]

My mom's dad fought those assholes for 3+ years. If we had invaded mainland Japan, I may not be here.


Fuck that stupid nigger piece of shit.

[Black Diamond]

Overlooked is the fact those bombings saved lives. We were look at an estimated 1M Americans and up to 3M Japs dead had we invaded.

Yeah minor details. Especially when speaking of my existence.

[aboutime]

My mom's dad fought those assholes for 3+ years. If we had invaded mainland Japan, I may not be here.


Fuck that stupid nigger piece of shit.


We have to constantly REMEMBER. Obama was born in Hawaii, and IMO, he was one of the FIRST.....FAILED ABORTION ATTEMPTS conducted in the Islands.

[Black Diamond]

We have to constantly REMEMBER. Obama was born in Hawaii, and IMO, he was one of the FIRST.....FAILED ABORTION ATTEMPTS conducted in the Islands.

I wasn't aware of that. We can also remember his mentor of 20 years and what he said about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, 9/11, and America's chickens.

[Elessar]

Overlooked is the fact those bombings saved lives. We were look at an estimated 1M Americans and up to 3M Japs dead had we invaded.

Yes! I recall that 1.3 Mil U.S. and Allied personnel were estimated to perish on an invasion.

Few people these days realize the Japanese Imperial leaders had told their people - man, woman, and
child - to fight to death if invaded.

[namvet]

If he does not engage an apology, I will eat a pound of pig shit. We just
have to be able to catch a FULL honest media account of it.

My Dad got clobbered badly in the South Pacific in WWII.

Bolded is SPOT ON, Namvet!

what burns my ass is our vets get more respect overseas than here.

what island(s) was your dad on ??

[Gunny]

My mom's dad fought those assholes for 3+ years. If we had invaded mainland Japan, I may not be here.


Fuck that stupid nigger piece of shit.

My entire family on the male side is military going WAY back. I understand. My grandfather was THE hardest ass I ever met. He was in WWII. Was an Engineer out of Benning. 7th I think. You'd have to ask CSM. My great uncle flew P-47s. My other grandfather flew P-39s.

All 3 of my male cousins and I are retired jarheads. My brother deserted and joined the Army to be a zero. Step brother is a West Point grad. My ex wife is a retired Marine.

You can just use your imagination on how the family runs around here. :laugh2:

[Black Diamond]

Yes! I recall that 1.3 Mil U.S. and Allied personnel were estimated to perish on and invasion.

Few people these days realize the Japanese Imperial leaders had told their people - man, woman, and
child - to fight to death if invaded.

Civilians were being trained in hand to hand combat. With those sticks. I can't remember what they are called.

[namvet]

Overlooked is the fact those bombings saved lives. We were look at an estimated 1M Americans and up to 3M Japs dead had we invaded.

probably more. the est was at least a year to conquer the empire. but ests were always wrong. it was always more

[Gunny]

Civilians were being trained in hand to hand combat. With those sticks. I can't remember what they are called.

A bo. That is the name of the stick. It's a 6' staff. And they would have died before surrendering. Bushido isn't just a movie term. The women and children would have fought to the death too. There ain't no game with Japs. You kill them or they kill you. They won't stop.

[Elessar]

what burns my ass is our vets get more respect overseas than here.

what island(s) was your dad on ??
U.S. Navy...a minesweeper off Tarawa. He was a swimmer sent ashore
to help rig destruction of beach obstacles.

[namvet]

U.S. Navy...a minesweeper off Tarawa. He was a swimmer sent ashore
to help rig destruction of beach obstacles.

son of a bitch. that was a meat grinder. at least he survived.

[Elessar]

My entire family on the male side is military going WAY back. I understand. My grandfather was THE hardest ass I ever met. He was in WWII. Was an Engineer out of Benning. 7th I think. You'd have to ask CSM. My great uncle flew P-47s. My other grandfather flew P-39s.

All 3 of my male cousins and I are retired jarheads. My brother deserted and joined the Army to be a zero. Step brother is a West Point grad. My ex wife is a retired Marine.

You can just use your imagination on how the family runs around here. :laugh2:

Two of my favorite WWII warbirds!

[namvet]

Two of my favorite WWII warbirds!

my late mom helped build the B-25 Mitchell bomber. her sister helped build the P-47 engine which was one big SOB !!

[Elessar]

son of a bitch. that was a meat grinder. at least he survived.

He lost use of his right arm and had to learn to use his left.
Nerves take a long time to heal, if ever.
Was shot in the cheek and lost most of his teeth.

[Elessar]

my late mom helped build the B-25 Mitchell bomber. her sister helped build the P-47 engine which was one big SOB !!

That thing was a flying Tank! Damn near as fast as a P-51. Is it any wonder the A-10 was named Thunderbolt II?

[Gunny]

U.S. Navy...a minesweeper off Tarawa. He was a swimmer sent ashore
to help rig destruction of beach obstacles.

F*ck THAT. Got more balls than me.

[namvet]

me to. the Navy did have frogman units that did this.

also my grand dad was a supervisor at the lake city arsenal. they made every damned bullet that was used. in fact its still there today providing bullets for our troops

[namvet]

the decision to drop the bomb. from the Truman Library.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/index.php

[Atticus Finch]

The Obama apology tour 2016

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

he claims no apology. excuse me while I see if the sun is shinning. then its off to Nam. Bow wow's pending??

President Obama will make a historic trip to Hiroshima, Japan, on May 27, becoming the first sitting U.S. president to visit the site of the world’s first atomic bombing.

source (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/10/obama-to-make-historic-visit-to-hiroshima/)

I guess a stop at Pearl was to much to ask


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_WfLIRATY

TEN BUCKS SAYS THE LYING BASTARD APOLOGIZES TO THE JAPS..
To good an opportunity yet again paint this nation black , for the socialist liberal to pass up.-Tyr

[Gunny]

TEN BUCKS SAYS THE LYING BASTARD APOLOGIZES TO THE JAPS..
To good an opportunity yet again paint this nation black , for the socialist liberal to pass up.-Tyr

You can screw THAT bet. We all know he's going to.

[Black Diamond]

He should go to Dresden next.

[Gunny]

He should go to Dresden next.

My 'druthers?

He can get on a basketball court with me or in the octagon. And you can bet your a$$ I got one good game left.

[aboutime]

The Obama apology tour 2016



It's more than an Apology tour. He will also tell the Japanese people WE (The USA) is to BLAME for all of their problems. So...he will offer them a MAGNIFICENT AMOUNT OF LATE HUSH MONEY, if they promise to Support Hillary, and Bernie...who will work to make Japan their Socialist Nation Building Prize.

[Elessar]

me to. the Navy did have frogman units that did this.

also my grand dad was a supervisor at the lake city arsenal. they made every damned bullet that was used. in fact its still there today providing bullets for our troops

That is what he said he was, although never went through BUDs.
I have a feeling it was situational because he was an excellent swimmer.

[pete311]

WW2 ended some 70 years ago and Japan has been an important ally against China now for decades. Get over it. (Obama visiting)

[namvet]

That is what he said he was, although never went through BUDs.
I have a feeling it was situational because he was an excellent swimmer.

I thought they went in ahead of any invasion to do their work. sounds like his unit went in while the shit was flying. I remember there was a long pier that went out into the lagoon and a ship tied up at the end with Jap troops that were shooting Marines in the back ashore. your dad he's still alive??

http://i66.tinypic.com/2gvlyt0.jpg

I put this up here years ago. a man named Leon Cooper. return to Tarawa


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz9U_gvdA-Q

they are still finding remains here today

[namvet]

WW2 ended some 70 years ago and Japan has been an important ally against China now for decades. Get over it. (Obama visiting)

we can. the family's never will

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

WW2 ended some 70 years ago and Japan has been an important ally against China now for decades. Get over it. (Obama visiting)

Really? And how does that 70 years equate to getting over it if one of your relatives died fighting the damn Japs??
Did somebody here say Japan is not an ally now or that we should fight the japs again?

Here you go--cleverly trying to defend the obama visiting Hiroshima.
You remind me of a couple other members here that do this crap so often....
Attempt to dismiss things as irrelevant, in order to defend, when the obama, the muzzy's, the socialists, or the dems are being rightly castigated for their insane and treasonous actions.-Tyr

[namvet]

http://i66.tinypic.com/zwceh1.jpg

[Gunny]

WW2 ended some 70 years ago and Japan has been an important ally against China now for decades. Get over it. (Obama visiting)

No offense intended but you DO realize you're in a minefield of vets in this thread? Looks like more than one of us are also descendants of vets. We don't forget and we don't "just get over" jack sh*t.

[CSM]

No offense intended but you DO realize you're in a minefield of vets in this thread? Looks like more than one of us are also descendants of vets. We don't forget and we don't "just get over" jack sh*t.

It appears that a particular poster is deliberately being obtuse. It isn't about Obama visiting Japan...it's about the probability that he will apologize for actions taken by the United States (i.e.; the use of nuclear weapons on Japanese cities) during WWII.

[Gunny]

It appears that a particular poster is deliberately being obtuse. It isn't about Obama visiting Japan...it's about the probability that he will apologize for actions taken by the United States (i.e.; the use of nuclear weapons on Japanese cities) during WWII.

To add ... it's just another reason for Obama to outrage us and make us look weak. I'm beyond sick of his crap. He'll probably go to lunch in N Korea.

[Elessar]

WW2 ended some 70 years ago and Japan has been an important ally against China now for decades. Get over it. (Obama visiting)

Are you for real? Get over what?

The speculation is Obama will pull some of his kiss-ass apology
antics and further embarrass this nation.

We all know Japan is now a very staunch friend.

[Elessar]

I thought they went in ahead of any invasion to do their work. sounds like his unit went in while the shit was flying. I remember there was a long pier that went out into the lagoon and a ship tied up at the end with Jap troops that were shooting Marines in the back ashore. your dad he's still alive??
I put this up here years ago. a man named Leon Cooper. return to Tarawa
they are still finding remains here today

No, he is not. When he was in 'Nam as a contracted Fire Chief with PAE
he led a hose team into a flaming ammo dump. He got filled with flaming
phosphorus that eventually developed in to melanoma.

The cancer killed him back in '98.

[Gunny]

No, he is not. When he was in 'Nam as a contracted Fire Chief with PAE
he led a hose team into a flaming ammo dump. He got filled with flaming
phosphorus that eventually developed in to melanoma.

The cancer killed him back in '98.

Sorry to hear that.

[Elessar]

Sorry to hear that.

I miss him a lot.
He was too stubborn to get treatment for his PTSD, because his
generation considered it cowardly. He tried to hide his cancer from
the whole family, never getting treatment. He did not trust doctors
at all.

Thanks, Gunny.

[CSM]

I miss him a lot.
He was too stubborn to get treatment for his PTSD, because his
generation considered it cowardly. He tried to hide his cancer from
the whole family, never getting treatment. He did not trust doctors
at all.

Thanks, Gunny.

I'm thinking I would have liked your Dad. Sorry for your loss.

[Gunny]

I'm thinking I would have liked your Dad. Sorry for your loss.

Sounds like a couple of old Staff NCO's I know, huh? :laugh: I wouldn't want to do his job, but as much as I hate flying and subs, but I can drive a damned boat. He'd have had a ride.

[namvet]

To add ... it's just another reason for Obama to outrage us and make us look weak. I'm beyond sick of his crap. He'll probably go to lunch in N Korea.

and fish heads and rice in Hanoi

[namvet]

No, he is not. When he was in 'Nam as a contracted Fire Chief with PAE
he led a hose team into a flaming ammo dump. He got filled with flaming
phosphorus that eventually developed in to melanoma.

The cancer killed him back in '98.

that's hard news Elessar. a man of courage :salute:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No, he is not. When he was in 'Nam as a contracted Fire Chief with PAE
he led a hose team into a flaming ammo dump. He got filled with flaming
phosphorus that eventually developed in to melanoma.

The cancer killed him back in '98.

Sorry for your loss my friend. Your father was a hero not just to you but to we that know each American that honorably fought in wars defending this nation is a true war hero.. As are all that military that have honorably served are heroes in my book my friend!! -Tyr

[Bilgerat]

How many apologies does he plan to make in one trip?


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Kd3CyhZtvJw/VzIKaNnDiII/AAAAAAAAQ1w/62KkMQpqZs08RAHlfsROH8sg6vhg93UcwCLcB/s1600/Nuke%2BNuke%2BJoke%2B1.jpg

[Gunny]

and fish heads and rice in Hanoi

He needs to be eating fish heads and rice in Hanoi.

[Gunny]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Kd3CyhZtvJw/VzIKaNnDiII/AAAAAAAAQ1w/62KkMQpqZs08RAHlfsROH8sg6vhg93UcwCLcB/s1600/Nuke%2BNuke%2BJoke%2B1.jpg

Okay. I'm cracking up over the Godzilla thing. :laugh:

[Elessar]

Okay. I'm cracking up over the Godzilla thing. :laugh:

I don't know where the hell Bilge comes up with these damn things,
but he sure is an original!

[pete311]

No offense intended but you DO realize you're in a minefield of vets in this thread? Looks like more than one of us are also descendants of vets. We don't forget and we don't "just get over" jack sh*t.

Yeah and...? So we should never be friends or allies with anyone we've ever gone to war with in history? Are you serious? We'd have zero friends. Let's never talk or visit England, because you know, well, it's only been 230 whatever years and well some of your descendants fought in the war and they haven't gotten over it yet. Damn English, I'll never forget or forgive. Are you guys with harsh of modern day Germany too?


It appears that a particular poster is deliberately being obtuse. It isn't about Obama visiting Japan...it's about the probability that he will apologize for actions taken by the United States (i.e.; the use of nuclear weapons on Japanese cities) during WWII.

Oh cool, getting your panties in a wad over a paranoid hypothetical. Let me count the ways this is a waste of your time on earth.

[Elessar]

Yeah and...? So we should never be friends or allies with anyone we've ever gone to war with in history? Are you serious? We'd have zero friends. Let's never talk or visit England, because you know, well, it's only been 230 whatever years and well some of your descendants fought in the war and they haven't gotten over it yet. Damn English, I'll never forget or forgive. Are you guys with harsh of modern day Germany too?

Oh cool, getting your panties in a wad over a paranoid hypothetical. Let me count the ways this is a waste of your time on earth.

How can one person twist what was said into an entirely different dimension?

Did you read what was said? Quote Myself: "Japan has been a staunch friend".

Germany has become a pretty strong ally as well.

[pete311]

How can one person twist what was said into an entirely different dimension?

Did you read what was said? Quote Myself: "Japan has been a staunch friend".


Neither of my responses was directed to you

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Neither of my responses was directed to you
Whether directed to a specific member or not, any member is free to reply...
Just like I am doing now when your post was not to me..

Its called freedom of speech. Were it not as well used/promoted and allowed here as it s most of us would be elsewhere posting methinks.
You dont get out much --do you??

Wow, your profile shows 6 years here, zero friends--you match Sundaydriver, twins?? coincedence?? hmmmmm --Tyr

[pete311]

Whether directed to a specific member or not, any member is free to reply...
Just like I am doing now when your post was not to me..

Its called freedom of speech. Were it not as well used/promoted and allowed here as it s most of us would be elsewhere posting methinks.
You dont get out much --do you??

Wow, your profile shows 6 years here, zero friends--you match Sundaydriver, twins?? coincedence?? hmmmmm --Tyr

I have no idea what you are talking about. Elessar replied to me as if I were responding to his/her post which I was not. That is my point.

[Gunny]

Yeah and...? So we should never be friends or allies with anyone we've ever gone to war with in history? Are you serious? We'd have zero friends. Let's never talk or visit England, because you know, well, it's only been 230 whatever years and well some of your descendants fought in the war and they haven't gotten over it yet. Damn English, I'll never forget or forgive. Are you guys with harsh of modern day Germany too?



Oh cool, getting your panties in a wad over a paranoid hypothetical. Let me count the ways this is a waste of your time on earth.

Dumb comment. I'm harsh with my enemies and people I know are STILL my enemies. You're out of context.

[Elessar]

Neither of my responses was directed to you

Are you serious?:lame2:

You post on an open board and assume other folks will
not reply?

How weak and chicken-shit can you be?

You should show the entire forum how stupid your assumptions are.

If you want to make it entirely private, use the E-mail or private links.

Your open arrogance makes you an easy target.

[Elessar]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Elessar replied to me as if I were responding to his/her post which I was not. That is my point.
Dummy...you put it out for all to see and do not expect feedback?

Try X-Box...it will not argue with you.:laugh:

[Atticus Finch]

I have a co worker whose grandfather was a Jarhead in the Pacific theatre, Iwo Jima I believe.I was told by him that his grandfather was quoted as saying that the Hydrogen Bomb was the sweetest 2 words he had ever heard and that he wished they would drop 10 more.Apparently he hated the Japs intensely,they were a cruel,unrelenting enemy.

[CSM]

......



Oh cool, getting your panties in a wad over a paranoid hypothetical. Let me count the ways this is a waste of your time on earth.

Here's a clue just for you, Mr. Pete! My "panties" cannot possibly be in a wad as I don't wear or even own any. I'll leave that to macho guys like you. Here is another clue that you can share with whomever you like: if you post on a message board, you will often get reactions from other posters.

It is clear that your post is a blatant attempt to turn the discussion in such a manner that YOU control the discussion solely to denigrate other posters and bash those of a more conservative bent. It's called "trolling"; a rather poor attempt at that. I won't repeat the points others were trying to make since I sincerely doubt you would bother to consider them anyway.

[pete311]

Are you serious?

You post on an open board and assume other folks will
not reply?

Apparently there is a misunderstanding.

You replied to me:

"How can one person twist what was said into an entirely different dimension?

Did you read what was said? Quote Myself: "Japan has been a staunch friend"."

How could I twist your words when I wasn't responding to you? Why are you quoting yourself in response to my message which was not directed to you? I'm not saying you can't reply, I'm just saying, what I said does not apply to you. So I am confused why you posted what you replied to me. I'm not doubting you think Japan is a friend. My message obviously is in response to what two other members said, not what you may have said. This is the point of having the quoting feature. When I reply to a quote I am solely addressing that person.

[pete311]

Dumb comment. I'm harsh with my enemies and people I know are STILL my enemies. You're out of context.

So Japan, Germany, Italy etc are still your enemy?

[Elessar]

So Japan, Germany, Italy etc are still your enemy?

Pete, you are so far off track you will never get back on the rails.

I did not see what you are trying to tell he said as being remotely accurate.

Like one other here, you love to try and put words in other folks' mouths, and
get all pissy-faced when they are spit back at you.

[Gunny]

So Japan, Germany, Italy etc are still your enemy?

Nope. Didn't say that at all. I loved Okinawa. The only Asians I can stomach. The Germans are our friends about like the Saudi's are. Neither of which has a thing to do with here and now. You LEARN from history. You DON'T rewrite or ignore it.

We left Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo unchecked until it cost us a 1000 times what it would have had we just pulled our ostrich heads out of the sand, saw what was going on and stopped it. We're doing the same exact thing the Middle East now. We're letting rogue nations run wild and doing nothing while they build up. When Iran gets nukes we WILL end up in a nuclear war. We and the Russians didn't want to die. Iranians don't care if they die taking everyone else out in case you've missed all the terrorist attacks.

As far as Hiroshima goes? THEY started the shit. I ain't apologizing for finishing a fight YOU start.

[Elessar]

Nope. Didn't say that at all. <snip>
We left Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo unchecked until it cost us a 1000 times what it would have had we just pulled our ostrich heads out of the sand, saw what was going on and stopped it. We're doing the same exact thing the Middle East now. We're letting rogue nations run wild and doing nothing while they build up. When Iran gets nukes we WILL end up in a nuclear war. We and the Russians didn't want to die. Iranians don't care if they die taking everyone else out in case you've missed all the terrorist attacks.

As far as Hiroshima goes? THEY started the shit. I ain't apologizing for finishing a fight YOU start.

You are exactly 100% correct. The isolationist stance of the 1930's caused
our military to weaken and later ignored that our merchant seamen were
getting torpedoed and killed in the Atlantic.

It took the wake-up call of Dec 7 (and 8) 1941 to pull the ostrich heads out of the sand,
which were planted there by a Democratic administration, and finally gear up to help our
allies push back the murdering German and Jap Axis Powers.

[pete311]

Pete, you are so far off track you will never get back on the rails.

I did not see what you are trying to tell he said as being remotely accurate.

Like one other here, you love to try and put words in other folks' mouths, and
get all pissy-faced when they are spit back at you.

I admit, I don't know what the hell you guys are saying sometimes, especially Gunny.

Post 59 I ask if we are also still enemies with England because Gunny said we don't just "get over it". It's a fair question because it asks when do we make amends? After 1,2,3... generations?

Gunny replies with post 64 "I'm harsh with my enemies and people I know are STILL my enemies.". I take that as yes England is still an enemy as is Germany and Italy. You tell me who's being cryptic?

[pete311]

You are exactly 100% correct. The isolationist stance of the 1930's caused
our military to weaken and later ignored that our merchant seamen were
getting torpedoed and killed in the Atlantic.

Up until we got involved in WW2 we never had a strong military capable of invasion. Your biased political comment is misleading. It was also a different world back then. We don't fight wars according to civil war conditions or tactics anymore. So we shouldn't use WW2 conditions or tactics on today's wars either.

[Elessar]

Up until we got involved in WW2 we never had a strong military capable of invasion. Your biased political comment is misleading. It was also a different world back then. We don't fight wars according to civil war conditions or tactics anymore. So we shouldn't use WW2 conditions or tactics on today's wars either.

Pete, you are all over the map with the last two posts.

After WW I, our ability to form an invasion force was sharply cut back
due to draw-downs. Military technology was limited, especially going into
the Depression era.

The political side was to enhance welfare support and programs. We were not
strategically prepared for Pearl Harbor at all. Roosevelt's isolationist policies
did not allow for preparedness at all until it was too late.

I am NOT using WW II conditions at all. You are. The message is to stay
prepared, reinforce our strengths, and be ready.

[Gunny]

I admit, I don't know what the hell you guys are saying sometimes, especially Gunny.

Post 59 I ask if we are also still enemies with England because Gunny said we don't just "get over it". It's a fair question because it asks when do we make amends? After 1,2,3... generations?

Gunny replies with post 64 "I'm harsh with my enemies and people I know are STILL my enemies.". I take that as yes England is still an enemy as is Germany and Italy. You tell me who's being cryptic?

Yu don't know because I reply to the topic being discussed not each and every one of your specifics. Since my ancestry is half Scottish and half English, why would I consider England my enemy? Again, this the here and now. We haven't been at war with England since the War of 1812.

What YOU are trying to do is play semantics with me and it ain't going to work. Try looking at context. My entire family's been affected by wars and those of us that are vets have seen things that would make a billy goat puke. You don't just get over THAT. THAT is in context with what I said.

[pete311]

Yu don't know because I reply to the topic being discussed not each and every one of your specifics. Since my ancestry is half Scottish and half English, why would I consider England my enemy? Again, this the here and now. We haven't been at war with England since the War of 1812.

What YOU are trying to do is play semantics with me and it ain't going to work. Try looking at context. My entire family's been affected by wars and those of us that are vets have seen things that would make a billy goat puke. You don't just get over THAT. THAT is in context with what I said.

When you quote me, that reply should be specific to the quote otherwise I have no idea where you are coming from. So if you were half Japanese you'd be ok with Obama visiting Japan? I'm not asking anyone to "get over" their war experiences. I'm saying experiences from 80 years ago should not dictate how we do things today. That is punishing 98% of a population that had nothing to do with the war and stifles future progression of intercountry partnerships. Obama should be free to visit Hiroshima free from your paranoid fears just as the Japanese PM should be able to visit Pearl Harbor. Neither had anything to do with them. Japan is one of the most friendly and peaceful places I've visited.

You don't get over it, but you move on, or we are no better than the Israelis and Palestinians who hold 2 thousand year old grudges.

[namvet]

When you quote me, that reply should be specific to the quote otherwise I have no idea where you are coming from. So if you were half Japanese you'd be ok with Obama visiting Japan? I'm not asking anyone to "get over" their war experiences. I'm saying experiences from 80 years ago should not dictate how we do things today. That is punishing 98% of a population that had nothing to do with the war and stifles future progression of intercountry partnerships. Obama should be free to visit Hiroshima free from your paranoid fears just as the Japanese PM should be able to visit Pearl Harbor. Neither had anything to do with them. Japan is one of the most friendly and peaceful places I've visited.

You don't get over it, but you move on, or we are no better than the Israelis and Palestinians who hold 2 thousand year old grudges.

experiences from 80 years ago DO dictate how we do things today. learn how to use a PC

[Gunny]

When you quote me, that reply should be specific to the quote otherwise I have no idea where you are coming from. So if you were half Japanese you'd be ok with Obama visiting Japan? I'm not asking anyone to "get over" their war experiences. I'm saying experiences from 80 years ago should not dictate how we do things today. That is punishing 98% of a population that had nothing to do with the war and stifles future progression of intercountry partnerships. Obama should be free to visit Hiroshima free from your paranoid fears just as the Japanese PM should be able to visit Pearl Harbor. Neither had anything to do with them. Japan is one of the most friendly and peaceful places I've visited.

You don't get over it, but you move on, or we are no better than the Israelis and Palestinians who hold 2 thousand year old grudges.

When your reply is not specific to my statement then I think you don't know what you're talking about and deflecting. I didn't say one word that your response to me has anything to do with.

[Elessar]

When you quote me, that reply should be specific to the quote otherwise I have no idea where you are coming from. So if you were half Japanese you'd be ok with Obama visiting Japan? I'm not asking anyone to "get over" their war experiences. I'm saying experiences from 80 years ago should not dictate how we do things today. That is punishing 98% of a population that had nothing to do with the war and stifles future progression of intercountry partnerships. Obama should be free to visit Hiroshima free from your paranoid fears just as the Japanese PM should be able to visit Pearl Harbor. Neither had anything to do with them. Japan is one of the most friendly and peaceful places I've visited.

You don't get over it, but you move on, or we are no better than the Israelis and Palestinians who hold 2 thousand year old grudges.

The bolded has been shown to be dangerous. This present administration
has shown it ignores that danger.

When will you buy a clue? I can offer one for 5 bucks.

You make a lot of suppositions and tell people what they are thinking. If someone
had a gripe about a certain nation, they would openly state it. It's not up to you
or anyone else to tell people what they are thinking.

I like the French....some do not (example). Who is anyone to tell me why I should
or should not?

[aboutime]

Pete, you are all over the map with the last two posts.

After WW I, our ability to form an invasion force was sharply cut back
due to draw-downs. Military technology was limited, especially going into
the Depression era.

The political side was to enhance welfare support and programs. We were not
strategically prepared for Pearl Harbor at all. Roosevelt's isolationist policies
did not allow for preparedness at all until it was too late.

I am NOT using WW II conditions at all. You are. The message is to stay
prepared, reinforce our strengths, and be ready.


Elessar. How bout letting pete know this?
George Santayana
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.

I think it applies to our entire nation of IGNORANT crybabies.

[Elessar]

Elessar. How bout letting pete know this?
George Santayana
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.

I think it applies to our entire nation of IGNORANT crybabies.

I think you just did, AT!

[pete311]

I never said don't learn from history. That is obvious. What threat is Japan at the moment? Why should Obama not visit our ally other than a baseless paranoid fear of him apologizing?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I never said don't learn from history. That is obvious. What threat is Japan at the moment? Why should Obama not visit our ally other than a baseless paranoid fear of him apologizing?
Define "baseless" and give example of why its a baseless fear.
And do that after you prove that it is a fear rather than a prudent judgment..
Wanta play?
Lets start..--Tyr

[aboutime]

I think you just did, AT!


Thanks. I tried. But as we can all see. Some people always refuse to accept anything, anyone tries to tell them. So they always have an easy answer, and gives them an out...rather than actually answering a question with a logical, original thought.:laugh: Sounds like pete is just pulling an Obama. Defending him, even if he knows it's not really a sincere effort by the GREAT APOLOGY idiot.

[Elessar]

I never said don't learn from history. That is obvious. What threat is Japan at the moment? Why should Obama not visit our ally other than a baseless paranoid fear of him apologizing?

Nobody has suggested they are a threat. Again, you
read something into a message that did not appear in it.

[Black Diamond]

I never said don't learn from history. That is obvious. What threat is Japan at the moment? Why should Obama not visit our ally other than a baseless paranoid fear of him apologizing?

He's not just going to Japan. He's going to Hiroshima. No one said Japan is a threat. They are not. His asshole mentor of 20 years said 9/11 was America's chickens coming home to roost, in part, because we dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
No one should be shocked if Obama apologizes.

[Gunny]

I never said don't learn from history. That is obvious. What threat is Japan at the moment? Why should Obama not visit our ally other than a baseless paranoid fear of him apologizing?

Why apologize for kicking your ass in a fight YOU started? I'll be damned. Our war with Japan during WWII was THEIR fault. Don't start shit if you can't keep up.

[aboutime]

Before Obama finally leaves Washington in their U-HAUL back to wherever they will end up...before getting on that SLOW BOAT to Hawaii. He will make it his lasting Legacy to apologize to EVERY FORMER ENEMY, AND PRESENT ENEMY, for everything American Forces did to SAVE THEIR THANKLESS, IGNORANT, CESSPOOL lives.

Obama has always blamed America for all the troubles of the world. But the only problem he has never SOLVED.....Is His Failed Abortion...that eventually Destroyed America forever.

[namvet]

Before Obama finally leaves Washington in their U-HAUL back to wherever they will end up...before getting on that SLOW BOAT to Hawaii. He will make it his lasting Legacy to apologize to EVERY FORMER ENEMY, AND PRESENT ENEMY, for everything American Forces did to SAVE THEIR THANKLESS, IGNORANT, CESSPOOL lives.

Obama has always blamed America for all the troubles of the world. But the only problem he has never SOLVED.....Is His Failed Abortion...that eventually Destroyed America forever.

SLOW BOAT to Hawaii??

http://www.hydrolance.net/Common/ShipSinking-1.jpg

[Gunny]

SLOW BOAT to Hawaii??

http://www.hydrolance.net/Common/ShipSinking-1.jpg

I hope it's a slow boat. I hope it's a small boat. And I hope the coasties are late getting there.

[namvet]

I hope it's a slow boat. I hope it's a small boat. And I hope the coasties are late getting there.

lock em both in they're cabins for long one trip to the bottom !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aboutime]

I hope it's a slow boat. I hope it's a small boat. And I hope the coasties are late getting there.


That can't be Obama's boat, or ship. Not sinking. Cause...SHIT FLOATS.:laugh:

[Elessar]

I hope it's a slow boat. I hope it's a small boat. And I hope the coasties are late getting there.

We always have the choice of refusing a response if risk-management deems
it unsafe to the crew and platform.

[Gunny]

We always have the choice of refusing a response if risk-management deems
it unsafe to the crew and platform.

I'm sure some fisherman in the Arctic Flow is WAY more in distress. :laugh:

[Gunny]

We always have the choice of refusing a response if risk-management deems
it unsafe to the crew and platform.

I'm sure some fisherman in the Arctic Flow is WAY more in distress. :laugh:

Sh*t, I bet you couldn't get that p*ssy on a damned boat.

[pete311]

Obama said he won't apologize. 7 pages of waste.

[Gunny]

Obama said he won't apologize. 7 pages of waste.

7? You got it set on super-large or what? :laugh: I've got only 3.

As usual, you miss the point. Not to mention ignoring the obvious. Back down to Putin and make a deal with Iran. Deal with Cuba. Now he's on his way to Vietnam. Do we have any enemies left he can kiss up to? Perhaps he'll go to London and apologize for the American Revolution?

The only waste here is your incorrect comment.

[Elessar]

Obama said he won't apologize. 7 pages of waste.

Just know the pattern of his behavior. He said he "would not spike the foot" after Bin Laden,
too....but did just that 1 day later.

[aboutime]

Obama said he won't apologize. 7 pages of waste.


And, of course...you believe the liar-in-chief pete? 7 pages is nothing.....


Try this....
http://youtu.be/nDDbTaWpwoc