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stephanie
07-20-2007, 05:18 PM
Update: House Dems kill John Doe amendment…fight moves to the Senate Update: 8:55pm Senate Dems kill John Doe amendment…roll added
By Michelle Malkin • July 19, 2007 06:59 PM 7/20 1:25pm update. Video of Rep. Pete King ripping the Dems over their opposition to the John Doe amendment.

7/20 9:30am update. Read Debra Burlingame: “We disarm ourselves when we succumb to political correctness - which encourages us to second guess our common sense and look the other way. It is an outrage that Pelosi and Reid would allow individuals to be punished when they come forward to protect us all.”

If you see something, say something:

Congress switchboard: 202-224-3121
Nancy Pelosi’s office: 202-225-4965
Reid’s office: 202-224-3542

7/20 7:40am update: Andrew McCarthy assails the Death Wish Caucus–the cowardly, reckless, feckless Democrats who want John Doe citizen whistleblowers to shut up or be sued.



Photoshop via Justin Higgins at Right on the Right

9:20pm Eastern update. Here’s the roll on the Senate John Doe protection amendment, which missed the 60-vote threshold by 3 votes. Interesting facts: No Republican voted against it. GOP presidential candidate Sam “Switchback” Brownback didn’t bother to vote. Hillary voted for it. Obama sat it out:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00261#position



Reader S.M. looks at some of the at-risk ‘08 Dems who voted for the bill (Hillary, Baucus, Landrieu) versus the supposed “maverick” freshmen (who don’t face re-election until 2012) who voted no (Webb, Tester, McCaskill, etc.): “Transparent politics. Kill the measure, but do it in a way that protects the vulnerable incumbents from attack ads.”

Yep.

8:55pm Eastern update. Well, the Senate Dems have spoken. Susan Collins got a vote, but it just failed. Audrey Hudson’s latest update: “The measure failed in a late-night 57-39 vote after some last minute arm-twisting by Democrats, three votes shy of the required (super majority) 60 votes because it was not directly related (germane) to the underlying educational funding bill.”

Bottom line: The Dems believe that if you see something, you should just shut up.

This fight is not over. There still is a final conference report to be hashed out. Keep your phones lit. The Senate Dems need to hear from you.

Stand by for the roll on Collins’ John Doe protection amendment, SA 2340…

6:58 pm Eastern update and bumped. Audrey Hudson reports the Dems have successfully stripped out the John Doe amendment:

Congressional Democrats today failed to include a provision in homeland security legislation that would protect the public from being sued for reporting suspicious behavior that may lead to a terrorist attack, according to House Republican leaders.

“This is a slap in the face of good citizens who do their patriotic duty and come forward, and it caves in to radical Islamists,” said Rep. Peter T. King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
Who is responsible? Bryan Preston observes:

[The Dems] scuttled this amendment in committee in a way that makes them difficult to track down individually. That’s sneaky but it’s how Washington often works. Rep. Bennie Thompson is the most likely culprit, but it’s unlikely that he’s flying solo here.
The fight’s not over, as Audrey Hudson notes:

While the conference is not likely to meet again, Mr. King noted the conference report has not been written and says he will continue discussions with Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut independent and chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, to insert the “John Doe” language.

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine Republican and ranking member of the committee, announced afterward she will attempt to attach a similar bill to an education measure currently under debate on the Senate floor.
Keep calling Nancy Pelosi’s office to protest.

And start hounding your Senators.

Congress switchboard: 202-224-3121
Nancy Pelosi’s office: 202-225-4965

Who is John Doe? I am John Doe. You are John Doe:



2:56pm Eastern update. Audrey Hudson reports…

A Senate Republican aide says they scored one victory when the chamber’s parliamentarian ruled this morning that the “John Doe” protections are within the scope of the legislation and can be included by amendment.

“Combine that with the public outcry and Democrats may be forced to cave,” the aide said.

However, Democrats plan to limit the number of amendments to only three or four and there is no word yet on which amendments will be allowed.
Keep the pressure on.

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Andy McCarthy and Audrey Hudson report that Democrats are attempting to water down the “John Doe” amendment–the legislation sponsored by Rep. Peter King that would protect citizen whistleblowers who act to protect our national security and who are threatened by lawsuits from CAIR and their grievance-mongering ilk. Time is short. You need to make your voice heard in Congress now.

Hudson writes:

Democrats are trying to pull a provision from a homeland security bill that will protect the public from being sued for reporting suspicious behavior that may lead to a terrorist attack, according to House Republican leadership aides.

The legislation, which moves to a House and Senate conference committee this afternoon, will implement final recommendations from the 911 Commission.

Rep. Pete King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee, and Rep. Steve Pearce, New Mexico Republican, sponsored the bill after a group of Muslim imams filed a lawsuit against U.S. Airways and unknown or “John Doe” passengers after they were removed for suspicious behavior aboard Flight 300 from Minneapolis to Phoenix on Nov. 20 before their removal.

“Democrats are trying to find any technical excuse to keep immunity out of the language of the bill to protect citizens, who in good faith, report suspicious activity to police or law enforcement,” Mr. King said in an interview last night.

“This is a slap in the face of good citizens who do their patriotic duty and come forward, and it caves in to radical Islamists,” Mr. King said.

“I don’t see how you can have a homeland security bill without protecting people who come forward to report suspicious activity,” Mr. King said.
McCarthy sums up why this is so critical: “As Pete King’s office notes, in a post-9/11 reality, passenger vigilance is essential to our security. Given the variety of threats we face and terrorists’ history of targeting mass transit systems, encouraging passengers to report strange behavior to authorities is really just common sense. Failing to report suspicious behavior could end up costing thousands of lives — and while the “flying imams” don’t seem to understand this, the American people do. We must make certain that brave citizens who stand up and say something are given the protections they deserve. The King amendment does exactly that, and Democrats musn’t be allowed to strip it from the 9/11 conference report on a technicality.”

the rest on this at michelles site..

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/19/dont-let-the-dems-kill-the-john-doe-amendment/

Gaffer
07-20-2007, 06:34 PM
The idea that the goddam dems would even consider keeping this amendment out is as unAmerican as it can be. This is a real important piece of legislation and there's no reason what so ever to not have it.

nevadamedic
07-20-2007, 06:44 PM
The idea that the goddam dems would even consider keeping this amendment out is as unAmerican as it can be. This is a real important piece of legislation and there's no reason what so ever to not have it.

C'mon Gaffer, do you really expect anything else from the Dems?

JohnDoe
07-20-2007, 07:50 PM
I could be posting prematurely, because I have done no other reading on this other than skimming what you had posted, but I am not certain that we should protect people who could PURPOSELY....WRONGLY ACCUSE someone, and that "someone" goes through hell for it, for months on end....

Did it mention how they would prevent this from happening without the ability to sue the person that intentionally harmed them?

I mean, there was some guy recently that there was a thread about that had neighbors call the cops on him for legally purchased weapons and they confiscated them to check their legality....don't know the end of the story, but this guy should not have had to go through this hell....especially if it turns out that all of his stock was legit? At least I don't think so....

We all should have the right to sue if we have legitimate grievences imo.

And everytime Congress puts in a rule to make an exception they make someone in our society "Worth more" than the next person, don't you think?

It gets tiring seeing all of the posts, and I mean collectively, just bashing Dems instead of thinking about the issue and discussing the ramifications of it.

Is your hate that deep that conversation on things like this are just unacceptable to you all?

I never know anymore...it all seems like...that because I am a Liberal (supposedly) that I am the enemy, NO MATTER what the discussion is around here, that is, what little there is of it...discussion and debate is lacking to say the least, but bashing and "hahaha, I gotchas" are a dime a dozen from a bunch of people that no less are my fellow brothers in Christ?

Anyway, I can understand the need to protect the Whistle Blower too, and perhaps if I knew more about the subject, there is a way to find a happy medium to protect them, unless it is a purposeful act of wanting to harm another person through the whistle blowing...and more than likely, most people that whistleblow, are not out to hurt their fellow American if their fellow American is not trying to harm them you would think?

But there is also the possibility that this kind of thing could get out of hand and we could have the situation that neighbors turn against neighbors and whistleblowing gets used by our police and other departments of enforcement for every little thing that is a crime and we turn in to some kind of gestapo/nazi/ turning in your neighbors type thing and LOSE our Land of the Free forever...

What do you think?

Well Hell's bells....

Confession time only without the Priest to absolve it! ;)

I talk too much....(hmmm...reminds me of another thread.)

I am certain at this point, along with all of my other posts with my bitching or my sensitivity:slap: ... gives it away that this particular John Doe is a female.

Some on this site know me as a female, but most of you don't so I thought it was time to clear this up.

Disclaimer!
I have never lied about this and when speaking of my husband, used the word spouse. :)