Virgina, and felons being able to vote

[jimnyc]

So the governor has stroked his pen and now over 200,000 former felons got the voting rights back. Not allowing them to vote with the felony records was equated to - “long and sad history” of suppressing African-American voting power". WTF?

And what do you know, just in time for this battleground state to vote for Hillary. This kind of shit should be illegal. I have no issue with PROPER pardons and things like that, for folks who may deserve it - but they say that rapists and murderers are on this list - and of course they will vote Hillary.

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Gov. Terry McAuliffe signed an executive order Friday restoring the voting rights of 206,000 ex-felons, a sweeping action the governor said was aimed largely at rectifying Virginia’s “long and sad history” of suppressing African-American voting power.

The move, coming in a presidential election year, outraged Republicans who accused McAuliffe of abusing his power to help longtime ally Hillary Clinton win a battleground state by putting more likely Democratic voters on the books.

The governor’s order applies to all violent and nonviolent felons who had finished their sentence and supervised release as of Friday, even those who have not applied for a restoration of rights. Previous Virginia governors have restored rights on an individual basis, but none has done it for an entire category of offenders with one pen stroke.

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_771db279-34d6-5a3d-9557-a417a8afb212.html

[Atticus Finch]

McAuliffe is a punk.Isn't he the one who ran Gore's campaign and tried to block the overseas ballots from military service members?

[aboutime]

McAuliffe is a punk.Isn't he the one who ran Gore's campaign and tried to block the overseas ballots from military service members?


Better known as Terry McAWFULL. He was the driving force behind both Clintons while Bubba was in office. Terry taught them how to cheat, lie, and pretend they Love the people who voted for them.

Terry stole the Governorship in Virginia, and he convinced many of the Political ENEMIES in Republican Garb to sell their SOULS for federal dollar exchanges via the Obama Destroy America plans. Then....he threw them under the Political Bus by slow destruction, and political suicide agreements.

[Gunny]

McAuliffe is a punk.Isn't he the one who ran Gore's campaign and tried to block the overseas ballots from military service members?

That would be him and one of those votes would be mine. When you're at sea you'd have to vote a year in advance so your mail could be carried to a frigate, then the frigate makes way. The mail gets dropped when it gets port. Sits around while some clerk f*cks around with it at his leisure. Then it gets loaded on another frigate that takes a month or so to get the world. THEN the USPS gets their hands on it. Wonderful. Just some dumb jarhead or squid's unimportant mail.

And I felt special. It took only 6 weeks or so, give or take, to get my mail. I can't even imagine what went on back in the day. We'd hear from my dad about every 4 months.

Odd how we have all this so-called social media and instant contact but no one can fix the way we vote.

[Elessar]

Let's face it....

The Dem's are scared!

[Gunny]

Let's face it....

The Dem's are scared!

No they aren't. They're running a propaganda campaign George Geobbels and Hitler would be proud of and it's working. Question is, how long do we sit by and watch it happen? Hitler could have been kept out of power and nobody did anything.

We going to repeat history?

[Noir]

Your thread title says Felons, the article says Ex-Felons, for a start thats a considerable difference.

This governer has likely done this for personal political reasons, but that notwithstanding - Why should you not be allowed to vote after you have served your sentence for your crime?

[jimnyc]

Your thread title says Felons, the article says Ex-Felons, for a start thats a considerable difference.

This governer has likely done this for personal political reasons, but that notwithstanding - Why should you not be allowed to vote after you have served your sentence for your crime?

Once a felon ALWAYS a felon until you either have it expunged, or the governor does what he did here. They had NO RIGHTS to vote as felons and now it's been restored.

It's like that in EVERY state in America. You get rights restored ONLY in the ways I mentioned. You don't simply serve a sentence and get them back, always been this way. When you commit a crime, you know what the consequences will be, and jail has always been one, criminal records AND also loss of voting rights and gun rights if you are a felon.

Unless of course you also believe that a double murderer, released from prison after 25 years - should be able to go out and buy AR-15's and all other kinds of cool weapons. And YES, murderers DO now have the right do so in Virginia.

[jimnyc]

For clarification - once "convicted" of a felony, you are ALWAYS a "convicted felon" - unless you get a pardon or expungement.

[Voted4Reagan]

This needs to be fought in court.. with the stroke of a pen Virginia is now firmly a Blue state when it was a battleground for the last few election cycles?

What do the people of Virginia think about this?

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are rolling over in their graves....

[aboutime]

Individuals convicted of a felony are ineligible to vote while incarcerated and on parole. Voting rights are automatically restored upon completion of parole, and people on probation can vote. Ex-offenders should re-register to vote.
Voting as an Ex-Offender - Nonprofit Vote
www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/

[jimnyc]

Individuals convicted of a felony are ineligible to vote while incarcerated and on parole. Voting rights are automatically restored upon completion of parole, and people on probation can vote. Ex-offenders should re-register to vote.
Voting as an Ex-Offender - Nonprofit Vote
www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/ (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/)


I guess that's the part that I missed, that they can apply for restoration of some rights ( voting rights ), after their parole/probation. It would appear that they are still considered felons, but can apply for reinstatement to vote. Learn something new every day!

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In many parts of the United States, a felon can face long-term legal consequences persisting after the end of their imprisonment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_consequences_of_criminal_conviction_%28 U.S.%29). The status and designation as a "felon" is considered permanent, and is not extinguished upon sentence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_sentencing_in_the_United_States) completion even if parole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parole), probation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation) or early release was given.[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony#cite_note-New_Jim_Crow-18) The status can be cleared only by a successful appeal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_appeal) or executive clemency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_clemency). However, felons may apply for restoration of some rights after a certain period of time has passed.

The consequences felons face in most states include:



Disenfranchisement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement) (expressly permitted by the Fourteenth Amendment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion), as noted by the Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States))
Exclusion from obtaining certain licenses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License), such as a visa, or professional licenses required to legally operate (making some vocations off-limits to felons)
Exclusion from purchase and possession of firearms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms), ammunition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammunition), and body armor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_armor)
Ineligibility to serve on a jury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury)
Ineligibility for government assistance or welfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare), including being barred from federally funded housing
Deportation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation) (if not a citizen)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony#United_States

[Gunny]

Your thread title says Felons, the article says Ex-Felons, for a start thats a considerable difference.

This governer has likely done this for personal political reasons, but that notwithstanding - Why should you not be allowed to vote after you have served your sentence for your crime?

Not in this country, junior. It works like your 4th Amendment right to innocent until proven guilty. Meaning it's the opposite. In theory, once you pay your debt to society/serve your sentence, the debt is supposed to be paid. In reality, you might as well stamp a big red "F" on their foreheads.

I don't agree with it, but that's how it is.

[LongTermGuy]

"What ever it takes..."


http://3m12dd41gw8bqlgg62dfsvyl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/hillary-clinton-old.jpg

[Gunny]

"What ever it takes..."


http://3m12dd41gw8bqlgg62dfsvyl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/hillary-clinton-old.jpg

Okay, you should be shot for this shit. She's hideous enough without you helping out, MF-er.

[Bilgerat]

Here's an interesting site, where some answers can be found

The fourth question is very interesting, proves that the Punk is pandering for a new job.

https://commonwealth.virginia.gov/judicial-system/restoration-of-rights/

[Noir]

Once a felon ALWAYS a felon until you either have it expunged, or the governor does what he did here. They had NO RIGHTS to vote as felons and now it's been restored. It's like that in EVERY state in America. You get rights restored ONLY in the ways I mentioned. You don't simply serve a sentence and get them back, always been this way. When you commit a crime, you know what the consequences will be, and jail has always been one, criminal records AND also loss of voting rights and gun rights if you are a felon. Unless of course you also believe that a double murderer, released from prison after 25 years - should be able to go out and buy AR-15's and all other kinds of cool weapons. And YES, murderers DO now have the right do so in Virginia.

I wouldn't say a convicted murderer buying weapons, or voting, are similar or equal.

[jimnyc]

I wouldn't say a convicted murderer buying weapons, or voting, are similar or equal.

Of course they aren't the same. But committing a felony in the USA causes one to lose certain rights, has always been that way. Same as various penalties for other crimes, used as deterrents. But instead of following the law as it was, and in every state in America - the governor took charge and bypassed that for over 200,000 people - in order to help get votes for democrats.

The law is the law, and it shouldn't be bent in order to help others politically. If folks want to be a part of the American political process, then they shouldn't commit crimes. Or perhaps they just shouldn't commit them in certain states. :rolleyes:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Okay, you should be shot for this shit. She's hideous enough without you helping out, MF-er.

I was just about to post the same reply as you just did.. That maggot's face could make a freight train take a dirt road.
Her mom hung pork chops around her neck to get the dogs to play with her.- --Tyr

[Bilgerat]

I wouldn't say a convicted murderer buying weapons, or voting, are similar or equal.


But what rights does the murdered person have?

That's right, they were taken away forever

But let's let the felon enjoy his, right?

[jimnyc]

But what rights does the murdered person have?

That's right, they were taken away forever

But let's let the felon enjoy his, right?

That's correct. Fact is, when convicted of certain crimes, you knowingly then forfeit certain rights. Whether that be murder, or felonious drug possession. But these criminals might lower the numbers voting Democrat in Virginia, so now they just added 200k to the voter registration.

Theoretically speaking, someone could have shot someone else in the head, that person is dead - they go to jail for 25 to life, get out in 15 - and now have their civil rights restored so that they can help Hillary in that state?

[Gunny]

But what rights does the murdered person have?

That's right, they were taken away forever

But let's let the felon enjoy his, right?


That's correct. Fact is, when convicted of certain crimes, you knowingly then forfeit certain rights. Whether that be murder, or felonious drug possession. But these criminals might lower the numbers voting Democrat in Virginia, so now they just added 200k to the voter registration.

Theoretically speaking, someone could have shot someone else in the head, that person is dead - they go to jail for 25 to life, get out in 15 - and now have their civil rights restored so that they can help Hillary in that state?

There's no right answer. However, theoretically, by rule of law, once you pay your debt to society it is paid. Our society is so selective about law and enforcement now we have more rules than Baskin Robbins has flavors. And let's be REAL clear here ... I'm talking about the law, not the crimes. We need to just stop lying to the people and ourselves. Our laws are selective, one-way streets. We need to change laws or change our practices.

If you're busted on a presumption of guilt, you have to pawn the house to post bail. That's NOT the way I read the 4th. When you pay your debt to society, it's paid. That doesn't mean you have to register as a sex offender everywhere yo go and the neighbors can post your face all over every tree and telephone pole.

If you're an idiot President that thinks he can usurp the law, what happens? If we are a land of laws, we need to determine what they are and live by them. Right now, everyone's making up their own shit.

[aboutime]

Okay, you should be shot for this shit. She's hideous enough without you helping out, MF-er.




Everybody should save that photo of the Witch if you enjoy PUKING!

[Gunny]

That's correct. Fact is, when convicted of certain crimes, you knowingly then forfeit certain rights. Whether that be murder, or felonious drug possession. But these criminals might lower the numbers voting Democrat in Virginia, so now they just added 200k to the voter registration.

Theoretically speaking, someone could have shot someone else in the head, that person is dead - they go to jail for 25 to life, get out in 15 - and now have their civil rights restored so that they can help Hillary in that state?

I was more referring to inequality in which our laws are enforced, and the ones that make no sense. The Federal government is quick to interfere in state business, but they can't seem to handle their own. The border. Voting laws for federal office. You know you can get more time for robbing a bank than murder? The crap makes no sense. And if you want some REAL fun, try reading the tax code. The freakin' National Electrical Code or War and Peace are shorter.

[aboutime]

Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
Individuals convicted of a felony are ineligible to vote while incarcerated and on parole. Voting rights are automatically restored upon completion of parole, and people on probation can vote. Ex-offenders should re-register to vote.
Voting as an Ex-Offender - Nonprofit Vote
www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/

[Gunny]

Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
Individuals convicted of a felony are ineligible to vote while incarcerated and on parole. Voting rights are automatically restored upon completion of parole, and people on probation can vote. Ex-offenders should re-register to vote.
Voting as an Ex-Offender - Nonprofit Vote
www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/ (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/)


If that's changed, so be it. In FL, you could not vote if you were a convicted felon. That was a long time ago. I have no idea what the deal is now.

[Kathianne]

If that's changed, so be it. In FL, you could not vote if you were a convicted felon. That was a long time ago. I have no idea what the deal is now.

You're right about FL. Here's the longer quote from AT's link: (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/)



In all but two states, voting age citizens convicted of a felony are barred from voting for some period of time. Laws vary in each state (http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286). While many states restore voting rights to individuals automatically after they exit jail or prison, others permanently disenfranchise people with a past felony conviction or require they petition the government to have their right restored.

This is a short up-to-date state guide to voting for ex-offenders. For more, visit the resources on the right.

Overview

Voting rights retained while incarcerated for a felony conviction in:
Maine (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Maine) and Vermont (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Vermont).

Voting rights restored automatically upon release from prison in:
The District of Columbia (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#District of Columbia), Hawaii (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Hawaii), Illinois (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Illinois), Indiana (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Indiana), Massachusetts (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Massachusetts),Michigan (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Michigan), Montana (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Montana), New Hampshire (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#New Hampshire), North Dakota (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#North Dakota), Ohio (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Ohio), Oregon (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Oregon),Pennsylvania (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Pennsylvania), Rhode Island (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Rhode Island), and Utah (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Utah).

Voting rights restored automatically once released from prison and discharged from parole (probationers can vote) in:
California (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#California), Colorado (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Colorado), Connecticut (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Connecticut), and New York. (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#New York)

Voting rights restored automatically upon completion of sentence, including prison, parole, and probation in:
Alaska (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Alaska), Arizona (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Arizona), Arkansas (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Arkansas), Georgia (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Georgia), Idaho (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Idaho), Kansas (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Kansas), Louisiana (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Louisiana),Maryland (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Maryland), Minnesota (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Minnesota), Missouri (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Missouri), Nebraska (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Nebraska), New Jersey (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#New Jersey), New Mexico (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#New Mexico), North Carolina (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#North Carolina), Oklahoma (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Oklahoma), South Carolina (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#South Carolina), South Dakota (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#South%20Dakota),Texas (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Texas), Washington (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Washington), West Virginia (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#West Virginia), and Wisconsin (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Wisconsin).

Voting rights restoration is dependent on the type of conviction and/or the outcome of an individual petition or application to the government in:
Alabama (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Alabama), Delaware (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Delaware), Mississippi (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Mississippi), Nevada (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Nevada), Tennessee (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Tennessee), and Wyoming (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Wyoming).

Voting rights can ONLY be restored through an individual petition or application to the government in:

Florida (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Florida), Iowa (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Iowa), Kentucky (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Kentucky), and Virginia (http://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-as-an-ex-offender/#Virginia).

[LongTermGuy]

Okay, you should be shot for this shit. She's hideous enough without you helping out, MF-er.

​I like Irritating you...cause I love ya man.....when ya get mad you make me smile...she is Hideous:laugh:

[Gunny]

​I like Irritating you...cause I love ya man.....when ya get mad you make me smile...she is Hideous:laugh:

It's all good, fuckwit. :laugh2: