Blocking Trump could hurt Republicans in election

[jimnyc]

What I've been saying. Same I just read in a few places like Pa and WV, where the delegates can vote for whoever, regardless of who THE PEOPLE actually vote for. Sure, it's within the rules, I get that. But those rules are going to put the witch in office. And all of those who laughed at the Trump folks, and laughed about how he couldn't win the 1237 and such - I doubt will be laughing come November. :(

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(Reuters) - A third of Republican voters who support Donald Trump could turn their backs on their party in November's presidential election if he is denied the nomination in a contested convention, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

The results are bad news for Trump's rivals as well as party elites opposed to the real estate billionaire, suggesting that an alternative Republican nominee for the Nov. 8 presidential race would have a tougher road against the Democrats.

"If it’s a close election, this is devastating news" for the Republicans, said Donald Green, an expert on election turnout at Columbia University.

The Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted March 30 to April 8 asked Trump’s Republican supporters two questions: if Trump wins the most delegates in the primaries but loses the nomination, what would they do on Election Day, and how would it impact their relationship with the Republican Party?

Sixty-six percent said they would vote for the candidate who eventually wins the nomination, while the remaining third were split between a number of alternatives such as not voting, supporting a third-party candidate, and switching parties and voting for the Democratic nominee.

Meanwhile, 58 percent said they would remain with the Republican Party. Another 16 percent said they would leave it, and 26 percent said they did not know what they would do with their registration. The online poll of 468 Republican Trump supporters has a credibility interval of 5.3 percentage points.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-blocking-trump-could-hurt-republicans-election-reuters-100457456.html

[Kathianne]

I get how you feel. I've been saying that with Trump, the party would split since he got in. I still think he may get the number, but the results will likely be the same whether he does or not get the nomination. I thought he could pull in some that normally vote D, I think he's blown that.

[jimnyc]

Whether within the rules or not, this is the kind of stuff that will force me to go against whatever comes out of the convention. The folks hitting the voting machines and that ballot box should matter. They are almost trying to exclude the people altogether, or as much as possible. I'm cool with folks disliking him, party leaders and others, but it should still be the folks voting, and then the delegates honoring that. I always read about the "RNC", "GOP insiders" "Establishment".

And since they want to push one of their own out the door, I hope Trump has folks looking into getting him into an independent run, even if it's not in every single state. Like they are doing, simply play by the rules, even if it does harm another candidate.

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Indiana hasn’t cast its ballots for president yet, but Donald Trump is already losing.

Republican Party insiders in the state will select 27 delegates to the national convention on Saturday, and Trump is assured to be nearly shut out of support, according to interviews with a dozen party leaders and officials involved in the delegate selection process. Anti-Trump sentiment runs hot among GOP leadership in Indiana, and it’s driving a virulent rejection of the mogul among likely delegates.

“If Satan had the lead on him and was one delegate away from being nominated as our candidate, and Donald Trump was the alternative, I might vote for Donald Trump,” said Craig Dunn, a local GOP leader who is running to represent Indiana’s 4th Congressional District at the national convention in Cleveland. “I’ve always wanted to own a casino, but he couldn’t give me a casino and have me vote for him.”

Indiana GOP insiders are working to engineer slates of delegates — three from each of nine congressional districts — that will turn their backs on Trump at a contested convention in July. Another 27 will be elected at a state committee meeting next week.

Indiana’s delegates will be bound to the results of the state’s May 3 primary on the first vote in Cleveland, and Trump is expected to be competitive in that contest. (There is no current public polling of the state, but several GOP leaders suggested he'd be competitive in at least a couple of the state's nine Congressional districts.) But if Trump fails to clinch the nomination, they’ll be free to vote their conscience — and that means a rapid rejection of Trump. The state’s Republican national committeeman, John Hammond, has vocally called to reject Trump as well.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-indiana-primary-221747#ixzz45LFooApT
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[Kathianne]

I can't say I'm surprised at this report. There's no doubt that Cruz has the folks on the ground to work on delegates elected-that is what a presidential team is supposed to do, it's why Trump hasn't won the caucuses.

What many are missing though is that the approach of the 'anti-Trump' forces on the ground are most likely selling 'Cruz' more on what happens in local/state elections than presidential. I'm not the only one that really was anti-Cruz at the begging of the contest, Trump just overshadowed that. Bottom line now is that the D's are more likely to win the Presidency, so do folks want to give up the Senate too? Governorships? etc.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Whether within the rules or not, this is the kind of stuff that will force me to go against whatever comes out of the convention. The folks hitting the voting machines and that ballot box should matter. They are almost trying to exclude the people altogether, or as much as possible. I'm cool with folks disliking him, party leaders and others, but it should still be the folks voting, and then the delegates honoring that. I always read about the "RNC", "GOP insiders" "Establishment".

And since they want to push one of their own out the door, I hope Trump has folks looking into getting him into an independent run, even if it's not in every single state. Like they are doing, simply play by the rules, even if it does harm another candidate.

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Indiana hasn’t cast its ballots for president yet, but Donald Trump is already losing.

Republican Party insiders in the state will select 27 delegates to the national convention on Saturday, and Trump is assured to be nearly shut out of support, according to interviews with a dozen party leaders and officials involved in the delegate selection process. Anti-Trump sentiment runs hot among GOP leadership in Indiana, and it’s driving a virulent rejection of the mogul among likely delegates.

“If Satan had the lead on him and was one delegate away from being nominated as our candidate, and Donald Trump was the alternative, I might vote for Donald Trump,” said Craig Dunn, a local GOP leader who is running to represent Indiana’s 4th Congressional District at the national convention in Cleveland. “I’ve always wanted to own a casino, but he couldn’t give me a casino and have me vote for him.”

Indiana GOP insiders are working to engineer slates of delegates — three from each of nine congressional districts — that will turn their backs on Trump at a contested convention in July. Another 27 will be elected at a state committee meeting next week.

Indiana’s delegates will be bound to the results of the state’s May 3 primary on the first vote in Cleveland, and Trump is expected to be competitive in that contest. (There is no current public polling of the state, but several GOP leaders suggested he'd be competitive in at least a couple of the state's nine Congressional districts.) But if Trump fails to clinch the nomination, they’ll be free to vote their conscience — and that means a rapid rejection of Trump. The state’s Republican national committeeman, John Hammond, has vocally called to reject Trump as well.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-indiana-primary-221747#ixzz45LFooApT
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Globalism and globalist influence/power is behind much of this hate Trump crap.
I suspect that they approached him with their treasonous agenda and he rejected them--if so-- then they just may decide to eliminate him altogether (as they did Justice Scalia).
He would be wise to hire his own (the best) protection possible and not depend on those supplied by the obama dictatorship.-Tyr

[tailfins]

Whether within the rules or not, this is the kind of stuff that will force me to go against whatever comes out of the convention. The folks hitting the voting machines and that ballot box should matter. They are almost trying to exclude the people altogether, or as much as possible. I'm cool with folks disliking him, party leaders and others, but it should still be the folks voting, and then the delegates honoring that. I always read about the "RNC", "GOP insiders" "Establishment".

And since they want to push one of their own out the door, I hope Trump has folks looking into getting him into an independent run, even if it's not in every single state. Like they are doing, simply play by the rules, even if it does harm another candidate.

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Indiana hasn’t cast its ballots for president yet, but Donald Trump is already losing.

Republican Party insiders in the state will select 27 delegates to the national convention on Saturday, and Trump is assured to be nearly shut out of support, according to interviews with a dozen party leaders and officials involved in the delegate selection process. Anti-Trump sentiment runs hot among GOP leadership in Indiana, and it’s driving a virulent rejection of the mogul among likely delegates.

“If Satan had the lead on him and was one delegate away from being nominated as our candidate, and Donald Trump was the alternative, I might vote for Donald Trump,” said Craig Dunn, a local GOP leader who is running to represent Indiana’s 4th Congressional District at the national convention in Cleveland. “I’ve always wanted to own a casino, but he couldn’t give me a casino and have me vote for him.”

Indiana GOP insiders are working to engineer slates of delegates — three from each of nine congressional districts — that will turn their backs on Trump at a contested convention in July. Another 27 will be elected at a state committee meeting next week.

Indiana’s delegates will be bound to the results of the state’s May 3 primary on the first vote in Cleveland, and Trump is expected to be competitive in that contest. (There is no current public polling of the state, but several GOP leaders suggested he'd be competitive in at least a couple of the state's nine Congressional districts.) But if Trump fails to clinch the nomination, they’ll be free to vote their conscience — and that means a rapid rejection of Trump. The state’s Republican national committeeman, John Hammond, has vocally called to reject Trump as well.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-indiana-primary-221747#ixzz45LFooApT
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Trump wants to be worse than Al Gore 2000. Everyone knew the rules going in. Just like GW Bush won the electoral college in 2000, Ted Cruz stands to win the GOP convention by carefully reading the rules and playing them to maximum advantage.

[jimnyc]

I can't say I'm surprised at this report. There's no doubt that Cruz has the folks on the ground to work on delegates elected-that is what a presidential team is supposed to do, it's why Trump hasn't won the caucuses.

What many are missing though is that the approach of the 'anti-Trump' forces on the ground are most likely selling 'Cruz' more on what happens in local/state elections than presidential. I'm not the only one that really was anti-Cruz at the begging of the contest, Trump just overshadowed that. Bottom line now is that the D's are more likely to win the Presidency, so do folks want to give up the Senate too? Governorships? etc.

This is a LOT more than just about Cruz and his team on the ground. If it were JUST that, I would have no issue.

[Kathianne]

This is a LOT more than just about Cruz and his team on the ground. If it were JUST that, I would have no issue.

What do you think is influencing the delegates?

[sundaydriver]

Globalism and globalist influence/power is behind much of this hate Trump crap.
I suspect that they approached him with their treasonous agenda and he rejected them--if so-- then they just may decide to eliminate him altogether (as they did Justice Scalia).
He would be wise to hire his own (the best) protection possible and not depend on those supplied by the obama dictatorship.-Tyr

Since Trump requested SS protection and has spoken how great they are he must not have the same worries as you. :slap:

[jimnyc]

What do you think is influencing the delegates?

As in the articles, much of it is party leaders and other elites that have nothing to do with the candidates themselves. It doesn't matter why they feel the way they do, if they want to try and change the election before folks even have a chance to vote, then a percentage of those voters will be pissed and rebel - guaranteed.

[jimnyc]

Trump wants to be worse than Al Gore 2000. Everyone knew the rules going in. Just like GW Bush won the electoral college in 2000, Ted Cruz stands to win the GOP convention by carefully reading the rules and playing them to maximum advantage.

And when the rules are STILL followed, and Trump runs a 3rd party campaign, or folks stay home, and another candidate loses as a result of that - how are you going to feel then? Blame Trump for getting involved and screwing things up?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Trump want to be worse than Al Gore 2000. Everyone knew the rules going in. Just like GW Bush won the electoral college in 2000, Ted Cruz stands to win the GOP convention by carefully reading the rules and playing them to maximum advantage.

Helluva lot more at play than just that.
Outside foreign interests, globalists and inside corruption on top of dem party/media obama government corruption and illegal /unsavory tactics in play.
If you only knew even one-tenth of what you so self-confidently think you know!
You see about 5% of it IMHO.
AND IN YOUR DELUSIONAL SERVITUDE TO YOURSELF ABOVE ALL OTHERS IN THE UNIVERSE THINK YOU ARE BRILLIANT.
Mad, sad and delusional is no way to wander thru life .
Go buy a clue... or educate yourself-- as its truly shameful the way that you post in such massive ignorance IMHO.-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Since Trump requested SS protection and has spoken how great they are he must not have the same worries as you. :slap:

Your optimism may suit you well but some of us see darker forces far more readily than others-- being a history buff and studying wars , great battles, dying empires helps.
He is a business man--I am a thinker and a realist.
The fact that he may think he is safe is a sad mistake on his part.
Or he has other personal security teams in place and does not want to advertise that fact.
Or even maybe he wants to keep a close eye on his most likely enemies--obama's picked goons .
Anybody that trust the government under the obama with their life is a damn fool IMHO.
I trust it(them), just about as far as I can throw my house..-Tyr

[Kathianne]

As in the articles, much of it is party leaders and other elites that have nothing to do with the candidates themselves. It doesn't matter why they feel the way they do, if they want to try and change the election before folks even have a chance to vote, then a percentage of those voters will be pissed and rebel - guaranteed.


That is the way the system works, closer the primary is held to the Convention, the more the delegates are selected before the election. The 'party leaders' and 'elites' are part and parcel of the local scenes, it's why they are where they are. Delegates too or at least they have the clout to be up for being a delegate.

This election has just focused the focus at the end on the making of the sausage, there really is nothing new here.

The delegates are bound by the popular election results through the first ballot. Trump does need to hit that 1237 if at all possible-which it is.

[tailfins]

This is a LOT more than just about Cruz and his team on the ground. If it were JUST that, I would have no issue.

Just for you, I'm going to post here what I wouldn't have otherwise bothered with because it would have been a waste of time on deaf ears: Trump's delegate management team is fully incompetent. RedState dot com has chronicled this extensively.

Washington State: Letting the deadline pass PLUS emailed supporters in WASHINGTON DC for help with Washington state.

New, ‘improved’ Team Trump utterly messes up the delegate wrangling process in Washington State.


http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2016/04/08/paul-manafort-donald-trump-washington-state-ted-cruz-delegates/


Trump campaign put THE WRONG PEOPLE on their Colorado-07 slates.


http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2016/04/07/trump-campaign-handing-colorado-07-slates-wrong-people-them./

Trump screws up getting his voters into the NYS GOP.

What do you think the odds were of the Trump campaign notifying potential voters before October 9 that they had to change party. Not very great. Trump didn’t stand up aNew York campaign operation until yesterday (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-announces-new-york-state-campaign).

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/04/07/new-yorks-voter-registration-law-going-screw-donald-trump/



Trump has No Campaign Infrastructure in Remaining Primary States



http://www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2016/04/07/trump-campaign-infrastructure-remaining-primary-states/



BREAKING. Donald Trump Will Not Attend Colorado GOP Convention



http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/04/07/breaking.-donald-trump-will-attend-colorado-gop-convention/


Trump campaign in disarray



http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-campaign-staff-disarray-221557


Last month, the campaign laid off the leader of its data team, Matt Braynard, who did not train a successor. It elevated his No. 2, a data engineer with little prior high-level political strategy experience, and also shifted some of his team’s duties to a 2015 college graduate whose last job was an internship with the consumer products company Colgate-Palmolive. Some of the campaign’s data remains inaccessible.




At the moment, though, Trump’s team appears to be something of a patchwork group without much experience—partly because so many staffers are being fired.



There's MUCH, MUCH more I could post.

[jimnyc]

That is the way the system works, closer the primary is held to the Convention, the more the delegates are selected before the election. The 'party leaders' and 'elites' are part and parcel of the local scenes, it's why they are where they are. Delegates too or at least they have the clout to be up for being a delegate.

This election has just focused the focus at the end on the making of the sausage, there really is nothing new here.

The delegates are bound by the popular election results through the first ballot. Trump does need to hit that 1237 if at all possible-which it is.

Part and parcel, the way they run and the way they are treating one of their own. Understood. But when Trump takes 33%+ of his followers, and the general election goes down the tubes, I just hope everyone understands that it will also just be part and parcel for the way Trump is trying to get into office, and that if someone else therefore ends up short of votes, it won't be anything new, just the way things go.

IN all of the years I have followed elections, I have never once seen the RNC go after a candidate as such, to have a former candidate come out with a huge announcement/speech, to have the party insiders work the states to solely deny one person. And being the frontrunner.

But it all adds up to a disastrous November for the GOP.

[jimnyc]

Just for you, I'm going to post here what I wouldn't have otherwise bothered with because it would have been a waste of time on deaf ears: Trump's delegate management team is fully incompetent. RedState dot com has chronicled this extensively.

None of that really matters, and doesn't address the others involved in the delegate process. Again, if he were to get denied based on running a shoddy campaign alone, so be it. But you're naive if you don't think MANY party insiders/elites/establishment/RNC... are involved in working against him. THAT is what pisses me off, they couldn't give a rats ass about how people voted, nor how they will vote.

And with those actions, also none of what you write matters. Because of those actions, the damage done - as seen by many Trump supporters, will ensure that those folks simply don't vote for Cruz or the person forced in. Just as you write #Never_Trump and what not - those folks will simply start with #Never_Cruz - or #Never_GOP_Choice or whatever the wording of the day. I would not in the slightest, underestimate those supporters.

[Kathianne]

Part and parcel, the way they run and the way they are treating one of their own. Understood. But when Trump takes 33%+ of his followers, and the general election goes down the tubes, I just hope everyone understands that it will also just be part and parcel for the way Trump is trying to get into office, and that if someone else therefore ends up short of votes, it won't be anything new, just the way things go.

IN all of the years I have followed elections, I have never once seen the RNC go after a candidate as such, to have a former candidate come out with a huge announcement/speech, to have the party insiders work the states to solely deny one person. And being the frontrunner.

But it all adds up to a disastrous November for the GOP.

At this point, actually I'm returning to what I've thought from the beginning, the party is split-how bad remains to be seen.

Trump loses: 33%+ 'walk.' Trump wins, bigger numbers stay home or split their tickets. This is what I said from the very beginning.

[jimnyc]

At this point, actually I'm returning to what I've thought from the beginning, the party is split-how bad remains to be seen.

Trump loses: 33%+ 'walk.' Trump wins, bigger numbers stay home or split their tickets. This is what I said from the very beginning.

That's why I think fairness across the board should have been the best route, and let the cards fall wherever they may have. Folks feeling like other players got involved unfairly, they will turn around and do the same, at least a percentage of them. Personally, I don't have an issue with how Cruz is winning the delegate game. I agree that Trump took a long time to get major players involved in the same game. The split may have been cracked and started early, but as a Trump supporter, I can say that it in no way at all affected my understanding of other candidates, nor my ultimate goal in november. But then the shenanigans and WHO is behind them. They don't like the way the election was going and therefore got involved. And it was THAT where it pissed of Trump supporters, or at least speaking for myself. I already feel like my vote is useless. None of it matters, all that matters is who plays the game best and who has the most power when it comes to getting delegates on their side. But those pushing and winning that game are not looking towards November, only eliminating Trump.

[Voted4Reagan]

And when the rules are STILL followed, and Trump runs a 3rd party campaign, or folks stay home, and another candidate loses as a result of that - how are you going to feel then? Blame Trump for getting involved and screwing things up?

of course he will... because he will blame anyone but himself...

Trump supporters will blame Cruz Supporters
Cruz supporters will blame Trump Supporters.

I will sit back and laugh at both... pointing out that a Democrat will be sitting in the White House because we republicans couldn't get our collective shit together for the sake of the Party..

[Kathianne]

I'm off to work, will post more later, but just a bit now:

The 'game' is being played the same as always in close party nominations. The problem here for the most part, imo, is that the leading candidate did not understand the process in the main. He allowed non-political folks that he 'gut trusted' to lead him in a political quagmire. He got burned, then noticed. Now he's trying to get a team together or rather allow one to form. If Trump loses in the machinations, blame Lewandowski first and to be fair, Trump for allowing it to happen.

[Black Diamond]

That's why I think fairness across the board should have been the best route, and let the cards fall wherever they may have. Folks feeling like other players got involved unfairly, they will turn around and do the same, at least a percentage of them. Personally, I don't have an issue with how Cruz is winning the delegate game. I agree that Trump took a long time to get major players involved in the same game. The split may have been cracked and started early, but as a Trump supporter, I can say that it in no way at all affected my understanding of other candidates, nor my ultimate goal in november. But then the shenanigans and WHO is behind them. They don't like the way the election was going and therefore got involved. And it was THAT where it pissed of Trump supporters, or at least speaking for myself. I already feel like my vote is useless. None of it matters, all that matters is who plays the game best and who has the most power when it comes to getting delegates on their side. But those pushing and winning that game are not looking towards November, only eliminating Trump.

Friend of mine thinks jeb will be nominee.

[Black Diamond]

I get how you feel. I've been saying that with Trump, the party would split since he got in. I still think he may get the number, but the results will likely be the same whether he does or not get the nomination. I thought he could pull in some that normally vote D, I think he's blown that.
November is a long ways away.

[Voted4Reagan]

Friend of mine thinks jeb will be nominee.

Even more ridiculous...

a third Bush Presidency will never happen...

Your friend is foolish to even think so...

[Black Diamond]

Even more ridiculous...

a third Bush Presidency will never happen...

Your friend is foolish to even think so...

I said nominee. Not President. And what makes you think the RNC wouldn't pick jeb? Or Romney?

[Gunny]

What I've been saying. Same I just read in a few places like Pa and WV, where the delegates can vote for whoever, regardless of who THE PEOPLE actually vote for. Sure, it's within the rules, I get that. But those rules are going to put the witch in office. And all of those who laughed at the Trump folks, and laughed about how he couldn't win the 1237 and such - I doubt will be laughing come November. :(

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(Reuters) - A third of Republican voters who support Donald Trump could turn their backs on their party in November's presidential election if he is denied the nomination in a contested convention, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

The results are bad news for Trump's rivals as well as party elites opposed to the real estate billionaire, suggesting that an alternative Republican nominee for the Nov. 8 presidential race would have a tougher road against the Democrats.

"If it’s a close election, this is devastating news" for the Republicans, said Donald Green, an expert on election turnout at Columbia University.

The Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted March 30 to April 8 asked Trump’s Republican supporters two questions: if Trump wins the most delegates in the primaries but loses the nomination, what would they do on Election Day, and how would it impact their relationship with the Republican Party?

Sixty-six percent said they would vote for the candidate who eventually wins the nomination, while the remaining third were split between a number of alternatives such as not voting, supporting a third-party candidate, and switching parties and voting for the Democratic nominee.

Meanwhile, 58 percent said they would remain with the Republican Party. Another 16 percent said they would leave it, and 26 percent said they did not know what they would do with their registration. The online poll of 468 Republican Trump supporters has a credibility interval of 5.3 percentage points.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-blocking-trump-could-hurt-republicans-election-reuters-100457456.html

While I completely agree with your overall assessment, I don't agree with your reasons. Trump IS the problem. He represents a minority of people on the right, not the majority of conservatives.

IMO, voting 3rd party or staying home is a waste and a Dem win and I sure as Hell don't get the mentality of people doing it. Seems to me, everyone that's been bitching for 8 years wouldn't be wallowing around with no focus and resigning the rest of us to at least 4 more years of the same crap. So some don't like Trump. Hillary has been a criminal at least since Whitewater in the 80s. She lies her ass off, and is in violation of the law on more than one count. So let's all "stand on principle" and let HER win. Brilliant. Got another genius move up your sleeve? :rolleyes:

If he wins the nomination, I'll suck it up and vote for him. Losing cause, but I'm not wasting my vote on some nobody.

But let's put the blame where it belongs. It's squarely on the RNC and conservatives who have turned in whiny little bitches if their boy ain't the one running. It's THEIR fault Trump is even in the picture because while they bitch and moan, they have done NOTHING in 12 years to fix the problem. Sh*t don't fix itself.

[Black Diamond]

While I completely agree with your overall assessment, I don't agree with your reasons. Trump IS the problem. He represents a minority of people on the right, not the majority of conservatives.

IMO, voting 3rd party or staying home is a waste and a Dem win and I sure as Hell don't get the mentality of people doing it. Seems to me, everyone that's been bitching for 8 years wouldn't be wallowing around with no focus and resigning the rest of us to at least 4 more years of the same crap. So some don't like Trump. Hillary has been a criminal at least since Whitewater in the 80s. She lies her ass off, and is in violation of the law on more than one count. So let's all "stand on principle" and let HER win. Brilliant. Got another genius move up your sleeve? :rolleyes:

If he wins the nomination, I'll suck it up and vote for him. Losing cause, but I'm not wasting my vote on some nobody.

But let's put the blame where it belongs. It's squarely on the RNC and conservatives who have turned in whiny little bitches if their boy ain't the one running. It's THEIR fault Trump is even in the picture because while they bitch and moan, they have done NOTHING in 12 years to fix the problem. Sh*t don't fix itself.

What if trump doesn't make it to 1237 and Kasich or even worse Romney is nominated in Cleveland? Trump (and Cruz) supporters are just supposed to eat that perversion?

[jimnyc]

What if trump doesn't make it to 1237 and Kasich or even worse Romney is nominated in Cleveland? Trump (and Cruz) supporters are just supposed to eat that perversion?

Not happening, not from a lot of folks.

Do you recall other elections where the party leaders worked so hard for so long to eject one of their own that has such a lead?

It's fair, the normal game - and I hope folks feel the same in November, if the GOP loses as a result of folks avoiding the nominee, or staying home. And maybe even spending untold millions and millions to ensure it happens. All part of the game and par for the course.

[Voted4Reagan]

I said nominee. Not President. And what makes you think the RNC wouldn't pick jeb? Or Romney?

Neither will be the nominee...

Not Jeb

Not Mitt

It comes down to Trump and Cruz and both working together instead of acting like 2 monkeys fucking a football...

[Gunny]

What if trump doesn't make it to 1237 and Kasich or even worse Romney is nominated in Cleveland? Trump (and Cruz) supporters are just supposed to eat that perversion?

Contrary to popular assumption, I'm a fanboy of none of the above. I lived in Cleveland long enough to know Kasich is about as conservative as Putin. That is THE most communist place I've lived. And I've lived in DC, Miami, LA, San Diego, Monterey, CA and IL. Just to name a few. Romney is already a proven loser. He's like Trump. He appeals to a minority segment and he's about as conservative as Kasich. Trump isn't a conservative at all and Cruz needs to learn to just STFU and quit allowing Trump to dictate the game they're playing.

If it actually goes to a brokered convention, the GOP needs to have a backhoe handy to dig its own grave. And yes, I'm going to say "I told you so". I predicted this crap last year and it's playing out just the way I called it. I might be dumb at some things (NEVER ask me to do your plumbing), but playing chess ain't one of them. We're getting the result WE have allowed.

I'll still hold my nose and vote. I voted for McLame and I can't stand him more than any of the above.

[tailfins]

What if trump doesn't make it to 1237 and Kasich or even worse Romney is nominated in Cleveland? Trump (and Cruz) supporters are just supposed to eat that perversion?

It's a low bar to block that. Delegates supporting Trump or Cruz need the same 1237 votes to block such a move. If both leak even a third of their delegates (and not to each other), there will be enough votes to block it.

[Gunny]

It's a low bar to block that. Delegates supporting Trump or Cruz need the same 1237 votes to block such a move. If both leak even a third of their delegates (and not to each other), there will be enough votes to block it.

Then what?

[Black Diamond]

Neither will be the nominee...

Not Jeb

Not Mitt

It comes down to Trump and Cruz and both working together instead of acting like 2 monkeys fucking a football...

Newt seems to agree with you that it comes down to Trump vs Cruz. Why, in your opinion, does it come down to Trump vs Cruz?

[Gunny]

Newt seems to agree with you that it comes down to Trump vs Cruz. Why, in your opinion, does it come down to Trump vs Cruz?

That would be intriguing. IF (big IF) they could work together they might could pull something off. Remember, the yankee-ass Kennedy's hated LBJ but they were smart enough to realize they needed to pull the Southern vote. RFK especially hated LBJ.

Thing is, I don't think you're going to get Cruz to play second fiddle to Trump. And it's foregone that Trump will go home and pout before he'll play second fiddle to anyone.

[Bilgerat]

It's a low bar to block that. Delegates supporting Trump or Cruz need the same 1237 votes to block such a move. If both leak even a third of their delegates (and not to each other), there will be enough votes to block it.


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[tailfins]

Then what?

Then Trump and Cruz are the only ones left on the ballot. It doesn't look like there are enough votes to discontinue the majority of delegates in eight states rule (40B).

[Gunny]

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While I realize it's in jest, that is true. And the RNC hasn't actually chosen a nominee since Reagan. There wouldn't be a Trump if the party had control of its own a$$. They have no viable nominees, and no PR while the Dems have been pimping Hitlery for 12 years.