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Kathianne
03-31-2016, 09:12 AM
To why we are where we are. Why folks feel that 'anything' is better than trying to repair. Why we have the choices we'll likely face in November.

For decades now citizens haven't been taught basic civics. For decades before-at least since the 50's, how the system is set up to work, hasn't been taught or understood. We are now reaping what has been sown:

http://www.knoxnews.com/opinion/columnists/george-korda/dont-know-much-about-history-is-sadly-true-for-many-americans-373973051.html


'Don’t know much about history' is, sadly, true for many Americans


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ay Leno regularly did such a segment when he hosted "The Tonight Show." Probably the best-known current practitioner is Fox News’s Jesse Watters of "Watters World."

They really are funny segments. And depressing. There’s a problem when American citizens are asked such questions as who was the first president of the United States, who won the Civil War, or are asked to describe ISIS; and the answers come back along the lines of Abraham Roosevelt, the French, and a British rock group.

Americans’ obliviousness of their governmental institutions and their country’s past runs deep, as illustrated by a survey conducted by the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. It was unveiled in Sept. 2014 with a news release titled "Americans know surprisingly little about their government, survey finds."

"The survey of 1,416 adults, released for Constitution Day (Sept. 17) in conjunction with the launch of the Civics Renewal Network, found that:

*"While little more than a third of respondents (36 percent) could name all three branches of the U.S. government, just as many (35 percent) could not name a single one.

*"Just over a quarter of Americans (27 percent) know it takes a two-thirds vote of the House and Senate to override a presidential veto.

*"One in five Americans (21 percent) incorrectly thinks that a 5-4 Supreme Court decision is sent back to Congress for reconsideration."




In 2000, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni found that seniors from America’s colleges and universities were graduating with, "alarming ignorance of their heritage and a profound historical illiteracy…four out of five—81%—of seniors recently surveyed from the top 55 colleges and universities in the United States received a grade of D or F on history questions drawn from a basic high school curriculum…Seniors could not identify Valley Forge, words from the Gettysburg Address, or even the basic principles of the U.S. Constitution."

The 2014 National Association of Educational Assessment also revealed unhappy results. Only 18 percent of eighth grade students scored "proficient" in U.S. history, as reported in April 29, 2015’s U.S. News & World Report.

It’s not necessary to go just by statistics and articles. Ask a middle or high school student you know a series of basic U.S. history questions. Do they know what the three branches of government? Can they name the vice president? Can they identify the countries the U.S. fought in World War II; what the Emancipation Proclamation accomplished; what was the Cold War, or much of anything else about U.S. history? (Note, the above example are only 'basic' facts that should be known, in and of themselves doesn't demonstrate the base of knowledge of the facts to the actual content necessary.)

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When an American knows little or nothing about how, when, or why the United States was founded, its governing principles and institutions, and what has been sacrificed to preserve them, the chances are slim of that person having a deep concern about the continuation of those institutions. Why would the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights matter to someone who doesn’t know what they are?

Furthermore, people with political agendas and motives can, perhaps for better, but likely for worse, take advantage of such ignorance.

That’s why it matters. And, unfortunately, unlike a comedy show segment, it’s not funny.

sundaydriver
03-31-2016, 09:28 AM
Just the other day there was a segment on the news where a reporter in DC went into the street and asked passerby's questions similar to Kathianne's article. Most didn't know much about the three branches of government and the one person that was able to answer every question was a Dutch tourist. :eek:

glockmail
03-31-2016, 09:36 AM
It's all part of the Progressive's plan. They've taken over the schools and once-great universities, and of course the print and television media. Then they dumbed down their subjects.

Kathianne
03-31-2016, 09:47 AM
It's all part of the Progressive's plan. They've taken over the schools and once-great universities, and of course the print and television media. Then they dumbed down their subjects.


Actually has more to do with testing and how long the school day is. Civics/history are not on standardized testing routines, as are math, science, and English/reading. Over the years, required courses have been dropped and the minutes given in lower grades have been drastically cut.

Truth is, along with the subtraction of time and the lack of testing, textbook companies have been able to change what is taught in those minutes-thus the lack of both information and depth of knowledge.

Few states are including the basic knowledge of passing a Constitution test, which previously was a requirement for graduation.

Bilgerat
03-31-2016, 09:49 AM
Actually has more to do with testing and how long the school day is. Civics/history are not on standardized testing routines, as are math, science, and English/reading. Over the years, required courses have been dropped and the minutes given in lower grades have been drastically cut.

Truth is, along with the subtraction of time and the lack of testing, textbook companies have been able to change what is taught in those minutes-thus the lack of both information and depth of knowledge.

Few states are including the basic knowledge of passing a Constitution test, which previously was a requirement for graduation.


My lovely Lady is a teacher, and the testing issue is a sore spot with her.

indago
03-31-2016, 10:38 AM
If people found out how government is supposed to work, as opposed to how it is working, there would be riots...

Kathianne
03-31-2016, 10:44 AM
If people found out how government is supposed to work, as opposed to how it is working, there would be riots...

If people understand how it works, it would work much better.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
03-31-2016, 12:33 PM
Actually has more to do with testing and how long the school day is. Civics/history are not on standardized testing routines, as are math, science, and English/reading. Over the years, required courses have been dropped and the minutes given in lower grades have been drastically cut.

Truth is, along with the subtraction of time and the lack of testing, textbook companies have been able to change what is taught in those minutes-thus the lack of both information and depth of knowledge.

Few states are including the basic knowledge of passing a Constitution test, which previously was a requirement for graduation.

Deny them knowledge of their past, they can not properly plot a proper course for their future. Thus we liberals can plot one for them!
Those that do not heed the lessons that history teaches are doomed to repeat the mistakes over and over.
Those that wanted to destroy us knew first to take control of the media -for propaganda purposes and the education system for brainwashing/dumbing down the population purpose.
I asked two young guys that I worked with back in 95, both young , college graduates (one majored in history) if we were a dictatorship, true democracy or Representative Republic--both said-- a true democracy.
I next asked was socialism good or bad--both said-- it was good as it "treated all people fair"!
I then asked was communism good or bad.
One said mostly bad with good mixed in--other other said it was good.
I then asked the brilliant history major if America should abolish our constitution and then rewrite in with socialist or communist ideas that he thought were good- he replied YES!
I THEN ASKED THE OTHER BRILLIANTLY BRAINWASHED SUSPECT THE SAME QUESTION AND HE REPLIED--ANYTHING BEATS WHAT WE HAVE NOW!

I then told them, you both are blithering idiots, educated to be idiots!
I knew more by age 14 than you two blockheads know now as recent college graduates.
One acted all hurt , the other a bit angry.
The angry one asked, why do you think you know more?
I answered, because I was taught before the schools went all to hell and I've kept teaching myself on my own these past 22 years. And I read/studied real history books printed in the 20's , 30's , 40's and 50's.
Not that doctored up , rewritten shit you dumbasses were brainwashed with.

Sure both were upset and even mad..
But what could they do-- cold, hard truth hurts and I was ready to beat hell out of both of them long before ever quizzing them.
Within three weeks both found other jobs as I always smiled and burst out laughing at them when they discussed life in general and their brilliant education. And both were pu**sies..
I was 41 years old then(an old man by their reckoning) , they in their early 20's, both too cowardly to even try to hit me after I blasted them as being true idiots.-:laugh:
Moral of the story--they both(even as sad lots they were) were far, far more educated than the college grads are now!!! A Very Sad Truff.. -Tyr