Literal Islam Is The Problem

[Kathianne]

Great op-ed in USA Today, by yes, a Muslim:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/22/radicalization-isil-islam-sacred-texts-literal-interpretation-column/81808560/


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Western recruits for jihad are inspired by the literal interpretation of Muslim sacred texts. This is what we must fight.


Americans awoke this morning to another terrorist attack (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/22/explosions-rock-brussels-airport/82107254/) — this time in the <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Brussels Airport" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; z-index: 9000; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(100, 98, 94) !important;">Brussels airport</culink> and subway. These attacks hit close to home. Many of us have flown through the Brussels airport, just as we have vacationed in Paris and visited San Bernardino. Once again images of the injured flood social media channels, reminding Americans of the ever-present reality that it could have been us. How is this happening? Why are people becoming radicalized, and so close to home? I am concerned how little we in the West understand why peaceful Muslims who live among us are drawn into radical Islam.

As a Muslim growing up in the United States, I was taught by my imams and the community around me that <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Peace in Islamic philosophy" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; z-index: 9000; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(100, 98, 94) !important;">Islam is a religion of peace</culink>. My family modeled love for others and love for country, and not just by their words. My father served in the <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/United States Navy" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; z-index: 9000; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(100, 98, 94) !important;">U.S. Navy</culink> throughout my childhood, starting as a seaman and retiring as a lieutenant commander. I believed wholeheartedly a slogan often repeated at my mosque after 9/11: “The terrorists who hijacked the planes also hijacked Islam.”

Yet as I began to investigate the Quran and the traditions of Muhammad’s life for myself in college, I found to my genuine surprise that the pages of <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/History of Islam" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; z-index: 9000; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(100, 98, 94) !important;">Islamic history</culink> are filled with violence. How could I reconcile this with what I had always been taught about Islam?

In February 2015, the U.S. State Department Acting Spokesperson <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Marie Harf" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; z-index: 9000; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(100, 98, 94) !important;">Marie Harf</culink>suggested that a “lack of opportunity for jobs (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/02/17/state_dept_spokesperson_we_can_not_kill_our_way_ou t_of_this_war_must_address_root_causes_like_jobles sness.html)” might be a significant factor in radicalization and terrorism. Alternatively, Suraj Lakhani, a scholar of radicalization in Wales, suggested that the process is driven by religious concerns and a drive to bolster one’s personal identity. He implies (http://orca.cf.ac.uk/59779/1/sj.pdf) that young Muslims ought not be allowed to hear ISIL messages or interact with their recruiters.

Naturally, I agree that interacting with ISIL recruiters is a bad idea, but I believe what the recruiters themselves say sheds the most insight on the radicalization process. ISIL’s primary recruiting technique is not social or financial but theological. With frequent references to the highest sources of authority in Islam, the Quran and hadith (the collection of the sayings of the prophet Muhammad), ISIL enjoins upon Muslims their duty to fight against the enemies of Islam and to emigrate to the Islamic State once it has been established.

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Great op-ed in USA Today, by yes, a Muslim:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/22/radicalization-isil-islam-sacred-texts-literal-interpretation-column/81808560/



1. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?36912-I-take-my-stand-you

2. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks

3. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?54030-This-Marine-vet-was-banned-from-his-kid%92s-school-after-objecting-to-Islam-lessons

4. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?54517-Follow-the-law-or-follow-your-faith-Obama%92s-outrageous-order

I am always far ahead of the curve..- :beer: :beer: -Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

Great op-ed in USA Today, by yes, a Muslim:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/22/radicalization-isil-islam-sacred-texts-literal-interpretation-column/81808560/

And there you have it. Religion of subjugation.

[Drummond]

Great op-ed in USA Today, by yes, a Muslim:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/22/radicalization-isil-islam-sacred-texts-literal-interpretation-column/81808560/

Let me see if I've got this straight. Here, we have a lifelong Muslim, 'taken by surprise' at the violent nature of Islam's past, once HE looked into it ??!?

... I mean ... seriously ?

And, Marie Harf, as referred to in the text, turns out to be an advisor to John Kerry .. !! And ... saying what .. ? Well ....


that a “lack of opportunity for jobs” might be a significant factor in radicalization and terrorism.

.. yeah. The usual lib message ... one telling us that 'radicalized' terrorists (a form of PC-Speak suggesting a comparison between that and, ahem, 'more normal' Islam) are actually VICTIMS of CIRCUMSTANCES ... their usual bleeding heart message, in fact ...

So tell me this ... anyone. How is it that anyone schooled in 'peaceful' ways, adherent to a 'peaceful' religion over so many years, suddenly becomes the very opposite, AND, immediately (and easily) loses any moral and human 'compass' they supposedly HAD, telling them that slaughtering people IS WRONG ???

No, Kathianne. Here, you've fed us some propagandist Leftie pap. I'd like to know why .. ?

[Kathianne]

And there you have it. Religion of subjugation.

Indeed. There are reasons for reform in any religion, in Islam it needs to be on a large scale.

From the article I take away that if a family chose a mosque with a decent imam, the literal wasn't being taught, quite the contrary. ISIS and al Queda and Saudi Arabia have pushed the literal onto the the people, bringing us to the modern day brink of religious war.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Let me see if I've got this straight. Here, we have a lifelong Muslim, 'taken by surprise' at the violent nature of Islam's past, once HE looked into it ??!?

... I mean ... seriously ?

And, Marie Harf, as referred to in the text, turns out to be an advisor to John Kerry .. !! And ... saying what .. ? Well ....



.. yeah. The usual lib message ... one telling us that 'radicalized' terrorists (a form of PC-Speak suggesting a comparison between that and, ahem, 'more normal' Islam) are actually VICTIMS of CIRCUMSTANCES ... their usual bleeding heart message, in fact ...

So tell me this ... anyone. How is it that anyone schooled in 'peaceful' ways, adherent to a 'peaceful' religion over so many years, suddenly becomes the very opposite, AND, immediately (and easily) loses any moral and human 'compass' they supposedly HAD, telling them that slaughtering people IS WRONG ???

No, Kathianne. Here, you've fed us some propagandist Leftie pap. I'd like to know why .. ?

The article has truth in it my friend. It points to the fact that the Koran does command these atrocities and promises paradise for dying while killing infidels. Sure there is the usual slant about how peaceful most muslims are but the muslim speaking this would have his head cut off were he in a muslim country saying this.
Of course, there was a small slant thrown in to try to cover the majority of muslims as if they are ignorant of mohamboy's life, perversions and promotion of violence, rape, torture and savagery.
What the article fails to admit is that the majority not engaged in jihad still support those that are!!
And thats deceptive propaganda by way of omission. For had this "enlightened muslim" been wholeheartedly truthful he'd have
admitted and condemned that.. He did not, he instead --said excuse our majority for its blindness--(when its actually not a blindness, IMHO).

REMEMBER -THE KORAN IS HOLY-- ITS WORDS CAN NEVER BE JUDGED TO BE LIES, IN ERROR OR NOT ALLAH'S WILL.
Evey muslim sect Sunni, Shia, other --- will kill you for saying that if they can.-Tyr

[Drummond]

The article has truth in it my friend. It points to the fact that the Koran does command these atrocities and promises paradise for dying while killing infidels. Sure there is the usual slant about how peaceful most muslims are but the muslim speaking this would have his head cut off were he in a muslim country saying this.
Of course, there was a small slant thrown in to try to cover the majority of muslims as if they are ignorant of mohamboy's life, perversions and promotion of violence, rape, torture and savagery.-Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Well said.

I'm highly suspicious of the article, though. Read and believe all it says, and the reader comes away with the impression that present-day Muslims can be and are at heart 'decent', but can be 'radicalized' away from an otherwise 'peaceful' path, one that THEIR IMAMS preach to them !!

-- Yes, and Abu Hamza was a much-misunderstood man .... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

No credible explanation emerges at all as to how a 'peaceful' person can be utterly and completely - and easily ?? - warped from a decent, human, peaceful mindset to its utter opposite, all humanity suddenly gone without trace. AH ... BUT, WAIT .... it's 'social issues' which are responsible, eh ? It's SOCIETY'S FAULT that it can happen ... eh ?

How's that for a bog standard Leftie blame game ?? Blame not, as is only proper, the 'radicalized' one ... ah, blame society ......

Is it all GW Bush's fault, by any chance .... ???

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Well said.

I'm highly suspicious of the article, though. Read and believe all it says, and the reader comes away with the impression that present-day Muslims can be and are at heart 'decent', but can be 'radicalized' away from an otherwise 'peaceful' path, one that THEIR IMAMS preach to them !!

-- Yes, and Abu Hamza was a much-misunderstood man .... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

No credible explanation emerges at all as to how a 'peaceful' person can be utterly and completely - and easily ?? - warped from a decent, human, peaceful mindset to its utter opposite, all humanity suddenly gone without trace. AH ... BUT, WAIT .... it's 'social issues' which are responsible, eh ? It's SOCIETY'S FAULT that it can happen ... eh ?

How's that for a bog standard Leftie blame game ?? Blame not, as is only proper, the 'radicalized' one ... ah, blame society ......

Is it all GW Bush's fault, by any chance .... ???

THE MUSLIM SPEAKING COULD STILL BE BLINDED ENOUGH TO MISS THE DEEPER AND FAR MORE IMPORTANT POINTS I SPOKE OF OR ELSE HE IS PRACTICING THE TIME HONORED, KORAN COMMANDED ART OF DECEIVING INFIDELS TO FURTHER ISLAM.

THE WAY THE ARTICLE IS WRITTEN IT MAKES WAY FOR CALMING SOME OF THE ANGER COMING FROM WE INFIDELS.
And that could very well be by design!
As the author admitted a truth, but then gave an excuse(blindness) to that stark reality!--Tyr

[Drummond]

THE MUSLIM SPEAKING COULD STILL BE BLINDED ENOUGH TO MISS THE DEEPER AND FAR MORE IMPORTANT POINTS I SPOKE OF OR ELSE HE IS PRACTICING THE TIME HONORED, KORAN COMMANDED ART OF DECEIVING INFIDELS TO FURTHER ISLAM.

THE WAY THE ARTICLE IS WRITTEN IT MAKES WAY FOR CALMING SOME OF THE ANGER COMING FROM WE INFIDELS.
And that could very well be by design!
As the author admitted a truth, but then gave an excuse(blindness) to that stark reality!--Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[fj1200]

Great op-ed in USA Today, by yes, a Muslim:

They are the ones to fix it. Not us.

[Kathianne]

They are the ones to fix it. Not us.

Indeed, that was my takeaway fro, tbe reading.

[Abbey Marie]

Interestingly, the author suggests the Gospel as one alternative to "literal" Islam.

And regardless who "fixes" it, it is incumbent on us and our leaders to protect us from it in the meantime.

[Black Diamond]

Interestingly, the author suggests the Gospel as one alternative to "literal" Islam.

And regardless who "fixes" it, it is incumbent on us and our leaders to protect us from it in the meantime.

Doesn't seem to be happening

[Abbey Marie]

Doesn't seem to be happening

No, it sure doesn't.

[Kathianne]

Interestingly, the author suggests the Gospel as one alternative to "literal" Islam.

And regardless who "fixes" it, it is incumbent on us and our leaders to protect us from it in the meantime.

I'm not sure we are reading that the same. I took it to mean he was looking at alternatives to Islam, the gospels/Christianity being one suggested by friends?

[Abbey Marie]

I'm not sure we are reading that the same. I took it to mean he was looking at alternatives to Islam, the gospels/Christianity being one suggested by friends?

Yes, and one he appears to see as positive.

[Kathianne]

Yes, and one he appears to see as positive.

You don't see the gospels as a positive? I think we're still interpreting his statement differently? If all Muslims would convert to Christianity, I don't see that as a step backward.