U.S. ‘Economy Cannot Sustain’ Current Lawful Immigration Rates

[jimnyc]

Never mind illegal immigration, we can't even handle legal immigration for the long term. I posted the video at the very bottom several times which outlines the issues. Here is what came out today about Sessions.

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The economy cannot sustain the current levels of legal and illegal immigration to the U.S., Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) argues.

“This is not in the people’s interest of America at this time,” Sessions, the chairman of the Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest said Wednesday, opening a hearing on the impact of immigration levels on U.S. workers.

“Our goal should be to work every day to create policies that advance the training, and the job prospects of Americans first – lawful immigrant and native-born alike,” he said. “That is our responsibility.”

Each year, Sessions highlighted, the U.S. admits over a million permanent residents, 100,000 refugees and asylees, 700,000 guest workers, 600,000 students — many of who have been allowed to work under administrative rules — and “hundreds of thousands of” illegal immigrants (both border crossers and visa overstays).

Sessions pointed to a recent Pew Research Center that found nearly 59 million immigrants arrived in the United States since 1965, and make up a near-record percent of U.S. residents at 14 percent.

“It will surge beyond that 14 percent unless the law in the United States is changed. We’re really on an extreme, unprecedented pattern of immigration into the United States. I think it’s unlike most established countries in the world,” he said.

rest here - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/16/jeff-sessions-u-s-economy-cannot-sustain-current-lawful-immigration-rates/

And the must watch video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM1YU-Ni_84

[fj1200]

OMG! Gumballs! The only problem is the "sustainability" depends on the growth of the economy overall. Grow the economy and create opportunities.

[jimnyc]

OMG! Gumballs! The only problem is the "sustainability" depends on the growth of the economy overall. Grow the economy and create opportunities.

Will that also create room to support the growing numbers? I know you didn't watch the entire video, not that it matters, unless of course you saw it already.

But look at NYC for a smaller example. If you keep growing it and growing it, and just keep having folks moving in, you'll eventually look like some areas in Japan where there is no room, unless of course you then start growing upward and upward.

[fj1200]

Will that also create room to support the growing numbers? I know you didn't watch the entire video, not that it matters, unless of course you saw it already.

But look at NYC for a smaller example. If you keep growing it and growing it, and just keep having folks moving in, you'll eventually look like some areas in Japan where there is no room, unless of course you then start growing upward and upward.

The US has plenty of room; we're 180th in population density. And I watched enough to know that I don't need overflowing gumballs to prove or disprove my opinions.

[jimnyc]

The US has plenty of room; we're 180th in population density. And I watched enough to know that I don't need overflowing gumballs to prove or disprove my opinions.

You rock then! :rolleyes:

[Trigg]

The US has plenty of room; we're 180th in population density. And I watched enough to know that I don't need overflowing gumballs to prove or disprove my opinions.


We have a failing infrastructure, our inner city schools have an abysmal graduation rate, there are 45 MILLION people on food stamps and 52 MILLION on federal assistance.


We may have the room, but we don't have the money.


Using U.S. Census Bureau data from 2010 and 2011, the group analyzed the more than 50 million legal and illegal immigrants and their American-born children under 18 years of age. Large numbers, the limited immigration advocacy group found, are struggling in poverty, reliant on welfare and uninsured.
The study found that in 2010, 36 percent of immigrant-headed households receive benefits from at least one welfare program, compared to just 23 percent of households headed by U.S. natives. Among households with children, immigrant welfare households outnumbered non-immigrants by a similarly wide margin: 57 percent to 40 percent.
Welfare enrollment was highest for households headed by immigrants originating in Mexico, with 57 percent participation. Guatemalan immigrants were second, with 55 percent; those from the Dominican Republic were third, with 54 percent participation.





Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/09/census-data-high-immigrant-participation-on-welfare-rolls/#ixzz435pT1oXr




http://frac.org/reports-and-resources/snapfood-stamp-monthly-participation-data/

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html

[Perianne]

OMG! Gumballs! The only problem is the "sustainability" depends on the growth of the economy overall. Grow the economy and create opportunities.


The US has plenty of room; we're 180th in population density. And I watched enough to know that I don't need overflowing gumballs to prove or disprove my opinions.

I don't think that even you believe all the crap you spew.

Immigration is the USA's most serious problem. You have admitted I am most conservative on here, so learn from me if you want to learn about conservatism.

Duh.

[fj1200]

We have a failing infrastructure, our inner city schools have an abysmal graduation rate, there are 45 MILLION people on food stamps and 52 MILLION on federal assistance.

We may have the room, but we don't have the money.

And all of that hinges on economic growth, not immigration levels alone.

[fj1200]

I don't think that even you believe all the crap you spew.

Immigration is the USA's most serious problem. You have admitted I am most conservative on here, so learn from me if you want to learn about conservatism.

Duh.

Coming from you that means surprisingly little to me. :) I've only admitted that you think you're the most conservative person here; your definition is suspect considering how little you know about the actual subject. Besides, I've only acknowledged truth. Immigration is not the most serious problem, that we have a crappy economy and presidents and candidates who seemingly care little about the Constitution is our most serious problem.

Or you could point out how "grow the economy and create opportunities" is "crap." :)

[Trigg]

And all of that hinges on economic growth, not immigration levels alone.

But unchecked immigration legal or otherwise doesn't help matters.

Illegal immigration doesn't help the economy at all. It is only a drain on resources including healthcare and schools. Illegals can't get benefits, but our hospitals have to care for them and our schools have to admit their children.

This isn't simply a matter of space. This country needs to look out for itself and take care of the citizens that are already here.

[Drummond]

No country on this planet can sustain immigration into it indefinitely. It's not just a matter of room, it's also affordability, and building the infrastructure to cope with them all ... since, even if you'd argue that they were all destined to be productive citizens, at the beginning, they would NOT be.

And that's just the legal ones - the illegals are a different matter entirely.

Apply a Socialist, 'State-run' solution, and large numbers would be destined to be permanent drains on your economy.

But all of this should be blindingly obvious to even the Lefties here (?) ...

[Drummond]

I don't think that even you believe all the crap you spew.

Immigration is the USA's most serious problem. You have admitted I am most conservative on here, so learn from me if you want to learn about conservatism.

Duh.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[jimnyc]

Illegal immigration doesn't help the economy at all. It is only a drain on resources including healthcare and schools..

Some will tell you that all that matters is that they perform jobs that Americans would never do. Which is BS of course. But to many, that's all they see, is folks picking veggies, and think that's all that matters. At least FJ understands the complexity of the entire illegal/legal immigration thing. A lot of clueless out there though!!

[fj1200]

But unchecked immigration legal or otherwise doesn't help matters.

Illegal immigration doesn't help the economy at all. It is only a drain on resources including healthcare and schools. Illegals can't get benefits, but our hospitals have to care for them and our schools have to admit their children.

This isn't simply a matter of space. This country needs to look out for itself and take care of the citizens that are already here.

And nobody is talking about unchecked immigration, legal or otherwise. Even amnesty is theoretically "checked" though likely not in practice. Almost everyone wants the border secured but I just object to the blame game of it's all the illegals fault and how dare they seek a better life. My argument is that immigrants are not our problem, our problem is that we have awful growth policies, and have for years, while the rest of the world has become more competitive. Our problem is we've been sitting still.

I don't really disagree with you on taking care of our citizens first.

[fj1200]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

:facepalm99:

[fj1200]

Some will tell you that all that matters is that they perform jobs that Americans would never do. Which is BS of course. But to many, that's all they see, is folks picking veggies, and think that's all that matters. At least FJ understands the complexity of the entire illegal/legal immigration thing. A lot of clueless out there though!!

Thanks... I think... :poke:

As usual the powers-that-be in DC have completely undercut the lower classes, this time by flooding the low-wage market with entrants which holds down wage gains.

[Gunny]

And nobody is talking about unchecked immigration, legal or otherwise. Even amnesty is theoretically "checked" though likely not in practice. Almost everyone wants the border secured but I just object to the blame game of it's all the illegals fault and how dare they seek a better life. My argument is that immigrants are not our problem, our problem is that we have awful growth policies, and have for years, while the rest of the world has become more competitive. Our problem is we've been sitting still.

I don't really disagree with you on taking care of our citizens first.

Here's my response to THAT: They DON'T seek a better life. They bring their filthy habits with them. That's NOT racist, it's fact. If you want a better life, leave your cockroach mentality where you came from. Otherwise, I don't want to hear it.

And I'm from the SW. I've watched this crap all my life. And ironically, guess who can't stand them the most? Tejanos. They can get away with calling them wetbacks.

They have crippled our social infrastructure. You can't deny them this or that. Why not? You can deny me. F*ck, I'm white. I don't deserve sh*t. Never mind I grew up as poor as any of them. My skin color ain't right.

[jimnyc]

Thanks... I think... :poke:

As usual the powers-that-be in DC have completely undercut the lower classes, this time by flooding the low-wage market with entrants which holds down wage gains.

Yes, that was a compliment, dick. I think not everyone has a full grasp and how complex the issues are, both legal and illegal. And I'm far from an expert, I'm down at the bottom, but I see you as having a lot of knowledge and a good grasp on things. Doesn't mean I always agree on things going forward, just acknowledgment is all. Like I said, others seem to think 'just ignore it' more or less, that they aren't much of a problem (illegals) and that they are actually an asset, working wise.

[fj1200]

Here's my response to THAT: They DON'T seek a better life. They bring their filthy habits with them. That's NOT racist, it's fact. If you want a better life, leave your cockroach mentality where you came from. Otherwise, I don't want to hear it.

I'm pretty sure that they do. But that's a separate issue; their quality of life isn't our primary concern.

[fj1200]

Yes, that was a compliment, dick.

:laugh:

[jimnyc]

I'm pretty sure that they do. But that's a separate issue; their quality of life isn't our primary concern.

And Fwiw, a lot that seek a better life, seek that for Mexico, or family still in Mexico. Some send the money they saved by not paying taxes. Some just send money. Some save and then return. Point is, not everyone comes here thinking America is great and they'll have this fantastic and rosy and better life. Many simply see dollar signs that they can't get in the shitholes down in Mexico. I'm not even sure that their quality of life is their primary concern. If so, one would think they wouldn't want to live in shared houses and other crappy places, as a result of not being legal. Their quality of life in America would be so so much better if they did things the right and legal way.

[Gunny]

I'm pretty sure that they do. But that's a separate issue; their quality of life isn't our primary concern.

Doesn't that depend on who you are listening to? last I heard from the left, they're all here for a better life.

[fj1200]

And Fwiw, a lot that seek a better life, seek that for Mexico, or family still in Mexico. Some send the money they saved by not paying taxes. Some just send money. Some save and then return. Point is, not everyone comes here thinking America is great and they'll have this fantastic and rosy and better life. Many simply see dollar signs that they can't get in the shitholes down in Mexico. I'm not even sure that their quality of life is their primary concern. If so, one would think they wouldn't want to live in shared houses and other crappy places, as a result of not being legal. Their quality of life in America would be so so much better if they did things the right and legal way.

Different people define a better life differently. Our problems are of our making, not the illegals making.


Doesn't that depend on who you are listening to? last I heard from the left, they're all here for a better life.

I don't know what their opinion is on the subject.