Video: Ted Cruz: Donald Trump is Responsible for Chicago Chaos!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmxBp4IFe_I

[Bilgerat]

I see that everyone blames Donald.

Absolutely NO blame is laid at the feet of the thugs who came to the rally to disrupt or even to attack Trump (if possible)

Or Move-on.org

Or Bill Ayers

So you'll forgive me if I don't see things the way that you or the lame-stream lapdog media would like.

Especially Teddy, who would like to turn this to his advantage.

[namvet]

http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/CdUb2arWEAALk_y.jpg

looks like ole Bern is desperate. he's raiding nursing homes for thugs. she's kinda old for this shit. wonder how much she and the other goons got paid. her name is Portia Boulger, a plant from the Bernie Sanders camp.

[aboutime]

I see that everyone blames Donald.

Absolutely NO blame is laid at the feet of the thugs who came to the rally to disrupt or even to attack Trump (if possible)

Or Move-on.org

Or Bill Ayers

So you'll forgive me if I don't see things the way that you or the lame-stream lapdog media would like.

Especially Teddy, who would like to turn this to his advantage.


Who else do we all know who....HAS, DOES, AND IS BLAMING everyone else for everything????

Would you believe......
http://icansayit.com/images/obamafinger.jpg

[Noir]

her name is Portia Boulger, a plant from the Bernie Sanders camp.

Its worth saying that this is not true, that is not Portia Boulger.

[jimnyc]

Its worth saying that this is not true, that is not Portia Boulger.

That is correct, I found this:


“I am the man on the left, and she openly Hailed Hitler. And held the stance gladly,” tweeted Garza in response to questions regarding the photo. The woman was later identified as Birgitt Peterson of Yorkville.

It was also followed by:


Twitter swiftly spread a rumor that Peterson was a supporter of Bernie Sanders by the name of Portia Boulger. Although the women slightly look similar, Boulger said she was nowhere near the rally via a Facebook post and followed it with a tweet this morning.

http://hiphopwired.com/2016/03/12/chicago-donald-trump-rally-woman-nazi-salute/

[Kathianne]

Rather than repeating my own opinion again:

http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/12/the-main-casualty-of-cancelled-trump-ral


The Main Casualty of Canceled Trump Rally Is The *Idea* of Free Speech (http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/12/the-main-casualty-of-cancelled-trump-ral)The GOP frontrunner needs to change his tune and so do "#shutitdown" protesters.Nick Gillespie (http://reason.com/people/nick-gillespie/all)|<time datetime="2016-03-12T17:27:00+00:00" style="font-family: Helvetica, helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 1.5em; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 13.6px; color: rgb(85, 82, 143);">Mar. 12, 2016 12:27 pm
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Public debate, it seems, is no longer a means by which to search for truth, knowledge, and common ground, but only a venue for speech that expresses unthinking solidarity with whatever you already believe.


Trump and his campaign should categorically disown violence among the candidate's followers. And anti-Trumpers need to learn the difference between protesting and eradicating speech in the public square.


In a society that is built upon free speech and free assembly—and in which individuals and groups have never had such abilities to voice their viewpoints—appealing to the worst instincts in people can only end badly. And with even more people evacuating politics as a meaningful avenue for building anything other than greater and greater resentment.



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[jimnyc]

And I still don't blame Trump, not at all in this. Yes, he is arrogant and says dumb things - but folks have personal responsibility of their own.

If Soros, moveon, Black Lives Matters... They have taken credit. The purposely instigated trouble and violence. And then the other candidates jump on it claiming it's Trump's fault. Sorry, he had nothing whatsoever with the lefties plans. Chicago is 100% on those who planned it. And at the other events, those lifting their hands to others are 100% responsible for their actions.

I'd like to do things based on what the black lives matter folks have to say, as well as the new black panther party - but I would be 100% responsible for my own actions if I went out of my way to go somewhere and start trouble or raise my hands to someone.

[Drummond]

Rather than repeating my own opinion again:

http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/12/the-main-casualty-of-cancelled-trump-ral


Public debate, it seems, is no longer a means by which to search for truth, knowledge, and common ground, but only a venue for speech that expresses unthinking solidarity with whatever you already believe.

So, only venues where you get people offering contention to the speakers in it (potential, or actual), are valid venues ? Offering public support to people you already agree with, and will continue to agree with, is a big 'no-no' .. ??

I know you don't like Trump .... but you seriously think he doesn't even have the right to attend, speak at, rallies where his supporters want to unstintingly give that support .. ?

[Kathianne]

In the same vein:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/


SJWs Will Elect TrumpBy ROD DREHER (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/author/rod-dreher) • March 12, 2016, 1:38 AM (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/)

(Opens with a series of bits on the various rallies, the attempts to shut them down. Trump rhetoric.)


...

Yesterday I wrote denouncing the air of thuggery around Trump rallies (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-thuggery/), in particular the old coot in Fayetteville who punched an anti-Trump demonstrator. I stand by that opinion. We cannot have a democracy if people are going to get physically assaulted at a political demonstration. That loudmouth protester was in the process of being removed from the building when that jerk old man sucker-punched him. He was arrested, the old man, and charged. I hope he pays a legal price for that behavior. We cannot have that.


Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. People who support Trump drove hours to hear him talk, and they were denied their constitutional rights by left-wing hotheads who believe that they are so righteous that they don’t have to observe basic civility. You come to a Trump rally and you start flipping people off? You should not be surprised if you get a sock in the face.


What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech, even an obnoxious speech, without it being interrupted by demonstrators. All of us do. Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.

...


For me, it’s all about the mob. I despise the mob. Any mob, which I define as a crowd that acts in force to silence people by intimidation or actual violence. We have seen over the past few months how left-wing mobs on college campuses have gotten away with outrageous things, because men and women in authority on those campuses lacked the guts to stand up for the liberal civic order. This is why I cannot support Black Lives Matter, even though I support its goal of bringing critical attention to police brutality: because they believe that their cause is so righteous that they have the right to stomp over anybody who doesn’t share their vision.


Don’t y’all understand that people like you only feed the Trump beast?


Unlike the liberal New York Daily News — and, no doubt, the rest of the mainstream media — I do not blame Donald Trump for this tonight. I blame the left. You want to protest against Trump? Great — that’s your right as an American. But you do so silently and peaceably. You let the man speak. It’s his right as an American, and it’s the right of the people in the audience to hear his message, however offensive it may be to you, and make up their mind about it.


This has gone too far. When an American presidential candidate has to cancel his rally in a major city because protesters have made it too dangerous, we have a serious problem in this country. It’s infuriating. This is not America. Those disruptive protesters need to be made to understand that this is not how America works.


Keep at it, Black Lives Matter and fellow travelers. You are going to get Trump elected.
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No, I'm not going to jump on the Trump train, but I do see that it isn't only Trump. The left has always had the 'mobs' and now they've added snowflakes that will try to drive the narrative.

[jimnyc]

In the same vein:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/social-justice-warriors-will-elect-trump/



No, I'm not going to jump on the Trump train, but I do see that it isn't only Trump. The left has always had the 'mobs' and now they've added snowflakes that will try to drive the narrative.

Trump is not perfect by any stretch. I'm confident folks from all walks of life can find things to hate on him about. I'm confident the lefties running for office can find plenty of verbal things to spar about over the summer.

But using powerful folks to get groups together, to create violence and instability, to prevent the other side from having a chance to speak? And then to threaten to do much more going forward? That's not politics, and I hope it changes. All candidates should be welcome to speak and welcome to try and gather as many people together to hear them speak. The people should be able to listen as long and as to as many candidates as they wish. Then let the people make a decision. But some on the left want to destroy that process. They don't want it to be a typical election where people can speak for the nation via the ballot box.

I would NEVER NEVER hold an event at a college campus if me, especially knowing that so many of them are nests for creating entitled liberals.

[Kathianne]

Trump is not perfect by any stretch. I'm confident folks from all walks of life can find things to hate on him about. I'm confident the lefties running for office can find plenty of verbal things to spar about over the summer.

But using powerful folks to get groups together, to create violence and instability, to prevent the other side from having a chance to speak? And then to threaten to do much more going forward? That's not politics, and I hope it changes. All candidates should be welcome to speak and welcome to try and gather as many people together to hear them speak. The people should be able to listen as long and as to as many candidates as they wish. Then let the people make a decision. But some on the left want to destroy that process. They don't want it to be a typical election where people can speak for the nation via the ballot box.

I would NEVER NEVER hold an event at a college campus if me, especially knowing that so many of them are nests for creating entitled liberals.

As I said upon returning home from work to see the Chicago rally cancelled, I had a foreboding when I saw Trump was heading to Chicago. It wouldn't matter if the venue was UIC or United Center. Here's an account that seems very likely accurate:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-rally-chicago#

Bottom line is that Chicago's main downtown area is very navigable-if traffic is taken into account. UIC is literally on the ramp off the Eisenhower, main western entry into downtown proper. It's about 1 mile from Sear's
Tower, never called, 'Trump Tower.'

There are near daily protests against Emanuel and any number of things. Both Michigan Ave and LSD are regularly shut down due to protesters, opened up just as quickly. Chicago cops are very used to demonstration duties.

That the media would be covering this only added fuel to the protesters.

It's to be noted that it's very easy for folks to leave work and join the protests during lunch hour or when they can. The fact is that one could watch the crowds grow as 4-5 hit. It was 'something to do' after work-many probably left and hit River North or Division St.

[Kathianne]

Related but slightly off-topic. Thought I'd look a bit to see if I could find something about Chicago and organized protests. Sure enough. Even today the history texts include both The Haymarket Riots and Pullman walkouts about the 'reform era.' The history is long, social media just has made it faster to organize. There's reasons that Alinsky was from Chicago:

http://chicagostories.org/protest/


A Brief History of Protest in Chicago
By Don Rose
If world history is often told as a history of wars, much of Chicago history can be told as a history of protests – labor, civil rights, anti-war and other campaigns against injustice.


In a sense the city was born in bloody protest: the 1812 Fort Dearborn Massacre, when Native Americans rose up and attacked soldiers departing from a fort built on land that was incorporated as the City of Chicago 25 years later. A star on the Chicago flag commemorates the uprising.
But most of the city’s best-remembered protests turned violent only after police attacked protestors. To be sure, there were protests clearly the reverse of fighting injustice, with violence aimed at racial and ethnic minorities, typically for transgressing residential or other “boundaries.” The 1919 race riots, in which 38 were killed, and mob attacks after World War II fall into that deplorable category.
Most of the world outside the USA celebrates May Day as the international labor holiday because on that date in 1886, tends of thousands of workers walked out of their jobs to demand an eight-hour day. Three days later, after police killed two strikers at the McCormick Reaper works, a massive protest rally was called at the Haymarket, near Randolph on Desplaines Street.


Haymarket


Though police were ordered by Mayor Carter Harrison to permit the peaceful protest, some 175 officers waded in to break up the rally. As they advanced, a bomb was thrown, killing one officer, and the police opened fire, shooting wildly, slaughtering and wounding countless numbers of workers. Eight policemen also died. Later eight anarchist leaders, none ever linked to the bombing, were tried for conspiracy; five were ultimately sentenced to death – the May Day Martyrs.


Exactly eight years after Haymarket came another epic labor protest – a walkout by workers of the Pullman Palace Car Company, spurred by a cut in wages. A sympathetic boycott led to a nationwide railroad strike, which was broken by federal troops in a violent conflict that saw extensive property destruction and the killing of a number of strikers.In 1889, Jane Addams, who was really the first community organizer, co-founded Hull House on the Near West Side, which became the country’s best-known settlement house. From its base, she organized and led countless protests for the betterment of immigrants, labor, the unemployed, for political reform, education, women’s suffrage and against our entry into World War I. One of her best-known protests was a 1915 march on City Hall by some 1,500 jobless and hungry people demanding relief.


The Depression years saw numerous labor actions here, most notably the Memorial Day massacre of 1937, when police fired on peaceful picketers at Republic Steel, killing 10 and wounding 90, in one of the most violent episodes in our labor history.


The Sixties
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[Kathianne]

One more, probably the last.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/362113.php


March 12, 2016The Fact That Trump is Provocative Does Not Excuse Left-Wing Crybullies Rioting in the Streets
Glenn Reynolds is right. (http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/228960/)


So is Jazz Shaw. (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/12/conservatives-align-with-black-lives-matter-in-rush-to-find-blame-for-chicago-protests/)


All the other candidates made a linkage between Trump's "dangerous rhetoric" and these riots. That is a deep error of principle -- you do not make apologies for riotous censors -- and a huge political mistake. One should never align oneself with an ugly mob of one's enemies.


If it looks like there's political advantage to be gained from it -- look again. You're wrong.


The time to speak out against Trump's "beat 'em up for me" rhetoric at rallies was at the debate, when it was asked about. It is wrong to link that to the Mob's Veto now. If you feel chagrined you didn't speak up when you should have, (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/12/shaken-rubio-on-trumps-rhetoric-this-country-is-coming-apart-at-the-seams/) that's kind of too bad.
At least avoid linking your criticism of Trump (which is perfectly fine, standing on its own) to a justification for the left's angry, violent censors.


Cruz did this too (as did Kasich), but I'm not sure either was as forceful in making the case that "leaders cannot just say whatever they want" claim that Rubio did.


If I were Cruz, I'd actually say "I was wrong to conflate the two things. Trump's roughhouse incitement is wrong, and the left's most recent riot is wrong, but it's also wrong to draw a line between them and by doing so justify the latter."
I think it might help. I think it would show a strength of character that Trump lacks, and a confidence in one's thinking, to say "I erred."


Update: Carl Cameron says that Cruz is "taking a different tack" from Rubio and Kasich, noting that the BLM and OWS protesters coming to Trump rallies are coming there looking for a fight. Commneters have also pointed out that he repeatedly defends Trump's right to hold a rally free of intimidation and riots.

Something the Perfect Trumpian Man, The Ultimate Male, (http://rocky.wikia.com/wiki/Thunderlips) cannot say.


I can't believe that Rubio is taking the "you can't just say whatever you want" position. That is exactly what is driving this. People are sick of being told they cannot speak freely at any moment in their lives.


I am very opposed to Trump and I fear this new Social Justice Warrior convulsion, plus Trump being the victim of it, plus his rivals kinda-sorta making excuses for the SJWs, will wind up delivering Trump five victories on Super Tuesday II.


It's worse than a crime, it's a mistake. (As they say.)


Incidentally, though this won't matter because facts just don't matter, Trump is himself a PC Goon. He piled on Pamela Geller when she staged her draw Mohammad event. Hours after an Islamist shot at her conference (and wounded a cop, IIRC), Trump fired his own shots:


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_bigger.jpgDonald J. TrumpVerified account‏@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

The U.S. has enough problems without publicity seekers going out and openly mocking religion in order to provoke attacks and death. BE SMART




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6:55 PM - 4 May 2015

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[namvet]

Its worth saying that this is not true, that is not Portia Boulger.

that was per the Trump people

[Drummond]

There should be no such thing as a 'no-go' area anywhere in America. Whether inferred, or announced as such. Any manifestation of one is surely an insult to all America stands for ??

No question of 'foreboding' should have been relevant to any intention of Trump to go wherever he damn well pleased !

[Noir]

that was per the Trump people

Exactly, people like Donald Trump Jr should be doing better than spreading this kind of misinformation.

[jimnyc]

Exactly, people like Donald Trump Jr should be doing better than spreading this kind of misinformation.

Other than Namvet, who can link himself - can you show something that shows Trump had anything to do with this? What I posted earlier:


Twitter swiftly spread a rumor that Peterson was a supporter of Bernie Sanders by the name of Portia Boulger. Although the women slightly look similar, Boulger said she was nowhere near the rally via a Facebook post and followed it with a tweet this morning.

I don't see it on Trump's twitter, nor his Facebook, although I do see a ton going around at both places, just nothing to do with him.

[jimnyc]

Ahhh, I see now, it was his son, who fell for the rumors and tweeted about the woman. Yes, he shouldn't be getting news from twitter, agreed. But with SO many lefties involved in trying to sabotage his events, I can see how the rumor might have appeared true and staged to him. Hopefully he learned and will find better sources. :)

[pete311]

Pretty sure one video I saw a white guy knocking out a black guy first and the black guy gets arrested. You guys are hypocrites. Trump is now race baiting more than Obama ever did.

[aboutime]

Pretty sure one video I saw a white guy knocking out a black guy first and the black guy gets arrested. You guys are hypocrites. Trump is now race baiting more than Obama ever did.


Sure thing pete. Just like YOU DIDN'T SEE that black dude in Philadelphia, walk up to a cop in his car, and shoot him while yelling ALLAH SNACKBAR???

[pete311]

Sure thing pete. Just like YOU DIDN'T SEE that black dude in Philadelphia, walk up to a cop in his car, and shoot him while yelling ALLAH SNACKBAR???
And that is relevant how?

[jimnyc]

Pretty sure one video I saw a white guy knocking out a black guy first and the black guy gets arrested. You guys are hypocrites. Trump is now race baiting more than Obama ever did.

He didn't knock him out. The black guy was NOT arrested, he was removed from the arena. The guy who hit him WAS in fact arrested.

[aboutime]

He didn't knock him out. The black guy was NOT arrested, he was removed from the arena. The guy who hit him WAS in fact arrested.



Jim. As all of us can see, after being reminded so well. Some liberals can't even LIE honestly.

Thanks for making that clear pete!:laugh:

[darin]

Just lost a shit-ton of respect for Cruz.

[jimnyc]

Just lost a shit-ton of respect for Cruz.

As have others.

I still like him, always have. But I believe these guys are on the wrong side in trying to blame Trump, and it's being noticed.

[namvet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmxBp4IFe_I

wrong tailspin

[namvet]

the liberal flatliner speaks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ZCEKq-PWs&feature=youtu.be

[namvet]

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[namvet]

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