Lavoy Finnicum Was Shot 9 Times by The FBI

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMLXDjrijh4&feature=youtu.be

Lavoy Finnicum autopsy reveals he was shot 9 times by the FBI & they may have planted a stolen firearm on him according to the serial number on the gun.

[NightTrain]

Infowars immediately turns me off... they're pretty nutty when it comes to conspiracy theories.

I didn't really investigate into this newest Bundy vs. Feds incident.... it appeared that Bundy & crew interjected themselves into that scenario without the support of the guys that were having the issue in the first place. Kind of looked like a PR stunt to advance their cause.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Feds overreach bigtime. But this was looking for trouble... and when you take on the mantle of Caped Crusader there's going to be fireworks, especially after the Feds got their noses rubbed in their shenanigans a couple years ago. They haven't forgotten.

Lavoy made statements to the news saying he wasn't going to be taken alive and that he'd rather be dead than get arrested. He got his wish, and that's a tragedy. He's got 11 kids at home.

[danielle]

Is this the people who occupied public land in Oregon? Why did the FBI allow them to stay there so long? I read about this and felt they were all terrorists. Perhaps there is more to this story than I know about.

[indago]

Lavoy Finnicum Was Shot 9 Times by The FBI

So, what is a federal investigative agency doing out shooting people in the first place?

[revelarts]

Some background on why they went out there


The armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters building by some of Cliven Bundy’s relatives and
some unspecified “militia members” is getting a lot of press, most of it extremely negative. The occupation is part of a
protest of the five year jail terms, to be started tomorrow, of Dwight Hammond, Jr and Steven Hammond on the charge of
arson, with a terrorism enhancement. However, the MSM is not telling the whole story, which is quite different than the
way they are portraying it. The following is a short version of a very l-o-n-g story.

Back in 1964 the Hammonds purchased a ranch in Oregon’s Harney Basin,comprising about 6000 acres of privately owned
property adjacent to the Malheur refuge. Included in that purchase were a ranch house, rights to three sources of
water, and four rights to graze cattle on public lands.

By the 1970’s BLM was doing a major expansion of the Malheur refuge, having bought out many of the surrounding
ranches, with the refuge eventually surrounding the Hammond’s property. BLM tried many times to buy out the
Hammonds but they refused, as did several other ranch owners. In an effort to get those lands BLM tried another
tactic; they determined that “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”. Accordingly approximately
two-thirds of the grazing permits were revoked, forcing a number of ranchers to leave. Permit fees were raised
exorbitantly for those still unwilling to sell, and an irrigation system built by the ranchers was confiscated, for lack of a
better word, by BLM.

When these tactics failed to force the Hammonds to sell other, less savory methods began. Water sources legally owned by
the Hammonds were fenced off, access to a part of their property was denied (they had to cross refuge land to reach
it). Then the fire problems started.

In 2001 Steve Hammond started a prescribed burn on their property*. It spread to public land where burned 127 acres
and was extinguished by the Hammonds; no federal agency contacted the Hammonds regarding this burn, even though it
was common knowledge in the community. Then in 2006 lightening ignited several fires that merged and in an effort to
save their winter range and ranch house Steve Hammond started a backfire. That backfire not only saved their range
and home, it put out the lightening generated fire that had already burned several thousand acres.

In response to this good work, BLM went to the local sheriff’s office the next day to file criminal charges against Steve for
starting the backfire, calling it arson! The county DA reviewed the evidence and charges, determined they were
unwarranted, and dropped all charges. However, in 2011 these incidents were dredged up again and the charge
changed to Terrorism against both Dwight and Steven Hammond and, in June 2012, they were convicted. Even
though the terrorism law prescribed a minimum sentence of five years the judge cited the Eighth Amendment and gave
Dwight three months and Steven twelve. They began serving their sentences January 4, 2013. Dwight was released in
March 2013 and Steven in January 2014.

All of this was a serious miscarriage of justice, but at least everyone thought it had ended, but that was not to be. In
June 2014 the BLM Field Manager and the Manager of the Malheur Refuge, exemplifying the vindictiveness of the BLM in
all this – I am tempted to say the vendetta – appealed to the Ninth District Federal Court to have the Hammonds returned
to prison to serve the entire five years; astoundingly, that court concurred and “re-sentenced” both to several more
years in prison. Further, they were forced to give BLM the right of first refusal; if they ever sell the ranch, they will have
to sell it to BLM!

The Hammonds will report to prison on Monday, January 4 2015. To make things even worse they still have half of a
$400,000 debt to the BLM that must be paid immediately; if they cannot pay, as seems probable, they will face additional
prosecution … or finally be forced to sell the ranch.

And so, we have people breaking the law by occupying the Malheur Headquarters building to protest the way the BLM
has harassed and persecuted a family trying to live their lives
as they wish, in full accordance with the law. Whether or not their decision as to how to carry out that protest is wise or
not, and I believe it is not, their motives for doing so have to be respected.


*Prescribed burns have been used for centuries. By safely reducing excessive amounts of brush, shrubs, and trees,
encouraging the new growth of native vegetation, and maintaining the many plant and animal species whose
habitats depend on periodic fire, prescribed burning helps reduce the catastrophic damage of wildfire on our lands and
surrounding communities.

[revelarts]

See, here's something to note, the gov't's been doing this crap forever. Fed state and local gov'ts have been doing dirty "eminent domain" type deals forever. the 2005 KELO vs London SOCTUS case made it even worse because now even a private land developer ...be it Donald Trump or Lee Fong... can claim it will "benefit" the area MORE than your stuff.

They've done it to poor people in the cities who want to stay in homes but the city has targeted for "renovation". They've done it to farmers and small biz owners in other areas for casinos. It's been done to churches, and homes for golf courses by bribes, fining, declaring modest homes "blighted", arresting, defaming, pressure, hook and crook.

As bad as what's happening to them seems to be, they'll get little sympathy from many unless the story comes out and they fight this legally and in the court of public opinion. MOST of times it's BETTER to go to jail to SHOW the corruption of the system rather than "take a stand" and shoot it out with the guberment. Didn't work out so well at WACO or Ruby Ridge.

this type of FLASE arrest and long term harassment is similar to the type of gov't and police abuse many in Black Lives Matters are protesting. Yes... all lives matter... that's the point. the gov't doesn't get to pick and choose who it's going to protect and who it's going to harass and declare "thug and terrorist" for little or no reasons.

I'm thinking in this case the long term harassment and trying to run off the lands may just be a part of Agenda 21.
https://americanpolicy.org/agenda21/
http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/index.html

[revelarts]

More History

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...y-persecution/ (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/)

[Gunny]

Is this the people who occupied public land in Oregon? Why did the FBI allow them to stay there so long? I read about this and felt they were all terrorists. Perhaps there is more to this story than I know about.

What country do YOU come from?

We fought and bled over this country and in case you haven't noticed, your government is on its last leg.

[indago]

Some background on why they went out there

OVERVIEW (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?53399-Land-Management&p=795014#post795014)