TRUMP: If I'm president, 'Christianity will have power' in the US

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-im-president-christianity-power-195834887.html

TRUMP: If I'm president, 'Christianity will have power' in the US
Business Insider By Colin Campbell
January 23, 2016 2:58 PM


Billionaire businessman Donald Trump suggested on Saturday that he would have had "less difficulty" if he had proposed barring Christians from entering the US instead of Muslims.
Last December, the Republican presidential front-runner ignited a national firestorm by proposing to suspend all Muslim immigration and tourist travel into the US.

"If I said that about Christians, and if I said 'banned,' I'm telling you I would have had less difficulty," Trump said Saturday. "And that's pretty sad, because we're Christians. I'm Protestant. I'm Presbyterian."

Some of Trump's critics have questioned the sincerity of his faith, noting that the real-estate mogul recently said he doesn't like to ask God for forgiveness.

But Trump unequivocally embraced the evangelical Christian community throughout the start of his Saturday speech in Sioux Center, Iowa.

"I'm a true believer. And you're many true believers — I hope all — is everybody a true believer in this room? I think so. But Christianity is under tremendous siege," Trump told supporters at Dordt College, a Christian liberal-arts school.

The real-estate mogul lamented that Christians do not wield as much political influence in the US as they could.

"The power of our group of people together, I mean, if you add it up ... it could be 240, 250 million. And yet we don't exert the power that we should have. Now, I think some of the churches are afraid of their tax status, to be honest," he said.

"But you know the fact is that there is nothing the politicians can do to you if you band together. You have too much power. But the Christians don't use their power," Trump said. "We have to strengthen. Because we are getting — if you look, it's death by a million cuts — we are getting less and less and less powerful in terms of a religion, and in terms of a force," he continued.

Trump then complained that big department stores do not say "merry Christmas" during the holidays.

"When they don't want to say 'merry Christmas' in department stores anymore. I won't shop at places that don't say 'merry Christmas.' Guess what? I don't too much shopping," he said to applause. "No, no, it's true. When I see these stores, and they have a red wall and they have nothing on it. They don't want to say 'merry Christmas' anymore. I say, 'Why don't you say merry Christmas?'"

Trump vowed to change the department-store situation when it comes to wishing people "merry Christmas."

"I'll tell you one thing: I get elected president, we're going to be saying 'merry Christmas' again. Just remember that," he said. "And by the way, Christianity will have power, without having to form."

He added: "Because if I'm there, you're going to have plenty of power. You don't need anybody else. You're going to have somebody representing you very, very well. Remember that."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The man means what he says. His anti-muslim stand alone should get him the win IMHO.
HIM OR CRUZ OR EVEN BETTER HIM AND CRUZ, WOULD BE TOTALLY UNSTOPPABLE. :dance:


WHAT FINE MAN AND GREAT AND TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT. --Tyr

[fj1200]

Establishment Clause?

[jimnyc]

Establishment Clause?

I see where he was speaking about Christianity as a whole, and how they can be much more powerful. But I don't see where he said anything about congress or doing anything that would interfere? Him just being LOUD as he is, and perhaps pushing things, for example: to have Merry Christmas back again much more - that's not an issue. Hell, I don't even see the word "congress" in that article at all.

[fj1200]

I see where he was speaking about Christianity as a whole, and how they can be much more powerful. But I don't see where he said anything about congress or doing anything that would interfere? Him just being LOUD as he is, and perhaps pushing things, for example: to have Merry Christmas back again much more - that's not an issue. Hell, I don't even see the word "congress" in that article at all.

Then how does Christianity "have power"? How can he create such an environment?

[jimnyc]

Then how does Christianity "have power"? How can he create such an environment?

The president speaking up exactly like he did in that article speaking to Christians, and the large numbers responding as a result. Power in numbers. Extremely easy.

[LongTermGuy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The man means what he says. His anti-muslim stand alone should get him the win IMHO.
HIM OR CRUZ OR EVEN BETTER HIM AND CRUZ, WOULD BE TOTALLY UNSTOPPABLE. :dance:


WHAT FINE MAN AND GREAT AND TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT. --Tyr



Amen! Brotha Tyr!

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[fj1200]

The president speaking up exactly like he did in that article speaking to Christians, and the large numbers responding as a result. Power in numbers. Extremely easy.

OK. Bully Pulpit type stuff.

[jimnyc]

OK. Bully Pulpit type stuff.

Considering I don't see where he mentioned any type of overreach, I can only assume so.

Besides, again, as far as the establishment clause, congress would be involved to create some sort of overreach. We all know that there is nothing being done with "religion" in congress. This is another non-story. The man will talk large and proud about bringing Christianity and Christmas back, and that's all it will be. And hopefully he won't be PC and he'll do just that if in office, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[revelarts]

this is just weird rhetoric, It's not even bully pulpit stuff.

this is pandering or feels like it. and thin pandering at that.

"...we're going to say Merry christmas if i'm elected..."!?
that's the bone he's tossing christians?
seriously?

[Black Diamond]

this is just weird rhetoric, It's not even bully pulpit stuff.

this is pandering or feels like it. and thin pandering at that.

"...we're going to say Merry christmas if i'm elected..."!?
that's the bone he's tossing christians?
seriously?
Agreed. But it's working.

[jimnyc]

this is just weird rhetoric, It's not even bully pulpit stuff.

this is pandering or feels like it. and thin pandering at that.

"...we're going to say Merry christmas if i'm elected..."!?
that's the bone he's tossing christians?
seriously?

That's what I believe. He's reaching out to the Christians and appealing to their emotions, based on how the "Christmas" word and other things have been pushed back a little, as if it was a bad word. I see him speaking to those folks, loudly, and telling them that it stops if he gets in office, no more PC crap.

But it's just that, words. I mean, what is he going to do, use an executive order declaring us a Christian nation, or force places to use merry christmas instead of happy holidays?

But if he continues his words, and stands behind it going forward, and would continue such talk while in office - it would be HUGE compared to what we have now, which is PC running crazy, people almost afraid to say Merry Christmas as they may make someone else feel uncomfortable. I believe we need someone that will stand up for Christianity, and not try and hide it in order to make others comfortable.

[revelarts]

Agreed. But it's working.

kinda sad isn't it.

[jimnyc]

kinda sad isn't it.

Not to me. Someone finally ignoring the PC crap and wanting to help bring back Christianity and "Merry Christmas" back to the days of old, to me is a breath of fresh air. If you don't want to listen to him, don't think a leader simply speaking and all can help, so be it.

Personally, I've seen where small towns stood their ground, and a principal or mayor or someone spoke up - and changes were made. While maybe not in the schools or town hall - it made waves and grew throughout the town. It takes speaking up and leadership, and others listening and it growing.

I know. So sad.

[PixieStix]

kinda sad isn't it.

What is sad Rev, is the fact that we even have to have a conversation on saying Merry Christmas. The fact is Trump waxes kinda soft when he speaks on this. Have you ever seen him talk of it? He says it is sad that the PC words have over taken our beloved Merry Christmas. I happen to agree. We are built this nation on Christian principles. And the world wants us to submit to their version of holidays

[revelarts]

I agree , i say "merry Christmas" myself just because it's not PC.
But if Christians are swayed because of this "promise" that is just SAD. when abortion is running unhindered and homosexual marriages are now legal and they are putting christians in jail and they are losing businesses for not supporting it. Christian Businesses, private orgs and churches are getting lawyered up to deal with the potential lawsuits they fear may come over that and other issues.
But he'll say "merry christmas". That just seems a sad bone to get happy about to


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Seems he's said happy holidays in his twitter account as well.
And his own employyess aren't forced to say "Merry Christmas".
So why is he so powerfully committed to be Anti-PC on this issue now?

Yes it's sad that Christians would buy this "promises" as significant.
and that Trump would try to pass it off a something that he has a real passion about.

maybe you see it differently

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I agree , i say "merry Christmas" myself just because it's not PC.
But if Christians are swayed because of this "promise" that is just SAD. when abortion is running unhindered and homosexual marriages are now legal and they are putting christians in jail and they are losing businesses for not supporting it. Christian Businesses, private orgs and churches are getting lawyered up to deal with the potential lawsuits they fear may come over that and other issues.
But he'll say "merry christmas". That just seems a sad bone to get happy about to



But if Christians are swayed because of this "promise" that is just SAD. when abortion is running unhindered and homosexual marriages are now legal and they are putting christians in jail and they are losing businesses for not supporting it. Christian Businesses, private orgs and churches are getting lawyered up to deal with the potential lawsuits they fear may come over that and other issues.
^^^^^^^ What is sad is that you target Trump for saying he'll stop that but do not vent your anger at the dems, the obama and the leftists for bring it into fruition.
Sure, you'll gladly shoot the guard dog and let the wolves continue to eat the sheep, and all because you magically in your crystal ball know the dog is lying about what he will do as the next guard dog for the flock.
Can you please tell us how you know he will do none of it (rectifying)and also how if he got in office and did very little it would be worse than letting Hillary in to continue it full speed ahead?

You are being very irrational about this IMHO.
LETTING SOME HATRED RULE YOU.
WELL HOSS, WHY THE HELL ISNT THAT HATRED DIRECTED AT OBAMA, HILLARY AND THE DEMS??
I'll tell you why because its easier to tear down than it is to actually build up.
And crying how you'd never vote Trump yet pretending that is not the same as voting for the dem candidate is bullshit IMHO.
You are free to do as you say but do not expect any praise , applause and/or agreement that its a decent and moral decision on your part.
Its damn sure is not in my book. I've already stated if Trump doesn't get the nomination I'll vote for whichever Republican that does! Even Bush or Christie!! And I despise them both..
This election is without any doubt in my mind, the make or break for this nation IMHO. -TYR

[revelarts]

^^^^^^^ What is sad is that you target Trump for saying he'll stop that but do not vent your anger at the dems, the obama and the leftists for bring it into fruition.
Sure, you'll gladly shoot the guard dog and let the wolves continue to eat the sheep, and all because you magically in your crystal ball know the dog is lying about what he will do as the next guard dog for the flock.
Can you please tell us how you know he will do none of it (rectifying)and also how if he got in office and did very little it would be worse than letting Hillary in to continue it full speed ahead?

You are being very irrational about this IMHO.
LETTING SOME HATRED RULE YOU.
WELL HOSS, WHY THE HELL ISNT THAT HATRED DIRECTED AT OBAMA, HILLARY AND THE DEMS??
I'll tell you why because its easier to tear down than it is to actually build up.
And crying how you'd never vote Trump yet pretending that is not the same as voting for the dem candidate is bullshit IMHO.
You are free to do as you say but do not expect any praise , applause and/or agreement that its a decent and moral decision on your part.
Its damn sure is not in my book. I've already stated if Trump doesn't get the nomination I'll vote for whichever Republican that does! Even Bush or Christie!! And I despise them both..
This election is without any doubt in my mind, the make or break for this nation IMHO. -TYR

when Obama ran fro Prez. the 1st time i predicated that he wasn't going to close Gitmo, that he wouldn't end the war in Iraq, that he wouldn't change anything concerning the gov't spying, and he wouldn't prosecuted anyone from the Bush admin, that he'd do MORE of the same as Bush war wise, and that he was lying about people keeping their health plans, lying about it not costing more, and a few more items. my predictions were pretty good.
Obama is scum bag president and i didn't vote for him either.
I pissed off a LOT of people in my office with my predictions just like i' guess i'm pissing you off here.
I'm am equal opportunity hater Tyr.

You say you hate Jeb and Christie. I'm with you. i just have a longer list and i don't see ANY of them SAVING the country. Maybe it will sink slower, or maybe people will finally wake up and see that these half baked R and D candidates aren't serious. and TRY something new. maybe not.
As far as pointing to a candidate I like. If i had one believe me I'd be promoting in him or her.
Last 2 times around i did. this time not so much.

Concerning this time making or breaking the country.
well maybe. I just see us as the boiling frog, were basically cooked already.
But when Obama was elected the 1st time it was supposed to be the end of life on earth as we know it , then the 2nd time Armageddon too. the dramatic cries of extinction at THIS election don't strike me as real. But i could be wrong, sure this may be it. Hillary or Berine may shut down congress and declare a socialist dictatorship. Or hand power over to ISIS outright to execute americans on the streets. But i suspect we'll just get more crony capitalism, oligarchy and gov't corruption. And cries of we're going to die if we don't attack some country or group or depose some dictator. Whatever happen to Ahmadinejad destroying Israel if he wasn't stopped?
sorry i'm just not convinced anymore by all predictions of instant doom just around the corner if this or that thing isn't done right away. While few to no one seems very concerned about all the lost of liberties we've suffered NOW, all the gov't corruption and waste NOW, all abortions and homosexual marriages NOW, all the unconstitutional acts NOW. The deficit and national debt NOW. The over regulations and bizarre taxation of the citizenry NOW.
But both parties tell us we have to put up with a little bit more gov't crapto avoid some HORROR around the corner. "Muslims" "Climate Change" etc. i'm not buying the overhyped BS anymore.
Sorry I just won't vote for people who seem completely unconcerned about any of serious current constitutional issues Tyr.

Be disgusted and Shocked or whatever if you like but, we just see it a bit differently.