Trump supporters: Uneducated, Godless and Lazy

[tailfins]

Uneducated

One half of his voters have a high school education or less, compared to 19 percent with a college or post-graduate degree.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/09/who_are_trumps_supporters.html

Godless

Of those evangelical GOP primary voters who go to church at least once a month (80 percent of that subgroup), Trump polls just 21 percent (http://polling.reuters.com/#!response/TR130/type/oneshot/filters/LIKELY_PRIMARY15:1,LIKELYR:1,PARTY_ID_:2,D20:1,Z20 :5%7C6%7C7%7C8%7C9,RESP_AGE:-99%7C-9%7C-8%7C-7%7C-6%7C18%7C19%7C20%7C21%7C22%7C23%7C24%7C25%7C26%7C2 7%7C28%7C29%7C30%7C31%7C32%7C33%7C34%7C35%7C36%7C3 7%7C38%7C39%7C40%7). By contrast, among those attending church less frequently, Trump doubles his support.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/14/evangelicals-dont-love-trump/


Lazy

Many of Trump’s supporters are disaffected folks who are only marginally attached to the political process. A good number of them won’t show up at the voting booths.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/will-donald-trumps-supporters-show-up-at-the-polls

[Perianne]

Uneducated

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/09/who_are_trumps_supporters.html

Godless

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/14/evangelicals-dont-love-trump/


Lazy

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/will-donald-trumps-supporters-show-up-at-the-polls

That seems to describe me well, especially if you throw in fat, ugly, stinky, bucktoothed, and cross-eyed.

[tailfins]

That seems to describe me well, especially if you throw in fat, ugly, stinky, bucktoothed, and cross-eyed.

I didn't know you lived in Arkansas.

[aboutime]

Uneducated

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/09/who_are_trumps_supporters.html

Godless

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/14/evangelicals-dont-love-trump/


Lazy

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/will-donald-trumps-supporters-show-up-at-the-polls



You do realize that you also, just described every person who voted for Obama TWICE???

[tailfins]

You do realize that you also, just described every person who voted for Obama TWICE???

Absolutely, which makes the below no surprise:


Why Bernie Sanders Holds Potential Appeal for Trump Voters

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/why-bernie-sanders-holds-potential-appeal-trump-voters-n488051

[LongTermGuy]

Hillary Supporters....Learn something



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-eIDLvfd6s

[Kathianne]

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows my feelings regarding the GOP leader going into 2016. The following piece goes quite a ways explaining why he is where he is. The reasons he shouldn't be are quite clear, but through the inactions of others, it is what it is:

http://claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-reason-im-anti-anti-trump/#.VoSHwG0_5U4.facebook


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By: William Voegeli (http://claremont.org/crb/contributor-list/451/)
December 28, 2015
It’s hard to disagree with most of the bad things that have been said about Donald Trump, and impossible to add a truly fresh accusation to the list. In just six months as a presidential candidate Trump has been called “witless, gross, and unworthy (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425010/donald-trump-lowry-ponnuru),” “ignorant and bombastic (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/12/12/trumps_hysterical_critics_display_an_ignorance_of_ their_wwn_129020.html),” a “buffoon” and an “a--hole (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/gop-2016-debate-jeb-bush-donald-trump-121076),” a “clownish demagogue (http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-rules-matter/article/2000075),” and “proto-fascist (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/opinion/campaign-stops/is-donald-trump-a-fascist.html?)” whose “ideas range from the absurd … to the monstrous (http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/douthat/2015/12/16/the-secret-of-trumps-success/),” and whose policy pronouncements are no better than “barstool eruptions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-take-the-trump-stunt-seriously/2015/12/10/7e00b794-9f72-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html).”


And those are just his fellow Republicans’ opinions. Gleeful Democrats have made clear that Trump’s lead in public opinion polls throughout 2015 vindicates their allegations about the ignorance, stupidity, and bigotry of the GOP base and conservative movement. Trump’s rise “may be shocking,” writes (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/12/09/donald-trumps-america/trump-supporters-are-foot-soldiers-in-an-army-formed-by-reagan) Adele M. Stan of theAmerican Prospect, “but it’s merely a result of the natural evolution of the modern American right that drove the election of Ronald Reagan 35 years ago.” Damon Linker of the Week magazine agrees (http://theweek.com/articles/594122/unbearable-lameness-antiantitrump-republicans). Trump’s supporters are the “culturally alienated, conservative white male voters” who have “been manipulated … into a perpetual state of aggrieved indignation” by right-wing talk-radio, which constantly assures its listeners that “their ill-informed, illiberal, anti-government, anti-Washington, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim views are irrefutably, indisputably, incontrovertibly correct.”


To say, however, that Trump’s voters have been manipulated into aggrievement implies that their dissatisfactions are either spurious or, if genuine, illegitimate and indecent. It follows that were these Americans less alienated and better informed they would realize that even considering a man such as Trump for the White House is completely unjustified by the nation’s objective circumstances. We’ve enjoyed better times, the argument goes, but we’ve endured worse times. The present situation is not unmanageable, nor is it being so badly managed that we should reach beyond the standard presidential applicant pool to entrust the job to a figure who combines the most alarming qualities of Huey Long, George Wallace, and Ross Perot.



The fact that Trump has become a credible contender despite, or even because of, his obvious faults argues, however, for taking his followers’ concerns seriously rather than dismissing them. It is not, in fact, particularly difficult to explain the emergence of Trumpismo in terms of legitimate concerns not addressed, and important duties not discharged. That such a flawed contender could be a front-runner tells us more about what’s wrong with the country than about what’s wrong with his followers. People have every reason to expect that their government will take its most basic responsibilities seriously, and every reason to be angry when, instead, it proves more feckless than conscientious. Governments are instituted among men to secure their inalienable rights, according to the Declaration of Independence. This means that when we and our rights are left avoidably insecure, government has failed in its central mission.

...

Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, according to the Declaration. The clerisy that governs modern policy and discourse is, however, dangerously prone to claim legitimacy on the basis of its own expertise and lofty ideals. The Trump insurrection is, like the Tea Party, a Jacksonian rebuke in the spirit of William Buckley’s famous preference to be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston telephone directory over devolving all power on the 2,000 members of the Harvard faculty. Common sense is not, today’s Jacksonians believe, a sufficient condition for successfully governing in the modern, complicated world … but it is a necessary one, and also shockingly uncommon in the ranks of our well trained, highly credentialed mandarins.


Demagoguery flourishes when democracy falters. A disreputable, irresponsible figure like Donald Trump gets a hearing when the reputable, responsible people in charge of things turn out to be self-satisfied and self-deluded. The best way to fortify Trump’s presidential campaign is to insist his followers’ grievances are simply illegitimate, bigoted, and ignorant. The best way to defeat it is to argue that their justified demands for competent, serious governance deserve a statesman, not a showman.

[revelarts]

I'm not sure how Christians can support Trump.

at least Romney seem to live out many real positive Christan ideals. even though Mroman.

But Trump , married 3 times, made much of his money off of casinos, talks about dating his daughter. Doesn't seem to have much of a religious life, doesn't know the meaning of the the word humility. He's says he's pro-life now and anti homosexual marriage but he hasn't filled the airways with his plans there as he has on the horrors of immigration. He Back handedly supports protesters being "roughed up" at his events. (similar to fascist speeches in european countries in the 1930s)

It really saddens me that this guy seems to have real appeal for many republicans. He's shallow on nearly everything, same as Obama was his 1st go round. lots of promises that sound like "..i'm gonna fix it don't worry trust me it's a new day.."


Even his comments on his faith seem that way


..Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions."I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."
Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.
"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"
​http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/

I guess he can get points for honesty here but is that as deep as his faith goes, "I believe... and drink a little wine... and try to do right"?

I mean no one has to be a scholar but if your not sure you've ever asked God for forgiveness then I'm not sure one can say they are a chrsitian by basic chrsitian teachings. If he says "I GUESS" I've asked forgiveness then I think it fair to say I GUESS he's Christain or i could GUESS he's not.

not much solid to go on there.
Finally it's between him and God though. I hope he can get some clarity.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Uneducated

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/09/who_are_trumps_supporters.html

Godless

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/14/evangelicals-dont-love-trump/


Lazy

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/will-donald-trumps-supporters-show-up-at-the-polls

Wow, you found hit pieces on Trump. Are you happy that it took you about ten seconds to find them?
A bit lazy yourself aren't you?
Since you've made no writes of your own about why Trump is so bad ,etc.

And amazed that not all his supporters are deeply religious are you?
Do explain, if you can ye ole lazy one..

And you cite sources that any good conservative , decent man or woman would spit on.
Yet think you've done something great!
A fool wearing his overcoat in a hot July summer and wondering why everybody is gawking
at him..:laugh:--Tyr

[revelarts]

Hillary Supporters....Learn something



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-eIDLvfd6s

I have give most of the people in that video some credit.
At least they didn't begin KNEE JERK rejecting the facts presented or going into emotional denials and name calling the questioner or his motives.

Unlike Some Republicans (and leftist) who when presented with facts of a favored politician's hypocrisies, problems, unconstitutional acts or even crimes will turn into PRETZELS to justify or minimize nearly any actions ---no matter how terrible-- to cover the politician in question.
or when confronted with problems about their favored politician they don't reply to the problems presented but start ranting about all the horrific problems of the opposition.

[revelarts]

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows my feelings regarding the GOP leader going into 2016. The following piece goes quite a ways explaining why he is where he is. The reasons he shouldn't be are quite clear, but through the inactions of others, it is what it is:

http://claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-reason-im-anti-anti-trump/#.VoSHwG0_5U4.facebook

that's interesting,
I wonder though.
what are these horrific "grievances" that haven't been addressed?

Immigration?
Muslims?
Black live matter protesters?

not abortion
not the constitution
not homosexual marriage
not taxes
not Obama care -he wants universal gov't coverage-.

So what are the grievances of these supporters that must be taken seriously?

middle class jobs? all candidates TALK about middle class jobs NONE have done jack about it.

WHAT real political grievances is this guy reefing to other than Immigration, muslims and minorities (all minority based issues)?
I think if someone wanted to provide the reason for Trump's support with some cover they'd stick to the "personality" "strait talker" "outsider" line. Because I don't see anything NEW policy wise that's so compelling, much less democratic or constitutional.

[Perianne]

I keep trying to run away from Trump, but he keeps pulling me back in. Rather, his opponents keep pushing me back in.

I recognize his inconsistencies. I recognize he is probably a butthole.

Pretty much anything the National Review says goes in my mental trash bin, as does anything said by RINOs like Jeb, Rubio and the like. In my view, true conservatives and us unedumacated southern folk are sick of the Republican leadership. If they are for someone, I am not. Look at Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, two traitors elected to their leadership posts by their puppy dog followers. The true conservatives in Washington include Jeff Sessions and Steve King. I would love to have dinner with them.

When people I respect are in Trump's corner, like Rush and the other political goddess, Ann Coulter, it causes me to think harder about Trump...warts and all.

[Perianne]

that's interesting,
I wonder though.
what are these horrific "grievances" that haven't been addressed?

Immigration?
Muslims?
....

Immigration is the only issue that matters at this point.

[Kathianne]

that's interesting,
I wonder though.
what are these horrific "grievances" that haven't been addressed?

Immigration?
Muslims?
Black live matter protesters?

not abortion
not the constitution
not homosexual marriage
not taxes
not Obama care -he wants universal gov't coverage-.

So what are the grievances of these supporters that must be taken seriously?

middle class jobs? all candidates TALK about middle class jobs NONE have dome jack about it.

WHAT real political grievances is this guy reefing to other than Immigration, muslims and minorities (all minority based issues)?
I think if someone wanted to provide the reason for Trump's support with some cover they'd stick to the "personality" "strait talker" "outsider" line. Because I don't see anything NEW policy wise that's so compelling, much less democratic or constitutional.

I'm thinking illegal immigration; taxes; government regulations; government size; poor foreign policies; failures to pass budgets; catering to Wall Street at the expense of Main Street...

[Drummond]

I keep trying to run away from Trump, but he keeps pulling me back in. Rather, his opponents keep pushing me back in.

I recognize his inconsistencies. I recognize he is probably a butthole.

Pretty much anything the National Review says goes in my mental trash bin, as does anything said by RINOs like Jeb, Rubio and the like. In my view, true conservatives and us unedumacated southern folk are sick of the Republican leadership. If they are for someone, I am not. Look at Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, two traitors elected to their leadership posts by their puppy dog followers. The true conservatives in Washington include Jeff Sessions and Steve King. I would love to have dinner with them.

When people I respect are in Trump's corner, like Rush and the other political goddess, Ann Coulter, it causes me to think harder about Trump...warts and all.

Ann's wonderful, isn't she, Peri ? I've been a fan of hers for years ... bought a book of hers, too .... she was once interviewed on the BBC, and its resident Rottweiler of an interviewer, Jeremy Paxman, was 'bested' by her ...

[Perianne]

Ann's wonderful, isn't she, Peri ? I've been a fan of hers for years ... bought a book of hers, too .... she was once interviewed on the BBC, and its resident Rottweiler of an interviewer, Jeremy Paxman, was 'bested' by her ...

Ann IS wonderful indeed. I have read all her books except her last one. Thanks for reminding me. I will order it now.

[revelarts]

I'm thinking illegal immigration; taxes; government regulations; government size; poor foreign policies; failures to pass budgets; catering to Wall Street at the expense of Main Street...

illegal immigration-
Yes as i mentioned - illegals seem the foundation here- but,
W had a TOTALLY different view on it but Republicans still revere him now and voted for him.

taxes-
Seem to me Trump has the rich in mind with taxes more than the middle class.

government regulations- government size-
W said he was against gov't regulation and we got the patriot act, the dept of Homeland security, the TSA etc, and more regulations in other areas, he slowed some biz regs but overall it was major growth. Basically ALL of the Republican candidates are talking about this. what is it that Trump is saying so different on this front? Ron Paul was going to cut whole depts but he was too racist get any real R supporters :rolleyes:.

poor foreign policies;
Basically ALL of the Republican candidates are talking about this, so what is it that Trump is saying so different on this front? McCain said the same Romney said the same 4 years ago but didn't get the passion.

failures to pass budgets;
this has been an issue since Clinton. Gingrich talked about it then and again when he ran , Cruz and Rubio ran on it to get to congress, all the R's are on a similar page here, what has NOT been talked about or taken seriously? sorry i don't see it. Trumps no unifier, budgets will be no easier with him in the white house and with another divided congress.

catering to Wall Street at the expense of Main Street.
this is a weird one.
when Obama mouths talk against wall street or when the Occuppy Wall St crowd rail against wall st, the right is pissed out of their minds.
But when trump does it, it's a grievance that's been UNHEARD and not taken seriously until now?
Michelle Bachmen addressed this issue well, so did.. well yes again ...RON PAUL. And few felt the urge to rally at this grievance not taken seriously.

But lets' take a step back. what EXACTLY is Trump proposing here? He's called Hedge fund people crooks, but is he proposing Jail for wall streeters, higher taxes? enforcement of regulations on the books? NO, not as far as i know. The only anti wall st actions he's talked about is anti NAFTA anti TTP anti GAT and anti illegal labor. but other than illegal labor he seems to just want "better deals" and some unspecified tariffs. But he for lower corporate and personal taxes in general. so where's the unaddresed grievance? NAFTA the TTP? seriously? you can't get a thread on any political board going on the TTP except to complain about "conspiracy theorist".

And i have to say on this issue i been wondering if he doesn't have most people bambozzaled. I may be completely wrong here but i don't think he's against wall st at all. I think he's for TRUMP STREET and HIS rich friends. sorry i'm just that jaded at this point to imagine that instead of PAYING OFF with campaign contributions politicians he'd just rather BE the politician and get his sweet heart deals done directly. cutting out the middle men/women. Hey I could be completely wrong here, but i'd like to see someone to give me some hard reassurance based on his character and past that it won't happen.

But OK lets give him the FULL benny of the doubt and say that Trump has ZERO SELF interests to serve. That he's in it ONLY for the little guy. the "real" american man and woman on the street, so what is he going to do?
if i hear him right it's lower taxes (we've heard this since Bush sr.) Create tariffs to protect jobs in the U.S. (that's a different take on the "I'll put america back to work.." promise of EVERY politician) but the one that seems to resonant the most. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS.

so basically i'm still not seeing these OTHER unspoken, "not taken seriously", political grievances that have FIRED UP this Trump support.

and K i suspect if you asked some the Trump supporters about WHY they support Trump few of the items on your list would come up.
And if you asked specifically about those items they'd have little to say.

[revelarts]

I keep trying to run away from Trump, but he keeps pulling me back in. Rather, his opponents keep pushing me back in.

I recognize his inconsistencies. I recognize he is probably a butthole.

Pretty much anything the National Review says goes in my mental trash bin, as does anything said by RINOs like Jeb, Rubio and the like. In my view, true conservatives and us unedumacated southern folk are sick of the Republican leadership. If they are for someone, I am not. Look at Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, two traitors elected to their leadership posts by their puppy dog followers. The true conservatives in Washington include Jeff Sessions and Steve King. I would love to have dinner with them.

When people I respect are in Trump's corner, like Rush and the other political goddess, Ann Coulter, it causes me to think harder about Trump...warts and all.


I'm not sure of your motives here.
But is it the best idea to say
--the people i don't like are saying bad things about him
so I'll VOTE FOR him!--?

shouldn't we all try and see WHY folks say bad things and then check for ourselves if those things have merit or not. Rather than assume folks are wrong because we don't like them?

[Kathianne]

illegal immigration-
Yes as i mentioned - illegals seem the foundation here- but,
W had a TOTALLY different view on it but Republicans still revere him now and voted for him.

taxes-
Seem to me Trump has the rich in mind with taxes more than the middle class.

government regulations- government size-
W said he was against gov't regulation and we got the patriot act, the dept of Homeland security, the TSA etc, and more regulations in other areas, he slowed some biz regs but overall it was major growth. Basically ALL of the Republican candidates are talking about this. what is it that Trump is saying so different on this front? Ron Paul was going to cut whole depts but he was too racist get any real R supporters :rolleyes:.

poor foreign policies;
Basically ALL of the Republican candidates are talking about this, so what is it that Trump is saying so different on this front? McCain said the same Romney said the same 4 years ago but didn't get the passion.

failures to pass budgets;
this has been an issue since Clinton. Gingrich talked about it then and again when he ran , Cruz and Rubio ran on it to get to congress, all the R's are on a similar page here, what has NOT been talked about or taken seriously? sorry i don't see it. Trumps no unifier, budgets will be no easier with him in the white house and with another divided congress.

catering to Wall Street at the expense of Main Street.
this is a weird one.
when Obama mouths talk against wall street or when the Occuppy Wall St crowd rail against wall st, the right is pissed out of their minds.
But when trump does it, it's a grievance that's been UNHEARD and not taken seriously until now?
Michelle Bachmen addressed this issue well, so did.. well yes again ...RON PAUL. And few felt the urge to rally at this grievance not taken seriously.

But lets' take a step back. what EXACTLY is Trump proposing here? He's called Hedge fund people crooks, but is he proposing Jail for wall streeters, higher taxes? enforcement of regulations on the books? NO, not as far as i know. The only anti wall st actions he's talked about is anti NAFTA anti TTP anti GAT and anti illegal labor. but other than illegal labor he seems to just want "better deals" and some unspecified tariffs. But he for lower corporate and personal taxes in general. so where's the unaddresed grievance? NAFTA the TTP? seriously? you can't get a thread on any political board going on the TTP except to complain about "conspiracy theorist".

And i have to say on this issue i been wondering if he doesn't have most people bambozzaled. I may be completely wrong here but i don't think he's against wall st at all. I think he's for TRUMP STREET and HIS rich friends. sorry i'm just that jaded at this point to imagine that instead of PAYING OFF with campaign contributions politicians he'd just rather BE the politician and get his sweet heart deals done directly. cutting out the middle men/women. Hey I could be completely wrong here, but i'd like to see someone to give me some hard reassurance based on his character and past that it won't happen.

But OK lets give him the FULL benny of the doubt and say that Trump has ZERO SELF interests to serve. That he's in it ONLY for the little guy. the "real" american man and woman on the street, so what is he going to do?
if i hear him right it's lower taxes (we've heard this since Bush sr.) Create tariffs to protect jobs in the U.S. (that's a different take on the "I'll put america back to work.." promise of EVERY politician) but the one that seems to resonant the most. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS.

so basically i'm still not seeing these OTHER unspoken, "not taken seriously", political grievances that have FIRED UP this Trump support.

and K i suspect if you asked some the Trump supporters about WHY they support Trump few of the items on your list would come up.
And if you asked specifically about those items they'd have little to say.

The argument on government doing all but the public's will is not something confined to those supporting Trump, nor my list by a long shot.

I consider Trump dangerous, that's my opinion. I don't think you feel all that different, but I'll leave that to you. Seems your stand is to vote for a different non-insider, be it a Ron Paul or libertarian party or some other.

Many liberals-outside what is now considered 'main' which used to be radical. The new radical now consider Obama non-responsive, along with Pelosi, Hillary is a horror to them. That's part of the reason Sanders is doing as well as he is, though not a Trump.

Indeed, much like I've repeatedly reiterated, I haven't chosen a candidate, only ruled Trump out. I don't think at this point I've not had an inkling of whom I could cast my ballot for.

I do think there're valid observations in the article that pertain to the body politic, not just those going for the 'outsiders.'

[revelarts]

The argument on government doing all but the public's will is not something confined to those supporting Trump, nor my list by a long shot.

I consider Trump dangerous, that's my opinion. I don't think you feel all that different, but I'll leave that to you. Seems your stand is to vote for a different non-insider, be it a Ron Paul or libertarian party or some other.

Many liberals-outside what is now considered 'main' which used to be radical. The new radical now consider Obama non-responsive, along with Pelosi, Hillary is a horror to them. That's part of the reason Sanders is doing as well as he is, though not a Trump.

Indeed, much like I've repeatedly reiterated, I haven't chosen a candidate, only ruled Trump out. I don't think at this point I've not had an inkling of whom I could cast my ballot for.

I do think there're valid observations in the article that pertain to the body politic, not just those going for the 'outsiders.'

I think the article makes some good points, and there have been "outsider" candidates of the right before including Ross Perot and Paul. And their appeal also touched some of the same issues but their emphases were clearer and more universal, simply put economic common sense and constitutional common sense respectively. Trump's draw seems a bit darker and less inclusive IMO.

[Black Diamond]

I think the article makes some good points, and there have been "outsider" candidates of the right before including Ross Perot and Paul. And their appeal also touched some of the same issues but their emphases were clearer and more universal, simply put economic common sense and constitutional common sense respectively. Trump's draw seems a bit darker and less inclusive IMO.

He isn't selling people on Donald's policies. Hes selling them on Donald Trump.

[Kathianne]

I think the article makes some good points, and there have been "outsider" candidates of the right before including Ross Perot and Paul. And their appeal also touched some of the same issues but their emphases were clearer and more universal, simply put economic common sense and constitutional common sense respectively. Trump's draw seems a bit darker and less inclusive IMO.

You are well aware of my position on Ron Paul, my reasons for not being willing to follow along with him was his past-we wore that one out. With Trump, it's his past and not so distant past political leanings. There's also the fact that his only 'qualifications' seem to be his superlatives in referring to himself along with what he calls his 'policies' and how 'great' they will be and nasty lines regarding all who do not lap it up.

Keep in mind the only reason I had to 'investigate' Ron Paul was I liked what I originally heard him say. Perot had some good points, but on too many he was 'way out there.'

I don't find Trump a 'show man,' in the sense of being entertaining, then again I've never found reality shows to be either.

[PixieStix]

I am quite sick of people acting as if they are better than the blue collar worker. I am here t tell you, they are not better.

Liberals and conservatives alike are using their wonderful degrees and using them as weapons.

I am not saying that if you have a degree, you are better or beneath us blue collar workers. Who many are claiming are stupid.

What would the elite educated awesome people do without the lowly blue collar worker Since they are so much smarter than us, then figure it out and tell us lowly godless, lazy people how to live. Thank you and have a nice f*cking life with your little degrees

I have to go slave for people like you educated elitist f*cks

Trumo 2016 :salute:

[Black Diamond]

You are well aware of my position on Ron Paul, my reasons for not being willing to follow along with him was his past-we wore that one out. With Trump, it's his past and not so distant past political leanings. There's also the fact that his only 'qualifications' seem to be his superlatives in referring to himself along with what he calls his 'policies' and how 'great' they will be and nasty lines regarding all who do not lap it up.

Keep in mind the only reason I had to 'investigate' Ron Paul was I liked what I originally heard him say. Perot had some good points, but on too many he was 'way out there.'

I don't find Trump a 'show man,' in the sense of being entertaining, then again I've never found reality shows to be either.

He's always been a self promoter, even aside from reality shows.

[Black Diamond]

Never underestimate someone who overestimates himself.....

[PixieStix]

Never underestimate someone who overestimates himself.....

The establishment is underestimating the lowly blue collar worker, and Donald Trump

[Black Diamond]

The establishment is underestimating the lowly blue collar worker, and Donald Trump

I agree. 100% I have authored a thread or two about that. :cool:

[Kathianne]

I am quite sick of people acting as if they are better than the blue collar worker. I am here t tell you, they are not better.

Liberals and conservatives alike are using their wonderful degrees and using them as weapons.

I am not saying that if you have a degree, you are better or beneath us blue collar workers. Who many are claiming are stupid.

What would the elite educated awesome people do without the lowly blue collar worker Since they are so much smarter than us, then figure it out and tell us lowly godless, lazy people how to live. Thank you and have a nice f*cking life with your little degrees

I have to go slave for people like you educated elitist f*cks

Trumo 2016 :salute:

Wow, feel better? Last I checked it was only the 'non-Trump' people accused of name calling.

I'm pretty sure at this point I've posted as many positive news for Trump lovers as negative. More and more I understand the appeal, just totally reject what is being projected. I'm not elitist and certainly not liberal. I've never said that degrees prove anything other than an ability to sit and regurgitate what is needed to get through.

[Kathianne]

I agree. 100% I have authored a thread or two about that. :cool:

As have I, including today. ;)

[PixieStix]

Hillary Supporters....Learn something



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-eIDLvfd6s

Thank you. That was wonderful, except for the part where I had to see and hear hillary. ;)

[Black Diamond]

Wow, feel better? Last I checked it was only the 'non-Trump' people accused of name calling.

I'm pretty sure at this point I've posted as many positive news for Trump lovers as negative. More and more I understand the appeal, just totally reject what is being projected. I'm not elitist and certainly not liberal. I've never said that degrees prove anything other than an ability to sit and regurgitate what is needed to get through.
Populism??

[PixieStix]

Wow, feel better? Last I checked it was only the 'non-Trump' people accused of name calling.

I'm pretty sure at this point I've posted as many positive news for Trump lovers as negative. More and more I understand the appeal, just totally reject what is being projected. I'm not elitist and certainly not liberal. I've never said that degrees prove anything other than an ability to sit and regurgitate what is needed to get through.

I wasn't talking to you personally. But the new and improved narrative that the left has issued that many conservatives have fallen into. As usual

[Kathianne]

Populism??

I think I've used that word before. ;)

'Feelings' over logic, more usual for liberals.

[Kathianne]

I wasn't talking to you personally. But the new and improved narrative that the left has issued that many conservatives have fallen into. As usual

Funny, seems the new 'conservative' position posited is that one is either for Trump or liberal or 'fallen into' liberalism.

[Black Diamond]

Funny, seems the new 'conservative' position posited is that one is either for Trump or liberal or 'fallen into' liberalism.

Republican controlled Senate and House have fallen into liberalism. As evidenced by recent Omnibus. I think we are seeing the anger towards that.

[Kathianne]

Republican controlled Senate and House have fallen into liberalism. As evidenced by recent Omnibus. I think we are seeing the anger towards that.

Nah, the Congress has been going towards the left for many years-the only way to stop that perhaps is for those fools to recognize WHY Trump is getting so much for so little. Instead they think it's his 'toughness' not the topics. Similarly the Democrats promise the end of fossil fuels, the healing of all rifts, while adding to all. 'The People' are rising against the government at a level probably not seen since the Bonus Army. It could get very ugly.

Specifically the omnibus bill was done before the new speaker, but Ryan is going to catch the blame. Lots of bad stuff in there, same reasoning behind it as behind the Obamacare-too much, too little oversight, no time to look at 'final product.'

[Black Diamond]

Nah, the Congress has been going towards the left for many years-the only way to stop that perhaps is for those fools to recognize WHY Trump is getting so much for so little. Instead they think it's his 'toughness' not the topics. Similarly the Democrats promise the end of fossil fuels, the healing of all rifts, while adding to all. 'The People' are rising against the government at a level probably not seen since the Bonus Army. It could get very ugly.

Specifically the omnibus bill was done before the new speaker, but Ryan is going to catch the blame. Lots of bad stuff in there, same reasoning behind it as behind the Obamacare-too much, too little oversight, no time to look at 'final product.'
Another Angle:: Obama is the cause of this. He is the most radical President maybe ever. Republicans said give us the Senate. We will change things. What have they changed??
And I agree about Ryan. But people don't care. They are pissed

[Kathianne]

Another Angle:: Obama is the cause of this. He is the most radical President maybe ever. Republicans said give us the Senate. We will change things. What have they changed??
And I agree about Ryan. But people don't care. They are pissed

Obama has made US appear disloyal to allies and weak to enemies, opening up a world of hurt. Within the country there hasn't been so much animosity along racial, economic, and social lines. Language has become an issue with first amendment ramifications. Meanwhile the discourse has never been so uncivil.

[Black Diamond]

Obama has made US appear disloyal to allies and weak to enemies, opening up a world of hurt. Within the country there hasn't been so much animosity along racial, economic, and social lines. Language has become an issue with first amendment ramifications. Meanwhile the discourse has never been so uncivil.
Yes. And .Congress made us believe they would change it all If we gave them the Senate. They have not changed anything. We were, in a sense, lied to..

[Kathianne]

Yes. And .Congress made us believe they would change it all If we gave them the Senate. They have not changed anything. We were, in a sense, lied to..

Interesting, how should they have changed what was done or wasn't? The powers they have were handed over to the executive long before this Congress. I would argue that what needs to be done is a Congressional fight against the Executive, which may be dangerous in perilous times. OTOH, continuing to allow the executive to act by fiat is in itself very dangerous. Truth is, doesn't matter who is president, the above still holds.

What's even more frightening to me are those arguing for 'stronger government' which currently means a stronger president with bureaucrats given more compulsory powers. More unfunded mandates on the states, less freedoms for those paying for it all.

No one is arguing against a strong military, rather that the powers of the branches be restored; the powers given to the Federal government stay at that level; the powers not given to the fed revert to the states.

[Gunny]

Interesting the Trumpies can't see the elephant in the room that he has divided the right guaranteeing that criminal Democrat the presidency. ANY so-called conservative supporting a windbag because he appeals to emotion needs to think again. Trump is whatever he thinks it takes to win. What he isn't is a conservative.

[jimnyc]

"Trump supporters....."

That's about all that most have anymore, and a repeated story, go after his supporters. I like the description, but I'm not Godless. I am laughing all the way to the HUGE leads in the polls. :coffee:

[jimnyc]

Interesting the Trumpies can't see the elephant in the room that he has divided the right guaranteeing that criminal Democrat the presidency. ANY so-called conservative supporting a windbag because he appeals to emotion needs to think again. Trump is whatever he thinks it takes to win. What he isn't is a conservative.

Completely understand, we've been told already that us "Trumpies" aren't quite as smart, and can't grasp things as well as others. I'm sorry to have let a few of you down! :laugh:

Perhaps it's OTHERS who are blinded for whatever reason? Wouldn't be the first time.

[jimnyc]

taxes-
Seem to me Trump has the rich in mind with taxes more than the middle class.

Made it this far. Did you read his tax plans? Nope, you didn't! His plans help the middle class and will be harder on the rich.

Serious question, Rev - have you actually read any of his plans yet? I'm betting a big fat no.

[Black Diamond]

"Trump supporters....."

That's about all that most have anymore, and a repeated story, go after his supporters. I like the description, but I'm not Godless. I am laughing all the way to the HUGE leads in the polls. :coffee:
Thank Hillary maybe? Attacking him was foolish. Now he's been slamming her instead of other Republicans.

[Black Diamond]

Made it this far. Did you read his tax plans? Nope, you didn't! His plans help the middle class and will be harder on the rich.

Serious question, Rev - have you actually read any of his plans yet? I'm betting a big fat no.

True. It's a graduated tax plan with brackets.

[jimnyc]

True. It's a graduated tax plan with brackets.

Yeps. And his plan may not be successful in the end, I really don't know. But his plan is certainly not directed with the rich in mind. Seems like the richer you are, the harder you'll get hit. The poorest will get huge relief under his plan. If I recall correctly, those making less than like $30k or so won't pay taxes at all. And that increases as the salary increases. He also wants to close loopholes that help the mega rich. Not sure how anyone can read his tax plan and think otherwise.

[Elessar]

Uneducated

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/09/who_are_trumps_supporters.html

Godless

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/14/evangelicals-dont-love-trump/


Lazy

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/will-donald-trumps-supporters-show-up-at-the-polls

That blanket, broad brush stuff is horse manure.

You just highlighted Obama and Clinton fans, who are far more ignorant.

[Drummond]

That seems to describe me well, especially if you throw in fat, ugly, stinky, bucktoothed, and cross-eyed.

In my case, bald, toothless, possessing an accent that many Americans might have problems with ... oh, and an incurable bum scratcher .... :rolleyes:

[LongTermGuy]

I have give most of the people in that video some credit.
At least they didn't begin KNEE JERK rejecting the facts presented or going into emotional denials and name calling the questioner or his motives.

Unlike Some Republicans (and leftist) who when presented with facts of a favored politician's hypocrisies, problems, unconstitutional acts or even crimes will turn into PRETZELS to justify or minimize nearly any actions ---no matter how terrible-- to cover the politician in question.
or when confronted with problems about their favored politician they don't reply to the problems presented but start ranting about all the horrific problems of the opposition.


Just goes to show..."both" sides have Problems....and it also goes to show Americans need something different (someone in reality who is actually neither side)...a HARD right turn to American values ....to takes us back from the Hard left turn that has been a proven Failure...

Trump / Cruz 2016

[Drummond]

Just goes to show..."both" sides have Problems....and it also goes to show Americans need something different (someone in reality who is actually neither side)...a HARD right turn to American values ....to takes us back from the Hard left turn that has been a proven Failure...

Trump / Cruz 2016

The Hard Left couldn't be anything else BUT a failure. That was always a 'given' ... any successful political philosophy has to serve people's best interests, and resonate with what drives people. Leftieism does none of that .. it's too busy trying to legislate for what it insists people SHOULD aspire to, and be satisfied with.

Trump understands people, what their fears and concerns are, he does 'resonate' .. and in a very plain-speaking way. Hardly any wonder why he's a consistent leader in all the popularity polls conducted.

[revelarts]

Made it this far. Did you read his tax plans? Nope, you didn't! His plans help the middle class and will be harder on the rich.
Serious question, Rev - have you actually read any of his plans yet? I'm betting a big fat no.

Yeps. And his plan may not be successful in the end, I really don't know. But his plan is certainly not directed with the rich in mind. Seems like the richer you are, the harder you'll get hit. The poorest will get huge relief under his plan. If I recall correctly, those making less than like $30k or so won't pay taxes at all. And that increases as the salary increases. He also wants to close loopholes that help the mega rich. Not sure how anyone can read his tax plan and think otherwise.


I've heard him mention it. i've read parts, and heard "people i respect" on several sides comment on it.

EVERYONE gets a taxa break, he's betting on the economy growing and some U.S. firms bringing jobs and money back from overseas.

look if I've got 50 or 30K and i get personal tax cut that good on survival level.
But if i have 1B and a several corporations which all get overall tax cuts. but closes some loopholes.
who does it benefit more?

By definition if the Trump believes the rich are going to bring more cash back to the U.S. that means the rich think they'll be able to KEEP MORE of it here.

[jimnyc]

I've heard him mention it. i've read parts, and heard "people i respect" on several sides comment on it.

EVERYONE gets a taxa break, he's betting on the economy growing and some U.S. firms bringing jobs and money back from overseas.

look if I've got 50 or 30K and i get personal tax cut that good on survival level.
But if i have 1B and a several corporations which all get overall tax cuts. but closes some loopholes.
who does it benefit more?

By definition if the Trump believes the rich are going to bring more cash back to the U.S. that means the rich think they'll be able to KEEP MORE of it here.

Is your answer that you have heard stuff, but haven't even directly read his plans? You won't be the first.... but how can one even begin to discuss/debate things with you when you never even read his plans? And you make such a comment, which was actually 180 from what you said. I'm only going this route, as I really don't want to go over things with folks who refuse to read his plans. I've even stated this many times over the past 3 months or so. If folks want to condemn his plans without really even reading them in their entirety, I'll sit back and watch instead of partaking. Gotta admit, it's difficult to post with folks when they make such statements, only to find out they really never even bothered. It almost sounds like you were guessing at a few points.

And again, the corporations and tax loopholes and such are supposed to be hit harder. But you already knew that from reading his stances over the past year, haven't you? :rolleyes:

[Black Diamond]

I've heard him mention it. i've read parts, and heard "people i respect" on several sides comment on it.

EVERYONE gets a taxa break, he's betting on the economy growing and some U.S. firms bringing jobs and money back from overseas.

look if I've got 50 or 30K and i get personal tax cut that good on survival level.
But if i have 1B and a several corporations which all get overall tax cuts. but closes some loopholes.
who does it benefit more?

By definition if the Trump believes the rich are going to bring more cash back to the U.S. that means the rich think they'll be able to KEEP MORE of it here.

Trump r released a detailed tax plan about 3 months ago. As did jeb. I remember it being discussed and debated on Laura Ingraham.

[Black Diamond]

Interesting the Trumpies can't see the elephant in the room that he has divided the right guaranteeing that criminal Democrat the presidency. ANY so-called conservative supporting a windbag because he appeals to emotion needs to think again. Trump is whatever he thinks it takes to win. What he isn't is a conservative.
Is he more or less conservative than the other Omnibus candidates? Only other person up there who gives the impression they would seriously change this disaster is Cruz.

[revelarts]

Is your answer that you have heard stuff, but haven't even directly read his plans? You won't be the first.... but how can one even begin to discuss/debate things with you when you never even read his plans? And you make such a comment, which was actually 180 from what you said. I'm only going this route, as I really don't want to go over things with folks who refuse to read his plans. I've even stated this many times over the past 3 months or so. If folks want to condemn his plans without really even reading them in their entirety, I'll sit back and watch instead of partaking. Gotta admit, it's difficult to post with folks when they make such statements, only to find out they really never even bothered. It almost sounds like you were guessing at a few points.

And again, the corporations and tax loopholes and such are supposed to be hit harder. But you already knew that from reading his stances over the past year, haven't you? :rolleyes:

Jim you're full of it.
you can't even read through some of my post before you start making snarky comments.

link me to his plans Jim.
maybe i'll read it all or maybe I'll reply to him as you've done to me several time.
"it's gibberish" cause it's got to many facts with links i don't like so it must be wrong:eek:.

but my general points ALL stand.
And you haven't replied to any.

the Rich benefit.
taxes are cut for ALL,
taxes are cut for corporations
Trump expects the rich to bring personal and corporate money back home.
this means the RICH think the Taxes FAVOR them... whoever else it may also help in a small way.

Are those points wrong or right Jim?
or is it to much to read?

[Gunny]

"Trump supporters....."

That's about all that most have anymore, and a repeated story, go after his supporters. I like the description, but I'm not Godless. I am laughing all the way to the HUGE leads in the polls. :coffee:


Completely understand, we've been told already that us "Trumpies" aren't quite as smart, and can't grasp things as well as others. I'm sorry to have let a few of you down! :laugh:

Perhaps it's OTHERS who are blinded for whatever reason? Wouldn't be the first time.

Nope. I haven't called anyone stupid. One right they haven't taken away is our right to vote for who we want. Freedom of speech has been stepped all over though. I respect everyone's right to do both.

I've repeatedly stated I understand his appeal to some people. If he becomes the GOP nominee you'll be in line behind ME voting.

What I DON'T like is all this back-biting crap. The Republicans are destroying themselves instead of going after that lard-ass Hillary. When your gameplan doesn't work, you need a new one. These debates and attacking each other crap are self-destructive. They've lost the last two elections using the same failed plan, and lost Congress for awhile because of the same failed plan from the 90s -- empty promises.

But this NOT personal to me and I wish some would not take it that way. I want people to get out and vote against Hillary and I could care less what your reason is. As one of the Republicans said last debate, everyone on that stage was better qualified to be President than her. We can't stand 4-8 more years of Obama.

[jimnyc]

Jim you're full of it.
you can't even read through some of my post before you start making snarky comments.

link me to his plans Jim.
maybe i'll read it all or maybe I'll reply to him as you've done to me several time.
"it's gibberish" cause it's got to many facts with links i don't like so it must be wrong:eek:.

but my general points ALL stand.
And you haven't replied to any.

the Rich benefit.
taxes are cut for ALL,
taxes are cut for corporations
Trump expects the rich to bring personal and corporate money back home.
this means the RICH think the Taxes FAVOR them... whoever else it may also help in a small way.

Are those point wrong or right Jim?
or is it to much to read?

I say you didn't read shit, and then want to comment on what you don't know. You say I'm full of it. Then in the next breath you ask for a link to his plans. You may stand by your points, but on his tax plan you are wrong, dead wrong, and even admitted you didn't read it. Sorry, but sounds like YOU are full of shit.

You admit you haven't read his plans. You are useless to discuss this with, and lazy considering it's ALREADY been posted, both the links many times, and the plans itself in its entirety.

That's intellectually dishonest defined - someone who wants to comment and make points - about something they never even read. Then again, it's also nothing new coming from you.

[jimnyc]

Nope. I haven't called anyone stupid. One right they haven't taken away is our right to vote for who we want. Freedom of speech has been stepped all over though. I respect everyone's right to do both.

I've repeatedly stated I understand his appeal to some people. If he becomes the GOP nominee you'll be in line behind ME voting.

What I DON'T like is all this back-biting crap. The Republicans are destroying themselves instead of going after that lard-ass Hillary. When your gameplan doesn't work, you need a new one. These debates and attacking each other crap are self-destructive. They've lost the last two elections using the same failed plan, and lost Congress for awhile because of the same failed plan from the 90s -- empty promises.

But this NOT personal to me and I wish some would not take it that way. I want people to get out and vote against Hillary and I could care less what your reason is. As one of the Republicans said last debate, everyone on that stage was better qualified to be President than her. We can't stand 4-8 more years of Obama.

I wish those against Trump were capable of understanding his positions. And quite frankly, the majority of "back biting" is coming from those who want to call us "trumpies" and other names, implying we don't understand politics, or don't understand the "elephant in the room".

Ive asked this many times now - but will ask again since it's never answered - have other folks who have been putting in support for other GOP candidates been mocked in anyway for doing so? Are they being called similar dumb names? Things being implied about their intelligence? Hell, look at the thread title - see any others similar to this one?

And a lot of the negativity has been coming from folks who I haven't a clue who they are leaning towards supporting, as all of the time is being spent condemning Trump, or those who support him. In fact, it would be downright difficult of me to push back at others for who they support - as I literally haven't seen it, not in a long time anyway.

And if the goal is to prevent Hillary, and Trump isn't qualified as some say - then wouldn't time and effort be better spent on bringing up different candidates and what they can offer our country? None of that really either. I see a lot of Pro-Trump threads/posts. I see a lot of heat towards Trump and/or his supporters. But what I see very little of is other candidates. Some will say that's how it is in and on the media too, that it's ALL about Trump. But here we have a choice, we can post about all of them, not just Trump. But then we see a lot of Trump stuff anyway. No big deal to me, as he's my frontrunner right now, but if I didn't like him, and would prefer to see someone else in office, I would sure as hell be posting an awful lot of stuff about that person!!

[Gunny]

I wish those against Trump were capable of understanding his positions. And quite frankly, the majority of "back biting" is coming from those who want to call us "trumpies" and other names, implying we don't understand politics, or don't understand the "elephant in the room".

Ive asked this many times now - but will ask again since it's never answered - have other folks who have been putting in support for other GOP candidates been mocked in anyway for doing so? Are they being called similar dumb names? Things being implied about their intelligence? Hell, look at the thread title - see any others similar to this one?

And a lot of the negativity has been coming from folks who I haven't a clue who they are leaning towards supporting, as all of the time is being spent condemning Trump, or those who support him. In fact, it would be downright difficult of me to push back at others for who they support - as I literally haven't seen it, not in a long time anyway.

And if the goal is to prevent Hillary, and Trump isn't qualified as some say - then wouldn't time and effort be better spent on bringing up different candidates and what they can offer our country? None of that really either. I see a lot of Pro-Trump threads/posts. I see a lot of heat towards Trump and/or his supporters. But what I see very little of is other candidates. Some will say that's how it is in and on the media too, that it's ALL about Trump. But here we have a choice, we can post about all of them, not just Trump. But then we see a lot of Trump stuff anyway. No big deal to me, as he's my frontrunner right now, but if I didn't like him, and would prefer to see someone else in office, I would sure as hell be posting an awful lot of stuff about that person!!

I thought "Trumpies" was funny, actually. Perhaps some are taking offense where none is intended?

I understand his positions quite well. When he comes up with a plan he can actually accomplish, I'll be the first to agree with it. So far, he can't do a damned thing he's said he can.

Trump's the front-runner at this point in time. You think he's not going to get heat? Just wait until the Clinton Machine gets rolling against him. Hillary has invoked the Bill in her stable. That's going to make it even worse.

The fact is, the actual best qualified for the job have either dropped or are running way behind because they don't make a lot of sensational noise on the evening news. They have made the mistake of trying to run on their successful records as governors of states with proven track history. If I want a developer that can build a hotel/casino, Trump's my guy. If I want a developer that can do a so-called reality show, Trump's my guy. If I want a President and CinC, he ain't it.

[jimnyc]

I understand his positions quite well. When he comes up with a plan he can actually accomplish, I'll be the first to agree with it. So far, he can't do a damned thing he's said he can.

Let's just hit one area then. WHY wouldn't he be able to his plans for the 2nd, why so bad? WHY wouldn't he be able to implement most of his tax plan? What is bad about his VA reforms and why can't he do what he would like to do?

Just those 3 (I know I said one). If he can't do a damned thing he's said, and you've repeated this many times now - just tell why he couldn't do these few things for starters. And please don't say "Well, I didn't mean those things....", as you have stated this many times now. I gotta imagine you have good reasoning for why he can't do these.

[revelarts]

I say you didn't read shit, and then want to comment on what you don't know. You say I'm full of it. Then in the next breath you ask for a link to his plans. You may stand by your points, but on his tax plan you are wrong, dead wrong, and even admitted you didn't read it. Sorry, but sounds like YOU are full of shit.

You admit you haven't read his plans. You are useless to discuss this with, and lazy considering it's ALREADY been posted, both the links many times, and the plans itself in its entirety.

That's intellectually dishonest defined - someone who wants to comment and make points - about something they never even read. Then again, it's also nothing new coming from you.
gibberish.
where are the links.

you often ask me to repost or relink and have even been unable to find what i reference when i link directly to longer docs and i've obliged pointing out specifics for your benefit.
please link to the docs Jim thanks.

and if you don't mind replying to my points mores specifically... and intellectually honestly by more saying more than "you're dead wrong"

the Rich benefit.-- if dead wrong then WHY
taxes are cut for ALL-- if dead wrong then who's taxes aren't cut at all. link to plan or quotes
taxes are cut for corporations --if dead wrong then show me where corporate taxes are RAISED overall.
Trump expects the rich to bring personal and corporate money back home. ---if dead wrong then quote trump saying the Rich will LEAVE money oversea and send MORE money overseas because of his tax plans.

this means the RICH think the Taxes FAVOR them... whoever else it may also help in a small way.
if dead wrong then why do those like Kudlow say otherwise

[jimnyc]

The fact is, the actual best qualified for the job have either dropped or are running way behind because they don't make a lot of sensational noise on the evening news. They have made the mistake of trying to run on their successful records as governors of states with proven track history. If I want a developer that can build a hotel/casino, Trump's my guy. If I want a developer that can do a so-called reality show, Trump's my guy. If I want a President and CinC, he ain't it.

Who are these people? Santorum? Graham? Pataki? And where you championing this person prior? Who is your choice now?

[jimnyc]

gibberish.

You're a waste of time. I won't waste another second on you. I tried and tried, and brought this up for MONTHS. If you're too lazy to go and read things, and then want to post crap while admitting you don't read those things, then go find someone else to run around in circles with.

[revelarts]

You're a waste of time. I won't waste another second on you. I tried and tried, and brought this up for MONTHS. If you're too lazy to go and read things, and then want to post crap while admitting you don't read those things, then go find someone else to run around in circles with.

Well I guess one part of Tailfins title is true... for at least one Trump leaner, you're being LAZY.
can't even take time to link back to your own post that support someone you defend.
but expect me to go the extra mile to lookup YOUR info YOU CLAIM proves me wrong.
and can't even reply to questions with much more than "your wrong"
:laugh:

[Gunny]

Who are these people? Santorum? Graham? Pataki? And where you championing this person prior? Who is your choice now?

In one of the hundreds of threads on the topic. Rick Perry was my first choice. He was an awesome governor. He took us from a deficit to a surplus. He put OUR people on the border Obama wouldn't. In case you haven't noticed, almost every one of these Federal crap rulings has had Texas in the lead disputing them.

Jeb Bush turned Fl around.

Kasich has allegedly turned Ohio around.

I've said good things about all 3. I just don't need to create thread after thread saying the same thing. There's nothing to "champion". The facts stand for themselves. You and a few others need to quit taking it so personally we don't like your candidate. It's the candidate I don't like for the reasons I've stated. However, if the candidate isn't posting on the board, and it's a political debate board, I'm going to give my reasons why not to those that make threads about him/her.

I just don't get why some want to squelch others opinions and make it personal. I don't like Trump and I'm not going to. Got an alligator mouth and a bumblebee ass.

[jimnyc]

or at least one Trump leaner, you're being LAZY.
can't even take time to link back to your own post that support someone you defend.
but expect me to go the extra mile to lookup YOUR info YOU CLAIM proves me wrong.
:laugh:

And yet the stuff has been posted many times. It also takes less than 2 seconds to find it yourself. It would take much less time to type his name into Google than it would for me to keep repeating myself. Besides, if I mentioned and posted his site and stances SO many times before, and obviously you never read it, or failed to comprehend it - WHY would I want to continue wasting my time on it?

Bottom line, you haven't read his plans. At least you admitted it. But I'm not going to go over these things here on the board for MONTHS, and then continue, if you can't be bothered.

But I'm glad you admit that reading a plan, any plans, that you are actually commenting on, would be needing to go the extra mile.

[jimnyc]

I just don't get why some want to squelch others opinions and make it personal. I don't like Trump and I'm not going to. Got an alligator mouth and a bumblebee ass.

Who squelched who's opinion? No one. Folks are defending Trump and his stances. That's not squelching. And I don't see his supporters calling names or doing similar with the choices of others. I've defended against things said about him, or myself - that's it. I talk of Trump, and those he is running against - but you won't find me speaking trash talk about others.

And no offense, really - but perhaps some see the alligator mouth as not yapping, but condemning them as supporters of Trump?

I don't see anyone trying to stop others from posting, or even about Trump in anyway, not even if it's negative. I think the feelings come into play when some turn it from that, into some sort of condemnation or pointing at "Trump supporters".

[Elessar]

I care little for a member's choice for a candidate, unless it is blind support of Clinton.

Choices are why we vote, unlike many countries where the vote is pre-rigged.

In spite of differences, It is what make this Republic strong.

I would just rather see both sides willing to reach across the aisle
and work together, as this system was designed originally.

[Gunny]

And yet the stuff has been posted many times. It also takes less than 2 seconds to find it yourself. It would take much less time to type his name into Google than it would for me to keep repeating myself. Besides, if I mentioned and posted his site and stances SO many times before, and obviously you never read it, or failed to comprehend it - WHY would I want to continue wasting my time on it?

Bottom line, you haven't read his plans. At least you admitted it. But I'm not going to go over these things here on the board for MONTHS, and then continue, if you can't be bothered.

But I'm glad you admit that reading a plan, any plans, that you are actually commenting on, would be needing to go the extra mile.

You need to quit taking this so personally. If you're not Trump, it isn't aimed at you. I bet most of y'all like cake and candy and ice cream and I rarely will even touch the stuff. I think I ate 2 whole candy bars last year. And they were the mini ones.

I don't get why people can't agree to disagree and just move on. And I honestly don't understand the mindset. If I don't like your candidate, who really cares? If I didn't post on this board I'd be totally off the grid. No one cares about what I think in the big picture, nor do I care what they think.

I'm a registered independent. I don't get to vote in the primaries. So other than my opinion on this board, I really don't matter.

[jimnyc]

You need to quit taking this so personally. If you're not Trump, it isn't aimed at you.

It's not taking something personally to expect members here to actually read things IF they plan on getting involved in a thread. I simply expect them to actually read things is all - either that or be told they need to actually read what they are commenting on. That's just common sense, IMO. How can two parties have a valid debate, and an honest debate, if one party admits to not even reading the content being discussed?

[jimnyc]

Ok, back to the OP...

It's not surprising to me, quite frankly. Many ways have been tried to knock Trump off of his perch, and his lead keeps increasing. Many will complain that he gets all of the air time, and therefore others don't of course, and that it helps his overall campaign. But then when going online, I see the folks that can't stand Trump more or less doing the same thing.

For years and years we have heard the slogan "get the vote out", and it seems that this is working perfectly for Trump this cycle. The word is getting out, and even his detractors are helping him.

[Gunny]

Jim you're full of it.
you can't even read through some of my post before you start making snarky comments.

link me to his plans Jim.
maybe i'll read it all or maybe I'll reply to him as you've done to me several time.
"it's gibberish" cause it's got to many facts with links i don't like so it must be wrong:eek:.

but my general points ALL stand.
And you haven't replied to any.

the Rich benefit.
taxes are cut for ALL,
taxes are cut for corporations
Trump expects the rich to bring personal and corporate money back home.
this means the RICH think the Taxes FAVOR them... whoever else it may also help in a small way.

Are those points wrong or right Jim?
or is it to much to read?

This is the crap I'm sick of. It's a microcosm of the GOP. We need to stop squabbling among ourselves and address the actual enemy. It hasn't worked the last two elections so I'm figuring it ain't going to work in the next one. The left is just laughing at us imploding.

[revelarts]

It's not taking something personally to expect members here to actually read things IF they plan on getting involved in a thread. I simply expect them to actually read things is all - either that or be told they need to actually read what they are commenting on. That's just common sense, IMO. How can two parties have a valid debate, and an honest debate, if one party admits to not even reading the content being discussed?
Or if someone won't even read a persons whole post because it's --too long-- but find they can neg comment on it anyway,

or won't answer simply questions WHY based on personal knowledge and their extensive reading instead of telling others to look it up,

or they somehow expect others to have read every word and every link of every post they've made in the past year on a subject,

or can't bring themselves to take the "2 seconds" it'd take to find the specifics on a point THEY MADE months ago and want others to see today.

seems bit lazy and dishonest to me.

Even if someone makes an uninformed comment, just saying "you're wrong" is not a debate at all.
To say it over and over and get pissy about it is even less so.

[revelarts]

This is the crap I'm sick of. It's a microcosm of the GOP. We need to stop squabbling among ourselves and address the actual enemy. It hasn't worked the last two elections so I'm figuring it ain't going to work in the next one. The left is just laughing at us imploding.
Gunny I made points on the TAX plan and Jim didn't reply to ANY of them.
I said I HEARD TRUMP Comment on his Tax plan, and read PARTs of the Plan, and Read and Listened to several analysis of the the Plan.

but as far as Jim is concern unless i've Read THE WHOLE thing I'm completely unqualified to comment.
I stick by my words, Jim's full of crap in THAT reply.

[Gunny]

Ok, back to the OP...

It's not surprising to me, quite frankly. Many ways have been tried to knock Trump off of his perch, and his lead keeps increasing. Many will complain that he gets all of the air time, and therefore others don't of course, and that it helps his overall campaign. But then when going online, I see the folks that can't stand Trump more or less doing the same thing.

For years and years we have heard the slogan "get the vote out", and it seems that this is working perfectly for Trump this cycle. The word is getting out, and even his detractors are helping him.

Here's the deal: Trump isn't going to win because he's not going to get the moderate nor independent vote. If you can't swing those two, you ain't winning. The left on the other hand will show up and vote for the (D) even if it's Daffy Duck. THAT is reality.

Now, on this board and the other, the past two elections I've been all over everyone on the right declaring they aren't voting. So you're barking up the wrong tree on that one. Yes, I think there are/were more qualified people than Trump. He's up in the polls because he's a celebrity, not for any qualification. Regardless, I'll show my ass up and vote for him if he's the candidate just to keep the Dems out. Been down this road before. A LOT of conservatives will just stay home.

We need someone that appeals to all of us, not just the angry segment. No offense, but y'all don't make up enough votes to win shit.

And I STILL revelarts think the personal crap could be kept to a minimum. For someone who is all about Rights, I don't think the snide remarks are called for. I had to change gears on the topic because too many people are way too serious about it and taking shit personally. Doesn't work well with my sense of humor, but that's reality. Might want to consider it.

[jimnyc]

Or if someone won't even read a persons whole post because it's --too long-- but find they can neg comment on it anyway,

or won't answer simply questions WHY based on personal knowledge and their extensive reading instead of telling others to look it up,

or they somehow expect others to have read every word and every link of every post they've made in the past year on a subject,

or can't bring themselves to take the "2 seconds" it'd take to find the specifics on a point THEY MADE months ago and want others to see today.

seems bit lazy and dishonest to me.

Even if someone makes an uninformed comment, just saying "you're wrong" is not a debate at all.
To say it over and over and get pissy about it is even less so.

Again, you're a waste of my time, 'tard.

[jimnyc]

Gunny I made points on the TAX plan and Jim didn't reply to ANY of them.
I said I HEARD TRUMP Comment on his Tax plan, and read PARTs of the Plan, and Read and Listened to several analysis of the the Plan.

but as far as Jim is concern unless i've Read THE WHOLE thing I'm completely unqualified to comment.
I stick by my words, Jim's full of crap in THAT reply.

Bye Bye. Get the hint, I made a mistake in wasting my time on the likes of you. Won't happen again.

[jimnyc]

Here's the deal: Trump isn't going to win because he's not going to get the moderate nor independent vote. If you can't swing those two, you ain't winning. The left on the other hand will show up and vote for the (D) even if it's Daffy Duck. THAT is reality.

Now, on this board and the other, the past two elections I've been all over everyone on the right declaring they aren't voting. So you're barking up the wrong tree on that one. Yes, I think there are/were more qualified people than Trump. He's up in the polls because he's a celebrity, not for any qualification. Regardless, I'll show my ass up and vote for him if he's the candidate just to keep the Dems out. Been down this road before. A LOT of conservatives will just stay home.

We need someone that appeals to all of us, not just the angry segment. No offense, but y'all don't make up enough votes to win shit.

And I STILL @revelarts (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1760) think the personal crap could be kept to a minimum. For someone who is all about Rights, I don't think the snide remarks are called for. I had to change gears on the topic because too many people are way too serious about it and taking shit personally. Doesn't work well with my sense of humor, but that's reality. Might want to consider it.

Rev has been angered at everyone ever since he was put in his place about his rants with the "black lives matter" fake crap, and how the white man police are out to get rid of the dark man. Tough shit on him if he doesn't like it.

Why the separation? Why say things like "ya'll don't make up enough votes...", which sounds like stripping us into 2 different sides, and likely where some see it as posts against them, and not always Trump. Sometimes it sounds like the Gop is being broken into 2 places as a result. And from where I'm standing, I see almost every person that supports Trump, state that they would also support the winner if it's not him. In other words, the division surely isn't coming from Trump supporters for simply supporting him.

[Gunny]

Here's another thing jimnyc ... all us old farts that make dust look young remember Jimmy Carter. He was an independent as Governor of Georgia and ran as Dem for President. He didn't have the support of the party he ran for and we all kind of know how that presidency turned out.

Trump doesn't have the support of the average GOP nerd. He's not a company boy, something as a developer, he should understand. He's going to have minimal support at best.

What WE need to do as a people -- the ones mentioned in the Constitution -- is get rid of these pussies in Congress. We elected these Republican'ts to sign off on Obama's Omnibus Bill?

[jimnyc]

Here's another thing @jimnyc (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1) ... all us old farts that make dust look young remember Jimmy Carter. He was an independent as Governor of Georgia and ran as Dem for President. He didn't have the support of the party he ran for and we all kind of know how that presidency turned out.

Trump doesn't have the support of the average GOP nerd. He's not a company boy, something as a developer, he should understand. He's going to have minimal support at best.

What WE need to do as a people -- the ones mentioned in the Constitution -- is get rid of these pussies in Congress. We elected these Republican'ts to sign off on Obama's Omnibus Bill?

Congress should go first, no argument here. Every single one of them sucks from my vantage point.

But as far as the gop is concerned, and Trump getting in or not - people better start standing to be heard, as all I hear is Trump positive stuff, or Trump negative stuff - neither of which alone will defeat him.

[Gunny]

Congress should go first, no argument here. Every single one of them sucks from my vantage point.

But as far as the gop is concerned, and Trump getting in or not - people better start standing to be heard, as all I hear is Trump positive stuff, or Trump negative stuff - neither of which alone will defeat him.

My point is this ... he's writing checks he can't cash. I've been one of the first to say I can see his appeal.

The problem with people standing to be heard is they're all at work providing tax dollars for those that don't. If I hated your guts and I'm up from 5AM to Midnight 6 days a week, I ain't spending any of my time marching around in the street like an idiot protesting you. These leftwingers living off our money have nothing else to do. I can't imagine marching through the streets bitching about a situation I created.

I'm not necessarily negative on Trump and that's one of the reasons I created that thread about Civilian Speak in the military forum. I process info differently than you do.

I honestly believe unless someone breaks out of the pack, Billary's our next President. But I know from leading a company that everyone has to be on the same page. And we haven't been since 08. The results speak for themselves. What I post on the board is not meant as a personal attack, but discussing the merit of the situation. Criticizing someone's candidate is NOT a personal attack. I look at it like a chess board. Next move.

I want a candidate like Reagan. He appealed to everyone. We don't have one of those. Meanwhile, the left is going to line up and vote (d) no matter what. You put a team together and you put up a united front.

Y'all make fun of us vets, but screw with one of us. You should be on a ship with 2k Marines all young and dumb and full of cum and want to take out the Gunny. But when that bird touched ground we were a team.

[revelarts]

Bye Bye. Get the hint, I made a mistake in wasting my time on the likes of you. Won't happen again.
sure If you had something of substance to say other than name calling, and posting informative post like "you're wrong" then i might actually miss something.

[jimnyc]

My point is this ... he's writing checks he can't cash. I've been one of the first to say I can see his appeal.

The problem with people standing to be heard is they're all at work providing tax dollars for those that don't. If I hated your guts and I'm up from 5AM to Midnight 6 days a week, I ain't spending any of my time marching around in the street like an idiot protesting you. These leftwingers living off our money have nothing else to do. I can't imagine marching through the streets bitching about a situation I created.

I'm not necessarily negative on Trump and that's one of the reasons I created that thread about Civilian Speak in the military forum. I process info differently than you do.

I honestly believe unless someone breaks out of the pack, Billary's our next President. But I know from leading a company that everyone has to be on the same page. And we haven't been since 08. The results speak for themselves. What I post on the board is not meant as a personal attack, but discussing the merit of the situation. Criticizing someone's candidate is NOT a personal attack. I look at it like a chess board. Next move.

I want a candidate like Reagan. He appealed to everyone. We don't have one of those. Meanwhile, the left is going to line up and vote (d) no matter what. You put a team together and you put up a united front.

Y'all make fun of us vets, but screw with one of us. You should be on a ship with 2k Marines all young and dumb and full of cum and want to take out the Gunny. But when that bird touched ground we were a team.

The only thing I can say then, if Hillary is destined for the WH, folks better start standing up and speaking up!! I'm doing the best I can as one person, I like them all.

[jimnyc]

sure If you had something of substance to say other than name calling, and posting informative post like "you're wrong" then i might actually miss something.

Then ignore my posts, and certainly don't reply to them. There sure are a lot of other posts in this thread, and other threads, and yet you choose mine to reply to. Maybe as a new years resolution for yourself, perhaps you can make changes to that approach and bypass any posts you see from me. From what I hear, it's not even as difficult as quitting smoking. But for some more obsessed, they may find it difficult.

If all I do is post crap as you imply, then ENSURE you miss that stuff. C'mon, you can do it!!

[revelarts]

don't post my name then
Rev has been angered at everyone ever since ....
. Got any links to my exact words to prove this so called "anger" of mine at "everyone" or do you just like to make stuff up.
Seems It's just another form of your name calling "debate" technique.
Don't "waste you time" trying to paint me in a negative light just because you can't/won't defend your lame post in this thread Jim.

[Gunny]

The only thing I can say then, if Hillary is destined for the WH, folks better start standing up and speaking up!! I'm doing the best I can as one person, I like them all.

I don't have a problem with you having a different opinion. Not like we haven't disagreed over the years. As I've said, I came back to this board so I don't have to fight. I don't want to. I don't have the time nor inclination. You KNOW if I'm pushed into one, I will. But I choose my battles. This isn't one. I just state the facts as I see them. It's not a personal assault on my part.

I'm bored shitless and usually have a baby cradled in one arm. If my leg wasn't jacked up and I could go to work you wouldn't be seeing me much. I'd much rather be making $20 an hour than talking about Donald Trump. And I think they pay even more in this state. Daddy Daycare wasn't exactly the position I was looking for.

[jimnyc]

don't post my name then. Got any links to my exact words to prove this so called "anger" of mine at "everyone" or do you just like to make stuff up.
Seems It's just another form of your name calling "debate" technique.
Don't "waste you time" trying to paint me in a negative light just because you can't/won't defend your lame post in this thread Jim.

You don't get hints I suppose. Fuck off, illiterate.

[jimnyc]

I don't have a problem with you having a different opinion. Not like we haven't disagreed over the years. As I've said, I came back to this board so I don't have to fight. I don't want to. I don't have the time nor inclination. You KNOW if I'm pushed into one, I will. But I choose my battles. This isn't one. I just state the facts as I see them. It's not a personal assault on my part.

I'm bored shitless and usually have a baby cradled in one arm. If my leg wasn't jacked up and I could go to work you wouldn't be seeing me much. I'd much rather be making $20 an hour than talking about Donald Trump. And I think they pay even more in this state. Daddy Daycare wasn't exactly the position I was looking for.

Nor am I. I only respond in kind. Nor do I ever carry over any feelings to other threads, usually, as you know. I can go at it within politics and then happily discuss sports 30 seconds later. When I discuss candidates or other sensitive issues, especially if it might pertain to other members posting with me, I'll do my best to write in a manner that points at the candidate, not the supporters. I suppose everyone writes differently, and of course others perceive things differently. I don't see that big of a deal either way, other than if the crap then becomes the theme for some in many threads, even on different subjects. I also think a portion of the sensitivity comes from the fact that most here like one another. Smaller things feel harsher I suppose.

[Gunny]

don't post my name then. Got any links to my exact words to prove this so called "anger" of mine at "everyone" or do you just like to make stuff up.
Seems It's just another form of your name calling "debate" technique.
Don't "waste you time" trying to paint me in a negative light just because you can't/won't defend your lame post in this thread Jim.

You're a lightweight, rev. Jim calling you angry is a compliment. Now if you want to look up MY posts across 3-5 boards, you can find angry. If I wasn't pissed off I probably wouldn't wake up.

We got a LONG way to go. Being at each others' throats for the next 12 months ain't quite going to cut it. But this thread is a perfect example of what I've been saying all along -- in the guise of Trump this time, conservatives have split themselves and spend more time focusing on each other than the enemy. The result is look who our President is?

Maybe we ought to focus on the bad guys? I don't care about discussing candidates among ourselves, but in the end, we need to get our shit together or I'm moving to somewhere else.

[aboutime]

sure If you had something of substance to say other than name calling, and posting informative post like "you're wrong" then i might actually miss something.



rev. As I have tried to explain to your deaf ears since I came here to be bothered by your posts. YOU are proving exactly what everyone has been saying about you, and your endless denials, bunched with your self-arrogance that insists everyone else is wrong about you...SAYS IT ALL.

You sound like a typical liberal, whining, crybaby who follows the liberal tactics of intentionally belittling others, then instantly..Like all Democrats...sticking an "I'm sorry", or apology for what you meant to say.

Your problem is. You are convinced; nobody here recognizes that tactic. So much so. I doubt you would be sincere by wishing any of us a HAPPY NEW YEAR. Just as I would be a hypocrite like you...if I did.

[PixieStix]

Just goes to show..."both" sides have Problems....and it also goes to show Americans need something different (someone in reality who is actually neither side)...a HARD right turn to American values ....to takes us back from the Hard left turn that has been a proven Failure...

Trump / Cruz 2016

But the world wants us to become more diverse, so much so that the American culture completely disappears. This is the part that many do not get about Donald Trump. They do not get that we love our country and do not want it to turn into United States of Coffee colored people. Making white Christians extinct in America. I am not a racist and I am not a bigot. I want to be able to go to Europe and see that France still has the French culture and history. If I want to practice sharia law, I will do so in one of the middle eastern countries. Let people have their diversity. But get on a plane and have at it. White male, white female conservatives, and Christians are on the number 1 hit list for the left.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCiKDuJlpuI

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

But the world wants us to become more diverse, so much so that the American culture completely disappears. This is the part that many do not get about Donald Trump. They do not get that we love our country and do not want it to turn into United States of Coffee colored people. Making white Christians extinct in America. I am not a racist and I am not a bigot. I want to be able to go to Europe and see that France still has the French culture and history. If I want to practice sharia law, I will do so in one of the middle eastern countries. Let people have their diversity. But get on a plane and have at it. White male, white female conservatives, and Christians are on the number 1 hit list for the left.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCiKDuJlpuI

Add the word, Southern to that list and you've hit the bonanza load that they shoot at!!
Yet we Southerners say to those ffing weasels , come on down boys and girls and let just see who shoots the fastest and the straightest!
I've been shooting guns since age 6.... and do not need lazer sights, mine are always there, always on, sit right below my eyebrows. -Tyr

[Gunny]

Gunny I made points on the TAX plan and Jim didn't reply to ANY of them.
I said I HEARD TRUMP Comment on his Tax plan, and read PARTs of the Plan, and Read and Listened to several analysis of the the Plan.

but as far as Jim is concern unless i've Read THE WHOLE thing I'm completely unqualified to comment.
I stick by my words, Jim's full of crap in THAT reply.

I missed this one. I don't speak for Jim. He can address what he wants to and I don't think he's run it across my desk for permission in the 14 years I've known him. My stance on Trump has been made clear. Anyone that wants to argue it with me can.

What I WON'T do if I can help it is get into these personal pissing contests over who likes who. This is full circle for me and a few others. I started posting on political message boards to debate politcs back when you could actually do that. They've all turned into battlegrounds where people just attack others and I got caught up in it as much or more than anyone else has. I've been at it with Jim and Darin before you ever came along in some really heated crap. And I'm as vicious as it gets.

If I want to fight, Jackson's Gym where Holly What's Her name that beat the crap out of Rhonda Rousey trains is 4 blocks from here. I can go get my butt kicked by a girl.

Someone else stated this before: we're all adults here. We can act like it instead of behaving like we're at recess in the 4th grade. I'm trained by the best to see things a certain way and divide and conquer works EVERY time. I don't want to be caught up in it. The core group here has known each other for over a decade and we have to get along when it's over, win, lose or draw.

What people need to do is step back and take a breath. I offend people when I'm just making fun because I have a military sense of humor. We'll make fun of you for getting shot. My GF thinks I'm the a-hole from Hell. But this happens EVERY election. Some people need to settle down.