The LAW says Trump can keep Muslims out

[reason10]

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm

(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm)(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.


(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm)

[Drummond]

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm

(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm)(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.


(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm)

Excellent !

So, what's stopping Obama, then (.. how's that for a stupid question) ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Excellent !

So, what's stopping Obama, then (.. how's that for a stupid question) ?

What's stopping him???
Orders from his handlers(globalists) that are allied with the muslims to destroy the might and power of this great nation, thats what.
AND HIS SWORN MUSLIM FAITH AND HIDDEN JIHAD HE HIMSELF WAGES ON ALL OF US !!-TYR

[PixieStix]

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm

(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm)(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.


(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm)

Thank you :clap:

[PixieStix]

And by the way. The last 3 Presidents deportations of illegals

Click on pic

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8106&stc=1

(https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2015/12/clinton-deported-4-times-as-many-illegal-aliens-as-obama)

[Elessar]

Excellent !

So, what's stopping Obama, then (.. how's that for a stupid question) ?

Simple....he is a Liberal Community Organizer (what the f*** ever that is),
and not a national or world leader.

[Black Diamond]

Simple....he is a Liberal Community Organizer (what the f*** ever that is),
and not a national or world leader.

You're way too kind

[revelarts]

Obamacare is "legal"
blanket spying on U.S. citizens is "legal"
killing U.S. citizens without trial is "legal"
jailing people without trial is "legal"
homosexual marriage is "legal"
Jailing people who refuse to bake a cake for them for religious reasons is "legal"

but is any of that really constitutional?
it's just a political play for votes and it's not going to make us any safer.

religious discrimination is not something conservatives should be endorsing, much less applauding.
what goes around comes around folks.

[jimnyc]

Obamacare is "legal"
blanket spying on U.S. citizens is "legal"
killing U.S. citizens without trial is "legal"
jailing people without trial is "legal"
homosexual marriage is "legal"
Jailing people who refuse to bake a cake for them for religious reasons is "legal"

but is any of that really constitutional?
it's just a political play for votes and it's not going to make us any safer.

religious discrimination is not something conservatives should be endorsing, much less applauding.
what goes around comes around folks.

Are you saying the code in the OP is unconstitutional?

[revelarts]

Are you saying the code in the OP is unconstitutional?
are you putting words in my mouth by asking a question?
I'd say no, you didn't.
it's a valid question. when people make short statements they often tend to imply things, raise the questions to clarify reasons and how FAR somethings are applied.
I'm not sure why people seem to be sorta riled up when I do EXACTLY what you just did Jim.

But to answer your question.
I think that discriminating base on religion is very much unconstitutional.
so for any president to try to apply "class" in the law to a religion is unconstitutional.

they same as if he banned the "class" of all Jews.

[jimnyc]

But to answer your question.
I think that discriminating base on religion is very much unconstitutional.
so for any president to try to apply "class" in the law to a religion is unconstitutional.

I would disagree with that. I see no reason as to why this code should be nullified. At least not until such time that someone would perhaps challenge it, and maybe the SCOTUS shoots it down. How would it be unconstitutional for a president to utilize such code that is currently on the books?

I'll have to do some research on this one. I see that 1182 has been referenced in some SCOTUS decisions. I don't think they would use this code to uphold or deny cases in front of them if it were unconstitutional.

[jimnyc]

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/576/13-1402/
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/04pdf/03-878.pdf
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/osg/briefs/2005/01/01/2005-0148.resp.pdf
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-1402_e29g.pdf
http://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2430&context=llr
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1447174.html

I have not read any of these in detail yet. These seem to just be cases that reference that code. I will start to read them now.

[fj1200]

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm

(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm)(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.


(https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm)

If it is unconstitutional to discriminate on the basis of religion then to suspend immigration solely on religion would be unconstitutional.

[Perianne]

If it is unconstitutional to discriminate on the basis of religion then to suspend immigration solely on religion would be unconstitutional.

Since when do foreigners have a constitutional right to immigrate here?

[Black Diamond]

Since when do foreigners have a constitutional right to immigrate here?

They don't. Question is can we discriminate against them based on religion or race.

[fj1200]

Since when do foreigners have a constitutional right to immigrate here?

We have laws that we place on ourselves.

[revelarts]

We have laws that we place on ourselves.
exactly, the constitution is set up to constrain what the gov't can do not what the people --all people-- have the rights to do.
And our gov't is constrained from discriminating based on religion.

Just ask yourself, is it OK to ban all Jews?

[Perianne]

exactly, the constitution is set up to constrain what the gov't can do not what the people --all people-- have the rights to do.
And our gov't is constrained from discriminating based on religion.

Just ask yourself, is it OK to ban all Jews?

No one seems to have a problem banning white people. Look at the present races of immigrants. We have gone from a white nation to one of increasingly colored people.

[Black Diamond]

exactly, the constitution is set up to constrain what the gov't can do not what the people --all people-- have the rights to do.
And our gov't is constrained from discriminating based on religion.

Just ask yourself, is it OK to ban all Jews?
We aren't at war with Jews.

[Black Diamond]

If it is unconstitutional to discriminate on the basis of religion then to suspend immigration solely on religion would be unconstitutional.

It's unconstitutional go discriminate based on religion or race. Except when it isn't.

[fj1200]

It's unconstitutional go discriminate based on religion or race. Except when it isn't.

Maybe so. But just to say that the LAW says one thing is ignorant on its face.

[Drummond]

Maybe so. But just to say that the LAW says one thing is ignorant on its face.

Finding a means of defending Muslims, FJ ?

Here's a thought for this thread. I don't think discriminating against a religion is particularly (if at all) relevant. A couple of points on that ... one, consider that Trump only asked for a temporary ban, also, two, that it was done not as an act of discrimination, but as an intended security-enhancing measure. Finally, Trump said the point of his request was to get to the bottom of 'what the hell was going on' .. MEANING, that a process of assessment and review was the intention (which defies any accusation of any blanket ban done for the sake of it, and being unanswerable to examination !).

Since when was it against American law to conduct a security review, AND to take precautionary measures against aggressors at a time of war ?

It's not exactly a secret that the terrorism America and the West faces has its roots in Islamic 'inspiration', shall we say. Does America's law require security services to blind themselves to that ?

I'd be astonished if the answer is 'YES' !

Final point. All this resistance to Trump's idea ... if we're being candid, is the REAL reason for it, a fear of what such a thoroughly-conducted review might reveal, and embarrassingly for the Left, PUBLICLY and IRREFUTABLY so ?

[fj1200]

Finding a means of defending Muslims, FJ ?

This is actually a question of law and the Constitution. I can see where you're confused.

[jimnyc]

Official announcement!! LOL Trump made this statement about keeping Muslims out. Therefore those discussing it, you're not really discussing it. :lol:

[Drummond]

This is actually a question of law and the Constitution. I can see where you're confused.

It's also a matter of understanding precisely what was intended, rather than re-perceiving this in accordance with a Leftie-convenient description, FJ.

See ....

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?53037-The-LAW-says-Trump-can-keep-Muslims-out&p=786840#post786840

[fj1200]

See ....

Your leftie ignorance is not the subject of the thread.

[fj1200]

Official announcement!! LOL Trump made this statement about keeping Muslims out. Therefore those discussing it, you're not really discussing it. :lol:

I thought this thread was about the law in question. :poke:

[revelarts]

It's unconstitutional go discriminate based on religion or race. Except when it isn't.


"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
William J. Clinton

"When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal."
Richard M. Nixon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJS51d1Fzg

[reason10]

Checking out the dates here, it appears I've been away for a LONG time.
Truthfully I don't remember coming here before. That's how long it has been.

[Drummond]

Checking out the dates here, it appears I've been away for a LONG time.
Truthfully I don't remember coming here before. That's how long it has been.

Strange ... this forum should be unforgettable.

Do you really, for example, not recall my epic feuds with my, ahem, 'arch Nemesis', FJ1200 ?? :rolleyes::laugh::laugh:

No matter ... you're back now, this is what counts. Welcome, & enjoy !;)

[Evmetro]

Checking out the dates here, it appears I've been away for a LONG time.
Truthfully I don't remember coming here before. That's how long it has been.

You might as well stick around, now that you are here, right?