Russia says 'destroyed' Syria rebels in area where jet brought down

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-destroyed-syria-rebels-area-where-jet-174019543.html


Russia says 'destroyed' Syria rebels in area where jet brought down



Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Thursday said its forces had wiped out Syrian rebel groups operating in the area where one of its jets was brought down, unleashing a huge bombardment after rescuing a pilot.

"As soon as our pilot was safe, Russian bombers and artillery of the Syrian government forces carried out massive strikes in the indicated area for an extended period," military official Igor Konashenkov told Russian news agencies.

"The terrorists operating in that area and other mysterious groups were destroyed," he said.

Konashenkov added that the Russian strikes helped Syrian ground forces take control of the mountainous area in the north of the Latakia province.

Turkey on Tuesday shot down a Russian jet in northern Syria alleging that it had crossed over into its air space and sparking a war of words with Moscow.

One pilot that parachuted out was later rescued by Russian and Syrian special forces, while a second pilot from the jet and a soldier sent to rescue him were killed by rebels on the ground.

The defence ministry said Thursday that it had deployed its advanced S-400 air defence system at the Russian airbase in Syria to ensure the security of its warplanes, which have been bombing the war-torn country since September 30.

Konashenkov said that over the past three days its jets carried out 134 combat sorties over the war-torn country and struck 449 targets in the Aleppo, Damascus, Idlib, Latakia, Hama, Homs, Raqa and Deir Ezzor provinces.


Bravo!!!!! Please do kill more of the murdering muslim vermin....

See that, thats how you truly hit an enemy, not the lying fake shat the obama has been running and fooling this nation with. -Tyr

[Drummond]

Russia says 'destroyed' Syria rebels in area where jet brought down



Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Thursday said its forces had wiped out Syrian rebel groups operating in the area where one of its jets was brought down, unleashing a huge bombardment after rescuing a pilot.

"As soon as our pilot was safe, Russian bombers and artillery of the Syrian government forces carried out massive strikes in the indicated area for an extended period," military official Igor Konashenkov told Russian news agencies.

"The terrorists operating in that area and other mysterious groups were destroyed," he said.

Konashenkov added that the Russian strikes helped Syrian ground forces take control of the mountainous area in the north of the Latakia province.

Turkey on Tuesday shot down a Russian jet in northern Syria alleging that it had crossed over into its air space and sparking a war of words with Moscow.

One pilot that parachuted out was later rescued by Russian and Syrian special forces, while a second pilot from the jet and a soldier sent to rescue him were killed by rebels on the ground.

The defence ministry said Thursday that it had deployed its advanced S-400 air defence system at the Russian airbase in Syria to ensure the security of its warplanes, which have been bombing the war-torn country since September 30.

Konashenkov said that over the past three days its jets carried out 134 combat sorties over the war-torn country and struck 449 targets in the Aleppo, Damascus, Idlib, Latakia, Hama, Homs, Raqa and Deir Ezzor provinces.


Bravo!!!!! Please do kill more of the murdering muslim vermin....

See that, thats how you truly hit an enemy, not the lying fake shat the obama has been running and fooling this nation with. -Tyr

Naturally, I'm all for this.

However, toleration of unbidden and unsanctioned invasions of NATO territory shouldn't also be a part of the package !

Russia is busily following its own agenda. ITS OWN agenda. This needs to be remembered.

[Jeff]

Naturally, I'm all for this.

However, toleration of unbidden and unsanctioned invasions of NATO territory shouldn't also be a part of the package !

Russia is busily following its own agenda. ITS OWN agenda. This needs to be remembered.

Seems like it ought to be everyone's agenda to rid the world of this vermin, if our President would rather stir the racial pot at home, than Kudos to a leader that actually leads, and leads to win.

[Drummond]

Seems like it ought to be everyone's agenda to rid the world of this vermin, if our President would rather stir the racial pot at home, than Kudos to a leader that actually leads, and leads to win.

...and, broadly speaking, I agree.

But does this mean that, 'for the duration', Russia can take liberties against NATO security ? Whatever your view on Turkey, they ARE a part of NATO, and the jet did violate NATO airspace .. AND completely ignored Turkey telling them to stop.

What if Russia said, OK, we have the power to rid the world of ISIS, and make the West measurably more secure against Islamic terrorism. Would that, then, in return, entitle them to say that, in 'payment', a NATO territory of their choice should cease to expect any rights or protections written into the very fabric of what NATO exists to defend ?

I for one am not 'into' paying Mafia-like protection fees. You don't dispense with principle because a rival power just wants to flex its military muscle in a manner you just happen to like at the time.

[LongTermGuy]

...and, broadly speaking, I agree.

But does this mean that, 'for the duration', Russia can take liberties against NATO security ? Whatever your view on Turkey, they ARE a part of NATO, and the jet did violate NATO airspace .. AND completely ignored Turkey telling them to stop.

What if Russia said, OK, we have the power to rid the world of ISIS, and make the West measurably more secure against Islamic terrorism. Would that, then, in return, entitle them to say that, in 'payment', a NATO territory of their choice should cease to expect any rights or protections written into the very fabric of what NATO exists to defend ?

I for one am not 'into' paying Mafia-like protection fees. You don't dispense with principle because a rival power just wants to flex its military muscle in a manner you just happen to like at the time.


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Then the socialists (Liberals) who approved it messed up bad (and to stupid to realize it)......Like they are doing all over Europe Appeasing muslims thinking they can be part of humanity....and we all see where it got them...I know you see that....It is what it is Socialist / Liberal stupidity....

*Muslims in NATO? what a Joke.....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

...and, broadly speaking, I agree.

But does this mean that, 'for the duration', Russia can take liberties against NATO security ? Whatever your view on Turkey, they ARE a part of NATO, and the jet did violate NATO airspace .. AND completely ignored Turkey telling them to stop.

What if Russia said, OK, we have the power to rid the world of ISIS, and make the West measurably more secure against Islamic terrorism. Would that, then, in return, entitle them to say that, in 'payment', a NATO territory of their choice should cease to expect any rights or protections written into the very fabric of what NATO exists to defend ?

I for one am not 'into' paying Mafia-like protection fees. You don't dispense with principle because a rival power just wants to flex its military muscle in a manner you just happen to like at the time.

Those are two separate issues my friend. Russia hitting ISIS and the provocative way they've always tested air space . They've only been doing the provocative air space testing for 50+ years now.....
The ISIS hitting does the entire world a favor.. And gives me such great cheer!--Tyr

[Drummond]

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~ "Whatever your <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">view (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#)</nobr> on Turkey, they ARE a part of NATO" ~


Then the socialists (Liberals) who approved it messed up bad (and to stupid to realize it)......Like they are doing all over Europe Appeasing muslims thinking they can be part of humanity....and we all see where it got them...I know you see that....It is what it is Socialist / Liberal stupidity....

*Muslims in NATO? what a Joke.....



I agree.

Turkey's location has strategic importance .. it has had, certainly ever since the days of the Cuban missile crisis, back in '62, I believe. Other than that, I can't think of any good reason for Turkey being in NATO.

This doesn't change the fact that they are, and so have every right to expect what comes with such membership. I'd have thought this includes support for the obvious principle that NATO airspace must NOT be violated by a rival power !

Anyone caring to argue otherwise, might care to supply a list of 'second class' territories who are somehow not deserving of the rights which membership of NATO confers.

[Drummond]

Those are two separate issues my friend. Russia hitting ISIS and the provocative way they've always tested air space . They've only been doing the provocative air space testing for 50+ years now.....

As long as that, Tyr ?

Then isn't it about time that they STOPPED ???


The ISIS hitting does the entire world a favor.. And gives me such great cheer!--Tyr

Likewise, Tyr. I'm fully on board on that. Just not so completely so, that I'm prepared to look the other way when they act in a manner NOT consistent with that of an ally.

Russia violated Turkish, therefore NATO, airspace. They've lied about it subsequently. They're even intent upon punishing a NATO member, for acting to protect their territory.

Does NATO accept that its members should receive punishment for defending themselves from unbidden, unauthorised incursions ?

Aggressors do not respect weakness, Tyr.

[Jeff]

As long as that, Tyr ?

Then isn't it about time that they STOPPED ???



Likewise, Tyr. I'm fully on board on that. Just not so completely so, that I'm prepared to look the other way when they act in a manner NOT consistent with that of an ally.

Russia violated Turkish, therefore NATO, airspace. They've lied about it subsequently. They're even intent upon punishing a NATO member, for acting to protect their territory.

Does NATO accept that its members should receive punishment for defending themselves from unbidden, unauthorised incursions ?

Aggressors do not respect weakness, Tyr.

Well now Drummond, we all know they are a bunch of communist bastards but to see them pound ISIS is a good thing, as far as anything past that, they are still a bunch of communist. :laugh:

[Jeff]

And this shows me that the leader's of Turkey aren't the brightest bunch either. Yup they are telling Russia not to play with fire. :laugh:






Turkey is a special kind of stupid. They are trying to cause a war. This will split up NATO and Turkey will be on its own in a battle that they don’t stand a chance in.


Check it out:
Turkey’s president Tayyip Erdogan on Friday warned Vladimir Putin not to “play with fire” as their war of words continued to escalate over the downing of a jet.
In a speech broadcast live on television, Erdogan added he does not want to harm relations with Moscow and hopes to meet the Russian President at a climate conference in Paris next week, Reuters reported.



http://conservativebyte.com/2015/11/turkey-warns-putin-not-to-play-with-fire/

[Gunny]

I agree.

Turkey's location has strategic importance .. it has had, certainly ever since the days of the Cuban missile crisis, back in '62, I believe. Other than that, I can't think of any good reason for Turkey being in NATO.

This doesn't change the fact that they are, and so have every right to expect what comes with such membership. I'd have thought this includes support for the obvious principle that NATO airspace must NOT be violated by a rival power !

Anyone caring to argue otherwise, might care to supply a list of 'second class' territories who are somehow not deserving of the rights which membership of NATO confers.

Turkey is part of NATO in its own self-interest. They have been since the beginning of the Cold War. It was also in OUR interest to have listening posts right next door to Russia. It is strategically important because it bridges Asia and Europe.

[Drummond]

Well now Drummond, we all know they are a bunch of communist bastards but to see them pound ISIS is a good thing, as far as anything past that, they are still a bunch of communist. :laugh:

... and still a potential enemy. And, if they're not, well ... then, there shouldn't be any possibility of their being caught up in any actions suggesting otherwise. Should there ?

Russia and the West have common cause in seeing ISIS smashed. I ask: will that be the end of the story, and the full extent of Russia's ambitions ?

I suppose time will tell on that one.

[Gunny]

... and still a potential enemy. And, if they're not, well ... then, there shouldn't be any possibility of their being caught up in any actions suggesting otherwise. Should there ?

Russia and the West have common cause in seeing ISIS smashed. I ask: will that be the end of the story, and the full extent of Russia's ambitions ?

I suppose time will tell on that one.

Russia has ALWAYS been hostile to us. Tsarist Russia was pulling crap on us in the 1800s. Doesn't matter what they call themselves nor what government is in power.

[Drummond]

And this shows me that the leader's of Turkey aren't the brightest bunch either. Yup they are telling Russia not to play with fire. :laugh:




http://conservativebyte.com/2015/11/turkey-warns-putin-not-to-play-with-fire/

But aren't they making some degree of sense ? Turkey doesn't simply stand on its own authority on this. As a NATO member, they've recourse to officially get NATO involved in the matter of violation of NATO territory ! That they haven't made such official moves yet, doesn't mean that they're incapable of it. Should NATO, in that scenario, not support Turkey .. that, too, brings its own consequences.

Russia is the aggressor in all this - there surely can't be any doubt of it.

Russia having passed its flight INTENTIONS across to the US, isn't the same as saying that this is what they DID, on the day. What they 'did', according to Russia, was (a) never threaten Turkish airspace with an incursion, (b) were NOT subjected to any warning broadcasts from Turkey, and (c) had a plane shot down for no good reason.

Putin says he can prove that no straying into NATO airspace ever happened. But WHERE IS that proof ?

As for Turkey, they've provided clear evidence of multiple warnings having been transmitted to the plane. And as this link will show, there's independent confirmation of those broadcasts:

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/24/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane-near-syrian-border.html


A U.S. military spokesperson confirmed later that Turkey had warned the Russian pilots repeatedly before it was shot down, and had received no response.

Either that's true, or it isn't. The Russian position has been to deny that transmissions were ever made. Do we 'believe' the Russians, out of a need for diplomatic and operational expediency, or, should the TRUTH count for something ??

[Drummond]

Russia has ALWAYS been hostile to us. Tsarist Russia was pulling crap on us in the 1800s. Doesn't matter what they call themselves nor what government is in power.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Gunny]

But aren't they making some degree of sense ? Turkey doesn't simply stand on its own authority on this. As a NATO member, they've recourse to officially get NATO involved in the matter of violation of NATO territory ! That they haven't made such official moves yet, doesn't mean that they're incapable of it. Should NATO, in that scenario, not support Turkey .. that, too, brings its own consequences.

Russia is the aggressor in all this - there surely can't be any doubt of it.

Russia having passed its flight INTENTIONS across to the US, isn't the same as saying that this is what they DID, on the day. What they 'did', according to Russia, was (a) never threaten Turkish airspace with an incursion, (b) were NOT subjected to any warning broadcasts from Turkey, and (c) had a plane shot down for no good reason.

Putin says he can prove that no straying into NATO airspace ever happened. But WHERE IS that proof ?

As for Turkey, they've provided clear evidence of multiple warnings having been transmitted to the plane. And as this link will show, there's independent confirmation of those broadcasts:

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/24/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane-near-syrian-border.html



Either that's true, or it isn't. The Russian position has been to deny that transmissions were ever made. Do we 'believe' the Russians, out of a need for diplomatic and operational expediency, or, should the TRUTH count for something ??

Turkey isn't going to ask for NATO help unless Russia invades; which I doubt will happen. It's a member of NATO because it did not have the ability to stand up to the USSR during the Cold War. And when you say NATO, there were only US troops in Turkey during that time. And note, they're not quite REAL stupid. WE can use their airspace and have Air Force personnel their still. They aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And this shows me that the leader's of Turkey aren't the brightest bunch either. Yup they are telling Russia not to play with fire. :laugh:




http://conservativebyte.com/2015/11/turkey-warns-putin-not-to-play-with-fire/

YES, the climate god at the all powerful globalist climate conference will heal anything!
Yes, its just that important to save planet earth! :puke3:
Islamic Caliphate-- guys. Seems Turkey may want to head it and is attempting to project great power in that bid.
A bid to counter the Islamic caliphate power struggle going on now between the Saudis and the stinking Iranians.--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Turkey is part of NATO in its own self-interest. They have been since the beginning of the Cold War. It was also in OUR interest to have listening posts right next door to Russia. It is strategically important because it bridges Asia and Europe.
Thats true but we(USA), GET SHAFTED IN THE BARGAIN BY THE STINKING TURKS.

I BELIEVE WITH GOOD CAUSE THAT TURKEY MAY HAVE ACTED IN COLLUSION WITH THE OBAMA BY SHOOTING DOWN THAT RUSSIAN JET. (Who knows what the traitor obama may have promised to get it done?)
Based upon some very private info(2+2=4) I got from a retired military friend of mine.
And no, before anybody asks me , I can not divulge that info.-Tyr

[Drummond]

Thats true but we(USA), GET SHAFTED IN THE BARGAIN BY THE STINKING TURKS.

I BELIEVE WITH GOOD CAUSE THAT TURKEY MAY HAVE ACTED IN COLLUSION WITH THE OBAMA BY SHOOTING DOWN THAT RUSSIAN JET. (Who knows what the traitor obama may have promised to get it done?)
Based upon some very private info(2+2=4) I got from a retired military friend of mine.
And no, before anybody asks me , I can not divulge that info.-Tyr

If such collusion was truly entered into ... that would imply Russia's innocence, since there'd be far too tight a window of 'opportunity' to deal with this in the handful of minutes the Russians were said to have violated Turkish airspace.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If such collusion was truly entered into ... that would imply Russia's innocence, since there'd be far too tight a window of 'opportunity' to deal with this in the handful of minutes the Russians were said to have violated Turkish airspace.
Not if the shot down was prearranged my friend. Remember the Russians themselves announced that was a regular flight path that they used.
Simply patrolling there with jets(F16'S) there, pilots already under orders would do the trick methinks...
I'd bet a hundred spot against a fifty any day if it could be truly proven the how and why of it.
So few seconds , even if in Turkish air space , would hardly warrant a shoot down my friend.
There is more at play here with this than meets the eye...... -Tyr

[Gunny]

Thats true but we(USA), GET SHAFTED IN THE BARGAIN BY THE STINKING TURKS.

I BELIEVE WITH GOOD CAUSE THAT TURKEY MAY HAVE ACTED IN COLLUSION WITH THE OBAMA BY SHOOTING DOWN THAT RUSSIAN JET. (Who knows what the traitor obama may have promised to get it done?)
Based upon some very private info(2+2=4) I got from a retired military friend of mine.
And no, before anybody asks me , I can not divulge that info.-Tyr

My dad was stationed there and brought the "lucky" family with. I know EXACTLY how Turks are. I can't stand them. My comment was on their actions because I DO know how they are and how they think. They think they're God's gift and everyone and everything that isn't Turk is beneath them.

They're kind of like Saudi's. Pretend to be our friends in exchange for protection.

[Gunny]

Thats true but we(USA), GET SHAFTED IN THE BARGAIN BY THE STINKING TURKS.

I BELIEVE WITH GOOD CAUSE THAT TURKEY MAY HAVE ACTED IN COLLUSION WITH THE OBAMA BY SHOOTING DOWN THAT RUSSIAN JET. (Who knows what the traitor obama may have promised to get it done?)
Based upon some very private info(2+2=4) I got from a retired military friend of mine.
And no, before anybody asks me , I can not divulge that info.-Tyr

I don't agree with that. Obama doesn't have the balls. The Turks DO. It took Bush I forever to get permission to use Turkish airspace. They guard it like a newborn. I think Turkey is paranoid, as I would be, and they're tired of being screwed with. They've got Russia on one side, and Kurds and ISIS on the other.

They just sent a message.

[Black Diamond]

I don't agree with that. Obama doesn't have the balls. The Turks DO. It took Bush I forever to get permission to use Turkish airspace. They guard it like a newborn. I think Turkey is paranoid, as I would be, and they're tired of being screwed with. They've got Russia on one side, and Kurds and ISIS on the other.

They just sent a message.

How long before the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits come into play? You know Russia has always craved those.

[Gunny]

How long before the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits come into play? You know Russia has always craved those.

Not sure that's in Putin's gameplan. Not that I think he wouldn't make a play for them if he thought he needed them. His play right now appears to be for control of oil, and to keep Assad in power. And, while he may have different designs than we do, look at Syria from his perspective as if it was us. We've stuck OUR noses in more civil wars on behalf of "allies" than Putin has. From an objective point of view, we aren't really the ones to judge him.

If we want to run the show our way, then someone might want to inform our illustrious CinC that you have to get out front and lead with more than daily face time on the tube.

[Gunny]

So, hypothetically, what would happen if someone flew a fighter aircraft into US airspace? You'd be lucky to get 10 warnings. After 5 your ass is going down. ESPECIALLY after 9/11.