70 arrested in USA over ISIS

[jimnyc]

Sure, this is what little petey and his liberal ilk want to invite here. :rolleyes:

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US authorities have charged at least 66 men and women with ISIS-related terror plots on American soil – including a handful of refugees, Daily Mail Online can reveal.

The terror group has set its sights on Washington, D.C. as it vows to further infiltrate the West and ramp up its blood-soaked offensive.

Presidents Obama insists says that 'slamming the door' on Syrian refugees fleeing ISIS would be a betrayal of American values.

But 34 governors are refusing to take in any more, in case jihadi fighters slip into their states and repeat the carnage of Paris.

Analysis by Daily Mail Online reveals that a handful of foiled plots have already involved immigrants accused of harboring sympathy for ISIS.

The threat also comes from within, with American teenagers and Islamic converts among those seduced by the group’s torrent of chilling online propaganda.

They include a U.S. Air Force veteran accused of waging war on the country he once served and a National Guard soldier who allegedly plotted to gun down his own colleagues.

Others are seemingly ordinary American citizens, including a young nurse, a pizza parlor boss and schoolgirls tricked into becoming shrouded ISIS brides.

Some have conspired to travel or send friends abroad to link up with fundamentalist fighters while others have planned for jihad closer to home - with Capitol Hill among the targets for a foiled bombing raid.

Rest here - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html

[Kathianne]

and this:

http://www.dw.com/en/turkey-arrests-suspected-is-militants-bound-for-germany/a-18858798


Turkey arrests suspected IS militants 'bound for Germany'Eight people have been detained at Istanbul's main Ataturk airport, suspected of links to the "Islamic State" militant group. Authorities believe they may have been heading to Germany.

...

[revelarts]

So these are Syrian refugees then?
or not?

[pete311]

Why don't you go nutty over these groups which are established here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

oh yeah because most of these groups are white and you're racist.

[pete311]

So these are Syrian refugees then?
or not?

zing

[jimnyc]

Why don't you go nutty over these groups which are established here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

oh yeah because most of these groups are white and you're racist.

Because I don't want the attacks like happened in Paris to start happening here. But should they, I hope the very first one is within 10-15 feet of you.

[jimnyc]

zing

a nitwit replying to a racist nitwit. The article is about ISIS. Not sure why either of you would be bringing in Syrian refugees as if you found something?

[pete311]

Because I don't want the attacks like happened in Paris to start happening here. But should they, I hope the very first one is within 10-15 feet of you.

Guess what there are terrorists attacks all over the world all the time. Nigeria just got hit by another bomb that killed 35 people. Are you up in arms ready to close the borders of that? The french get hit and NOW you want to overreact?

[pete311]

a nitwit replying to a racist nitwit. The article is about ISIS. Not sure why either of you would be bringing in Syrian refugees as if you found something?
The article is about ISIS but your comment towards me was clearly in reference to syrian refugees

[jimnyc]

Guess what there are terrorists attacks all over the world all the time. Nigeria just got hit by another bomb that killed 35 people. Are you up in arms ready to close the borders of that? The french get hit and NOW you want to overreact?

I wanted the borders closed a LONG time ago. And it SHOULD have been done a long time ago.

[Gunny]

Guess what there are terrorists attacks all over the world all the time. Nigeria just got hit by another bomb that killed 35 people. Are you up in arms ready to close the borders of that? The french get hit and NOW you want to overreact?

That sure as Hell makes it okay.:laugh:

And guess just the fuck is doing the terrorism in Nigeria? Islamic extremists. Is there a theme here?

[jimnyc]

The article is about ISIS but your comment towards me was clearly in reference to syrian refugees

And yet that reply was AFTER Rev made his comment, to which you replied - and THEN I replied. Busted, you stupid dumbass.

[pete311]

That sure as Hell makes it okay.:laugh:

And guess just the fuck is doing the terrorism in Nigeria? Islamic extremists. Is there a theme here?

Boko Haram ain't Muslim. They are opportunists.

[CSM]

Boko Haram ain't Muslim. They are opportunists.

Thanks for clearing that up. I did not realize that one could not be Muslim and an opportunist at the same time ....

[Gunny]

Boko Haram ain't Muslim. They are opportunists.

They're ALL opportunists using religion as an excuse and war to make money.

[Gunny]

Thanks for clearing that up. I did not realize that one could not be Muslim and an opportunist at the same time ....

You mean the people that have made money and a living in the name of a religion by creating needless wars for 14 centuries? Not them. Couldn't be.

[pete311]

They're ALL opportunists using religion as an excuse and war to make money.

That's the first thing you've said that we can agree on

[revelarts]

The article is about ISIS but your comment towards me was clearly in reference to syrian refugees
And yet that reply was AFTER Rev made his comment, to which you replied - and THEN I replied. Busted, you stupid dumbass.

uh No, your 1st post

Sure, this is what little petey and his liberal ilk want to invite here. :rolleyes:
-----ISIS...
Rest here - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html

I see no post on the board where Pete wants to "invite" ISIS.
But Pete has today defended the idea of hosting refugees.
so what's the average reader to think?

I will also note that saying someone wants to "invite" ISIS here is "putting words in people's mouths" as well.
why not just quote Pete exactly Jim?

[Voted4Reagan]

Boko Haram ain't Muslim. They are opportunists.

Boko Haram is an islamic extremist group that has been attacking Nigeria for years....

is an Islamic extremist group based in northeastern Nigeria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria), also active in Chad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad), Niger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger) and northern Cameroon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon).[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-Bureau-7) The group's leader is Abubakar Shekau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abubakar_Shekau). The group had alleged links to al-Qaeda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda), but in March 2015, it announced its allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant) (ISIL).[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-BokoHaramIS-14)[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-BokoHaramIS2-15) Since the current insurgency started in 2009, it has killed 20,000 and displaced 2.3 million from their homes.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-AP-18-11-15-16)

Boko Haram was founded as a Sunni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni) Islamic fundamentalist sect, influenced by the Wahhabi movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism), advocating a strict form of Sharia law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law). It developed into a Salafist-jihadi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_jihadism) group in 2009. The movement is diffuse, and fighters associated with it do not necessarily follow Salafi doctrine.[37] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-Congressional-37)[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-cfrBackgrounder-38)[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-CTC-39)[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-40)[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-Onuoha-41) The group has denounced the members of the Sufi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi), the Shiite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiite), and the Izala (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izala_Society) sects as infidels.[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram#cite_note-42) Boko Haram seeks the establishment of an Islamic state in Nigeria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram

Pete..... You really are a Dumbass and a Dhim-Wit

[Trigg]

While bambam is on TV trying to make the republicans look like children for refusing "widows and babies" entrance in the the US, his own staff have the same reservations. It would be a mistake to invite people into this country when we know nothing about who they are, where they come from, and what their purpose is.

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/HHSC-October-Terror-Threat-Snapshot1.pdf




Director of National Intelligence Gen. (ret.) James Clapper said on September 9: “As [Syrianrefugees] descend on Europe, one of the obvious issues that we worry about, and in turn as we bringrefugees into this country, is exactly what’s their background? We don’t obviously put it past thelikes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees…That is a huge concern of ours.”
• American officials have previously testified that we lack the on-the-ground intelligence in Syrianeeded to confidently vet individuals and identify security risks in the process of screening refugeesfor resettlement. FBI Assistant Director Michael said earlier this year “the concern in Syria is thatwe don't have systems in places on the ground to collect the information…All of the data sets, thepolice, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from], don't exist.”

[revelarts]

it's one thing to have concern about weeding ISIS out from among the refugees.
It's another to refuse ALL the refugees because they're muslim (mostly) or from the M.E..

But i will say this.
If it were up to me, I'd see if we could move any of the suspect or questionable muslims of the group to a Shia Muslim friendly state "ally" like, Pakistan or India. Or maybe since Obama is such a smooth negotiator some of them should go to Shia Iran.

The Saudis and most of the rest of M.E. would not welcome the Shia Muslims of Syria. It'd be tossing them from the frying pan into the fire since the Saudis and other M.E. state are known to have funded ISIS and sent troops against Asad as "rebels"/ISIS fighters. ISIS is Sunni/Whabbi.

And I'll say again I'm SURE there are Christian and Muslims among those refugees that are burning for serious ISIS payback. They need to be befriended and given the opportunity to help take back their homes and remove ISIS from their country. Why should our boots be on the ground?

[pete311]

it's one thing to have concern about weeding ISIS out from among the refugees.
It's another to refuse ALL the refugees because they're muslim (mostly) or from the M.E..


Not to this racist bigoted community, so your reasonable comments fall on deaf ears.

[aboutime]

http://icansayit.com/images/racial_profiling.jpg

Political correctness is destroying every nation where Wussies pretend to Care as President, not to offend.

[revelarts]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUBnjuKWoAAv3FR.jpg

[Elessar]

Why don't you go nutty over these groups which are established here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

oh yeah because most of these groups are white and you're racist.

You have a big mouth.

This is a global threat and has become a threat to U.S. soil.
You have no common sense.

Just how black and racist are you?

[aboutime]

You have a big mouth.

This is a global threat and has become a threat to U.S. soil.
You have no common sense.

Just how black and racist are you?


pete311. Is this you? http://icansayit.com/images/muslim6.jpg

Or, are you willing to tell us how many times you voted for Obama???

[LongTermGuy]

pete311. Is this you? http://icansayit.com/images/muslim6.jpg

Or, are you willing to tell us how many times you voted for Obama???

Poor "pete"....now he`s gonna get all upset and go all Jihad....I don't feel "pete" likes Americans...

[Jeff]

Could Pete possibly be Jafar, story sure sounds the same.

[pete311]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUBnjuKWoAAv3FR.jpg


Exactly. Let's not forget ISIS is mostly killing other Muslims.

I'm the son of a Midwestern farmer. I'm more American than most of you.

[LongTermGuy]

Exactly. Let's not forget ISIS is mostly killing other Muslims.

I'm the son of a Midwestern farmer. I'm more American than most of you.




Your full of crap...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hTZgn2YYfoI/Tt7v9X1e25I/AAAAAAAAAV0/x_A4jVEHm1Y/s1600/Pic+-+Findthegaymuslim.jpg

http://www.political-humor.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/muslims-they-seem-like-calm-rational-reasonable-people-we-just-dont-understand-them.jpg

[pete311]

Your full of crap...



I don't get what point you're trying to make

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Exactly. Let's not forget ISIS is mostly killing other Muslims.

I'm the son of a Midwestern farmer. I'm more American than most of you.

Really!?? You asswipe, my mother is half Native American. My grandfather full bloodied Indian.
My direct family line on dad's side in America goes back to 1820's, and on mother's side thousands of years!
Apparently your addled little brain has been adversely affected by eating too much of the damn ffkked up genetically engineered Monsanto corn.. -
Pissing me off is as bad as doing so to gunny.
Maybe even worse since I have "stomp-ur-ass syndrome" bad and its been a few years since I've had any relief. - ;)-Tyr

[Elessar]

Exactly. Let's not forget ISIS is mostly killing other Muslims.

I'm the son of a Midwestern farmer. I'm more American than most of you.

Someone did not raise you right then.

I'm a West Virginia Hillbilly now living in Oregon.

You run your mouth like an Anti-American Liberal extremist.

[pete311]

Really!?? You asswipe, my mother is half Native American. My grandfather full bloodied Indian.


Unfortunately the native americans were abused and butchered by the settlers. I'm sure some of the members here are in full support of what all happened considered their other views.

[pete311]

You run your mouth like an Anti-American Liberal extremist.



We live in two very different America's. That is the problem.

[LongTermGuy]

We live in two very different America's. That is the problem.



*There is no problem...It obvious which side of America you live in...with all your obvious deceitful Leftist.. anti-"American" garbage you spew out daily...it offensive and contrary to "American" values...

[aboutime]

Someone did not raise you right then.

I'm a West Virginia Hillbilly now living in Oregon.

You run your mouth like an Anti-American Liberal extremist.



Elessar. When pete said that, he proved to the rest of us how much of a phony he really is.
Any American living today who was born here...IS NOT any more American than any other American.

Unless of course..the one bragging is hiding something, and doesn't wish to be exposed by the Truth.

[aboutime]

We live in two very different America's. That is the problem.


Pete. RIGHT you are. You live in the destroyed America Obama is making, and the rest of us only want

to get our nation, liberty, freedom, and traditions back...without you, or Obama who hate America, and blame

all the faults on America for everything around the world. In other words. You are a great Hypocrite.

[LongTermGuy]

Elessar. When pete said that, he proved to the rest of us how much of a phony he really is.
Any American living today who was born here...IS NOT any more American than any other American.

Unless of course..the one bragging is hiding something, and doesn't wish to be exposed by the Truth.

**********

~ "Unless of course..the one bragging is hiding something, and doesn't wish to be exposed by the Truth." ~

aaaahhh....There might be a few here that know a few things...*Jimmy would not approve it...

[pete311]

Pete. RIGHT you are. You live in the destroyed America Obama is making, and the rest of us only want


The America I live in looks pretty good. my life is good. Maybe your problems are of your own making.

[Kathianne]

and this:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/18/honduras-detains-five-syrians-with-stolen-greek-passports-headed-for-the-united-states/


Honduras detains five Syrians with stolen Greek passports headed for the United StatesPOSTED AT 4:41 PM ON NOVEMBER 18, 2015 BY ALLAHPUNDIT
No reason to believe they’re terrorists (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/18/us-france-shooting-honduras-idUSKCN0T72UE20151118#JI4xBlVzzs0Lz20S.97), authorities are quick to note, as it’s not just terrorists who sometimes steal a passport to get where they’re going. Fair enough, but if this is simple illegal immigration in search of economic opportunity, why make a long journey through Turkey, South America, and Central America to the United States instead of taking advantage of Merkel’s open-borders policy and heading for Germanistan? Also, where’d they get the passports? And why steal them? Is it a simple matter of genuine passports being hard to come by amid the collapse of Syria’s civil state or is there another reason?


Another interesting question: How were these not-at-all suspicious travelers from a terrorist hotbed hoping to enter the United States? Reuters provides a clue:



The Syrian men were held late on Tuesday in the Honduran capital, Tegucigalpa, on arrival from Costa Rica, and had been planning to head to the border with neighboring Guatemala. The passports had been doctored to replace the photographs with those of the Syrians, police said.


“We received information from (fellow) police services that these five Syrians left Greece and passed through Turkey, Brazil, Argentina and San Jose in Costa Rica before finally reaching Tegucigalpa,” said Anibal Baca, spokesman for Honduras’ police. “They are normal Syrians.”


The BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-34864193) is more definitive:



According to Honduran police, they were planning to travel to the northern city of San Pedro Sula. From there, they intended to cross into Guatemala and then Mexico before reaching the US border, some 2,000km (1,2000 miles) away.


I hope O’s on the phone today thanking the president of Honduras for their good detective work, as five Syrians getting picked up inside the U.S. with bogus passports after crossing the Mexican border weeks after a major ISIS terror attack in the west is pretty much the platonic ideal of a political clusterfark for Democrats. (And that assumes the best-case scenario, that these five had no sinister intentions upon arriving.) Even though they’re not refugees, a security lapse that glaring probably would have generated enough heat to force Obama to suspend the refugee program temporarily for security “improvements” or whatever as a consequence. As it is, it’ll take a bit longer before that inevitably happens anyway (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-18/bloomberg-poll-most-americans-oppose-syrian-refugee-resettlement):

...

[Elessar]

We live in two very different America's. That is the problem.

The door opens the other way if you do not like it.

Try living in Greenland instead.

[Jeff]

The America I live in looks pretty good. my life is good. Maybe your problems are of your own making.


I wonder how good life is going to be when the black lives matter folks put a bullet in the back of your head ? Or when you are laying on the ground and one of your good Muslims is cutting your head off, do you people really still believe that if you speak up for these animals they will somehow consider you a freind. They are animals, no different than a rabid dog that will attack any and all.

[jimnyc]

I wonder how good life is going to be when the black lives matter folks put a bullet in the back of your head ? Or when you are laying on the ground and one of your good Muslims is cutting your head off, do you people really still believe that if you speak up for these animals they will somehow consider you a freind. They are animals, no different than a rabid dog that will attack any and all.

Jeff - just so you know - little petey is married to a black man, you know, gay rights and all that. NOT that there's anything wrong with that of course. And I'll bet dollars to donuts that this little dickhead was one of those that Putin referred to that sent money to ISIS. He's the type and acts like he likes them. All makes sense about our little princess friend!

[Jeff]

Jeff - just so you know - little petey is married to a black man, you know, gay rights and all that. NOT that there's anything wrong with that of course. And I'll bet dollars to donuts that this little dickhead was one of those that Putin referred to that sent money to ISIS. He's the type and acts like he likes them. All makes sense about our little princess friend!


Hell I didn't know about the black woman, but I have no issue with that. But I was under the impression petey was a Muslim, well I guess he is but instead of riding his camel to the Mosque he goes to the we hate whitey Mosque.

[jimnyc]

Hell I didn't know about the black woman, but I have no issue with that. But I was under the impression petey was a Muslim, well I guess he is but instead of riding his camel to the Mosque he goes to the we hate whitey Mosque.

re-read what I wrote, not a black woman, a black man!!

[Jeff]

re-read what I wrote, not a black woman, a black man!!

OK well I just got done chumming, so what I at first though was a bleeding heart liberal, and then a Muslim is actually a fag, pole smoker, that to me is disgusting. But I guess what he does behind closed doors is his business. But Dang this guy could tell me its Thursday and I would think he was lying and have to check, any man that gets off on another man's dirty hairy ass is disgusting, how sorry he must be that he had to go to men cause he couldn't get a woman.

[jimnyc]

OK well I just got done chumming, so what I at first though was a bleeding heart liberal, and then a Muslim is actually a fag, pole smoker, that to me is disgusting. But I guess what he does behind closed doors is his business. But Dang this guy could tell me its Thursday and I would think he was lying and have to check, any man that gets off on another man's dirty hairy ass is disgusting, how sorry he must be that he had to go to men cause he couldn't get a woman.

Well, he IS a bleeding heart liberal AND he is a muslim lover. :laugh:

[Jeff]

Well, he IS a bleeding heart liberal AND he is a muslim lover. :laugh:

Lets not forget Coc* sucker as well. :laugh:

[Trigg]

Unfortunately the native americans were abused and butchered by the settlers. I'm sure some of the members here are in full support of what all happened considered their other views.


You really know how to make friends and influence people don't you :lame2:


It's good to know that you've taken time out of your busy day, to talk to us racist bigots who aren't as American as you.:laugh2:

[aboutime]

Exactly. Let's not forget ISIS is mostly killing other Muslims.

I'm the son of a Midwestern farmer. I'm more American than most of you.


Really? More American than most of us? Tell us. How many years of your life have you given to PROTECTING this nation? Sounding like Obama, blaming others, and pretending to be something you are not is just so.......

Liberal of you.

[Drummond]

it's one thing to have concern about weeding ISIS out from among the refugees.
It's another to refuse ALL the refugees because they're muslim (mostly) or from the M.E..

But i will say this.
If it were up to me, I'd see if we could move any of the suspect or questionable muslims of the group to a Shia Muslim friendly state "ally" like, Pakistan or India. Or maybe since Obama is such a smooth negotiator some of them should go to Shia Iran.

The Saudis and most of the rest of M.E. would not welcome the Shia Muslims of Syria. It'd be tossing them from the frying pan into the fire since the Saudis and other M.E. state are known to have funded ISIS and sent troops against Asad as "rebels"/ISIS fighters. ISIS is Sunni/Whabbi.

And I'll say again I'm SURE there are Christian and Muslims among those refugees that are burning for serious ISIS payback. They need to be befriended and given the opportunity to help take back their homes and remove ISIS from their country. Why should our boots be on the ground?

So, you have great humanitarian concern for the fate of the refugees, but think it goes too far for ground troops from the US to tackle ISIS ?

I think your point about facilitating refugees' own fightback against ISIS is a fair one, though. In fact, I think that any measure taken to defeat ISIS is fair ! Whatever it takes to get the job done.

As for a willingness to accept refugees, I think that's misguided. For two reasons:

1. How carefully, and to what level of confidence, have any/all of them been properly vetted, to ensure that they ARE what they SAY they are ? Indeed, given conditions in that part of the world, how possible is it to undertake the process for anything like all of them ?

2. ISIS numbers don't remain static !! You can't know that refugees taken won't turn out to be future terrorists. There is such a thing as 'radicalisation', you know. Maybe, also, some of them will have left behind some loved ones, and ISIS can apply blackmail pressure to force an individual into terrorist acts ?

But perhaps you think it's worth foisting such risks on to innocent people ?

[Drummond]

The door opens the other way if you do not like it.

Try living in Greenland instead.

????????????

What did Greenland ever do to you ??

[Drummond]

The America I live in looks pretty good. my life is good. Maybe your problems are of your own making.

New Yorkers might have been saying the very same on 10th September 2001. But would they have continued to ?

You always have to be ever-vigilant against forces, and scum, determined to destroy your way of life. I'm not one to play the 'we must be complacent because it's the politically correct thing to do' game.

[Drummond]

I don't get what point you're trying to make

Well, I believe he was saying that you're full of crap ?

The clue's in the wording, my son ...

[Drummond]

Boko Haram ain't Muslim. They are opportunists.

This is reminiscent of Jafar. Jafar, when he was active here, was likewise keen to distance his 'true' vision of Islam away from terrorist groups .. until events tested him, of course, then suddenly he found common cause with them ...

If you have it in mind to be sufficiently 'apologist' to do that where Boko Haram is concerned ...

http://www.counterextremism.com/threat/boko-haram?gclid=CP2WkIDynckCFUoCwwod_bcGVw


Boko Haram

Type of Organization:

Insurgent, territory-controlling, terrorist, violent

Ideologies and Affiliations:

ISIS-affiliated group, Islamist, jihadist, pan-Islamist, Qutbist, religious, Salafist, takfiri

Place of Origin:

Maiduguri, Nigeria

Year of Origin:

2002

Founder(s):

Mohammed Yusuf

Places of Operation:

Primarily Nigeria (particularly in the states of Borno, Yobe, and Adamawa) as well as Cameroon, Niger, Chad, and Benin

http://www.counterextremism.com/sites/default/files/threat_pdf/Boko%20Haram-10272015.pdf

[quote]Boko Haram is a radical Sunni Islamic sect, originally calling itself Jama’atu Ahlis Sunnar Lidda’awati Wal-Jihad, which broadly translates to “people committed to the propagation of the Prophet’s teachings and jihad.” The group’s more widely known name is Boko Haram, which means “Western education is sin,” and was a nickname given by locals based on the group’s strong rejection of Western education as corrupt.The founder of the group, Mohammed Yusuf, was a trained Salafist and follower of Ibn Taymiyya, a 14th century scholar who preached Islamic fundamentalism.

Not Muslim, you say ? Well, they're affiliated to ISIS, and as the report link will show, they were also linked to Al Qaeda. Ah, but I suppose that neither of those terrorist groups are Islamic, either ??

If you're the Leftie I think you are, you'll be happy to distance all measure of terrorist groups SAYING they are Islamic, from Islam ! You'll ignore, of course, the fact that they fight for the cause of Islam and want Sharia Law instituted as universally as possible.

[Black Diamond]

????????????

What did Greenland ever do to you ??

Fucking Danes

[revelarts]

So, you have great humanitarian concern for the fate of the refugees, but think it goes too far for ground troops from the US to tackle ISIS ?
I think your point about facilitating refugees' own fightback against ISIS is a fair one, though. In fact, I think that any measure taken to defeat ISIS is fair ! Whatever it takes to get the job done.
As for a willingness to accept refugees, I think that's misguided. For two reasons:
1. How carefully, and to what level of confidence, have any/all of them been properly vetted, to ensure that they ARE what they SAY they are ? Indeed, given conditions in that part of the world, how possible is it to undertake the process for anything like all of them ?
2. ISIS numbers don't remain static !! You can't know that refugees taken won't turn out to be future terrorists. There is such a thing as 'radicalisation', you know. Maybe, also, some of them will have left behind some loved ones, and ISIS can apply blackmail pressure to force an individual into terrorist acts ?
But perhaps you think it's worth foisting such risks on to innocent people ?

people seem very ready to cheer and be indignant that others don't support "boots on the ground" And claim we should stop them "by any and all means"

but whenever i post about stopping their supplies, arms, funds, and crippling the enablers there are crickets or even a bit of irritation for bringing it up.
Why is that drummond?

Here's and article about one of the reason there are more and more ISIS fighters on the ground.


An ISIS defector explained a key reason people continue joining the groupDespite ISIS's claims of ruling over a Islamic "caliphate" in line with Sharia law, a large number of the group's fighters joined for reasons having little to do with religion, according to a defector from the group that The Daily Beast's Michael Weiss interviewed (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/inside-isis-torture-brigades.html)in Istanbul, Turkey.
Instead, people are joining the organization because they are desperate for money and are struggling to find a way to survive in Syria, where four years of civil war have decimated the economy.
The ISIS defector, who goes by the pseudonym Abu Khaled, spoke (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/15/confessions-of-an-isis-spy.html)with Weiss about the group's internal dynamics, and what it was like to live under ISIS's rule.
According to Abu Khaled, a large number of people are joining ISIS because they need money. After joining the militants, people are paid in US dollars instead of Syrian liras. Abu Khaled said that ISIS also runs its own currency exchanges.
ISIS members receive additional incentives to fight for the group. “I rented a house, which was paid for by ISIS,” Abu Khaled, who worked for ISIS's internal-security forces and "provided training for foreign operatives," told (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/inside-isis-torture-brigades.html) Weiss. “It cost $50 per month. They paid for the house, the electricity. Plus, I was married, so I got an additional $50 per month for my wife. If you have kids, you get $35 for each. If you have parents, they pay $50 for each parent. This is a welfare state.”
And those financial benefits are not just limited to the organization's fighters. According to Abu Khaled, any member of ISIS, ranging from construction workers to doctors, receives similar compensation. In war-torn Syria, these salaries are a powerful lure for people who might not otherwise be able to support their families — or for people just hoping to get rich.
“I knew a mason who worked construction. He used to get 1,000 lira per day. That’s nothing," Abu Khaled told (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/inside-isis-torture-brigades.html) Weiss. "Now he’s joined ISIS and gets 35,000 lira—$100 for himself, $50 for his wife, $35 for his kids. He makes $600 to $700 per month. He gave up masonry. He’s just a fighter now, but he joined for the income.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-defector-explains-why-people-continue-joining-group-2015-11

you can't have a "war" without funds. PERIOD.
Cut off the funds, arms and supplies and ISIS become nothing but a scatter gang of malcontents like the KKK. a real problem but not a MAJOR one.

finanancial WARFARE cost less in western Blood and treasure and can CRIPLE ISIS.

where is this cash coming from Drummond? isn't that a means of destroying ISIS's power that should be at the forefront of the "WAR"?
seems people prefer a MACHO fight to say they are the strongest and to randomly kill muslims
rather preemptively strike the finances or to WIN in the most efficient ways possible.

I'll wait for the crickets and complaints directed at ME for bringing this up again.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Jeff - just so you know - little petey is married to a black man, you know, gay rights and all that. NOT that there's anything wrong with that of course. And I'll bet dollars to donuts that this little dickhead was one of those that Putin referred to that sent money to ISIS. He's the type and acts like he likes them. All makes sense about our little princess friend!

Aha! I knew there was that hidden something with this member only after reading a few of "its" posts!
I thought merely a muslim appeaser/lib but hell, its even worse!
Goober gobbler and lib , muslim appeaser, anti-American scum, :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Damn that as combo beats just about any lowlife that ever posted here that I am aware of ..
Still, your posting this truth about little petey gave me one hell of a laugh this morn. :beer:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

people seem very ready to cheer and be indignant that others don't support "boots on the ground" And claim we should stop them "by any and all means"

but whenever i post about stopping their supplies, arms, funds, and crippling the enablers there are crickets or even a bit of irritation for bringing it up.
Why is that drummond?

Here's and article about one of the reason there are more and more ISIS fighters on the ground.


http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-defector-explains-why-people-continue-joining-group-2015-11

you can't have a "war" without funds. PERIOD.
Cut off the funds, arms and supplies and ISIS become nothing but a scatter gang of malcontents like the KKK. a real problem but not a MAJOR one.

finanancial WARFARE cost less in western Blood and treasure and can CRIPLE ISIS.

where is this cash coming from Drummond? isn't that a means of destroying ISIS's power that should be at the forefront of the "WAR"?
seems people prefer a MACHO fight to say they are the strongest and to randomly kill muslims
rather preemptively strike the finances or to WIN in the most efficient ways possible.

I'll wait for the crickets and complaints directed at ME for bringing this up again.

Not me, any posts of yours Ive not responded to was because of how damn busy I am...
As I am dead set on destroying obama's JV team by any and every means --which damn sure includes stopping the arms coming to and ---GIVEN- to them by obama!
Say, why and how do you expect America to stop arms coming to them when the obama secretly gives them 5 billion dollars worth or armor, arms and ammunitions?
Hoss, that aint chump change you know...
I never saw you screaming about the bambastard doing that! Did I merely miss that post? -Tyr

[Jeff]

people seem very ready to cheer and be indignant that others don't support "boots on the ground" And claim we should stop them "by any and all means"

but whenever i post about stopping their supplies, arms, funds, and crippling the enablers there are crickets or even a bit of irritation for bringing it up.
Why is that drummond?

Here's and article about one of the reason there are more and more ISIS fighters on the ground.


http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-defector-explains-why-people-continue-joining-group-2015-11

you can't have a "war" without funds. PERIOD.
Cut off the funds, arms and supplies and ISIS become nothing but a scatter gang of malcontents like the KKK. a real problem but not a MAJOR one.

finanancial WARFARE cost less in western Blood and treasure and can CRIPLE ISIS.

where is this cash coming from Drummond? isn't that a means of destroying ISIS's power that should be at the forefront of the "WAR"?
seems people prefer a MACHO fight to say they are the strongest and to randomly kill muslims
rather preemptively strike the finances or to WIN in the most efficient ways possible.

I'll wait for the crickets and complaints directed at ME for bringing this up again.

Rev I agree with stopping there Billion $$$ a day empire, but hell up until just recently ( since Russia and France have been able to hit strategic spots, Obama couldn't find them ) funny how we been bombing them for how long but just a day ago found where they are loading the oil to sell on the Black Market. :rolleyes:

And lets not forget, if you take away a cockroaches food he may move but he doesn't die, take their way to earn away and we will hurt them, until they find another way.

Only solution is annihilate them, turn them into vapor and let them get their 72 virgins.

[jimnyc]

you can't have a "war" without funds. PERIOD.

Good luck with that. They already have about $500 million dollars and still selling massive $$$ of oil per day. They are selling artifacts and all other kinds of crap. Making money on ransoms. They say they are the richest "terrorist group" in history. And they aren't going to use that money for massive ordinances and fighter jets - that money will be used for small weapons and planning, similar attacks like we saw recently. And that kind of money, and that way of using it, can go a LONG LONG way. Point is, they HAVE their funding already that will keep them going for some time to come.

That's what I've been saying for well over a year, that we needed to go in and destroy them, as they were growing financially and with the numbers of them involved. Many whined about how to go about it and whether or not we should get involved, and then our leader went about things half heartedly, if that.

Lastly, you're 100% wrong. This "war" can be had by small cells. That is NOT expensive. Look at the bomb that just took down the Russian airliner. NOT expensive. I'm not saying it doesn't take funding, but it's not like they need billions. Imagine just 8 guys coming into our country. Only 3 or 4 of them are wearing rudimentary suicide vests. The others have AK-47's, which for 6 of them would cost like $3k. I wonder how much damage can be done with 8 folks, a few suicide vests and a handful of AK's? I bet Paris knows the answer!!

You've been talking about the low numbers of AQ and terrorists for a few years now. Hell, I believe you implied they were barely there and barely a thread last year. Now some of AQ morphs in with ISIS and their small numbers and killing large numbers. So excuse me if I scoff at your "period", as you've been wrong pretty much every step of the way.

[Jeff]

Good luck with that. They already have about $500 million dollars and still selling massive $$$ of oil per day. They are selling artifacts and all other kinds of crap. Making money on ransoms. They say they are the richest "terrorist group" in history. And they aren't going to use that money for massive ordinances and fighter jets - that money will be used for small weapons and planning, similar attacks like we saw recently. And that kind of money, and that way of using it, can go a LONG LONG way. Point is, they HAVE their funding already that will keep them going for some time to come.

That's what I've been saying for well over a year, that we needed to go in and destroy them, as they were growing financially and with the numbers of them involved. Many whined about how to go about it and whether or not we should get involved, and then our leader went about things half heartedly, if that.

Lastly, you're 100% wrong. This "war" can be had by small cells. That is NOT expensive. Look at the bomb that just took down the Russian airliner. NOT expensive. I'm not saying it doesn't take funding, but it's not like they need billions. Imagine just 8 guys coming into our country. Only 3 or 4 of them are wearing rudimentary suicide vests. The others have AK-47's, which for 6 of them would cost like $3k. I wonder how much damage can be done with 8 folks, a few suicide vests and a handful of AK's? I bet Paris knows the answer!!

You've been talking about the low numbers of AQ and terrorists for a few years now. Hell, I believe you implied they were barely there and barely a thread last year. Now some of AQ morphs in with ISIS and their small numbers and killing large numbers. So excuse me if I scoff at your "period", as you've been wrong pretty much every step of the way.


I watched a special on TV the other day and between the black market oil and now they control the northern wheat fields in Iraq they are estimating a billion a day they are making, they have plenty of money to go to war, even if we remove all that from them now ( should of been the first thing Obama did ) but even if he does it now, I am sure making that kind of money they have plenty put back.

[jimnyc]

I watched a special on TV the other day and between the black market oil and now they control the northern wheat fields in Iraq they are estimating a billion a day they are making, they have plenty of money to go to war, even if we remove all that from them now ( should of been the first thing Obama did ) but even if he does it now, I am sure making that kind of money they have plenty put back.

I don't know about that much cash, but it's enough for now either way you look at it. And if their planning is true, they likely have cells in various countries for some time now, or could very easily do so.

The ONLY way is to put massive boots on the ground, another international coalition of ALL countries prepared to eliminate these roaches. Come from every direction, including the air. Don't stop until they are gone. And even then, stay there until worldwide issues subside. FINALLY finish the job and do it the right way.

[revelarts]

Not me, any posts of yours Ive not responded to was because of how damn busy I am...
As I am dead set on destroying obama's JV team by any and every means --which damn sure includes stopping the arms coming to and ---GIVEN- to them by obama!
Say, why and how do you expect America to stop arms coming to them when the obama secretly gives them 5 billion dollars worth or armor, arms and ammunitions?
Hoss, that aint chump change you know...
I never saw you screaming about the bambastard doing that! Did I merely miss that post? -Tyr

WTH?
when did he do THAT?!
are you talking about money and arms to Turkey or what?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Good luck with that. They already have about $500 million dollars and still selling massive $$$ of oil per day. They are selling artifacts and all other kinds of crap. Making money on ransoms. They say they are the richest "terrorist group" in history. And they aren't going to use that money for massive ordinances and fighter jets - that money will be used for small weapons and planning, similar attacks like we saw recently. And that kind of money, and that way of using it, can go a LONG LONG way. Point is, they HAVE their funding already that will keep them going for some time to come.

That's what I've been saying for well over a year, that we needed to go in and destroy them, as they were growing financially and with the numbers of them involved. Many whined about how to go about it and whether or not we should get involved, and then our leader went about things half heartedly, if that.

Lastly, you're 100% wrong. This "war" can be had by small cells. That is NOT expensive. Look at the bomb that just took down the Russian airliner. NOT expensive. I'm not saying it doesn't take funding, but it's not like they need billions. Imagine just 8 guys coming into our country. Only 3 or 4 of them are wearing rudimentary suicide vests. The others have AK-47's, which for 6 of them would cost like $3k. I wonder how much damage can be done with 8 folks, a few suicide vests and a handful of AK's? I bet Paris knows the answer!!

You've been talking about the low numbers of AQ and terrorists for a few years now. Hell, I believe you implied they were barely there and barely a thread last year. Now some of AQ morphs in with ISIS and their small numbers and killing large numbers. So excuse me if I scoff at your "period", as you've been wrong pretty much every step of the way.

Yet the ffing worm obama still preaches "contain them" but never --"lets utterly destroy them"!
Hell, he had their command center/headquarters in Raqqa held to be off limits for striking by our planes!
But along comes France and blasts it and he got mad as hell about that, you could hear it in his voice --the ffing bastard!
Every damn American should be asking why he does that, demanding an answer and screaming for his damn head about it! Because unless one is a moron, the answer comes forward that he actually supports ISIS and their cause. -Tyr

[revelarts]

I watched a special on TV the other day and between the black market oil and now they control the northern wheat fields in Iraq they are estimating a billion a day they are making, they have plenty of money to go to war, even if we remove all that from them now ( should of been the first thing Obama did ) but even if he does it now, I am sure making that kind of money they have plenty put back.
I don't know about that much cash, but it's enough for now either way you look at it. And if their planning is true, they likely have cells in various countries for some time now, or could very easily do so.
The ONLY way is to put massive boots on the ground, another international coalition of ALL countries prepared to eliminate these roaches. Come from every direction, including the air. Don't stop until they are gone. And even then, stay there until worldwide issues subside. FINALLY finish the job and do it the right way.


It's not the only way.
and it didn't work in Iraq why should it work in Syria.

Are they keeping billions of dollar under a mattress?
Is some of it in banks that are available to online disruption.
remember the stories i've posted about money laundering banks? Can we find the banks the funds are going to and the depositors, seize the funds, stop the transactions, track the money trails to the sources?
But if ALL the "billions" are in cash in a hole or mattress somewhere is it possible that hole/matress can be bombed to H3LL?
People don't sell arms or food for burnt $100 notes.

"Black market Oil", right.
some of this oil is going out of the areas via trucks, ships or pipes correct? why aren't they seized? Are their traitors in the Anti-ISIS Military that are allowing this black market to function?
these black marketers are selling to legit users at some point. Punish them. jail them for a few months-years.
make it hard crap to do black market sales. Make cooperation with ISIS hurt.


?IS? supply channels through Turkey | All media content | DW.COM | 26.11.2014 (http://www.dw.com/en/is-supply-channels-through-turkey/av-18091048)
Interviews with Trukish truckers, Kerdish fighters and others talking about shipments of hundreds of trucks with goods weapons and fighters crossing the boarder and suppling ISIS and the Trukish officials -high and low -doing NOTHING to stop it.


you can't crush an idea but you can stave the promoters and replace it with better ones. IF you offer an example and good alternatives.
But if the ONLY thing we show the paid and fed enemies and the muslim civilians is the west coming to THEIR countries to kill muslims including women and children then they'll always be fighters/terrorist to replace them. and we'll have to Occupy Syria and Iraq for 100 years. and still not "win"

[jimnyc]

It's not the only way.
and it didn't work in Iraq why should it work in Syria.

Are they keeping billions of dollar under a mattress?
Is some of it in banks that are available to online disruption.
remember the stories i've posted about money laundering banks? Can we find the banks the funds are going to and the depositors, seize the funds, stop the transactions, track the money trails to the sources?
But if ALL the "billions" are in cash in a hole or mattress somewhere is it possible that hole/matress can be bombed to H3LL?
People don't sell arms or food for burnt $100 notes.

"Black market Oil", right.
some of this oil is going out of the areas via trucks, ships or pipes correct? why aren't they seized? Are their traitors in the Anti-ISIS Military that are allowing this black market to function?
these black marketers are selling to legit users at some point. Punish them. jail them for a few months-years.
make it hard crap to do black market sales. Make cooperation with ISIS hurt.


?IS? supply channels through Turkey | All media content | DW.COM | 26.11.2014 (http://www.dw.com/en/is-supply-channels-through-turkey/av-18091048)
Interviews with Trukish truckers, Kerdish fighters and others talking about shipments of hundreds of trucks with goods weapons and fighters crossing the boarder and suppling ISIS and the Trukish officials -high and low -doing NOTHING to stop it.


you can't crush an idea but you can stave the promoters and replace it with better ones. IF you offer an example and good alternatives.
But if the ONLY thing we show the paid and fed enemies and the muslim civilians is the west coming to THEIR countries to kill muslims including women and children then they'll always be fighters/terrorist to replace them. and we'll have to Occupy Syria and Iraq for 100 years. and still not "win"

They have $500 million, minimum, and growing. My alternative is to keep hitting them militarily until they are eliminated. Anything short of that is allowing them to grow.

[revelarts]

They have $500 million, minimum, and growing. ...

where is it?
How is it growing? stop the growth.

Do they make the ammo for the artillery weapons, rocket launchers, AKs and handguns?
Cut off the supplies.
Kill their communications.
make them use morse code and smoke signals.

there are thousand ways to cripple an enemy with no state sponsorship.
without boots on the ground.

And think of this folks.
In every war we've won, there were left millions of fighters and supporters alive.
Thousands of Nazi troops never died after WW2 ended they went home (or to south america). still NAZIs
Thousands of Japanese troops never died, they went home... some years after the war was over.

We never KILL ALL of the enemy, many NEVER have a change of heart.
but they go home and don't fight anymore.
That's the best we can hope for in some cases.
Create conditions where they can't hold a state or local hostage and can't fight as a unit over a large area.
It's the 21century, troops on the ground is not the ONLY way to stop a "war".

If you want to end all the people believing in "radical islam" well good luck with that.
How about starting with ending all the people believing in Nazism 1st.

[fj1200]

--which damn sure includes stopping the arms coming to and ---GIVEN- to them by obama!
Say, why and how do you expect America to stop arms coming to them when the obama secretly gives them 5 billion dollars worth or armor, arms and ammunitions?

Link?


where is it?
How is it growing? stop the growth.

They are apparently very good at taxing the populace at extremely high levels and for almost any purpose. The Democrats would be proud of their tax policy. :eek:

[Elessar]

You really know how to make friends and influence people don't you :lame2:


It's good to know that you've taken time out of your busy day, to talk to us racist bigots who aren't as American as you.:laugh2:

Nice put-down Trigg!

[Elessar]

????????????

What did Greenland ever do to you ??

Heh-heh...I could have suggested Iceland.:laugh:

[Gunny]

Nice put-down Trigg!

She's a chip off the old block, that's for sure. :)

[Jeff]

where is it?
How is it growing? stop the growth.

Do they make the ammo for the artillery weapons, rocket launchers, AKs and handguns?
Cut off the supplies.
Kill their communications.
make them use morse code and smoke signals.

there are thousand ways to cripple an enemy with no state sponsorship.
without boots on the ground.

And think of this folks.
In every war we've won, there were left millions of fighters and supporters alive.
Thousands of Nazi troops never died after WW2 ended they went home (or to south america). still NAZIs
Thousands of Japanese troops never died, they went home... some years after the war was over.

We never KILL ALL of the enemy, many NEVER have a change of heart.
but they go home and don't fight anymore.
That's the best we can hope for in some cases.
Create conditions where they can't hold a state or local hostage and can't fight as a unit over a large area.
It's the 21century, troops on the ground is not the ONLY way to stop a "war".

If you want to end all the people believing in "radical islam" well good luck with that.
How about starting with ending all the people believing in Nazism 1st.

We should of cut off their supplies 2 years ago, funny how we can now find them but before Russia and France decided to by-pass us we just couldn't seem to pin it down. :rolleyes:

[Gunny]

We should of cut off their supplies 2 years ago, funny how we can now find them but before Russia and France decided to by-pass us we just couldn't seem to pin it down. :rolleyes:

Well, our so-called President wasn't so busy identifying with and making deals our enemies and with street thugs and making long winded speeches on tv ....

He COULD shut his mouth and look around and see what's going on in the REAL world.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Link?
ha, as if you link your damn blather.. stuff it pedro--if you think it wrong go prove it with linked facts.
Its called refutation... You are not worthy for me to bother with any of our requests because to me you are nothing more than a damn shill.-Tyr


Damn, you are every bit the lying troll that others are only now starting to see.
Super glue that crack in your armor Hoss. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Don't ya just love it when truth rears its ugly head! ;) --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We should of cut off their supplies 2 years ago, funny how we can now find them but before Russia and France decided to by-pass us we just couldn't seem to pin it down. :rolleyes:

The stinking bama knew, who do you think ordered no air strikes on their command center in Raqqa??
Which would be the top target in any war!!!!!--Tyr

[fj1200]

Damn, hosed again.

I didn't think you had one.

[Drummond]

where is it?
How is it growing? stop the growth.

Do they make the ammo for the artillery weapons, rocket launchers, AKs and handguns?
Cut off the supplies.
Kill their communications.
make them use morse code and smoke signals.

there are thousand ways to cripple an enemy with no state sponsorship.
without boots on the ground.

And think of this folks.
In every war we've won, there were left millions of fighters and supporters alive.
Thousands of Nazi troops never died after WW2 ended they went home (or to south america). still NAZIs
Thousands of Japanese troops never died, they went home... some years after the war was over.

We never KILL ALL of the enemy, many NEVER have a change of heart.
but they go home and don't fight anymore.
That's the best we can hope for in some cases.
Create conditions where they can't hold a state or local hostage and can't fight as a unit over a large area.
It's the 21century, troops on the ground is not the ONLY way to stop a "war".

If you want to end all the people believing in "radical islam" well good luck with that.
How about starting with ending all the people believing in Nazism 1st.

Unbelievable.

You've not grasped the reality of ISIS, have you ?

ISIS are expansionist. It's not just that they're power-hungry (they are). It's not just that they want to create their Caliphate over the largest expanse of territory, dominating as many people, as they possibly can (they do). What they particularly gain by taking over territory is its resources. They now have oil fields. They now have weaponry, not just because they've bought it, but because they captured all that remained within the territories captured. The more territory they take, the more they capture.

Containing them MIGHT have helped, if we had no evidence that they'd sent anyone abroad, and we believed they had no means of doing so ... but we all know about the refugee swarms heading away from Syria and into Europe. We also know that they have Jihadist support from 'home grown' people which can be deployed to commit terrorist atrocities (Paris proved that).

In any event, we have had news of an organiser of theirs who freely made trips between France and Syria, UNDETECTED.

So, 'containment' is meaningless. And if you want to try and starve them of funds, and the means to spend what they have, you'll still be waiting around for a very considerable amount of time for it to have any effect ... which it WON'T have in any case, as the very existence of foreign terrorist cells proves.

How many repeats of Paris, or maybe even rehashings of 9/11 do you want to have happen while you're patiently waiting around for a hoped-for 'effect' of fund and resource starvation, in the Middle East, one which will have no impact on foreign terrorist cells ?? An illustration: what conceivable help will your approach have, should what's being reported here, turn out to be the forerunner of a real threat ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328154/Belgium-terror-lockdown-Brussels-metro-closed-people-warned-avoid-public-areas-warning-imminent-threat.html


Brussels has been put into security lockdown after Belgian intelligence received 'precise information' of a planned Paris-style ISIS attack in the capital.

Belgium's prime minister Charles Michel confirmed that the decision to raise the terror alert level in Brussels was taken 'based on quite precise information about the risk of an attack like the one that happened in Paris.'

Service has been halted on the Brussels subway system and heavily armed police and soldiers are patrolling the Belgian capital amid a high security alert.

The country's national security center has raised the terror threat level to Level four after fears of a 'serious and imminent' terror threat involving 'weapons and explosives'.

How many deaths are you willing to tolerate, while we all wait around for YOUR solution to work, when there's a more direct and immediate answer to ISIS ?

There is only one real answer. You WIPE THE SCUM OUT. You do what it takes. If one measure fails, you employ another, and another, until success is seen.

It's that simple.

[revelarts]

Unbelievable.

You've not grasped the reality of ISIS, have you ?

ISIS are expansionist. It's not just that they're power-hungry (they are). It's not just that they want to create their Caliphate over the largest expanse of territory, dominating as many people, as they possibly can (they do). What they particularly gain by taking over territory is its resources. They now have oil fields. They now have weaponry, not just because they've bought it, but because they captured all that remained within the territories captured. The more territory they take, the more they capture.

Containing them MIGHT have helped, if we had no evidence that they'd sent anyone abroad, and we believed they had no means of doing so ... but we all know about the refugee swarms heading away from Syria and into Europe. We also know that they have Jihadist support from 'home grown' people which can be deployed to commit terrorist atrocities (Paris proved that).

In any event, we have had news of an organiser of theirs who freely made trips between France and Syria, UNDETECTED.

So, 'containment' is meaningless. And if you want to try and starve them of funds, and the means to spend what they have, you'll still be waiting around for a very considerable amount of time for it to have any effect ... which it WON'T have in any case, as the very existence of foreign terrorist cells proves.

How many repeats of Paris, or maybe even rehashings of 9/11 do you want to have happen while you're patiently waiting around for a hoped-for 'effect' of fund and resource starvation, in the Middle East, one which will have no impact on foreign terrorist cells ?? An illustration: what conceivable help will your approach have, should what's being reported here, turn out to be the forerunner of a real threat ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328154/Belgium-terror-lockdown-Brussels-metro-closed-people-warned-avoid-public-areas-warning-imminent-threat.html



How many deaths are you willing to tolerate, while we all wait around for YOUR solution to work, when there's a more direct and immediate answer to ISIS ?

There is only one real answer. You WIPE THE SCUM OUT. You do what it takes. If one measure fails, you employ another, and another, until success is seen.

It's that simple.
It's not that "simple". that's part of the problem.
You and other want to imagine it's simple by painting ALL muslims as evil enemies that JUST need to be destroyed.
Sorry but that's closed minded and fearFULL thinking.

You blithely ignore all of the nuance, the various muslim thoughts and actions at play, our role in the middle east, the mixed histories and reasons for the problem/conflict and even deny the muslims humanity.

And finally blindly remove all other solutions from the table and want to only put in it's place pure violence alone.

You're just promoting the idea that we must "WIPE THE SCUM OUT", but personally i don't see too much difference in you here than the radical Muslim saying "Kill the Infidels".

Seems to me People of goodwill should uses every mean available to encourage the broader PEACE while marginalizing or bringing the select radical perpetrators of terror to justice or the grave.

[Gunny]

It's not that "simple". that's part of the problem.
You and other want to imagine it's simple by painting ALL muslims as evil enemies that JUST need to be destroyed.
Sorry but that's closed minded and fearFULL thinking.

You blithely ignore all of the nuance, the various muslim thoughts and actions at play, our role in the middle east, the mixed histories and reasons for the problem/conflict and even deny the muslims humanity.

And finally blindly remove all other solutions from the table and want to only put in it's place pure violence alone.

You're just promoting the idea that we must "WIPE THE SCUM OUT", but personally i don't see too much difference in you here than the radical Muslim saying "Kill the Infidels".

Seems to me People of goodwill should uses every mean available to encourage the broader PEACE while marginalizing or bringing the select radical perpetrators of terror to justice or the grave.

You going to defend religion EVERYWHERE on the board? The fact is look how the left treats Christians. They think we want to come into their houses and force Bible verses down their throats. Everyone needs an enemy. But Islam is what I talked yo you about in the other thread. Could we keep it in one? You're quick to accuse and force your religion but defend others are murdering people in the name of theirs.

Rethink your argument. A look in the mirror might work.

[aboutime]

It's not that "simple". that's part of the problem.
You and other want to imagine it's simple by painting ALL muslims as evil enemies that JUST need to be destroyed.
Sorry but that's closed minded and fearFULL thinking.

You blithely ignore all of the nuance, the various muslim thoughts and actions at play, our role in the middle east, the mixed histories and reasons for the problem/conflict and even deny the muslims humanity.

And finally blindly remove all other solutions from the table and want to only put in it's place pure violence alone.

You're just promoting the idea that we must "WIPE THE SCUM OUT", but personally i don't see too much difference in you here than the radical Muslim saying "Kill the Infidels".

Seems to me People of goodwill should uses every mean available to encourage the broader PEACE while marginalizing or bringing the select radical perpetrators of terror to justice or the grave.



Rev. Please try to explain why you are so offended by accusing Muslims, yet you probably do not want any of us to know...or get the idea YOU PROBABLY, would happily say the very same about White People who dare to Disagree with you. Isn't that part of your Obama fairytale where anyone who disagree's is a RACIST?

[revelarts]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/rubicon666/12241173_146398949050351_5829088733417578293_n_zps htam1u9f.jpg

not the whole story but a solid part of it.

[aboutime]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/rubicon666/12241173_146398949050351_5829088733417578293_n_zps htam1u9f.jpg


Now that's something I can agree with, and believe you about rev. Put you in the center, as pivot man, and the circle NEVER ENDS.