PUTIN: ISIS Funded By 30 Countries Including G20 Members

[Christie Brinkley]

Many political commentators in the US and the UK are asking the question "why are countries funding ISIS?" and "why is the west not stopping them?" (I think they know the answer they just want to keep their jobs).

Putin said he knows of 40 countries including G20 members who have or are funding ISIS


I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) units by private individuals. This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and, there are some of the G20 members among them


I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum product


The motorcade of refueling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometers, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 meters they stretch beyond the horizon

Putin really is a thorn in the side of the internationalists.

Read More (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/putin-shares-intel-g20-exposing-isis-financed-40-countries/)

[revelarts]

this is the kinda CRAP that shows the whole "war" BS!

once again we have the best enemies money can buy.

I've pointed this out before. there NO WAY for ISIS to be a the huge threat they are without MAJOR CASH, WEAPONS and SUPPLIES. (not to mention training)
and protection for the free flow of all of it.there's just NO way all of Europe, the U.S., Israel, and our "allies" in the M.E. don't have a hand in it.

[gabosaurus]

Putin should get his own house in order before he starts accusing others.

[Christie Brinkley]

Putin should get his own house in order before he starts accusing others.
Mind explaining?:rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

Big deal, so he said private individuals donated from over 40 countries. Should that be a surprise? For all we know that could be muslims in every country. And yes, we knew funding came from the oil. They've been selling off oil and making like $1 million dollar per day on the black market. None of this is even "new" news.

[Christie Brinkley]

Big deal, so he said private individuals donated from over 40 countries. Should that be a surprise? For all we know that could be muslims in every country. And yes, we knew funding came from the oil. They've been selling off oil and making like $1 million dollar per day on the black market. None of this is even "new" news.
Selling the oil to Turkey yet there is no outrage at them funding terrorism?

[jimnyc]

Selling the oil to Turkey yet there is no outrage at them funding terrorism?

What lack of outrage? Everyone knows that Turkey is full of scumbags. Buying oil from terrorists is no surprise.

Not much worse than commies funding terrorists acting as leaders in Syria.

[Christie Brinkley]

What lack of outrage? Everyone knows that Turkey is full of scumbags. Buying oil from terrorists is no surprise.

Not much worse than commies funding terrorists acting as leaders in Syria.
Yet the US acts like Turkey is fighting terrorism?

[jimnyc]

Yet the US acts like Turkey is fighting terrorism?

And what has the UK done about it?

[Christie Brinkley]

And what has the UK done about it?
Nothing as well. I only mention the US because the internationalists are using your nation as its military muscle to wage conflicts to benefit their aims not the aims of the US people.

[jimnyc]

Nothing as well. I only mention the US because the internationalists are using your nation as its military muscle to wage conflicts to benefit their aims not the aims of the US people.

You whined that you wanted your own UK subforum, but then spend time pointing fingers at the US. How about spending some time in the forum I made for you? You can point out all of the cowardly ways of your country, and all of these things you say they do "as well", but never post for whatever reason. You're either one of the most intellectually dishonest people I've come across, or you spend half your time trolling.

[Christie Brinkley]

You whined that you wanted your own UK subforum, but then spend time pointing fingers at the US. How about spending some time in the forum I made for you? You can point out all of the cowardly ways of your country, and all of these things you say they do "as well", but never post for whatever reason. You're either one of the most intellectually dishonest people I've come across, or you spend half your time trolling.
Since I am on a forum of predominantly American members you tend to talk about America. Sure I would be pointing out things that the UK government does but the threads I made a few weeks ago have few replies as many don't have a great knowledge of UK politics.

[revelarts]

"big deal"? really? sheesh. YES it's a big deal.

if we are so concerned about the growth of ISIS and are ready to go flying off to "fight" ISIS before they come here to ''kill us all',
and we can pinpoint the funders? Doesn't it make sense that we target the funders and suppliers. That's real and legit PRE-EMPTIVE striking.
Maybe by BLOCKING or SEIZING their funds. Arresting them and bringing them before a U.S. or International court?
Choking the supply lines in our Ally's country before it reaches the enemy? Staving the enemy.

Wouldn't that be MORE cost effective than sending troops to die and planes to fight the terrorist AFTER they are fed, clothed, housed, armed and fueled up?

you folks keep ignoring the problem and the opportunity.
AND/OR the complicity of the U.S. and our so called Allies.

You ignore it or just want to attack the messengers rather than the ISIS enablers. WHO EVER they may be.
why is that? What are you defending here?

[jimnyc]

"big deal"? really? sheesh. YES it's a big deal.

if we are so concerned about the growth if ISIS and are ready to go flying off to "fight" ISIS before they come here to kill us all
and we can pinpoint the funders? Doesn't it make sense that we target the funders and suppliers. That's real and legit PRE-EMPTIVE striking.
Maybe by BLOCKING or SEIZING their funds. Arresting them and bringing them before a U.S. or International court?
Choking the supply lines in our Ally's country before it reaches the enemy? Staving the enemy.

Wouldn't that be MORE cost effective than sending troops to die and planes to fight the terrorist AFTER they are fed, clothed, housed, armed and fueled up?


you folks keep ignoring the problem and the opportunity.
AND/OR the complicity of the U.S. and our so called Allies.

You ignore it or just want to attack the messengers rather than the ISIS enablers. WHO EVER they may be.
why is that? What are you defending here?

And Russia can supply this EXACT list then, make it easy for intel agencies around the world to go in and take out those making donations. That should be easy.

Specifically - which countries specifically - did these donations come from? And no, I'm not going back to re-read the entire thing, surely you can supply that little nugget for me.

[revelarts]

How about for a start asking our NATO and M.E. allies like Turkey and "good friends" the Saudis to stop the supply lines? those can be seen from satellite photos and by asking the Kurd who are TRYING to stop them.

We've already given the Turks and/or sold them BILLIONS in arms, planes and training.


ISIS supply lines FYI reminder


...ISIS’ supply lines run precisely where Syrian and Iraqi air power cannot go. To the north and into NATO-member Turkey, and to the southwest into US allies Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Beyond these borders exists a logistical network that spans a region including both Eastern Europe and North Africa.Terrorists and weapons left over from NATO’s intervention in Libya in 2011 were promptly sent to Turkey and then onto Syria – coordinated by US State Department officials and intelligence agencies in Benghazi – a terrorist hotbed for decades.The London Telegraph would report in their 2013 article, “CIA ‘running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked’ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/10218288/CIA-running-arms-smuggling-team-in-Benghazi-when-consulate-was-attacked.html),” that:[CNN] said that a CIA team was working in an annex near the consulate on a project to supply missiles from Libyan armouries to Syrian rebels.
Weapons have also come from Eastern Europe, with the New York Times reporting in 2013 in their article, “Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With Aid From C.I.A. (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/world/middleeast/arms-airlift-to-syrian-rebels-expands-with-cia-aid.html?_r=0),” that:From offices at secret locations, American intelligence officers have helped the Arab governments shop for weapons, including a large procurement from Croatia, and have vetted rebel commanders and groups to determine who should receive the weapons as they arrive, according to American officials speaking on the condition of anonymity.
And while Western media sources continuously refer to ISIS and other factions operating under the banner of Al Qaeda as “rebels” or “moderates,” it is clear that if billions of dollars in weapons were truly going to “moderates,” they, not ISIS would be dominating the battlefield.Recent revelations have revealed (http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/25/washington-confesses-to-backing-questionable-actors-in-syria/) that as early as 2012 the United States Department of Defense not only anticipated the creation of a “Salafist Principality” straddling Syria and Iraq precisely where ISIS now exists, it welcomed it eagerly and contributed to the circumstances required to bring it about.Just How Extensive Are ISIS’ Supply Lines? While many across the West play willfully ignorant as to where ISIS truly gets their supplies from in order to maintain its impressive fighting capacity, some journalists have traveled to the region and have video taped and reported on the endless convoys of trucks supplying the terrorist army.Were these trucks traveling to and from factories in seized ISIS territory deep within Syrian and Iraqi territory? No. They were traveling from deep within Turkey, crossing the Syrian border with absolute impunity, and headed on their way with the implicit protection of nearby Turkish military forces. Attempts by Syria to attack these convoys and the terrorists flowing in with them have been met by Turkish air defenses.Germany’s international broadcaster Deutsche Welle (DW) published the first video report from a major Western media outlet illustrating that ISIS is supplied not by “black market oil” or “hostage ransoms” but billions of dollars worth of supplies carried into Syria across NATO member Turkey’s borders via hundreds of trucks a day.

The report titled, “‘IS’ supply channels through Turkey, (http://www.dw.de/is-supply-channels-through-turkey/av-18091048)” confirms what has been reported by geopolitical analysts (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/10/nato-using-al-qaeda-rat-lines-to-flood.html) since at least as early as 2011 – that ISIS subsides on immense, multi-national state sponsorship, including, obviously, Turkey itself.Looking at maps of ISIS-held territory and reading action reports of its offensive maneuvers throughout the region and even beyond, one might imagine hundreds of trucks a day would be required to maintain this level of fighting capacity. One could imagine similar convoys crossing into Iraq from Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Similar convoys are likely passing into Syria from Jordan.In all, considering the realities of logistics and their timeless importance to military campaigns throughout human history, there is no other plausible explanation to ISIS’s ability to wage war within Syria and Iraq besides immense resources being channeled to it from abroad.If an army marches on its stomach, and ISIS’ stomachs are full of NATO and Persian Gulf State supplies, ISIS will continue to march long and hard. The key to breaking the back of ISIS, is breaking the back of its supply lines. To do that however, and precisely why the conflict has dragged on for so long, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and others would have to eventually secure the borders and force ISIS to fight within Turkish, Jordanian, and Saudi territory – a difficult scenario to implement as nations like Turkey have created defacto buffer zones within Syrian territory which would require a direct military confrontation with Turkey itself to eliminate.....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/logisti...s-guns/5454726 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/5454726)

the info here is sourced back to mainstream news and gov't docs .

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/wo...-aid.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/world/middleeast/arms-airlift-to-syrian-rebels-expands-with-cia-aid.html?_r=1)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-attacked.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/10218288/CIA-running-arms-smuggling-team-in-Benghazi-when-consulate-was-attacked.html)
http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/25/wa...tors-in-syria/ (http://journal-neo.org/2015/05/25/washington-confesses-to-backing-questionable-actors-in-syria/)
http://www.dw.com/en/is-supply-chann...ey/av-18091048 (http://www.dw.com/en/is-supply-channels-through-turkey/av-18091048)
Interviews with Trukish truckers, Kerdish fighters and others talking about shipments of hundreds of trucks with goods weapons and fighters crossing the boarder and suppling ISIS and the Trukish officials -high and low -doing NOTHING to stop it.

And here's more
http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials...ase-in-jordan/ (http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan/)
http://www.judicialwatch.org/documen...tate-14-812-2/ (http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/pgs-287-293-291-jw-v-dod-and-state-14-812-2/)
the DOD doc that states the Western position to work with all groups


AMY GOODMAN: “The Wall Street Journal recently revealed new details about how Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud, Saudi’s former ambassador to the United States, is leading the effort to prop up the Syrian rebels. The Wall Street Journal reports Prince Bandar has been jetting from covert command centers near the Syrian front lines to the Élysée Palace in Paris and the Kremlin in Moscow seeking to undermine the outside machine. The journal also reports intelligence agents from Saudi Arabia, the US, Jordan and other allied States are working at a secret joint operation center in Jordan to train and arm handpicked Syrian rebels.

ADAM ENTOUS: Last summer they be created this operation center, and what what is happening now is you have actually more CIA officers now there at that base than there are Saudi personnel. They fly weapons in. The Saudis are the ones who are doing the bulk of this. They buy the weapons largely in places like Eastern Europe, and to a certain extent Libya, and they bring into this base, which has a landing strip and store houses for the weapons to be stored. They, the Saudis and the Jordanians draw on the defectors, largely from the Syrian military which already have a good degree of military training, and they’re brought to this base where different intel-agencies train them, and the Americans are there,the Brits are there, the French are there, the Saudis, UAE is there. And then they train them and then they send them into the fight but very, very slowly this process has been built up over the last couple of months.”
(Source: Iran-Contra Redux? Prince Bandar Heads Secret Saudi-CIA Effort to Aid Syrian Rebels, Topple Assad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqtSaIikQ-o) | Time Reference: 34:11



http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Fox news
LT. GENERAL MCINERNEY:
“Syria we backed, I believe in some cases, some of the wrong people, and not in the right part of the Free Syrian Army and that’s a little confusing to people, so I’ve always maintained and go back quite some time that we were backing the wrong types.I think it’s gonna turn out maybe this weekend, in a new special that Brett Baer’s gonna have Friday, it’s gonna show some of those weapons from Benghazi ended up in the hands of ISIS.
So we helped build ISIS. Now there’s a danger there and I’m with you.”
(Source: Lt. General McInerney says Obama helped build ISIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elPBhP0mZTI) | Time Reference: 38:19)

[jimnyc]

And Russia can supply this EXACT list then, make it easy for intel agencies around the world to go in and take out those making donations. That should be easy.

Specifically - which countries specifically - did these donations come from? And no, I'm not going back to re-read the entire thing, surely you can supply that little nugget for me.

In case you missed this, Rev, since you 'sheeshed' me into responding to you. :)

[revelarts]

In case you missed this, Rev, since you 'sheeshed' me into responding to you. :)


Yes Sheshed this...

Big deal, so he said private individuals donated from over 40 countries. Should that be a surprise? For all we know that could be muslims in every country. And yes, we knew funding came from the oil. They've been selling off oil and making like $1 million dollar per day on the black market. None of this is even "new" news.

You didn't seem to care WHICH countries or persons here, or oil supply lines here.

Are you now saying you're ALL on board for attacking ISIS funders... but only if you personally know EXACTLY who they are?
But if not then it's no "big deal" and not "NEW" news?

And Are you more concerned about my answer, and attacking me,
rather than thinking together to fight ISIS in the ways I mentioned in the previous post

[jimnyc]

Yes Sheshed this...


You didn't seem to care WHICH countries or persons here, or oil supply lines here.

Are you now saying you're ALL on board for attacking ISIS funders... but only if you personally know EXACTLY who they are?
But if not then it's no "big deal" and not "NEW" news?

Yes, and then you replied - and then I asked you a direct question - to which you have yet to respond to. You responded to my question with something totally different. One at a time, if you don't mind.

And please FUCKING STOP putting words in my mouth. How long have I asked this of you now? 2 maybe 3 years? And you still do it?

And my point is, for the idiots in the group - did Putin give us names we can investigate? If not, why the fuck should we believe him? If he did, then investigate them. If not in the USA, then stop fucking bellyaching about the USA and have other countries put their fucking panties on and do something about it. But for the fucking love of all that is good - STOP PUTTING FUCKING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

So I guess you DO know the specifics. Can you post those names and countries here, and then I'll tell you exactly how it should be handled. What are the total dollar amounts, and from who, and which country? Is it $5 per donation, or $90 million?

Or how about we start with a list of the countries they gave proof about, let's start with that.

[revelarts]

Yes, and then you replied - and then I asked you a direct question - to which you have yet to respond to. You responded to my question with something totally different. One at a time, if you don't mind.

And please FUCKING STOP putting words in my mouth. How long have I asked this of you now? 2 maybe 3 years? And you still do it?

And my point is, for the idiots in the group - did Putin give us names we can investigate? If not, why the fuck should we believe him? If he did, then investigate them. If not in the USA, then stop fucking bellyaching about the USA and have other countries put their fucking panties on and do something about it. But for the fucking love of all that is good - STOP PUTTING FUCKING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

So I guess you DO know the specifics. Can you post those names and countries here, and then I'll tell you exactly how it should be handled. What are the total dollar amounts, and from who, and which country? Is it $5 per donation, or $90 million?

Or how about we start with a list of the countries they gave proof about, let's start with that.
LOL
jim

you ask a question with the ulterior motive of making one point.
but then get mad when i make a guess and ASK YOU if you mean something else by it?
I didn't put words "in your mouth"
I asked you if you based on your words meant...
stopped being so thin skinned and look if you want to make your, point just make it.
Don't ask me to do research for you because you're "...not going back to re-read the entire thing...".

But look here again you're attack ME:rolleyes: and not ISIS OR it's suppliers, WTH Jim?

I gave you a list of options that could be taken and known targets, suppliers and allies behaving badly helping terrorist.
Putin says he has a list of MORE financiers and Suppliers but you attack Putin's character question his honesty and get pissy with ME for the crime of not answering your question in the way you like?
What the frickin' Heck is wrong with this picture man?

[Drummond]

On the whole issue of who has funded ISIS .. I doubt that there's any simple, definitive answer that can be given (apart, maybe, from a couple of Middle Eastern sources, maybe, aka 'The Likely Suspects').

My point is this: I'm sure a great many individuals, purely AS individuals, have played their part in funding. Also, ISIS has made its own efforts to raise funds, be it from propagandist deception, coercion and the like.

Who remembers ISIS's captures of hostages, followed by their demands for hefty ransoms for their return ? Some countries PAID UP (... and had a public rebuke from David Cameron for doing so).

Then, there's been the earlier, somewhat 'muddy', perception of who exactly WAS originally ranged against Assad in Syria. Certainly, the BBC did what it enjoyed doing where Gaddafi was concerned, namely, saying that Gaddafi was the 'baddie', and all rebels against him were 'goodies'. They did exactly the same, for a time, where Assad was concerned, simply labelling Assad as the criminal of the piece and the rebels as brave fighters against tyranny.

It tool a while for our own media to start questioning who it was who was fighting Assad !!! So it seems to me that, in this confusion, ISIS may well have profited by getting support from those not fully knowing who ISIS were, what they really represented.

Judging by the hostages-for-ransom example, I think it's reasonable to suppose that whatever revenues ISIS now has, it hasn't had for very long. This suggests (a) recent donations, but also (b) wealth seized just as territory has been. I'm willing to bet that a lot of what ISIS now has, has simply come about by the seizing of assets of value as territory fell under their control.

.. Anyway ....

From August 2014 ..

http://5pillarsuk.com/2014/08/17/david-cameron-vows-to-crack-down-on-isis-supporters-in-britain/


Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Prime Minister David Cameron says the West is embroiled in a “generational struggle” against a poisonous brand of Islamic extremism that will bring terror to the streets of Britain unless urgent action is taken to defeat it.

.... 'We are in the middle of a generational struggle against a poisonous and extremist ideology, which I believe we will be fighting for the rest of my political lifetime. We face in Isil a new threat that is single-minded, determined and unflinching in pursuit of its objectives. Already it controls not just thousands of minds, but thousands of square miles of territory, sweeping aside much of the boundary between Iraq and Syria to carve out its so-called caliphate. It makes no secret of its expansionist aims. Even today it has the ancient city of Aleppo firmly within its sights. And it boasts of its designs on Jordan and Lebanon, and right up to the Turkish border. If it succeeds, we would be facing a terrorist state on the shores of the Mediterranean and bordering a NATO member.

This is a clear danger to Europe and to our security. It is a daunting challenge. But it is not an invincible one, as long as we are now ready and able to summon up the political will to defend our own values and way of life with the same determination, courage and tenacity as we have faced danger before in our history. That is how much is at stake here: we have no choice but to rise to the challenge.'

Cameron is wedded to the 'belief' that ISIS is an aberration in Islamic terms, and clings to that delusion, also insisting that others do the same. But, within that initially misguided starting-point, he has been clear for a long time that ISIS has been a serious threat to the West and is a problem needing to be tackled. He was saying this a year ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2742272/Cameron-tells-European-leaders-good-word-stop-funding-ISIS-ransom-payments.html


David Cameron today urged European leaders to ‘be good to their word’ and stop funding ISIS fanatics by paying ransoms.The Prime Minister said ‘tens of millions of dollars’ had been paid to extremists in Iraq and Syria. He said this was helping to promote terror against Britain.

Mr Cameron told MPs France, Germany and other countries in the G7 group of wealthy countries had pledged not to pay ransoms at a summit in Northern Ireland last year. But the PM indicated they were not sticking to this agreement.

The Prime Minister’s remarks, in the House of Commons this afternoon, come after ISIS extremists threatened to murder a British hostage after releasing a video of themselves beheading two American journalists.

The Briton’s capture emerged in a propaganda video titled 'A Second Message to America', in which US journalist Steven Sotloff is murdered by an ISIS executioner who speaks with a British accent. The murderer is believed to be the same man who beheaded James Foley two weeks ago.

Former Lib Dem leader Sir Ming Campbell asked the Prime Minister today whether those who were paying ransoms were aware that the cash was being used ‘to advance the malevolent objectives of terrorism’.

The Prime Minister said: ‘There is no doubt in my mind that the many tens of millions of dollars that ISIL has raised from ransom payments is going into promoting terrorism, including terrorism affecting our own country.

‘At the G8, I launched an initiative to try to get other countries to sign up to a very clear doctrine that in the case of terrorist kidnap, no ransom should be paid. Britain continues with this policy; America continues with this policy; but we need to redouble the efforts to make sure that other countries are good to their word.’

Mr Cameron’s remarks are a barely-veiled rebuke to France, Germany and Italy who are known to pay ransoms.

The Prime Minister last month faced calls to confront the French President Francois Hollande over claims the country is funding ISIS terrorists by paying ransoms to free hostages.

At the beginning of this year (I think you have to subscribe in order to get complete articles from this source ?):

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-1.639542


LONDON — A Tel Aviv analyst working for a Singapore-based cyber intelligence company says he has uncovered concrete evidence that a terror cell, purporting to be related to Islamic State and operating in the Americas, is soliciting for Bitcoins as part of its fundraising efforts.

[jimnyc]

LOL
jim

you ask a question with the ulterior motive of making one point.
but then get mad when i make a guess and ASK YOU if you mean something else by it?
I didn't put words "in your mouth"
I asked you if you based on your words meant...
stopped being so thin skinned and look if you want to make your, point just make it.
Don't ask me to do research for you because you're "...not going back to re-read the entire thing...".

But look here again you're attack ME:rolleyes: and not ISIS OR it's suppliers, WTH Jim?

I gave you a list of options that could be taken and known targets, suppliers and allies behaving badly helping terrorist.
Putin says he has a list of MORE financiers and Suppliers but you attack Putin's character question his honesty and get pissy with ME for the crime of not answering your question in the way you like?
What the frickin' Heck is wrong with this picture man?

No, the point was, you ran with an article that you have NO FACTS on, just taking the word of Putin. Besides that, you're a fucking idiot. You can't quote people and you continually just invent quotes of others. You still write like a 3rd grader and your brain is mush from all the conspiracy theory bullshit you live on.

Simply prove the stuff in the article. You want to complain about those that Putin says gave money - WHO gave the money? How can you complain about the USA and said money, if you don't know who gave it? It's a simple question, which countries specifically donated and which individuals?

Nevermind, back to your regularly scheduled gibberish now.