ISIS claims responsibility for Russian jet crash

[jimnyc]

Now can we drop nukes? I'm not even a fan of Russia, but these are wormy terrorists that did this, not some real army. And 224 dead?

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Victims 'found over three-mile radius' after plane with 224 on board crashes in Egypt leaving no survivors - but officials blame 'technical fault'

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[jimnyc]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for destroying a Russian passenger jet in response to Vladimir Putin's decision to bomb Jihadi targets in Syria, although both Moscow and Egypt have denied any possible terrorism link.

The aircraft, which had 200 adult passengers, 17 children and seven crew crashed less than 25 minutes after it took off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh.

The Irish-owned aircraft was leased by a Russian airline who were carrying package holiday passengers back to St Peterburg in northern Russia.

It crashed in the Hassana area, south of Arish. Security forces discovered the crash wreckage in a remote mountainous area in a region containing many ISIS-affiliated terrorists.

Egyptian sources are claiming that wreckage has been spread over a three-mile area while an ISIS-affiliate has tried to claim responsibility for the disaster.

According to the statement: 'The soldiers of the caliphate succeeded in bringing down a Russian plane in Sinai.' However, Russian transport ministry sources dismissed the claim suggesting 'they cannot be accurate'.

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[Christie Brinkley]

They could of sabotaged the aircraft? Or ISIS are lying...

[jimnyc]

They could of sabotaged the aircraft? Or ISIS are lying...

Perhaps, time will tell, but it wouldn't surprise me. ISIS has taken credit before for things they didn't do. But I say F them, take credit, now you get nuked.

[Kathianne]

It sounded hinky what I heard this morning, no Mayday, just something wrong and permission for emergency landing, y hen 'poof' . Seems the pilot wasn't using normal aviation language.

[Christie Brinkley]

Perhaps, time will tell, but it wouldn't surprise me. ISIS has taken credit before for things they didn't do. But I say F them, take credit, now you get nuked.
The aircraft was flying out the range of any anti aircraft systems.So if ISIS did it then it would have to be sabotage at the airport.

[jimnyc]

It sounded hinky what I heard this morning, no Mayday, just something wrong and permission for emergency landing, y hen 'poof' . Seems the pilot wasn't using normal aviation language.

Perhaps taking advantage of a horrible tragedy. I say nuke them if they think that's funny. Eventually people will get the hint, ISIS is an infestation that needs to be eradicated.

[Gunny]

Now can we drop nukes? I'm not even a fan of Russia, but these are wormy terrorists that did this, not some real army. And 224 dead?

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Victims 'found over three-mile radius' after plane with 224 on board crashes in Egypt leaving no survivors - but officials blame 'technical fault'



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C'mon now. This is where we just spectate. They want to claim credit for crashing one of Putin's planes? I bet THAT is going to go over like a charm. :laugh:

[jimnyc]

C'mon now. This is where we just spectate. They want to claim credit for crashing one of Putin's planes? I bet THAT is going to go over like a charm. :laugh:

Then maybe Putin will get angry and nuke them. I don't care if it's them. I would shake the mans hand if he did!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for destroying a Russian passenger jet in response to Vladimir Putin's decision to bomb Jihadi targets in Syria, although both Moscow and Egypt have denied any possible terrorism link.

The aircraft, which had 200 adult passengers, 17 children and seven crew crashed less than 25 minutes after it took off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh.

The Irish-owned aircraft was leased by a Russian airline who were carrying package holiday passengers back to St Peterburg in northern Russia.

It crashed in the Hassana area, south of Arish. Security forces discovered the crash wreckage in a remote mountainous area in a region containing many ISIS-affiliated terrorists.

Egyptian sources are claiming that wreckage has been spread over a three-mile area while an ISIS-affiliate has tried to claim responsibility for the disaster.

According to the statement: 'The soldiers of the caliphate succeeded in bringing down a Russian plane in Sinai.' However, Russian transport ministry sources dismissed the claim suggesting 'they cannot be accurate'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3297871/Russian-passenger-plane-220-tourists-board-missing-Egypt-Fears-aircraft-crashed-Sinai-desert.html#ixzz3qA6NxzYo
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Imagine that, those advanced shoulder fired missiles the obama fed (MUSLIM TERRORIST GROUPS) ISIS by way of Benhgazi finally used to score a major strike for ISIS.
WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AGAINST RUSSIAN CIVILIANS??--TYR

[Christie Brinkley]

Imagine that, those advanced shoulder fired missiles the obama fed (MUSLIM TERRORIST GROUPS) ISIS by way of Benhgazi finally used to score a major strike for ISIS.
WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AGAINST RUSSIAN CIVILIANS??--TYR
Don't forget the thousands and thousands of stinger missiles that just went missing in Libya:rolleyes:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The aircraft was flying out the range of any anti aircraft systems.So if ISIS did it then it would have to be sabotage at the airport.

Really? Wasn't it downed in mountainous terrain? If so elevation was already there for the ground force that took it out.
Not enough info to make a determination if it was shot down methinks. -Tyr

[Christie Brinkley]

Really? Wasn't it downed in mountainous terrain? If so elevation was already there for the ground force that took it out.
Not enough info to make a determination if it was shot down methinks. -Tyr
They said it vanished form radar when it was at around 30,000 feet, the nearest town to where the plane went down is Nekhel which has an elevation of 1,380 feet and stinger missiles have a range of 15,700 feet. If ISIS did it then it would have to be sabotage.

Are there any other anti aircraft missile systems that can reach up to 30,000 feet?

[jimnyc]

Imagine that, those advanced shoulder fired missiles the obama fed (MUSLIM TERRORIST GROUPS) ISIS by way of Benhgazi finally used to score a major strike for ISIS.
WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AGAINST RUSSIAN CIVILIANS??--TYR

It wasn't any stingers or anything like that. The plane went down due to some sort of malfunction, but then ISIS instantly took credit.

[Gunny]

Then maybe Putin will get angry and nuke them. I don't care if it's them. I would shake the mans hand if he did!

Damn Jim. I keep trying to tell you .. you can't just nuke everything. :laugh:

We're supposed to be alive at the end of the story.

[Christie Brinkley]

Damn Jim. I keep trying to tell you .. you can't just nuke everything. :laugh:

We're supposed to be alive at the end of the story.
If you could manage and contain the fall out/radiation then I might consider such option.

[Christie Brinkley]

It wasn't any stingers or anything like that. The plane went down due to some sort of malfunction, but then ISIS instantly took credit.
Then if the claim is correct they would of had to sabotage the plane before it took off.

[Gunny]

It wasn't any stingers or anything like that. The plane went down due to some sort of malfunction, but then ISIS instantly took credit.

Probably. However, ISIS is adept at playing political games and people need to quit thinking of them as dumb ragheads with AKs. They've used the internet to recruit disaffected/dumbass people from all over the world. Their biggest ploy is their big mouths. It can also be their downfall if anyone chose to exploit it.

Tossing a threat at Putin is stupid. He's a bully and he's going to react like one. I think he has a "few" more resources than ISIS.

[jimnyc]

Damn Jim. I keep trying to tell you .. you can't just nuke everything. :laugh:

We're supposed to be alive at the end of the story.

1 or 2 would kill us? I thought we got away with it in Japan. Nukes too strong these days? Ok then, whatever is not going to kill us, whatever that is, drop tons and tons all over the area then, I have zero sympathy.

[Gunny]

1 or 2 would kill us? I thought we got away with it in Japan. Nukes too strong these days? Ok then, whatever is not going to kill us, whatever that is, drop tons and tons all over the area then, I have zero sympathy.

You don't know how big the Middle East is, I take it. Stop looking at Rand McNally. They purposefully made the US look larger and the rest of the world look smaller for propaganda reasons.

The problem is the fallout goes into the stratosphere and creates a cloud cover the sun can't get through. No sun, no life. The radioactive fallout alone would kill most of us. Those that survived would have to live underground for centuries, if capable.

Those cheesy A-bombs we dropped on Japan were NOTHING compared to what we can do now. That's why I think people don't realize what they're doing allowing a bunch of religious zealots willing to die for their "cause" having the power to destroy the world.

[Rat]

Are there any other anti aircraft missile systems that can reach up to 30,000 feet?

Yes. Several.

[Rat]

stinger missiles have a range of 15,700 feet

Stingers are short range SAM but they have range over 25,000 feet.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/weapons-brought-mh17/story?id=24611265


What Weapons Could Have Brought Down MH17 - And Why



Richard Clarke, former White House counter-terrorism advisor and ABC News consultant, said that if a Russian surface-to-air missile system was used, that wouldn’t necessarily point to who exactly pulled the trigger – whether the Ukrainian military, the Russian military or pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

Malaysia Airlines Plane Brought Down by Missile in Ukraine, US Official Says

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There is also more than one system to consider. A statement from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev earlier today noted that Ukrainian military analysts believe the Russian-made SA-17 Grizzly, or BUK-M2 as it’s known in Russia, may have fired the fatal shot.

“If true, this represents a significant escalation,” the Embassy said. The Embassy described the SA-17 as a “sophisticated system requiring a whole suite of radar and command vehicles.”

The SA-17 Grizzly is one of the more recent of the Russian BUK family of medium-range surface-to-air missile systems. Unlike shoulder-fired, MANPAD rockets, which have a limited range, the SA-17 is a large, mobile missile system fired from military vehicles that can reach tens of thousands of feet in the air – more than high enough to hit a jetliner at cruising altitude, according to an Australian industry analysis of the system.

Developed by the Russians, the SA-17 system has been a point of pride in Moscow where it was featured among other weapons systems in Russian Victory Day parades through Red Square. The state-owned Russian news outlet RIA Novosti reported last year that Russian armed forces hoped to upgrade to a newer version of the missile system in 2016.

Prior to the SA-17, the Russians developed the SA-11 Gadfly, or BUK-M1, which both the Russian military and the Ukrainian military operate. While less sophisticated, missiles fired from the SA-11 can still reach more than high enough to knock out an airliner at cruise altitude, according to IHS Jane’s Missiles and Rockets editor Doug Richardson.

The Ukrainian military also has permanent, fixed position surface-to-air missile systems that would have “no difficulty downing a target flying at 30,000 feet,” but Richardson said operators for those would “have a good idea of the air traffic present in the surrounding area, so would be unlikely to mistake an airliner for a combat aircraft.”

Ukraine has denied it was responsible, Russian President Vladimir Putin said “the state over whose territory it happened is responsible,” since the tragedy “would not have happened if there was peace on this land…” and Ukrainian Security Services released audio of what it said was intercepted conversations between pro-Russian militants that implicated them in the crash. The rebels have reportedly denied responsibility as well, their leader claiming they don't have the weapons necessary to take down the aircraft.

Last month, Gen. Philip Breedlove, NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe, said that the Russian government had been training pro-Russian separatists inside Russia to have an “anti-aircraft capability.” That training, Breedlove said, then appeared to flow into Ukraine.

“What we see in training on the east side of the border is big equipment, tanks, APCs [Armored Personnel Carriers], anti-aircraft capability, and now we see those capabilities being used on the west side of the border,” Breedlove told reporters. Breedlove said he had not seen training in the smaller MANPAD systems, but, “we have seen vehicle-borne capability being trained.”

However, it’s unclear where the separatists may have actually acquired the missile launchers. A Russian news outlet reported earlier this month a group of rebels had seized one surface-to-air platform in Ukraine, but NYU professor and Russian-specialist Mark Galeotti wrote that report was “almost certainly preemptive disinformation.” Galeotti suspects the plane was brought down by a SA-11 “supplied by the Russians.” The U.S. State Department has said before Russia is supplying separatists with heavy weapons.

Steve Ganyard, former Marine Corps fighter pilot and ABC News consultant, said that if the Russian missile systems were used by the rebels, the systems’ complexity could have played a role in the tragedy.

“One idea, and it’s just an idea, that if this was caused a by shoot-down by the separatists themselves, they were probably given only very notional training on this very sophisticated surface-to-air missile systems. So they may not have been able to use the systems that would’ve identified this Malaysian aircraft as a civilian jetliner,” he said. “They may have just seen a target, locked on to it and said, ‘Ready, set, go, we’re going to fire.’”

A senior U.S. official agreed that U.S. analysts fear relatively untrained separatists might have fired wildly, but emphasized that at this point, it’s all still just a theory.

So the plane was to high for shoulder fired missile to take down but not for a bigger far more sophisticated system to bring down.

Remember those billion dollar military aid shipments obama sent when his terrorist muslim pals were in charge in Egypt?
Are they all accounted for??? -Tyr

[Drummond]

The BBC has gone out of its way to report that there's 'no evidence' of the plane being shot down. Though they report the ISIS claim, the BBC's slant on this seems to be dismissive of the claim.

Could be them trying to be politically correct, only admitting to its being a terrorist act when they MUST.

[darin]

Stingers are short range SAM but they have range over 25,000 feet.

Unclassified range is 3-5km going out from point of launch. Unclassified speed is 'supersonic'. Do some math and you get a pretty not-short-range weapon. Short compared to patriot obviously. Could a stinger take down a commercial jet? As part of our training we had to identify soviet-block transport aircraft. Same size +/-. Biggest obstacle would be this - proper engagement by the gunner. Nothing electronic on those sights. Can be taught in an hour, probably, to anyone - if its taught right.

Maybe this was payback for the russians shooting down an airliner a couple years ago? A false flag attack on them?

[jimnyc]

You don't know how big the Middle East is, I take it. Stop looking at Rand McNally. They purposefully made the US look larger and the rest of the world look smaller for propaganda reasons.

The problem is the fallout goes into the stratosphere and creates a cloud cover the sun can't get through. No sun, no life. The radioactive fallout alone would kill most of us. Those that survived would have to live underground for centuries, if capable.

Those cheesy A-bombs we dropped on Japan were NOTHING compared to what we can do now. That's why I think people don't realize what they're doing allowing a bunch of religious zealots willing to die for their "cause" having the power to destroy the world.

Serious question - why didn't we croak when we dropped the big guys in Japan? Nevermind, decided to actually read myself! LOL

I knew they were both nuclear, but assumed the same but a little different technology from over the years. I assumed the fallout would be similar. I'll have to read more.

---

Nuclear Bomb

Nuclear weapons are destructive weapons, created to release the energy from a nuclear reaction. These reactions can be broadly categorized to two, as fission reactions and fusion reactions. In nuclear weapons, either a fission reaction or combinations of fission and fusion reactions are used. In a fission reaction, a large, unstable nucleus is split into smaller stable nuclei and, in the process, energy is released. In a fusion reaction, two types of nuclei are combined together, releasing energy. Atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb are two types of nuclear bombs, which accommodate energy released from above reactions, to cause explosions.

The atomic bomb depends on the fission reactions. Hydrogen bombs are more complex than atomic bombs. Hydrogen bomb is also known as a thermonuclear weapon. In the fusion reaction, two hydrogen isotopes, which are deuterium and tritium, fuse to form helium releasing energy. The centre of the bomb has a very large number of tritium and deuterium. Nuclear fusion is triggered by few atomic bombs placed in the outer cover of the bomb. They start to split and release neutrons and X–ray from Uranium. A chain reaction will start. This energy causes the fusion reaction to occur at high pressures and high temperatures in the core region. When this reaction happens, the released energy causes the uranium in outer regions to undergo fission reactions releasing more energy. Therefore, the core triggers few atomic bomb explosions too.

The first nuclear bomb was exploded over Hiroshima, Japan, on Aug. 6, 1945. After three days from this attack, the second nuclear bomb was placed on Nagasaki. These bombs caused so much death and destruction to both the cities that showed the dangerous nature of nuclear bombs to the world.

Atomic Bomb

Atomic bombs release energy through the nuclear fission reactions. The energy source for this is a large, unstable radioactive element like Uranium or Plutonium. Since the Uranium nucleus is unstable, it breaks down to two smaller atoms emitting neutrons and energy constantly, to become stable. When there is a small amount of atoms, the released energy can’t do much harm. In a bomb, the atoms are tightly packed with the force of the TNT explosion. So when Uranium nucleus decay and emit neutrons, they can’t escape out. They collide with another nucleus, to release more neutrons. Likewise, all the Uranium nuclei will hit by neutrons, and neutrons will be released. This will take place like a chain reaction, and the number of neutrons and energy will be released in an exponentially increasing manner. Because of the dense TNT packing, these released neutrons can’t escape, and with a fraction of a second, all nuclei will break down causing a huge energy. Bomb explosion takes place when this energy is released. Example is the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during world war 3.

What is the difference between Atomic Bomb and Nuclear Bomb?

• Atomic bomb is a type of nuclear bomb.

• Nuclear bombs may depend on nuclear fission or nuclear fusion. Atomic bomb is the type which depends on nuclear fission. The other type is hydrogen bombs.

• Atomic bombs release less energy compared to hydrogen bombs.

• Several atomic bombs are included in the other type of nuclear bombs.

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-atomic-and-vs-nuclear-bomb/

[sundaydriver]

The crash site is secured and the black box recorders are being examined so speculation will end soon, except for the conspiracy thinkers.

[Gunny]

Serious question - why didn't we croak when we dropped the big guys in Japan? Nevermind, decided to actually read myself! LOL

I knew they were both nuclear, but assumed the same but a little different technology from over the years. I assumed the fallout would be similar. I'll have to read more.

---

Nuclear Bomb

Nuclear weapons are destructive weapons, created to release the energy from a nuclear reaction. These reactions can be broadly categorized to two, as fission reactions and fusion reactions. In nuclear weapons, either a fission reaction or combinations of fission and fusion reactions are used. In a fission reaction, a large, unstable nucleus is split into smaller stable nuclei and, in the process, energy is released. In a fusion reaction, two types of nuclei are combined together, releasing energy. Atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb are two types of nuclear bombs, which accommodate energy released from above reactions, to cause explosions.

The atomic bomb depends on the fission reactions. Hydrogen bombs are more complex than atomic bombs. Hydrogen bomb is also known as a thermonuclear weapon. In the fusion reaction, two hydrogen isotopes, which are deuterium and tritium, fuse to form helium releasing energy. The centre of the bomb has a very large number of tritium and deuterium. Nuclear fusion is triggered by few atomic bombs placed in the outer cover of the bomb. They start to split and release neutrons and X–ray from Uranium. A chain reaction will start. This energy causes the fusion reaction to occur at high pressures and high temperatures in the core region. When this reaction happens, the released energy causes the uranium in outer regions to undergo fission reactions releasing more energy. Therefore, the core triggers few atomic bomb explosions too.

The first nuclear bomb was exploded over Hiroshima, Japan, on Aug. 6, 1945. After three days from this attack, the second nuclear bomb was placed on Nagasaki. These bombs caused so much death and destruction to both the cities that showed the dangerous nature of nuclear bombs to the world.

Atomic Bomb

Atomic bombs release energy through the nuclear fission reactions. The energy source for this is a large, unstable radioactive element like Uranium or Plutonium. Since the Uranium nucleus is unstable, it breaks down to two smaller atoms emitting neutrons and energy constantly, to become stable. When there is a small amount of atoms, the released energy can’t do much harm. In a bomb, the atoms are tightly packed with the force of the TNT explosion. So when Uranium nucleus decay and emit neutrons, they can’t escape out. They collide with another nucleus, to release more neutrons. Likewise, all the Uranium nuclei will hit by neutrons, and neutrons will be released. This will take place like a chain reaction, and the number of neutrons and energy will be released in an exponentially increasing manner. Because of the dense TNT packing, these released neutrons can’t escape, and with a fraction of a second, all nuclei will break down causing a huge energy. Bomb explosion takes place when this energy is released. Example is the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during world war 3.

What is the difference between Atomic Bomb and Nuclear Bomb?

• Atomic bomb is a type of nuclear bomb.

• Nuclear bombs may depend on nuclear fission or nuclear fusion. Atomic bomb is the type which depends on nuclear fission. The other type is hydrogen bombs.

• Atomic bombs release less energy compared to hydrogen bombs.

• Several atomic bombs are included in the other type of nuclear bombs.

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-atomic-and-vs-nuclear-bomb/

Point is, you'd STILL need a dozen of them to take out the Middle East. Used at one time, the Earth as a whole couldn't take such a hit. The same would be true if we were hit by a large enough asteroid.

[Drummond]

The answer might be to just detonate one large one and let the Middle East contend with fallout problems from it. But ... the one big problem about all this is that Israel is bound to suffer as well.

I think that answers of this sort are best found by using precisely-targeted neutron bombs.

[Gunny]

The answer might be to just detonate one large one and let the Middle East contend with fallout problems from it. But ... the one big problem about all this is that Israel is bound to suffer as well.

I think that answers of this sort are best found by using precisely-targeted neutron bombs.

Nope. I already mentioned the way it would have to be done and it would have to be conventional. What I didn't mention is the political ramification of our using nukes would give argument to other countries wanting them not to mention the fodder it would give the left. They're still whining about WWII.

What we NEED is for someone to go in and do the job right and finish the job. We HAD all of Iraq until Obama got his hands on it.

[jimnyc]

Airline exec says external impact caused Egypt plane crash

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — Only an external impact could have caused a Russian plane to dive into the Egyptian desert, killing all 224 people on board, the airline said Monday, adding to a series of incomplete and confusing statements from investigators that left unclear why the plane broke up in mid-flight.

"We rule out a technical fault of the plane or a pilot error," said Alexander Smirnov, deputy general director of Metrojet. "The only possible explanation could be an external impact on the airplane."

But when pressed for more details about the type of impact and what could have caused it, Smirnov insisted that he was not at liberty to discuss details because the investigation was ongoing. He also did not explain whether he meant something had hit the plane or that some external factor caused the crash.

Viktor Yung, another deputy director general of Metrojet, said the crew did not send a distress call and they did not contact traffic controllers before the crash.

An Egyptian official had previously said the pilot radioed that the plane was experiencing technical problems and he intended to try to land at the nearest airport.

The Airbus A321-200 crashed from 31,000 feet in the Sinai Peninsula just 23 minutes after taking off from the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh en route to St. Petersburg.

http://news.yahoo.com/first-bodies-russian-victims-egypt-crash-brought-home-062834776.html#

[Gunny]

Airline exec says external impact caused Egypt plane crash



ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — Only an external impact could have caused a Russian plane to dive into the Egyptian desert, killing all 224 people on board, the airline said Monday, adding to a series of incomplete and confusing statements from investigators that left unclear why the plane broke up in mid-flight.

"We rule out a technical fault of the plane or a pilot error," said Alexander Smirnov, deputy general director of Metrojet. "The only possible explanation could be an external impact on the airplane."

But when pressed for more details about the type of impact and what could have caused it, Smirnov insisted that he was not at liberty to discuss details because the investigation was ongoing. He also did not explain whether he meant something had hit the plane or that some external factor caused the crash.

Viktor Yung, another deputy director general of Metrojet, said the crew did not send a distress call and they did not contact traffic controllers before the crash.

An Egyptian official had previously said the pilot radioed that the plane was experiencing technical problems and he intended to try to land at the nearest airport.

The Airbus A321-200 crashed from 31,000 feet in the Sinai Peninsula just 23 minutes after taking off from the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh en route to St. Petersburg.

http://news.yahoo.com/first-bodies-russian-victims-egypt-crash-brought-home-062834776.html#

Sounds like somebody's getting ready to make an excuse to do something. If that jet had been shot down by an external source, WE would know it. If Putin wants to use it as an excuse to blow up ISIS, better HIS money than ours.

[jimnyc]

Sounds like somebody's getting ready to make an excuse to do something. If that jet had been shot down by an external source, WE would know it. If Putin wants to use it as an excuse to blow up ISIS, better HIS money than ours.

Agreed. Hope he drops a nuke on them. :)

[Gunny]

Agreed. Hope he drops a nuke on them. :)

I don't. I'd trust him with a nuke like anyone should trust me with a sword. Honestly, it doesn't take nukes. What it takes is the one thing Obama WON'T do because for some reason he thinks he's going to come out of this with a "legacy" ... boots on the ground.

[Black Diamond]

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/700058

Looks like they are going to attempt to prove they did it??

[Gunny]

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/700058

Looks like they are going to attempt to prove they did it??

Good. Let them come up with something. I think they're playing a poor game of Chess and underestimating their enemy. Putin ain't Ob-blah-blah.

[Rat]

I no see or hear intel that ISIS have SAM that can hit target over 30,000 feet.

Instinct tell me this was plane malfunction. Maybe I wrong.

[Gunny]

I no see or hear intel that ISIS have SAM that can hit target over 30,000 feet.

Instinct tell me this was plane malfunction. Maybe I wrong.

Let's cut to the chase here. Either you're a foreign national with crappy translator software, a 1st grader, or someone trying to play something you're not. Pick one.

I'm from South Texas and know how people spoke broken English. I know how Arabs, Japanese and SE Asians speak it. I know how Greeks and Turks speak it. Try again.

[Black Diamond]

Let's cut to the chase here. Either you're a foreign national with crappy translator software, a 1st grader, or someone trying to play something you're not. Pick one.

I'm from South Texas and know how people spoke broken English. I know how Arabs, Japanese and SE Asians speak it. I know how Greeks and Turks speak it. Try again.

Maybe i am too honest and direct, but I would have a bitch of a time keeping up a fake language, if you will for over 100 posts. Especially if I got riled up. :)

[fj1200]

Serious question - why didn't we croak when we dropped the big guys in Japan? Nevermind, decided to actually read myself! LOL

I knew they were both nuclear, but assumed the same but a little different technology from over the years. I assumed the fallout would be similar. I'll have to read more.

An interesting show I saw about the differences between Tsar Bomba in Russian and Castle Bravo in the Bikini Islands. Tsar Bomba had relatively little fallout because it detonated in the atmosphere vs. other types that detonate closer to the ground and irradiate? all the dust that is kicked up and gets spread by the winds.

[Jeff]

Perhaps taking advantage of a horrible tragedy. I say nuke them if they think that's funny. Eventually people will get the hint, ISIS is an infestation that needs to be eradicated.

If we don't take a stand against these cockroaches soon it is going to be to late, they are here, they are coming in everyday and the idiot in charge is protecting and allowing them in. The American people ( liberals especially ) will be jumping out of windows when the sheot hits the fan ( these people are use to living in war torn area's America has become soft ) and y'all better believe it is going to.

[Jeff]

You don't know how big the Middle East is, I take it. Stop looking at Rand McNally. They purposefully made the US look larger and the rest of the world look smaller for propaganda reasons.

The problem is the fallout goes into the stratosphere and creates a cloud cover the sun can't get through. No sun, no life. The radioactive fallout alone would kill most of us. Those that survived would have to live underground for centuries, if capable.

Those cheesy A-bombs we dropped on Japan were NOTHING compared to what we can do now. That's why I think people don't realize what they're doing allowing a bunch of religious zealots willing to die for their "cause" having the power to destroy the world.

I could think of many bad Mother Fers that would ( and have even sent letters to DC offering to ) take care of this issue without nukes. Hell years ago the Hells Angels offered their services ( that was George Christie who made the original offer, when he carried the Olympic torch way back in the day, but these big clubs and small as well, and many other Americans have offered to help ) you let them get in alliance with other clubs and real Americans, and then let the Vets run the show, issue over, go on with life as normal.

[Jeff]

Agreed. Hope he drops a nuke on them. :)

Dam Bro you are a Nuke happy prick aint ya. :laugh: