The Freemasons

[5stringJeff]

Background: a friend told me a story about his friend who joined the Masons. His father, a Pentacostal pastor, gave his son an ultimatum: as long as you're a Mason, we're not speaking to you. Obviously, the son was distraught... long story short, he's out of the Masons and working things out with his dad.

BUT, the reason for my post is that there's obviously a lot of sentiment built up about the Masons. Without digging through a few thousand Google search results, does anyone have any good sites, either pro-Mason or anti-Mason, which are worth reading for someone with little knowledge of the group?

[nevadamedic]

Background: a friend told me a story about his friend who joined the Masons. His father, a Pentacostal pastor, gave his son an ultimatum: as long as you're a Mason, we're not speaking to you. Obviously, the son was distraught... long story short, he's out of the Masons and working things out with his dad.

BUT, the reason for my post is that there's obviously a lot of sentiment built up about the Masons. Without digging through a few thousand Google search results, does anyone have any good sites, either pro-Mason or anti-Mason, which are worth reading for someone with little knowledge of the group?

That's gonna be near impossible to find. I've tried, every male member of my family up until my father was a Member of the Templar Knights, which you have to be a member of the Freemasons for a while to join. I actually have three of their swords. They wouldn't even tell me about their orginization as I was curious about my ancestors.

I did watch a really good documentary either on the History Channel or A&E, I think it was the History channel about teo hours long on the Freemasons, the reason I bring it up is that youo can buy it off the History Channels website. It is really good and informative. If you really interested in the Masons buy that DVD.

Have you seen Nation Treasure? I know it's fictional but it's about the Freemasons and their treasure.

Also Dan Brown's new book is going to be about them as well.

[manu1959]

my dad and his dad and his dad were all masons.....would not tell shit....

[nevadamedic]

my dad and his dad and his dad were all masons.....would not tell shit....

If it's secret and elite it can't be good.

[Psychoblues]

You don't have one thing to worry about as far as the Freemasons are concerned, 5stringer. If you know one (then he is not a secret to you, correct?) ask him for a petition to join a lodge. If found worthy and acceptable your petition will be accepted and you can be a witness to all that I have witnessed insofar as Mason's are concerned. I have fought through this battle on left and right wing boards before.

I leave my blue (some are black books) book (the bible of Blue Lodge activities) on my coffee table for all to see and ask questions about. No secret in that!!!!!!!!!!! Ask for a petition to join!!!! If you can't afford the initiation fees (believe me, we will already know that) your fees will be paid by your recommender or waived altogether if you are indeed found worthy and acceptable.

I was raised a Mason in 1979 and I have never for one moment regretted it!!!!!!!!! I am also a member of the York Rite and a Knight Templar (someone else refered to them as Templar Knights in this thread) and through all of my degrees I have never seen one single thing that is contrary to any American, religious, citizen or personal value that I hold.

If you are indeed curious then I suggest you petition a lodge for membership. You, your family and your friends are all welcome to know about your membership and participation!!!!!!! All that "secret stuff" is about the internal workings of the lodge. You'll get it when you get it. Dig it?

[Abbey Marie]

Male only?

[JohnDoe]

Male only?


I saw the History Channel special and I believe that they do accept women now.

[nevadamedic]

I saw the History Channel special and I believe that they do accept women now.

There goes the neighborhood. :laugh2:

[glockmail]

Background: a friend told me a story about his friend who joined the Masons. His father, a Pentacostal pastor, gave his son an ultimatum: as long as you're a Mason, we're not speaking to you. Obviously, the son was distraught... long story short, he's out of the Masons and working things out with his dad.

BUT, the reason for my post is that there's obviously a lot of sentiment built up about the Masons. Without digging through a few thousand Google search results, does anyone have any good sites, either pro-Mason or anti-Mason, which are worth reading for someone with little knowledge of the group? My step-father-in-law is one. He's a "townie" and member of a lot of groups. He's never spoken about it. We used their hall for our low-budget wedding reception, and even had some Jews at the wedding. I didn't see any bones or skulls when I was in there.

[Abbey Marie]

Background: a friend told me a story about his friend who joined the Masons. His father, a Pentacostal pastor, gave his son an ultimatum: as long as you're a Mason, we're not speaking to you. Obviously, the son was distraught... long story short, he's out of the Masons and working things out with his dad.

BUT, the reason for my post is that there's obviously a lot of sentiment built up about the Masons. Without digging through a few thousand Google search results, does anyone have any good sites, either pro-Mason or anti-Mason, which are worth reading for someone with little knowledge of the group?

I just don't get the whole "we're not speaking to you" thing, unless it is meant to be purely punitive. If the father is worried about his son's soul (my assumption given his Pentecostal beliefs), wouldn't continuing to speak to him be the best thing?

[Hagbard Celine]

Is it like the Jaycees? I see those compass/star symbols on people's cars all the time. Isn't that the masonic symbol? Are these guys the shriners?

[OCA]

You don't have one thing to worry about as far as the Freemasons are concerned, 5stringer. If you know one (then he is not a secret to you, correct?) ask him for a petition to join a lodge. If found worthy and acceptable your petition will be accepted and you can be a witness to all that I have witnessed insofar as Mason's are concerned. I have fought through this battle on left and right wing boards before.

I leave my blue (some are black books) book (the bible of Blue Lodge activities) on my coffee table for all to see and ask questions about. No secret in that!!!!!!!!!!! Ask for a petition to join!!!! If you can't afford the initiation fees (believe me, we will already know that) your fees will be paid by your recommender or waived altogether if you are indeed found worthy and acceptable.

I was raised a Mason in 1979 and I have never for one moment regretted it!!!!!!!!! I am also a member of the York Rite and a Knight Templar (someone else refered to them as Templar Knights in this thread) and through all of my degrees I have never seen one single thing that is contrary to any American, religious, citizen or personal value that I hold.

If you are indeed curious then I suggest you petition a lodge for membership. You, your family and your friends are all welcome to know about your membership and participation!!!!!!! All that "secret stuff" is about the internal workings of the lodge. You'll get it when you get it. Dig it?


Ok updated list:

Decorated Veteran of every war from Spanish War to Desert Storm
Elected politician
Blues musician
Minister of the gospel who knows the New Testament better than most Americans


and now Knight Templar

Does your habitual lying and delusions of grandeur have an end to them?

[Kathianne]

If pb is a member, I think I may join Sage in condemnation.

[nevadamedic]

If pb is a member, I think I may join Sage in condemnation.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Yurt]

You don't have one thing to worry about as far as the Freemasons are concerned, 5stringer. If you know one (then he is not a secret to you, correct?) ask him for a petition to join a lodge. If found worthy and acceptable your petition will be accepted and you can be a witness to all that I have witnessed insofar as Mason's are concerned. I have fought through this battle on left and right wing boards before.

I leave my blue (some are black books) book (the bible of Blue Lodge activities) on my coffee table for all to see and ask questions about. No secret in that!!!!!!!!!!! Ask for a petition to join!!!! If you can't afford the initiation fees (believe me, we will already know that) your fees will be paid by your recommender or waived altogether if you are indeed found worthy and acceptable.

I was raised a Mason in 1979 and I have never for one moment regretted it!!!!!!!!! I am also a member of the York Rite and a Knight Templar (someone else refered to them as Templar Knights in this thread) and through all of my degrees I have never seen one single thing that is contrary to any American, religious, citizen or personal value that I hold.

If you are indeed curious then I suggest you petition a lodge for membership. You, your family and your friends are all welcome to know about your membership and participation!!!!!!! All that "secret stuff" is about the internal workings of the lodge. You'll get it when you get it. Dig it?


Fraud.

Levels.

Internal workings.... LOL. You are degrading it. I will ask about you and I have a feeling my 91 year old uncle will know. :cool:

[nevadamedic]

I just don't get the whole "we're not speaking to you" thing, unless it is meant to be purely punitive. If the father is worried about his son's soul (my assumption given his Pentecostal beliefs), wouldn't continuing to speak to him be the best thing?

Maybe the Davinci Code was accurate when the talked about the Knights Templar and the Masons. :)

[glockmail]

Is it like the Jaycees? .... Exactly like the Jaycees. Except they substitute soda pop for beer in the converted vending machines.

[Psychoblues]

Male only?

Unfortunately, Abbey, the blue lodges, the York Rite and Scottish Rite lodges confine themselves to male only participation. On the other hand, the Order of the Eastern Star and Rainbow Girls are also part of the Masonic organization and I with all of my Masonic brethren strongly encourage you to check them out!!!!!! You will not regret any participation within those organizations!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would also recommend the Demolay for any minor males that you would also like to see participating in the Masonic orders.

Like you, I abhor sexism and I have fought for all my years in Masonry to abolish it as it is only a holdover from unenlightened times and a more unenlightened population. You will also discover, if you choose to look, that particular Masonic Lodges are racist and that is also a problem with me.

Nonetheless I consider the organizations sound on their principles, valuable within their endeavors and all the teachings in the Masonic Lodges and Orders serve to be enlightening and serve even more for the betterment of yourself and society in general. I guess it all depends just what you might be in search of?

[Psychoblues]

Fuck you, oca.





Ok updated list:

Decorated Veteran of every war from "Spanish" Nope - "Viet Nam" (changed by Psychoblues) War to Desert Storm, I am.
Elected politician. I am.
Blues musician. I am.
Minister of the gospel who knows the New Testament better than most Americans. I was.


and now Knight Templar..all true despite oca's pitiful cries of disbelief..

Does your habitual lying and delusions of grandeur have an end to them? Your habits are not mine, oca. PSYCHOBLUES

I am honest about my life and you continue to threaten and lie to get your point? I don't need your shit. You are one sick human being.

[OCA]

I am honest about my life point?

About as honest as old tricky Dick Nixon.

[Abbey Marie]

Unfortunately, Abbey, the blue lodges, the York Rite and Scottish Rite lodges confine themselves to male only participation. On the other hand, the Order of the Eastern Star and Rainbow Girls are also part of the Masonic organization and I with all of my Masonic brethren strongly encourage you to check them out!!!!!! You will not regret any participation within those organizations!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would also recommend the Demolay for any minor males that you would also like to see participating in the Masonic orders.

Like you, I abhor sexism and I have fought for all my years in Masonry to abolish it as it is only a holdover from unenlightened times and a more unenlightened population. You will also discover, if you choose to look, that particular Masonic Lodges are racist and that is also a problem with me.

Nonetheless I consider the organizations sound on their principles, valuable within their endeavors and all the teachings in the Masonic Lodges and Orders serve to be enlightening and serve even more for the betterment of yourself and society in general. I guess it all depends just what you might be in search of?

Thanks for the information, Psycho. :)

[Joan]

I don't remember too much about this, but I do know that quite a few members of my family were freemasons. I did find it strange that at my uncle's funeral, when the masons arrived, we were all escorted to another room so that we couldn't watch their ritual. What I did notice when we returned was a sheepskin they had laid on his chest. And I do believe they are associated with the Eastern Star, as my grandmother's sister was a past grand mistress. I think most of their doings are rather secretive, but nothing evil.

[TheSage]

Albert Pike, the godfather of american Masonry, was also the main organizer of the Klu Klux Klan.

[TheSage]

Check it out.



http://freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.html
Pike has been termed by a number of well known Masonic authors as the Plato of Freemasonry, and even the Masonic Pope!

Freemasonry, that is to say Organized Freemasonry practices the big lie technique. More to the point organized Freemasonry has perfected the big lie technique. They term this doublespeak ' diverting the discourse'. In regard to Confederate general, slaver, British spy, convicted Confederate war criminal, Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33rd Degree, Ku Klux Klan ritual designer, Ku Klux Klan Chief Judicial Officer and Arkansas Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon it is necessary to add some superlatives on to the term 'divert the discourse', because that opaque term doesn't nearly come close to describing the effort and tactics it has and is employing to cover-up, obscure, deflect, and divert about Pike's leading roll in the KKK's creation.

[nevadamedic]

I don't remember too much about this, but I do know that quite a few members of my family were freemasons. I did find it strange that at my uncle's funeral, when the masons arrived, we were all escorted to another room so that we couldn't watch their ritual. What I did notice when we returned was a sheepskin they had laid on his chest. And I do believe they are associated with the Eastern Star, as my grandmother's sister was a past grand mistress. I think most of their doings are rather secretive, but nothing evil.

Eastern Star?

[Joan]

Yes, if my memory serves me correctly the Eastern Star was the female equivalent of the masons.

[Psychoblues]

I don't think "equivalent" is the word that I would describe the Order of the Eastern Star, Joan, but for this conversation it is close enough. I am shocked that you tell me about your uncle's Masonic funeral and how you were "escorted out". I have attended and participated in several Masonic Funerals and I can tell you that I have never seen such an abuse. In fact, most ritual leaders and participants go to great extremes to explain the activities and purposes so as not to freak anyone out as you imply was done in your experience.

You remember the sheepskin correctly. Actually it was an unsoiled lambskin apron, but that's not significant at this point. Particular lodges and states perform this ritual differently. Some spread the apron out, some simply place the apron in the casket and some others do other things that I have heard about but have never personally witnessed. In any event, the apron is the first tool of the Masonic workman and it is generally requested that an unsoiled apron, preferably the one that was given to him on the day he was raised a Master Mason, accompany the Mason into the hereafter.





Yes, if my memory serves me correctly the Eastern Star was the female equivalent of the masons.

I hope I have been some help to you and not "freaked you out" as I alluded earlier!!!!!!!!! If you have other questions or concerns I will be very happy to share anything that I can.

[Psychoblues]

This may please some of you nutheads. This has lain here for several days and not a peep of the naysayers. Are you sure this should be in the "Conspiracy" forum? I think the FreeMasons speak for themselves and the jerkoffs just jerkoff, if you know what I mean?

[No1tovote4]

Background: a friend told me a story about his friend who joined the Masons. His father, a Pentacostal pastor, gave his son an ultimatum: as long as you're a Mason, we're not speaking to you. Obviously, the son was distraught... long story short, he's out of the Masons and working things out with his dad.

BUT, the reason for my post is that there's obviously a lot of sentiment built up about the Masons. Without digging through a few thousand Google search results, does anyone have any good sites, either pro-Mason or anti-Mason, which are worth reading for someone with little knowledge of the group?

I can answer your questions if you wish. There is much speculation written as 'truth' on many conspiracy sites.

[No1tovote4]

my dad and his dad and his dad were all masons.....would not tell shit....

There really isn't much to tell. Seriously. Membership is not "hidden" as in a secret organization, there are some handshakes, that are not very secret. In fact, there are articles from the 1700s, when Freemasonry was beginning as it is known today, that talk about the "secrets that are not secrets". Even then the secrets were easy to discern.

The Fraternity is built on two things, education and charity. They support education when they can and they give charity all the time. In fact, the Shriners' Burn Hospitals are one of the largest charity organizations ever. Nobody gets a bill, it is paid for by the Shriners. They are all Freemasons, in order to become a Shriner you must first be a Freemason.

[No1tovote4]

You don't have one thing to worry about as far as the Freemasons are concerned, 5stringer. If you know one (then he is not a secret to you, correct?) ask him for a petition to join a lodge. If found worthy and acceptable your petition will be accepted and you can be a witness to all that I have witnessed insofar as Mason's are concerned. I have fought through this battle on left and right wing boards before.

I leave my blue (some are black books) book (the bible of Blue Lodge activities) on my coffee table for all to see and ask questions about. No secret in that!!!!!!!!!!! Ask for a petition to join!!!! If you can't afford the initiation fees (believe me, we will already know that) your fees will be paid by your recommender or waived altogether if you are indeed found worthy and acceptable.

I was raised a Mason in 1979 and I have never for one moment regretted it!!!!!!!!! I am also a member of the York Rite and a Knight Templar (someone else refered to them as Templar Knights in this thread) and through all of my degrees I have never seen one single thing that is contrary to any American, religious, citizen or personal value that I hold.

If you are indeed curious then I suggest you petition a lodge for membership. You, your family and your friends are all welcome to know about your membership and participation!!!!!!! All that "secret stuff" is about the internal workings of the lodge. You'll get it when you get it. Dig it?

I was master of my Lodge in the year 2005 and was raised in 1997.

[No1tovote4]

I saw the History Channel special and I believe that they do accept women now.

There are lodges that are both sexes, but they are not from the official lines from either Scotland or York. They would, in almost all cases, be called "clandestine" masons.

[No1tovote4]

Eastern Star?

The Eastern Star is an organization within the Masonic family that is run by a Worthy Matron and allows both men and women to join.

[No1tovote4]

I don't remember too much about this, but I do know that quite a few members of my family were freemasons. I did find it strange that at my uncle's funeral, when the masons arrived, we were all escorted to another room so that we couldn't watch their ritual. What I did notice when we returned was a sheepskin they had laid on his chest. And I do believe they are associated with the Eastern Star, as my grandmother's sister was a past grand mistress. I think most of their doings are rather secretive, but nothing evil.

As Master of the lodge I performed 23 Masonic funerals, we never once escorted anybody away from a funeral, we were there for those people.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. But a few years back I was sifting through an estate sale.
2. And what I came across was a pure white lamb skin, aprox. 12" x 12", with a red velvet strap on two corners, with a single drop of blood placed in the center of one side.
3. I wonder why the Mason didn't get to have this interred with him?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[nevadamedic]

As Master of the lodge I performed 23 Masonic funerals, we never once escorted anybody away from a funeral, we were there for those people.

DOn't you guys get banished or killed for telling your secrets?

[No1tovote4]

Sorry bout that,

1. But a few years back I was sifting through an estate sale.
2. And what I came across was a pure white lamb skin, aprox. 12" x 12", with a red velvet strap on two corners, with a single drop of blood placed in the center of one side.
3. I wonder why the Mason didn't get to have this interred with him?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I have no idea what the blood was about, there is nothing in any ceremony that I know of that adds blood to the lambskin. In fact, allegorically, you are to keep it spotless and let no act of yours mar its surface, it is a symbol of innocence.

Anyway, often those doing the funeral will bring along a lambskin apron that will be interred with them. Often the family likes to keep little things like that.

[No1tovote4]

DOn't you guys get banished or killed for telling your secrets?

The obligations have allegorical punishments that describe some specific aspects of masonic 'history' (also allegorical). Though they sound horrific, they aren't there to be actual. Had they been many men would have been killed in this manner in the past, if any have it has been found to be those attempting to blame freemasonry that were not freemasons in almost every case.

However, I wouldn't tell the secrets. There are very few of them indeed. Some handshakes you are supposed to use to identify each other and some parts of the ceremonies, the description of which are also supposed to inform you whether the person is a freemason.

Of course, you can read articles from the 1700s laughing about the "secrets" of freemasonry, as they had already been 'discovered' by others.

I will answer honestly about the activities of freemasonry though.

[Hagbard Celine]

I see the masonic square and compass everywhere I go on people's cars. Are these the guys who wear red shriner hats and ask for money at intersections? Is being in the masons similar to being in the rotary club or something like that? What is it?

[glockmail]

It's a secret cult that controls the world by manipulation of humans through nano-electronic technology. When you're stopped at an intesection and you hand them a dollar, they have a special probe that injects a transponder-receiver under your skin. It controls your thoughts and emotions through hormone type chemicals, similar in strength to the sexual response of men in their late teens and 20's. If you don't pay the buck they leave a skin-boring nomad molecule on your door handle, so the next time you open your car door it attaches to your skin and self-borrows in. This nomad device is encoded with the information that YOU HAVE BEEN A CHEAPO, and you are remotely manipulated accordingly.

I've heard some of the Mason jokesters have had a CHEAPO strip down naked, walk into a gay bar, stand on the bar and wank in the bartender's face.

:tinfoil:

[Hagbard Celine]

It's a secret cult that controls the world by manipulation of humans through nano-electronic technology. When you're stopped at an intesection and you hand them a dollar, they have a special probe that injects a transponder-receiver under your skin. It controls your thoughts and emotions through hormone type chemicals, similar in strength to the sexual response of men in their late teens and 20's. If you don't pay the buck they leave a skin-boring nomad molecule on your door handle, so the next time you open your car door it attaches to your skin and self-borrows in. This nomad device is encoded with the information that YOU HAVE BEEN A CHEAPO, and you are remotely manipulated accordingly.

I've heard some of the Mason jokesters have had a CHEAPO strip down naked, walk into a gay bar, stand on the bar and wank in the bartender's face.

:tinfoil:
What just happended? :uhoh:

[Joan]

It's a secret cult that controls the world by manipulation of humans through nano-electronic technology. When you're stopped at an intesection and you hand them a dollar, they have a special probe that injects a transponder-receiver under your skin. It controls your thoughts and emotions through hormone type chemicals, similar in strength to the sexual response of men in their late teens and 20's. If you don't pay the buck they leave a skin-boring nomad molecule on your door handle, so the next time you open your car door it attaches to your skin and self-borrows in. This nomad device is encoded with the information that YOU HAVE BEEN A CHEAPO, and you are remotely manipulated accordingly.

I've heard some of the Mason jokesters have had a CHEAPO strip down naked, walk into a gay bar, stand on the bar and wank in the bartender's face

I had quite a few relatives who were freemasons, and I can vouch for the fact the they were all fine upstanding citizens! As for my uncle's funeral, this was way back in the '50's so perhaps things have changed since then. We were not escorted from the funeral, but just o another room, we could hear what was being said, but not see anything.

And as I also said, my great aunt who lived to 102 said one of her proudest moments was when she was elected Grand Matron of the Eastern Star.

[glockmail]

I had quite a few relatives who were freemasons, and I can vouch for the fact the they were all fine upstanding citizens! As for my uncle's funeral, this was way back in the '50's so perhaps things have changed since then. We were not escorted from the funeral, but just o another room, we could hear what was being said, but not see anything.

And as I also said, my great aunt who lived to 102 said one of her proudest moments was when she was elected Grand Matron of the Eastern Star.


That was before nano-technology. Back then they use to use two tin cans and a long length of fish line, stretched tight.

[nevadamedic]

The obligations have allegorical punishments that describe some specific aspects of masonic 'history' (also allegorical). Though they sound horrific, they aren't there to be actual. Had they been many men would have been killed in this manner in the past, if any have it has been found to be those attempting to blame freemasonry that were not freemasons in almost every case.

However, I wouldn't tell the secrets. There are very few of them indeed. Some handshakes you are supposed to use to identify each other and some parts of the ceremonies, the description of which are also supposed to inform you whether the person is a freemason.

Of course, you can read articles from the 1700s laughing about the "secrets" of freemasonry, as they had already been 'discovered' by others.

I will answer honestly about the activities of freemasonry though.

What about all the conspiracy theroies? I watched a things on the Biography channel and it brought out some good points. Especially between the Masons and the Templar's being you have to be a Mason for a certain period of time before you can become a Templar. Those guys are even more secretive.

[No1tovote4]

I see the masonic square and compass everywhere I go on people's cars. Are these the guys who wear red shriner hats and ask for money at intersections? Is being in the masons similar to being in the rotary club or something like that? What is it?

It is a fraternity that does charity. Those guys with the stickers on their cars are freemasons.

I wouldn't trust people with shriner's hats on corners, the shriners rarely collect in any such manner. People can buy funny hats without becoming a shriner.

[No1tovote4]

What about all the conspiracy theroies? I watched a things on the Biography channel and it brought out some good points. Especially between the Masons and the Templar's being you have to be a Mason for a certain period of time before you can become a Templar. Those guys are even more secretive.

The Templars are an appelate body, they created a requirement that you be a Master Mason in good standing in order to belong to them. Therefore "a certain period of time" is very different in different areas. That particular appelate body stresses Christianity. There is not specific time limit, only that you be a Master Mason, and the reason for that is because only then are you charged yearly dues and can be recorded as a mason in good standing based on that. This stresses that it is the Blue Lodge (only 3 degrees) that constitute Freemasonry, if you give up that all appelate bodies will reject your membership as you are no longer a Freemason.

[No1tovote4]

It's a secret cult that controls the world by manipulation of humans through nano-electronic technology. When you're stopped at an intesection and you hand them a dollar, they have a special probe that injects a transponder-receiver under your skin. It controls your thoughts and emotions through hormone type chemicals, similar in strength to the sexual response of men in their late teens and 20's. If you don't pay the buck they leave a skin-boring nomad molecule on your door handle, so the next time you open your car door it attaches to your skin and self-borrows in. This nomad device is encoded with the information that YOU HAVE BEEN A CHEAPO, and you are remotely manipulated accordingly.

I've heard some of the Mason jokesters have had a CHEAPO strip down naked, walk into a gay bar, stand on the bar and wank in the bartender's face.

:tinfoil:


LOL. Wow. 'nuff said. Some people will believe anything so long as it makes others appear "evil".

This one is hilarious. Good job Glockster... I need my foil hat too! :tinfoil:

[Psychoblues]

Thanks, No1tovote4.



It is a fraternity that does charity. Those guys with the stickers on their cars are freemasons.

I wouldn't trust people with shriner's hats on corners, the shriners rarely collect in any such manner. People can buy funny hats without becoming a shriner.

The Shriners are certainly all Masons but their organization has nothing to do with Masonry. But, I appreciate their charity and well-meaning endeavors all the same!!!!!!!!!! This conversation begs plenty of questions and I am positive that you or I can answer them competently. Que Sera Sera, my brother.

[TheSage]

Thanks, No1tovote4.




The Shriners are certainly all Masons but their organization has nothing to do with Masonry. But, I appreciate their charity and well-meaning endeavors all the same!!!!!!!!!! This conversation begs plenty of questions and I am positive that you or I can answer them competently. Que Sera Sera, my brother.


Oh make me puke. Keep your inbred evil bullshit under wraps, it's embarrassing for the board!

[glockmail]

Oh make me puke. Keep your inbred evil bullshit under wraps, it's embarrassing for the board! Where's the love, man? :laugh2:

[Psychoblues]

There is nothing like the fear of freemasons. The anti-masons are a cult on their own. Go ahead and puke, but keep your inbreeding amongst yourselves. Have you a single thing to dispute anything I have said here?

[glockmail]

There is nothing like the fear of freemasons. The anti-masons are a cult on their own. Go ahead and puke, but keep your inbreeding amongst yourselves. Have you a single thing to dispute anything I have said here?
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[Psychoblues]

I've waited 8 days for any response that might imdemnify your ignorance. Apparantly none is forthcoming. Enjoy your crowd.

[Psychoblues]

It's in his post.





Where's the love, man? :laugh2:

Can you dig it, man? :laugh2:

[KSigMason]

Background: a friend told me a story about his friend who joined the Masons. His father, a Pentacostal pastor, gave his son an ultimatum: as long as you're a Mason, we're not speaking to you. Obviously, the son was distraught... long story short, he's out of the Masons and working things out with his dad.
That's sad to hear and shameful of his father. Zealots usually do fear the Freemasons.

I am fairly knowledgeable of the Fraternity so if anyone has questions I am more than willing to answer them. Anything is open. There is nothing I haven't heard before. So have at it.


I did watch a really good documentary either on the History Channel or A&E, I think it was the History channel about teo hours long on the Freemasons, the reason I bring it up is that youo can buy it off the History Channels website. It is really good and informative. If you really interested in the Masons buy that DVD.
I love the History Channel. They do some great research.


I saw the History Channel special and I believe that they do accept women now.
There are some Lodges that allow women, but many Grand Lodges do not accept them so they are not able to attend many Lodges other than there own.


Is it like the Jaycees? I see those compass/star symbols on people's cars all the time. Isn't that the masonic symbol? Are these guys the shriners?
For the Blue Lodge (or Craft Masonry) there is the Square and Compass. Order of the Eastern Star hsa the Star. Scottish Rite usually uses the double-headed Eagle. York Rite usually has a symbol that has Blue Lodge, Royal Arch, Cryptic Mason, and Chivalric Masonry on it. Shriner's have their famous symbol, hard to describe, but an Egyptian-like head dress suspended on a curved sword.


Maybe the Davinci Code was accurate when the talked about the Knights Templar and the Masons. :)
Regardless of what anyone says, there is no known connection between the Crusading Templars and today's Freemasonry. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence, but reasonable doubt still exists - looking at it from a legal POV.


Ok updated list:

Decorated Veteran of every war from Spanish War to Desert Storm
Elected politician
Blues musician
Minister of the gospel who knows the New Testament better than most Americans

and now Knight Templar

Does your habitual lying and delusions of grandeur have an end to them?
Wow, why the hostility? Do you have any proof that he is not in the York Rite, which the last order of it is "The Order of the Temple" commonly known as the Knights Templar. See the national website: Grand Encampment of Knights Templar USA (http://www.knightstemplar.org/). I am a member, or Sir Knight in it as well.


Check it out.
Anyone who uses Kevin McNeil-Smith's site FreemasonryWatch has no credibility...just like the site. He is a hatemongerer and knows nothing of the true meaning of Freemasonry. He is a sick demented person.


As Master of the lodge I performed 23 Masonic funerals, we never once escorted anybody away from a funeral, we were there for those people.
Wow, that's sad to hear. While it is a great honor to do it, I am not looking forward to losing Brother's and friends.


What just happended? :uhoh:
Someone stopped taking their crazy pills

[moon]

There are some Lodges that allow women, but many Grand Lodges do not accept them so they are not able to attend many Lodges other than there own.

And what's your personal take on this , apparent, misogyny ?

[Abbey Marie]

And what's your personal take on this , apparent, misogyny ?


Oh my this is just too rich coming from a Muslim. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read it. How's that separate sex worhip working for you, btw?

I left out the most disturbing images of Muslim beatings and killings of women, as they make me sick to my stomach. Apparently, they are ok for you, though.

http://isaacschrodinger.typepad.com/isaacschrodinger/images/2007/05/25/girl_brutally_beaten.jpg
http://http://blog.thecurseof1920.com/wp-content/burqa.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_02/muslimDM1511_468x310.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f366/dirtydigital/ISLAM-OPPRESS-WOMEN.gif

[Abbey Marie]

One more that wouldn't fit:

http://blog.thecurseof1920.com/wp-content/burqa.jpg

[moon]

I don't eat red herring, particularly when the waitress is of dubious credentials. I repeat;


And what's your personal take on this , apparent, misogyny ?

[Abbey Marie]

I don't eat red herring, particularly when the waitress is of dubious credentials. I repeat;

I would consel our new member not to answer his question, until he answers the many questions that have been put to him in several threads.

[KSigMason]

I would consel our new member not to answer his question, until he answers the many questions that have been put to him in several threads.
I will wait for the time to post my answer.

[moon]

There's a good boy.

By Abbey's reckoning though it's just dandy for everybody here to rank you a misogynist on account of your silence. I don't do that juvenile and presumptive horseshit myself though, so I'll ask you again, politely. What's your personal take on it ?

[KSigMason]

There's a good boy.
It's called respect. Being the new guy, I'm paying it someone, who from the looks of it, has earned it.


By Abbey's reckoning though it's just dandy for everybody here to rank you a misogynist on account of your silence.
People will think what they think. I'll post my response in a day or two. That'll give you time to answer all those questions you seem to be putting off.

[moon]

Duplicate. Hick server or bottleneck.

[moon]

I don't dodge questions, that's just a ploy by the New Klan to smokescreen their own inabilities to present anything other than, graffiti, parroting and falsehoods. I also avoid morons of the numbvet species. I'm training them in civility.

[Abbey Marie]

There's a good boy.

By Abbey's reckoning though it's just dandy for everybody here to rank you a misogynist on account of your silence. I don't do that juvenile and presumptive horseshit myself though, so I'll ask you again, politely. What's your personal take on it ?

On the contrary, I would never presume to know our newest member's thoughts on such flimsy evidence. And I'm willing to bet that, like everyone on this board except you, he would be willing to answer me if I did question him. You, however, are a proven johnny-two-note in your unending hatred of Jews and our President, who has had weeks to answer some simple questions. Why not at least be man enough to admit your unmanly extremist views on terrorism, rape and honor killings?

[moon]

I have absolutely nothing against jews per se. Where is your evidence ? Oh right, you are 'Abbey' , New Klanist, so none is required.

I'll tell you again, so brace yourself. I'm against Zionism.

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Jews united against Zionism

I shouldn't need to have to tell you again.

[avatar4321]

If it's secret and elite it can't be good.

I dont follow that logic

[Yurt]

I don't dodge questions, that's just a ploy by the New Klan to smokescreen their own inabilities to present anything other than, graffiti, parroting and falsehoods. I also avoid morons of the numbvet species. I'm training them in civility.

you avoid them but you are training them :poke:

mr. dodgeball question king

[KSigMason]

MASONS ARE SATANISTS

Albert Pike, a Confederate General, author, and well-known Freemason scribed the famous Masonic book, "Morals and Dogma" which predominately deals with the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. Inside this book the following passage is cited:


Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!
For semantics sake, many people don't realize that Biblical scholars still argue over the fact that Lucifer may not be Satan since the only reference to Lucifer is in Isaiah:


Isaiah 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Also, in mythology Lucifer means light bringer which was the name of the morning star, commonly known as the planet Venus in Roman lore. The morning star preceded the sun (light) of the day.

Also, here is quite an interesting verse:


Revelation 22:16 - I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Like I said in "The Freemasons" I don't mind talking about controversial topics.

[moon]

I don't mind talking about controversial topics.

OK then, any announcements on misogyny yet, KsigMason ?

[KSigMason]

Well, I'm posting this because I did want to answer, but you must answer my question too.


And what's your personal take on this , apparent, misogyny ?

We are a private Fraternity and if we are to be male only then okay; it's a set tradition that hinders no one from their daily life. It's tradition that really isn't sexist; chivalry is really big in the Masons. There is the OES.

Plus lets look at FRATERNITY.

Definition: derived from the Latin word "fraternus" meaning "brother"

1. The state or quality of being fraternal or brotherly; brotherhood.

2. A body of men associated for their common interest, business, or pleasure; a company; a brotherhood; a society; in the Roman Catholic Chucrch, an association for special religious purposes, for relieving the sick and destitute, etc.

What is your opinion of sororities? Are they not denying a man entrance to their group? I know I'd love to be a part of a sorority. :laugh2:

[moon]

Seems to me that them ol' masons are frightened of women. The Freemasons also seems a prime target , modern women being curious and all. Best of luck keeping them out.

I don't have any desire to join a sisterhood myself, but I wouldn't stand in the way of guys that do.

[Nukeman]

Seems to me that them ol' masons are frightened of women. The Freemasons also seems a prime target , modern women being curious and all. Best of luck keeping them out.

I don't have any desire to join a sisterhood myself, but I wouldn't stand in the way of guys that do.
So your saying that "PRIVATE" citizens/groups have NO freedom to dictate for themselves what they can and can not do.

I for one have absolutely NO problem with organizations that limit their own membership based on their own criteria. If you want to have a group of curly haired big nosed lunatics that is your prerogative. If you want to have a mens only club that is YOUR choice.

Just because a group decides to admit only men doe not mean they are afraid of women. It only means they want to get together and discuss things that they feel are maybe inappropriate in mixed company.

You go right ahead and project your own feeling toward women on these groups if you like, but NOT EVERYONE fell as you do moon!!

[KSigMason]

Seems to me that them ol' masons are frightened of women.
Not at all. Exclusiveness isn't always fear. We still believe in chivalry.


The Freemasons also seems a prime target , modern women being curious and all. Best of luck keeping them out.
They can join clandestine, or rogue, Lodges all they want. A regular Lodge on the other hand will keep them out.


I don't have any desire to join a sisterhood myself, but I wouldn't stand in the way of guys that do.
It was a joke, there are some cute sorority girls. You still didn't answer my question. What is your view on sororities?

[moon]

Nukeman;

So your saying that "PRIVATE" citizens/groups have NO freedom to dictate for themselves what they can and can not do.

You left out the question mark.

mason;

It was a joke, there are some cute sorority girls. You still didn't answer my question. What is your view on sororities?

Yes, so was my reply.

I don't really have one. My interest was only in checking your views on misogyny . I'm satisfied that you ain't a New Klansman or a sexist freak.

[DragonStryk72]

I just don't get the whole "we're not speaking to you" thing, unless it is meant to be purely punitive. If the father is worried about his son's soul (my assumption given his Pentecostal beliefs), wouldn't continuing to speak to him be the best thing?

It would, but for some reason I've never fully understood, there's a certain form of Christians that seem to forget that they are supposed to reach out even more so to those whose souls are in jeopardy, or who have strayed into a bad path. The father likely believed, correctly it would seem, that it would curtail his son from going in what he believed to be a bad direction. I could never do that to my son, or hell, anyone really, but I can understand the thought process that led there.

Living in Virginia, there are several Masonic Temples about the place, and I've been curious about them for a long time myself, especially since I began my studies of our founding fathers, given their extensive connections to the freemasons. Having seen so many temples, I've also seen a wide diversity of people wearing the lapel pins or the tie tacks around here, so it can't be that exclusive.

[DragonStryk72]

No group that old is going to be without its holdovers from the old days, when those views were more acceptable. Let's not forget that many of the rules that sexist are in fact also held up by women, just as male stereotypes are played out by many men.

Words mean stuff, though, and it isn't a fraternity if it's mixed gender, just as it isn't a sorority if it's mixed gender. As to whether it is respectful of women or not, I've seen several women with the lapel pin around here, so I don't think it's a staunch opposition, just a matter of tradition that will work itself out over time.

Okay, now for KSigMason, I apologize but you said the wrong words to me when you said you'd answer any questions:

1. What is the main purpose of the Masons?

2. When, and how were the Masons founded?

3. How do you go about joining, or inquiring into the Masons?

4. What organizations do the Masons support?

5. What is the community of the Masons like?

Um, I'll stop there for now, since I don't want to overload you for the moment. I'll have more questions for answering later.

[No1tovote4]

And what's your personal take on this , apparent, misogyny ?
What is your take on the apparent "misogyny" of Fraternities at colleges that do not allow women?

Change comes to these things slowly, but it comes.

[No1tovote4]

Seems to me that them ol' masons are frightened of women. The Freemasons also seems a prime target , modern women being curious and all. Best of luck keeping them out.

I don't have any desire to join a sisterhood myself, but I wouldn't stand in the way of guys that do.
Many of the older guys reject changes. It isn't that they think women are lesser creatures or anything, but "tradition" is a big thing in Freemasonry. It takes a while to change tradition.

It will come, in time. Many of the younger members already speak of the fact that they think it, "is time to allow women as members."

[moon]

What is your take on the apparent "misogyny" of Fraternities at colleges that do not allow women?

Change comes to these things slowly, but it comes.


I refer you to post #76.

[No1tovote4]

No group that old is going to be without its holdovers from the old days, when those views were more acceptable. Let's not forget that many of the rules that sexist are in fact also held up by women, just as male stereotypes are played out by many men.

Words mean stuff, though, and it isn't a fraternity if it's mixed gender, just as it isn't a sorority if it's mixed gender. As to whether it is respectful of women or not, I've seen several women with the lapel pin around here, so I don't think it's a staunch opposition, just a matter of tradition that will work itself out over time.

Okay, now for KSigMason, I apologize but you said the wrong words to me when you said you'd answer any questions:

1. What is the main purpose of the Masons?


The main purpose of the Freemasons would be differently related by different people.

The first lesson you are taught in Freemasonry is that of Charity, many would say that is the main purpose of Freemasonry. Personally I would say it was, "To make good men better."



2. When, and how were the Masons founded?

Freemasons came from "The Masons" which was a guild that passed on information to initiates in order to continue the stone-working trade. It was a guild like many other, specialized like most others. The guild worked to ensure that none of its members would go hungry and stressed charity to all mankind among it's teachings even then. Using tools that they used in everyday work they tried to make them impress on the mind, to constantly remind them, what they believed to be "wise and serious truths". Their duty to whichever God they believed in, that of industry and hard work, charity, etc.

When Universities became a norm and people were learning Geometry in all its phases (you know Trig, etc) it became necessary to make changes, they decided to begin allowing in tradesmen so that the Guild would survive. However upon changing it to allow the tradesmen and others to enter it, it changed from being a guild to a Fraternity. Many of the same "truths" are passed on and impressed upon the minds (as reminders) of the new members using the same tools. Of course they no longer teach stone working.



3. How do you go about joining, or inquiring into the Masons?


To be one, ask one. You must ask to become a Freemason, many lodges are strict on this tradition and will not allow their members to ask a friend to become one.



4. What organizations do the Masons support?

Public schools, hospitals around the world that provide free care (Shriners are all Freemasons), and many other charities, too many to list here.



5. What is the community of the Masons like?


It depends in which aspect, meetings tend to go into the boring. But I have met some good friends that I otherwise would never have known otherwise. Once I even spoke with Bob Dole (who happened to be filming a commercial nearby to our lodge).



Um, I'll stop there for now, since I don't want to overload you for the moment. I'll have more questions for answering later.

Well, I did my best to answer for him.

[avatar4321]

Exactly what is wrong with having all male or all female groups?

Men and women are different. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having groups to support each.

[KSigMason]

Okay, now for KSigMason, I apologize but you said the wrong words to me when you said you'd answer any questions:

1. What is the main purpose of the Masons?
The Freemasons make good men better, but we cannot make bad men good. We instill leadership, morals, and values using tools of operative Masons today in a philosophical way. Freemasonry is "a peculiar system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols"

2. When, and how were the Masons founded?
The Freemasons that we see today was founded when Grand Lodge of England formed in 1717 which are said to have formed from medieval stone-guilds. The original Grand Lodges asked the Grand Lodge of England to form and then became their own independent body. Our lore says the Freemasons go back to the building of King Solomon's Temple, but in all honesty we cannot say that for sure. We cannot even say if there is a Knights Templar and Masonic.

3. How do you go about joining, or inquiring into the Masons?
You just did. To be one, ask one. Look up your State's Grand Lodge and find the local Loge's meeting time and go down there a little earlier than the time and just ask. The members should be very accommodating

4. What organizations do the Masons support?
We have our own children organizations that do a lot to support. Depending on the body there are certain charities we have. In the Blue Lodge, it's really up to the independent Grand Lodge or local Lodge to do their own thing. My Lodge does college scholarships, we also do philanthropy (soup kitchens, highway clean-up, blood drive, etc). In the York Rite the big charity is the Knights Templar Eye Foundation. The Scottish Rite has a Schizophrenia charity. The Shriners have their children's hospital.

5. What is the community of the Masons like?
From what I've seen (not just in my Lodge elsewhere) that within you are very close with the Lodge. The wives are still very involved with the Lodge even though they cannot attend. We help each other out in anyway we can (ie A brother got in an horrible accident, I took the next day off, and helped the wife; the Lodge helped pay one of the bills they needed help with). You get even closer and meet more Brothers when you join the other bodies (Shriners, Scottish, York Rites, or OES). It's different from state to state, but even in Idaho we are diverse on jobs, race, religion, but we are all good friends. My Lodge we just had a major shift in age of officers; now the average age of the officers is 35.

Um, I'll stop there for now, since I don't want to overload you for the moment. I'll have more questions for answering later.
I hope I answered your question, if not let me know. Keep firing them at me if you have them.

[moon]

Do you wear antlers and suspenders on your socks ?

[Psychoblues]

No


Do you wear antlers and suspenders on your socks ?

Psychoblues

[moon]

Wanna buy some ?

[avatar4321]

Wanna buy some ?

dude, your sex life is your own business. Leave the rest of us out of it.

[KSigMason]

Do you wear antlers and suspenders on your socks ?
LMAO! No. I wear the Master's apron, jewel, and a top hat.

[moon]

Sounds a rage for parties. You dudes toke or thing ?

[Psychoblues]

Are you attempting a parody or just running your mouth out of boredom, moondog?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?



Sounds a rage for parties. You dudes toke or thing ?

Hang on to your day gig, 'lil one!!!!!!!!!!!!

:beer::cheers2::beer:

Psychoblues

[MtnBiker]

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